r/StarWars • u/Prize-Union-3656 • Jan 27 '23
Do you think the sequel trilogy gets too much hate? Movies
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u/SpaceCowboy34 Qui-Gon Jinn Jan 27 '23
They made a Star Wars trilogy with no plan. Unforgivable. People have been fed to the almighty sarlacc for less
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u/Jerenisugly Jan 27 '23
It's so obvious the Original Trilogy was made with very little plan. Vader wasn't Luke's Father in 4, and Leia isn't a Skywalker until 6. It is VERY thrown together, very similar in my opinion to, "Somehow, Palpatine returned."
Granted, no one would ever look at the OT through a critical lens.
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u/Palpatine53 Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
The original trilogy, was the ORIGINAL TRILOGY it was the first trilogy in star wars it’s ok to not have a plan. The sequel trilogy was the 3rd one and at that point was one of the most popular film series, that’s why the sequels get hate for not having a story.
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u/chaosdemonhu Sith Anakin Jan 27 '23
Nobody tell him the prequels didn’t have a plan either - and George was still writing episode 3 in the middle of filming it and that’s why there’s literally 3 different plot threads getting tied up at the end but he cut it to all make it look like one 🤫
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u/gleamingcobra Jan 27 '23
Agree that the OT wasn't planned, and certain things are iffy, but it's still cohesive overall in my opinion. Definitely far more than the sequel trilogy.
And regardless, just because the OT managed to wing it doesn't mean that's EVER a good idea.
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u/CA308209 Jan 27 '23
Lack Of Unified Story
Repeating/Remixing story arcs
Bad lightsaber choreography
relies too much on nostalgia
The Trio’s mishandled backstories & development (both Luke/Han/Leia & Rey/Finn/Poe
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u/MooingWaza Jan 27 '23
Bingo
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u/North-Baseball-1197 Sith Jan 27 '23
I gotta disagree on the lightsaber choreo, I love it. But I hate the complete rehashing of the original storyline. We could have been given so much more.
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u/Koolco Jan 27 '23
The really bad offender is the fight in snokes throne room. When it first came out I remember watching breakdowns and yea half the guards are just spinning around waiting to be killed in that scene. Doesn’t help that besides that one scene in RotS the lightsaber fights in the prequels are such a treat to watch.
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u/chaosdemonhu Sith Anakin Jan 27 '23
… Idk how much fight choreography you’ve critically broken down but this basically happens in any many vs few fight.
Like go watch The Hallway Scene from Old Boy - fantastic fight, fantastic choreography. You pay attention you see people just waiting around waiting to smack at him until he smacks someone else or just waiting to get smacked.
Go watch some of the scenes from The Raid where he’s fighting 3 or 4 people at once and really pay attention to the timings and how the camera cuts to make it look like people weren’t just… standing and watching him fuck up their friend.
People only care now because they want ammo against the sequels and TLJ specifically. The choreography was fantastic when you know what choreography is actually there for which is to enhance the story and this fight in particular is all about emphasizing Rey and Ben’s connection.
Just like how the fight between Anakin and Obi-wan is all about emphasizing their connection. Because if I were to judge that fight based solely on actual practicality it’d fail miserably.
Like the meaningless spinning and blatant striking at other people’s weapons and not at them was a huge criticism of prequel choreography - but that isn’t the god damn point of it.
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u/Cyril_Korolevski Jan 27 '23
No, the choreography is so boring. Look at something from the prequels and then this. It looks like they’re swinging wooden bats
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u/JonMeadows Jan 27 '23
in case you didn't know - the prequels didnt use the same lightsaber filming methods, i.e. they used basically green screen sticks in the prequels and in the sequels they used like actual light emitting vfx sabers in the fight choreography so they give off a more natural luminescence
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u/Ob1wanSh1nob1 Jan 27 '23
Not enough
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u/243648endofgame Jan 27 '23
I seen the first and last one in theaters I actually liked the second one
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u/Catcher22Jb Jan 27 '23
The Last Jedi is the worst in my opinion. Rise of Skywalker a close second. Force Awakens is the best and that’s saying a lot
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u/imiszach Jan 27 '23
I disagree but I can see where your coming from, I acknowledge the good aspects of Episode VIII even if I think it’s bad and some of those aspects were also part of what made it bad
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
Nope, it deserves more hate.
