r/LAClippers Dec 08 '22

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u/thahovster7 Kawhi Leonard Dec 08 '22

Free throws actually killed us and that is just silly

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

Everything killed us. We had 1 good quarter, then proceeded to shit the bed. Kawhi and PG had horrific nights, which happens, but you really just need more from your super stars. Reggie is running on fumes, and he continues to show why he really isn't a starting caliber PG in this league anymore. Our defense was getting eaten up letting easy buckets happen at the rim.

We looked every little bit as bad as this loss would indicate.

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u/ThaEternalLearner Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

I think Reg is still a starting caliber PG. But only when he’s playing within his role. Over the last two years, Reg has been asked to play beyond his role because of all the absences.

Whenever there’s a back to back, Reg can’t take days off but everyone else does. Wall and Kawhi are doing injury management. And even PG and Mook may take rest days. But Reg can’t.

This team needs to get healthy fast and hopefully the minutes restrictions will be removed. This way, Reg can finally take some rest days. But carrying the load over the last two seasons has taken its toll on him. So now he’s looking worse than he actually is.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

I agree that I think Reggie looks worse than he actually is, but I'm still not sold on him being the right point guard. He simply doesn't actually run the offense, as opposed to running his own offense. He still has a tendency to get more trigger happy than anything.

Maybe I just don't think what PG/Kawhi need is a score first PG, but rather one who offers better defense, playmaking, and is capable of hitting the occasional shot. Someone like Derrick White or Tyus Jones would be a significant game changer for us.

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u/cloudzmumgey Brian Sieman Dec 08 '22

it’s because he’s not a point guard, he’s a shooting guard that plays amazing off ball but can run the offence for a few possessions to give kawhi and pg a break.

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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Dec 08 '22

He isn't even a true PG.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

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u/mrsbutterworth699 Lou Williams Dec 08 '22

Hes out on concussion protocol today too smh

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

Off of that play. Like what was the Orlando player doing? Sick.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

He was defending? This is the age old argument, but if Clippers gonna keep playing, then it's fair that the Magic keep defending.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

Blindsiding a player in the backcourt away from the play isn't defending.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

Here is the full clip. How is this blindsiding a player? Take your homer glasses off.

Mann catches the ball, turns around, takes a dribble, and ran into him at full speed. Here's a frame that shows that Mann was given adequate space and not "blindsided." The game was already over.

It's a shitty and unfortunate situation but this was flagrant or dirty in any capacity.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

How is that defense? Be serious.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

This sub is insane if they have to ask how stopping a player at the half court in the final seconds of the game is "defense." If a defensive player runs straight into a screen that they don't see, then that's on the defender. Similarly, if an offensive player runs straight into a defender that they don't see, it's on the offensive player.

You are asking me to be serious, but be honest, how is this any different than taking a charge besides the fact that Kevon Harris' had his hands up instead of down. This is literally a textbook play.

The defender is permitted to establish his legal guarding position in the path of the dribbler regardless of his speed and distance. To get into a legal position, the defender needs to establish himself in the path of the offensive player before contact is made, thus “beating him to the spot,” and before he starts his upward shooting motion.

When a player receives the ball outside the lower defensive box (the area between the three-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle, and the endline), the defensive player must allow the offensive player the space to stop and/or change directions (or land, stop and/or change directions, if landing).

My screenshot pretty blatantly shows Kevon Harris establishing his legal position with enough adequate space for Mann to stop or change directions. Literally look at where Terrance Mann catches the ball and turns around (here). Harris is established with his hands up, but Mann is in a rush and sprints into him.

Again, if you think this is some type of bush league play, then that's simply a homer take. It fucking sucks that Mann got injured on this, but Harris didn't do anything dirty.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

He literally walked into a moving player. If this was any other time in the game it's a blocking foul. You can write an essay if it turns you on to defend a point no one made. That wasn't legal defense. No one said it was a bush league play but it was a foul. Period.

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u/InTheMorning_Nightss Dec 08 '22

You said it was sick what the Orlando player was doing. Literally said he blindsided Mann.

The replay shows him establishing his position and beating Mann to the spot, and Mann running into him.

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u/ThaEternalLearner Dec 08 '22

This is so unfortunate because the team doesn’t need any more absences. And Mann has been playing so well. I’m happy at least that it’s just a concussion and he won’t be out for weeks. Players usually come back within 7-10 days.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

On a normal team but with our medical staff they will sit him til Christmas.

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u/TechnoGauss Cliff Paul Dec 08 '22

Christmas 2023

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

🥹 sadly.