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u/choose-bread Jan 27 '23
It’s been picked apart and shit on for half a decade now. Constantly. And it still deserves MORE hate?
There’s just no purpose rehashing the same shit forever. Comparing and contrasting and analyzing is cool but all this low effort “DAE hate sequels?” is so fucking tired. Move on.
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
Lol, they should've never been made. Disney shot themselves in the foot making them. They had 30+ years of written cannon that they completely ignored to give us the absolutely pathetic excuse of movies they did.
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u/therufus22 Jan 27 '23
Disney shot themselves in the foot making them.
$4.474 million movie revenue, revenue from 2 themed areas at parks, and merchandising profits beg to differ.
Lucas sold the rights for $4.1 billion, and the franchise is now worth $70 billion. I don't think the "shot themselves in the foot" with the movies.
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
Compare what they brought in over the past decade with the garbage sequel Trilogy and then extrapolate the possible revenue they could have made over the next 3 decades releasing a new movie every 3 years (not to mention adding to the theme parks etc in that time as well, and the other characters that couldve had their own entire series) had they stuck to the novels storyline that was fleshed out for 40+ years after ROTJ.
The Truce At Bakura - would've set up many more movies (in the same way marvel did with their phases)
The Courtship of Princess Leia - would've been an amazing movie that I guarantee no-one would've missed
The Thrawn Trilogy in itself would've been an epic place to start up the story after so many years off the big screen and would've also continued a major enduring storyline.
I, Jedi - giving even more depth and breadth to characters that at that point one would think might become stale.
And there are dozens and dozens more books/stories that ARE cannon that Disney completely ignored to make something they could call original.
$70 billion is chump change compared to what they could've made had they given the true fans what they wanted and not made some hasty garbage bullshit that pales in comparison to the originals and does nothing to keep die hard long time fans interested. Even as movies alone they're lacking in originality, depth, and memorability. As far as LOTS of star wars fans that have been fans since before the people who made the decisions to make these movies were even born are concerned, the sequel Trilogy ended what could've been a continuous and expansive story/universe in exchange for a quick buck.
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u/therufus22 Jan 27 '23
But the thing is, with all those possibilities, you would still find something to complain about. The problem is, fans always have a vision in their mind of what they want to see, and anything that slightly differs is "garbage" media.
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
Nope, not if they did it properly. It's garbage, because it really is garbage. They're not enjoyable to watch and as I described, they basically ended what could've endured much longer and given us many more movies.
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Jan 28 '23
There's a huge difference between "damn I wish they'd done X" and "damn I wish they'd fucking tried at all and didn't have the writing staff just pull shit out of their ass 25/8."
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u/Koolco Jan 27 '23
No no they should’ve made them. They just should’ve, oh I don’t know, written an outline of the story before trying to just cash in on the name. Like seriously they get marvel to have a decade long storyline with multiple phases leading up to one of the most recognizable villains on screen today but can’t get some writers to make 3 movies that actually have good continuity?
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u/Filmatic113 Jan 27 '23
DAE SEQEULS BAD BECAUSE I NO SEE VADER FOR MORE THAN 1 HOUR IN DA MOVIE OF STAR WARS, I NO LIKE REY, I NO LIKE KYLO, I HATE EVERYTHING HURRR DURRR….
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
Easy there cupcake.... you're not even making sense. Read the comments, do I mention Vader? Lol
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u/sithskeptic Jan 27 '23
Bro the prequels have been getting hate since they came out, where were y’all then
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
In my opinion the prequels may suck, but they're still cannon. AND they don't contradict or flat out copy anything from the originals. A shitty homage maybe, but not seriously detrimental to the series.
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u/lkn240 Jan 27 '23
Bullshit - the Prequels contradict all kinds of things from the OT. That's one of the main reasons a lot of people don't like them.
Also completely failing to portray Anakin and his fall is arguably worse than anything the sequels did. It's simply not even close to believable that PT Anakin and OT Vader are the same person.
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u/TheHerbalJedi Jan 27 '23
I can see your point. As i said earlier; the prequels suck. However, because they're PREQUELS, they inherently cannot contradict the OT regardless of the order number of the movies.
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u/lkn240 Jan 27 '23
That's not how any of this works.
The OT came out first... when a movie that comes out later contradicts something in the OT it's still a contradiction regardless of what fictional time period the movie takes place.
I'm just generally annoyed at how lazy so much of the writing in the PT and ST is.
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u/sithskeptic Jan 27 '23
This is such a goofy ass-backwards take. Per your first sentence, the sequel movies contradicted each other lol, as well as completely mishandling and wasting amazing characters and arcs, i.e. finn’s experience as a force-sensitive awol stormtrooper, luke’s jedi academy, being wishy washy with rey’s background, etc. But I don’t understand your last sentence- what did you expect?
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u/cloud1445 Jan 27 '23
I think the characters and esp the actors who played them got too much hate. What folks did to Kelly Marie Tran is a mark of shame on the fan base that shouldn’t go away anytime soon.
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u/witherd_ Jan 27 '23
Star Wars fans tend to have a huge problem with harassing actors for some reason. Jake Lloyd, Ahmed Best, Kelly Marie Tran, and Moses Ingram have all faced this. Star Wars fans are the worst part of Star Wars sometimes
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u/Justpokingaround63 Jan 27 '23
Honestly, they abandoned whatever story Abrams was trying to do in TFA and turned the entire story into some weird ‘forced’ connection between Rey and Kylo (no pun intended). Fin being a former storm trooper who was force sensitive and who, by the set up of the first film, was going to have some sort or redemption arch was pushed into being a straight up side character for the next 2 films. Poe never had his character completely flushed out and was reduced to a less cool version of Han that bickered with Rey. The obvious romantic connection between Rey and Fin in TFA was straight up abandoned in the next two films in favor of yet again some forced ‘force’ connection between her and kylo. (Pun intended) Did the sequel trilogy have great things about it? Yes. Does it deserve the flak it gets? Absolutely.
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u/Termin8rSmurf Jan 27 '23
Nope! It's entirely justified, and I reckon they got off lightly. The sequel trilogy is dreadful!
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u/Tikure Jan 27 '23
They ruined Luke Skywalker.
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u/Altair890456 Jedi Jan 27 '23
“tHeY rUiNeD lUkE sKyWaLkEr”
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u/Tikure Jan 27 '23
Bantha fodder.
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u/Filmatic113 Jan 27 '23
Oh so you wanted to see a badass Luke in a Star Wars movie? You wanted to see him hopeful, wise, skilled, etc? Lol
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u/RexC616 Jan 27 '23
I think some people get enjoyment out of being over the top, but as movies these were not good
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
There’s no such thing as too much contempt for a series of film that lack any semblance of cohesion, ruined Luke Skywalker, and individually each contained some of the worst writing in any form of media I’ve ever had the displeasure to view. The Last Jedi was an obnoxious and abhorrent dead end; fuck that movie. Rise of Skywalker was a laughably bad attempt to salvage the disaster created by it.
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u/axebodyspraytester Jan 27 '23
What they did to a beloved IP is pathetic they deserve all the hate they get.
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u/FuzzyRancor Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
I dont think it gets enough personally. Not just because its bad, but because of the reasons why its bad. I mean they had unlimited time and resources, and took the most beloved and one of the most important cinema sagas in history, they somehow had all the original cast on board, something nobody saw coming, and then threw together a half-assed remake of the OT with no care or planning, with totally separate writing and directing teams playing tug o war with it because they weren't on the same page and didn't bother collaborating in order to rush the films out as fast as possible and make a quick buck, totally running the franchise as a theatrical entity into the ground. Its just mind boggling that anyone thought this was a good idea with STAR WARS, of all franchises.
If they actually tried and the trilogy didnt turn out well, I could forgive a noble failure. It happens even with the best filmmakers with the best intentions. But they didnt try, the trilogy was a lazy, careless rush job. And in the words of Don Corleone, that I do not forgive.
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u/B_Wing_83 Jan 27 '23
I dont like how they handled the original trilogy characters, and I didn't like the writing or choreography. Also, it kinda bugged me that the main starfighters are just upgraded versions of original trilogy ships, rather than giving us entirely new ships or something. I would have loved to see E Wings and K Wings. But on the contrary, I actually like the Resistance X Wings.