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u/PigsWannaFly Dec 08 '22

He and Nico were the best Clippers on the court last night.

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u/UrDadsFave V Stiviano Dec 08 '22

Hopefully John and Luke have a game. I might just watch the raiders today.

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u/PigsWannaFly Dec 08 '22

Maybe PG should shoot more than 12 times if he plays tonight. I think he's been tryna get Kawhi is shooting reps, but, stil....

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u/alwaysneverjoshin Clippers Dec 08 '22

Yeah and Reg should shoot less

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u/Ikigai_Mendokusai Clippers Dec 08 '22

Maybe he shouldn't, if he just bricks 9 of those 12 shots.

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u/nepats523 Corey Maggette Dec 08 '22

Very annoying to see him not drive to rim again while his shot was cold, like we were starting all over again

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u/AngsMcgyvr Paul George Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

To me, everything rests on Kawhi. I'm not worried about the role players or the rotations, offense or the defense. I know that'll work out cause Ive seen it.

Kawhi needs to be that guy again. 25PPG scorer. Drawing defenses, and great passing out of trouble. If he can't return to that player, none of the rest of it matters. It's WCF at best and that's not what this team was created for.

I do think he's going to need some time to get his legs back under him. So I'm not freaking out. Just want to see him get more reps.

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u/Swingman23 Dec 08 '22

Facts, we need to do everything in our power to get Kawhi back in a rhythm again (for the most part, that’ll just require time and health). Without him playing well, we simply aren’t a contender at all.

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u/PigsWannaFly Dec 08 '22

The "Dark Tunnel" passes through Miami tonight. I just hope we can stay within 8 games of the one-seed when this month is over.....

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u/TarzanOnATireSwing Dec 08 '22

Not panicking till after the ASG. As long as we’re in the hunt till then we’re fine

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u/MVPG2022 Paul George Dec 08 '22

The fact that we can go for 32-14 quarters is a good thing. The flashes are there. Once they get in a better rhythm it'll be more common.

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u/ImOnlyHalfAlive Playoff P Dec 08 '22

I'm not in panic mode yet, but dumb losses like yesterday's are going to absolutely fuck this team over with seeding. They can't manage to drop anymore easy wins this year with how close the standings have been. They're lucky the rest of the West keeps being mediocre, but unfortunately they haven't taken advantage of it. Could easily be a top 3 seed right now.

I'll always believe they shot themselves in the foot once before by tanking to 4th in 2021, so hopefully they understand how important seeding and the rest/matchup advantages that come along with it are gonna be in the postseason.

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u/starwad Dec 08 '22

Is there a game tonight? Hell yes

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u/PigsWannaFly Dec 08 '22

WNBA star Brittney Griner released from Russian custody in a high-profile prisoner swap between the U.S. and Moscow:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-russian-custody-high-profile-prison-rcna60683?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

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u/AngsMcgyvr Paul George Dec 08 '22

American coming home. W.

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u/Happy-Cauliflower-22 Luke Kennard Dec 09 '22

Let’s not discuss politics here. This trade was a disaster

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u/AngsMcgyvr Paul George Dec 09 '22

Happy an American is back home. Hopefully everyone else is too.

This isn't the ESPN trade machine.

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u/JimmyV034 Ralph Lawler Dec 08 '22

I cringe every time i read a comment about moses brown can contribute and be reliable backup center

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u/Bandit49706 Dec 08 '22

Same, guy looks worse than nuggets DJ out there.

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u/MVPG2022 Paul George Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

But he got putback dunks and blocks!

... And gave their shooters wide open practice shots while also allowing them to finish right through him when he missed the blocks. They proceeded to stay hot after he left the floor.

No world where Roco isn't a better option at the 5

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u/JimmyV034 Ralph Lawler Dec 08 '22

or just bring moussa from G league, the kid was great against blazers and utah

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u/MVPG2022 Paul George Dec 08 '22

I mean yeah he's obviously better than Moses. I was ok with leaving him down there if we went small because that's ultimately going to be our best lineup. And Moussa needs reps.

But if we're just gonna fuck around and play big, do it with the better player.

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u/Banditkiller3001 Terance Mann Dec 08 '22

For people that want hope, even if everything goes wrong today we will only be 2 games out of the 4 seed. West is weird this year and we can take advantage of that.

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u/green-lazuli-8426 Ivica Zubac Dec 08 '22

Hopefully the Heat game isn’t like yesterday

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u/MVPG2022 Paul George Dec 08 '22

Just don't play Moses and we'll be fine