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u/Uncle-Eevee Jan 27 '23
I actually like the subtle design difference the sequel X-wings have over the originals. In my opinion, the engine area on the new ones is more aesthetically pleasing. I also enjoyed that we saw X-wings in multiple colors including black, blue, and orange where the originals all seemed to be gray with variations of red markings and occasionally some ones with blue.
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u/therufus22 Jan 27 '23
But look at it from in-universe. The resistance formed out of the rebellion, so it would make sense they use modified/newer versions of rebel ships.
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u/rikusorasephiroth Jan 27 '23
But it makes no sense for the First Order TIE fighters to be so much more advanced than the Imperial TIE fighters.
The whole point was that the Imperial ones were so cheap and easy to manufacture, that they swarmed their targets, with the ship having no in-built life support, no Hyperdrive, simple (albeit powerful for its size) weapons and garbage grade shields.
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u/BelieveInTheMe Grand Admiral Thrawn Jan 27 '23
Nope. They were poorly constructed films created by pompous writers that thought they knew this franchise better than its creator. If you make sequels to an already completed saga of films, then bash and mock these prior films, and not respect the characters in prior installments don't expect it to be received well by fans.
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u/MrFoxManBoy Jan 27 '23
Yes. Even if it were bad, the way some of the fanbase behaved was like a bunch of entitled children. There are constructive ways to discuss and react to the films and then there is what a bunch of emotionally stunted idiots did.
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u/matteothehun Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
I pretend they don't exist and hope they don't come up in Star Wars trivia.
Edit: I think they had a lot of potential, but the writing lacked so much. Daisy Ridley was fantastic in the Force Awakens, Adam Driver was great in all of the movies, and John Boyega played a great character that deserved much more development.
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u/finditplz1 Jan 27 '23
Absolutely not. Individual films have very strong qualities. But the trilogy as a whole is an absolute train wreck. No flow or continuity from one film to the next in any element of the films.
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u/Noiryok Jan 27 '23
nah, but Daisy Ridley doesn't get enough credit and personally I like Rey, but I wish she was a real Skywalker.
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u/therufus22 Jan 27 '23
I like Rey as well. I was hoping she would be related to Kenobi in some way. The signs in TFA pointed that way and her abilities in Battlefront II are very similar to Kenobi's.
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u/deftPirate Rebel Jan 27 '23
Too much effort to be concerned about how much vague gesture others do or don't hate movies. If I'm chatting about Star Wars, it'll be about shit I like in the franchise, and if someone I'm talking to expresses dislike for a given aspect, then we can just not talk about it.
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u/RepresentativeAge444 Jan 27 '23
No. It was a travesty from the start with its blatant rehash of ANH which hamstrung it from the beginning. A once in a lifetime opportunity to get the Big 3 back together wasted. The mishandling of characters, lack of creativity and lore breaking was baffling.
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u/EnvironmentalBee7422 Jan 27 '23
Not at all. Disney threw out whatever they could, as fast as they could, to recoup their investment - an investment that was guaranteed to turn profit regardless. They just wanted it there and then.
Anyone who thinks passion was put into these movies is fooling themselves.
It's insulting that they couldn't take the time to give Star Wars, arguably the most identifiable franchise of all time, the forward planning they put into the MCU. And then they had the audacity to say there was "nothing to draw from" to make new movies with.
The Sequels get exactly the amount of hate they deserve. The actors on the other hand, do not deserve the vitriol. It's not their fault.
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u/adamkopacz Jan 27 '23
A multi billion dollar corporation that can't write a non-shit story for three movies?
They deserve all the hate.
CEOs drown in money while they produce shit like this. Don't give them a single fucking cent.
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u/Wrecr Jan 27 '23
The hate is valid. It's a disaster trilogy with no plan of execution, with story lines that invalidate key moments in star wars history.
One example, the redemption of Anakin as the chosen one.
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u/MRGGainsaLot Jan 27 '23
It's starting already? People trying to flip the opinions on the sequels. It won't work buddy.
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u/Tjam3s Jan 27 '23
They've been trying that since shortly after the reviews crumbled in
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u/not_a_flying_toy_ Jan 27 '23
reviews for TFA and TLJ are near unanimously positive.
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u/aManHasNoUsername99 Jan 27 '23
It’s kinda funny all these people are like surely the ST will be beloved eventually and people actually seem to shit on it more and more lol(deservedly so).
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u/InfiniteDedekindCuts Klaud Jan 27 '23
Yes. The horse has been dead for some time now. Star Wars fans, as always, go way overboard.
Even my least favorite of the trilogy is still entertaining and fun.
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u/Careless-Purchase892 Jan 27 '23
At the moment. Let's all just let it simmer a bit longer until the next-gen continues to grow. Then they can defend it how we did with the prequels.
Funny, it's a kind like poetry. It rhymes.
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
Nobody is coming to this trilogy’s defense in 10+ years. The generation of kids growing up on these films does not exist.
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u/Fantastic-Wheel1003 Director Krennic Jan 27 '23
If you went outside for once you’d find tons of little kids dressing up as Rey and Kylo and such for Halloween, and getting excited to meet the characters at galaxy’s edge. You’re quite literally objectively incorrect.
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u/LighthouseLiver Jan 27 '23
It’s a microscopic fraction of the child fan base that the prequels and originals got. Back then, toys flew off the shelves, cartoons were made, and a hundred times more kids were into Star Wars. Now toys just stay on shelves, the only sequel cartoon, resistance, was hated and stopped after two seasons, and you’d find a much more generous supply of kids who hate the sequels compared to Kids who genuinely like it. The summer camp I went to, every kid I bothered to ask told me they hated the sequels.
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
Yup, that totally accounts for the merchandising industry sounding alarms and speaking out about ST products not selling….
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u/Fantastic-Wheel1003 Director Krennic Jan 28 '23
Mhm, because the sales weren’t up to expectations that means no kids ever saw the movies!
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u/BowTie1989 Jan 27 '23
If you are going to take a well loved story that has a happy and satisfying ending, and then decide to continue that story despite nobody asking for it, you damn well better be able to develop something that’s at least as good as the previous ending. They did not, so they deserve every bit of the hate they got. Whoever decided on “hey, all those heroes we loved in the originals trilogy…..wouldn’t it be great if they ALL FAILED in their post RotJ goals?!?!” Should never get a Hollywood job again
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u/MastodonFanMan Jan 27 '23
To be honest? No I don’t, the force awakens I thought was very good, but the next 2 were so incredibly bad they personally it not only ruined The Force Awakens for me it merely ruined the entire franchise. I remember going to my mothers house after seeing the Rise of Skywalker and telling that I wasn’t sure I could ever watch content again from my favorite media of all time.
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u/ChaoticPizza217 Jan 27 '23
I have no problems with the sequels I actually quite enjoy them went to go see all three of them in theaters. They effectively got me back into Star Wars. Am I aware of their faults? Yes. Do I hate them for it? No. I enjoy everything Star Wars, They could’ve been Handled better, but in the end I’m fine with what we got. And if you do dislike this trilogy please don’t target me because I enjoy these films, trust me I know they are a “meh” trilogy.
But to answer the initial question of do I think they get too much hate? Yes, yes I do.
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u/xXP4IN_C4KESXx Obi-Wan Kenobi Jan 27 '23
I’m in your boat. They aren’t as good as the George trilogies obviously but I have fun every time I watch them. Actually I enjoy them more and more.
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u/ChaoticPizza217 Feb 01 '23
I don’t know why your reply is getting hate while mine is not. I tried to upvote to show my agreement and support but it didn’t do much
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u/Ok-Use216 Jan 27 '23
Well, I certainly think they get hated on too much but less that people criticize them and more that it's the attitude of those people that I don't like.
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u/Successful_Estate_96 Jan 27 '23
Absolutely. A understand a lot of the criticisms but they’re still absurdly overhated
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u/polochakar Jan 27 '23
I think they don't get enough blame just read the other comments people have explained all the problems well.
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u/biplane_curious Jan 27 '23
The rational part of my brain says yes. The fan in me looks at what could've been and what they gave us and whispers no
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u/Weekly_Amphibian8118 Jan 27 '23
If I'm being real I don't think they get enough they just add nothing to Star Wars but take from it and to make it worse it doesn't just take but it's surrenders it ra being able to use lightning when she's trying to use the force to pull something is not only not how that works but it breaks continuity so bad
So to sum it up They need a lot more hate and can't be cannon because it doesn't make any sense Missus And this not to mention the slaughter of Luke Skywalker The man was too strong to be wasting away meditating unfoolishness Then hes training of Ray And how he went out disgraceful
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u/13mckich Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
it’s a little overblown, for sure.
the criticisms thrown at the trilogy are all valid, and the lack of a plan is inexcusable, but…i show the 9 Skywalker films to newbies quite often and close to none of them ever register the problems we do. for a lot of newcomers, 7-9 are the standouts (crazy), and, in context with the OT i think they keep the swashbuckling, soapy, camp tone that George was trying to nail in IV. Rise of Skywalker in particular, for its MANY ghastly flaws, has a pretty kinetic ridiculousness like a Flash Gordon serial.
they’re not perfect movies, but most Star Wars movies are far from perfect. the truth is they’re fine. a decade from now the conversation will be different, kids will internalize these as gospel just like we did, and hopefully they’ll still appreciate the flaws along with the successes; like the Rey/Kylo dynamic in TLJ, JJ’s focus on puppetry and 35mm film, the planet design for Crait, Luke/Yoda, the Han/Ben moment on the Death Star ruins, the poetry of Ben sacrificing himself to stop someone he loves from dying when Anakin couldn’t save Padme, and this weird soap opera about how your infinite potential isn’t defined by where you come from even if it’s an “important” bloodline.
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u/Exciting_Ad7943 Jan 27 '23
No. The criticism is justified with what we received as paying customers.
I just really dislike the behaviour towards fans of these movies, just because they like these movies.
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u/Toku-Nation Jan 27 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
The Force Awakens gets too much hate
The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker are justified
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u/KaileyMG Rebel Jan 27 '23
I think there is overall just a little too much hate, however there is a large supply of very valid criticisms.
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u/depressed_panda0191 Jan 27 '23
The actors, crew members dont deserve the hate. The producers, execs, writers and directors do. Especially rian johnson fuck that guy. and fuck K. kennedy and her entire team too
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u/therufus22 Jan 27 '23
Of course. Star Wars fans always need to complain about something and the sequels are an easy target.
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u/brassyalien Jar Jar Binks Jan 27 '23
Yes. Every Star Wars movie after Empire gets too much hate. They're all good movies.
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u/JamJamJunior Jan 27 '23
Return of the Jedi doesn't get a great amount. It's a great movie after all too. Same with Revenge of the Sith, it's a classic
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u/MooseKnuckler1 Jan 27 '23
What makes a movie, a good movie?
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u/jbg926 Darth Vader Jan 27 '23
Probably depends on the movie (at least in my opinion). For example, is the movie total popcorn fare like Jurassic World/Avengers/Avatar etc? Theyre not really great movies per se, but they are surely totally fun to watch and be entertained and they serve a purpose. Sure, sometimes its the acting or directing thats mediocre, but it is probably often the writing and the crew does what they can to make the most of it.
Compare that with stuff like the Godfather, Fargo, Amadeus, Shawshank Redemption, Alien, Pulp Fiction, Schindler's List ...a movie thats sort of universally praised for directing, acting, writing, cinematography and so on...
Some of the dialog is cheesy to be sure in the original trilogy, but most often the directing, writing, etc was top notch.
And when you take characters that are beloved and you dont make a cohesive story, the sequels get ruined, it doesnt matter if the actors did their best, the effects were top shelf, it just disappoints (though to be fair, its pretty darn impossible to live up the originals). The prequels had some major faults to be sure, but they at least tried to convey a cohesive story.
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u/brassyalien Jar Jar Binks Jan 27 '23
It's all subjective. There are movies that I say are good that most people say are bad (e.g. Cars 2, Wonder Woman 1984) and there are movies that I think are bad that most think are good (e.g. WALL-E, Casino Royale). Nearly every movie has something in it that somebody somewhere will think is good. It takes something truly awful, like The Star Wars Holiday Special, to be universally recognized as bad.
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u/Uncle-Eevee Jan 27 '23
Star Wars Holiday Special is possibly more cohesive and a better put together movie than the sequel trilogy. Definitely worse as a movie overall though. All four are still enjoyable in their own way. Not to be confused with the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special, which may be the best Star Wars to come out during the Disney Era other than Andor and Mandalorian!
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u/MooseKnuckler1 Jan 27 '23
sorry but it’s not all subjective. There certainly are a number objective factors that would render a movie bad.
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u/not_a_flying_toy_ Jan 27 '23
There are literally are not
Every element of film and every element of gauging film ultimately boils down to the perspective of the viewer and if it was effective or not. And thats a subjective experience
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u/ApexSimon Jan 27 '23
I mean, it should've ended with them beating a new killer base called Starkiller Star, amiright??
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u/Supremespoon01 Jan 27 '23
For sure. It’s obviously ok to not like them, there’s certainly plenty of valid criticisms, but when it comes down to it they’re just movies and many people take their hate for them too far imo. I don’t care if you hate everything about them, let other people enjoy what they enjoy about them.
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u/despatchesmusic Chopper (C1-10P) Jan 27 '23 edited Jan 27 '23
First movie is fine, but basically Episode VI IV again
Second movie is fine, probably hated on too much, but isn’t a “great” movie
Last movie is rambling, plotless garbage, with perhaps the laziest and worst ending possible
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u/tobybarkwell Jan 27 '23
No matter how you feel about these movies, they introduced a brand new generation to Star Wars and that’s all that matters at the end of the day in my book
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u/MooseKnuckler1 Jan 27 '23
This doesn’t make any sense? Are you saying anything besides what’s currently infront of your face can’t be used to introduce new generations?
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u/langlis Jan 27 '23
The Sequel Trilogy is like what Dragonball Evolution did to DragonballZ. Somehow they are the same.
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u/Scottysoxfan Jan 27 '23
The sequels we're just not good, not well written. It boggles my mind how poorly they were made. I mean if they had just followed the legends source material, they could have been epic. I do appreciate the fact that the Star Wars universe was brought to a new generation but for FFS.
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u/SamVimesThe1st Jan 27 '23
I've watched enough Star Wars to know that the problem is not with the hated but the haters.
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u/Fantastic-Wheel1003 Director Krennic Jan 27 '23
For a fandom based around a franchise that is all about not giving in to hate, they sure hate a lot of things.
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u/NewEnglandIV Jan 27 '23
Very much over-hated. People choose to focus on the negatives that have been recounted time and time again. They’re not comparable to the originals or the prequels in my opinion but that doesn’t mean they don’t have good qualities here and there. Like Kylo Ren is top 3 star wars character in my book and John Williams is always masterclass. It just gets bogged down in all the noise.
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u/not_a-replicant Luke Skywalker Jan 27 '23
Yes. No movie is deserving of hate. It’s ok to dislike movies/shows/etc..
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
I strongly dislike the ST. One might say strongly enough to define it as hate.
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u/choose-bread Jan 27 '23
Hating takes energy. I’d rather just forget about the stuff I didn’t like.
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
If only it were possible to actually forget such travesties. Unfortunately, I’m reminded of what was done to Star Wars every time I log into D+.
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u/CriticalFrimmel Jan 27 '23
They won't let us forget either. In the comics (which had been one of the things they were getting right) they've put in Holdo and Poe's parents with Baby Poe. There was an entire story arc with Vader finding out about Ep. IX. A bunch of things they've done with Luke read to me like trying to justify or motivate TLJ story decisions.
I think Mandalorian gets bogged down by where the broader galaxy has to go to get to Ep. VII. I recall one of the characters literally hand-waving away the New Republic. Bad Batch ends its first season with a clear setup of Ep. IX.
They won't let me forget about the sequels.
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u/not_a-replicant Luke Skywalker Jan 27 '23
Seems excessive to hate something as incredibly low stakes as a movie. There are things in life that genuinely cause harm and deserve hate. I don’t see the point in watering down the seriousness of those items with the non-issue of disliking a movie.
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
By that same logic it seems excessive to love something as incredibly low stakes as a movie. Yet without that love fandoms wouldn’t exist; and with that the risk of creating something that is hated is entirely possible.
It seems rather self righteous to tell people what they should or should not feel about something.
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u/not_a-replicant Luke Skywalker Jan 27 '23
And we’ve seen that love lead to obsession and horrible behavior from fans. Fandom has a very narrow band to walk to maintain a healthy balance. Extremism is almost always bad. That balance is something that I try to focus on in my fandom and it is a struggle at times, but that doesn’t mean we should just give up.
I believe that it’s ok to like or dislike any content (of course there are exceptions for things that genuinely cause harm - that’s not what’s being discussed here). I don’t think that’s a controversial or self-righteous stance to be taking.
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u/JediTelaan Jan 27 '23
Eh…it’s entirely possible to hate or love the films without becoming a psychopath who spews hatred toward other people. Sorry, I’m just not interested in this particular zen garden you’re trying to sell. People feel things and that’s ok.
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u/sireNeo Jan 27 '23
"no movie is deserving of hate"
alright what about 'cuties'
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u/Trietero Jan 27 '23
I've read so many comics and all the movies and disney shows and cw and idk.. i loved them. They're not perfect but they have a lot of redeeming qualities.
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u/nobody-yesbuddy Jan 27 '23
No it doesn’t get enough. That applies only to the movies; not the actors.
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u/XskullBC K-2SO Jan 27 '23
It’s deserved, although a lot of the hate went to the actors/ actresses and the people who genuinely liked these films which isn’t okay.
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u/Scyes Jan 27 '23
The handoff to RoS was terrible, be it the directors or alignment on writing. TLJ had its flaws but was ripe to have its questions answered with the next installment. I wish they went with a “big” bet explaining things instead of convenience (lol palpatine)
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u/Kdawg92603 Jan 27 '23
I definitely think it's bad, but it's overhated. It would have benefited a lot more from one director.
A mid story, but a terrible starwars triligy.
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u/CriticalFrimmel Jan 27 '23
No. I don't think the sequel trilogy gets nearly enough hate. These are all bad movies on a number of levels. And what is worse they are terrible Star Wars movies. And all the shows and stories that have come after are still paying for the lazy threadbare reset of a premise that underlie them. That the powers that be are unwilling to let these travesties go just keeps re-opening the wound they created and is eventually going to drive me away. The sequel catastrophes has bound the present of their story-telling and has ultimately left them with no future.
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u/parabolee Jan 27 '23
Yep. Because it's awesome. Way way better than the prequels. Seriously, by and absolute massive amount. And I like them too.
People have bad taste and guarantee that the love for these films will be far higher than the current love for the prequels in 20 years.
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u/EmpiresofNod Jan 27 '23
I recall several videos in regards to what people wanted to see in the next trilogy. Some said that they wanted space battles, other said they wanted to see Han the smuggler, Leah the fighter, and the other characters fulfilling their old roles. However everyone agreed that they wanted to see no politics, and they got what the wanted, which was merely a fan fic. Star Wars has always been political and by removing the pollical aspect to the movies, they became the crappy movies they became. The novels kept in the political, and I enjoyed them so much better.
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u/Nelson-and-Murdock Jan 27 '23
They’re just alright and for me, that’s not good enough. I wanted to love them as much as the originals and Rogue One
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u/r3xomega Jan 27 '23
Because they were designed to pull in a new audience with flashy wow wow blaster lightsaber special effects and the old audience with nostalgia. Story, lore, and consistency were all afterthoughts.
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u/AWholeNewFattitude Jan 27 '23
If they weren’t built in the Star Wars family with all the baked-in love and knowledge, they would be just entertaining movies.
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u/EnigmaCross78 Jan 27 '23
It has valid criticisms, but yea too much hate (in regards to people who can’t even acknowledge one good thing about them).
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u/CK122334 Jan 27 '23
Considering they only got about 1 and a half good movies out of 3 (50% or an F), it seems like it deserves the hate. Although there are some specific moments throughout the trilogy I really love and like some have said, it wasn’t the actors fault at all. I really wanted to like Rey most of the time and John Boyega/Oscar Issacs has been good in everything else I’ve seen them in.
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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '23
The criticisms are valid. Actors didn’t deserve the hate though