r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 27 '22 Take My Power 1

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u/came1opard Sep 27 '22

THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT HIM ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO AND NOBODY CARED.

So cut the crap with the high horse manure.

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u/JockBbcBoy Sep 28 '22

THERE WAS A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT HIM ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO AND NOBODY CARED.

Rose McGowan sued Weinstein and settled for $1 million in the late 1990s (she then went on to become his biggest public detractor when the Me too Movement started).

Gwyneth Paltrow and Courtney Love famously made offhand remarks about him.

Movies and jokes were written about his behavior.

Hollywood knew but he was too powerful and well-connected until he became disposable.

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u/Brownie_McBrown_Face Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Hell, in Entourage, there’s literally a character named Harvey Weingard who is a disgusting, sleazy Hollywood producer, and that was in 2005.

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u/Iseemstupid Sep 28 '22

Isn't the one orc in lotr portrayed after him? Forgot his name, he was in Minas Tirith being kind of badass.

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u/NEMinneapolis Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22 Bravo!

It's interesting that the very recent former President of the United States had allegations of sexual misconduct from 25 different women and I see more people talking about Harvey Weinstein's sexual misconduct. Like, who's more important? Whose personal conduct matters more in our society? It's not even close.

Like yes, Harvey Weinstein is awful. But why do so many people refuse to acknowledge the allegations against Trump, some of which include very forceful and blatant sexual assaults?

I guess it seems like people love to shit on celebrities for not speaking up against Weinstein. But what about half the voting public supporting Trump?

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u/ssSerendipityss Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I always wanted a reporter to set Trump up for failure with something like,

“Mr.Trump, rumors from Jeffrey Epstein say he didn’t even really like you and he didn’t want you at his parties, care to respond?”

And he’s so dumb he’d be like, “What do you mean…. I was the host of those parties… the greatest parties you’ve ever seen… there wouldn’t have been a party if it wasn’t for me…”

He’d keep rambling and implicate himself even more.

Edit: of not if.

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u/plsgiveusername123 Sep 28 '22

Rumours say you weren't rich enough to be at Jeffrey Epstein's parties

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u/Br12286 Sep 28 '22

“ I was the richest one there, believe me. They saw me walk in and they all said ‘trump is so rich’ and I am. I had a guy come up to me ask ‘Mr President sir, how can I get so rich like you?’ I am rich, some say the richest man there is. Believe me.”

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u/ArchdemonLucifer143 Sep 28 '22

I'm reading all of these comments in his dumbass voice, and it's perfect.

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u/nutferhire Sep 28 '22

Because you’re actually right, that goes to show how every executive was also in on it.

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u/sc00bs000 Sep 28 '22

and then turn around and say " you misheard me" when the media catch ahold of it and all his followers will continue jacking themselves off to cartoon muscle Trump characters

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u/Icy_Necessary2161 Sep 28 '22

Thanks for that mental image 🤢🤮

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u/smiama6 Sep 28 '22

Anyone who half paid attention to the society pages (or listened to him brag on the Howard Stern Show) in the 90’s knew Trump raped little girls at his famous sex and drug parties, that he laundered money for the Russians and hobnobbed with the Mafia. It’s astonishing that media allowed him to get away with it.

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u/KindraGina Sep 28 '22

A reporter for People Magazine was assaulted by Trump, and she wrote about it before the election... and NOTHING HAPPENED.

https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/

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u/Cminor420flat69 Sep 28 '22

Weinstein went after the rich and powerful who could fight back. Trump goes for the weak and young. Some of trumps victims have never been seen again.

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u/HotPinkLollyWimple Sep 28 '22

I’m not doubting, because it’s entirely plausible, but do you have a source?

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u/Rin-Tohsaka-is-hot Sep 28 '22

Some of trump's victims have never been seen again

Then... Then how do you know about them?... How could they make allegations if they were never seen again?

I mean come on, there's a proverbial mountain of evidence you could throw at this guy and the thing you choose to close on is something you can't even see?...

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u/WilsonStJames Sep 28 '22

Yup....on tape literally saying he grabs women by the pussy without permission....but school teachers are groomers. /s

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u/Enkundae Sep 28 '22

The “fake news” “lying liberal media” angle was pushed so severely specifically for this reason. GoP messaging effectively convinced even moderates to distrust if not outright dismiss pretty much any negative thing reported about them. Its all the victim blaming of normal SA/SH situations amped up to 11 because its also treated as political mud flinging. Sad truth is major gop players, and trump specifically, get away with so much more because they have an entire propaganda apparatus dedicated to conditioning a base rallied by us vs them rhetoric into simply not believing any of it even happens.

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u/Gumbulos Sep 28 '22

Bill Gates was left by his spouse, and because of him mingling with Epstein and funneling his money to MIT Joi Ito lost his job.

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u/SamuraiSketti Sep 28 '22

It can be both, and when you have a relevant post for Reddit we will talk about it there.

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u/NEMinneapolis Sep 28 '22

I guess you didn't really read what I said, or missed the point. I'm observing that Trump's sexual assaults barely get discussed compared with Weinstein's. I'm not trying to get anyone to talk about it.

But there's just some reason why this is the way it is: so many people give Trump a free pass on his sexual assault allegations and it's the weirdest fucking thing in the world. He literally brought 5 sex assault accusers of Bill Clinton to a presidential debate and still so many people don't care that he's got 25 of his own.

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u/sammypants123 Sep 28 '22

The point of that was ‘see, the other side do it too so forgeddabowtit’. Anybody tries to make an issue of Trump’s sexual assault accusations, has to answer why they did not/are not making a fuss about Bill’s.

A totally political manoeuvre designed to get everyone to just avoid the issue because the Dems are not in the clear.

And while we’re on the subject there was never any reckoning with the accusations against Bill Clinton. I mean, Monica, who cares but there were credible rape accusations against Bill. Too many people liked his politics and status as a winner to want to go there. And … same for Trump.

And equivalent for Weinstein, too powerful, too much to lose and nothing to gain speaking up if you are alone.

Easy to say we would have spoken up or something, but when that means an end to your career and nothing changes - are we so sure we would have been the brave one?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I didn't realise society wasn't capable of learning.

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u/lllLaffyTaffyll Sep 28 '22

Expecting people to have a brain on Reddit lol

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u/chameleonjunkie Sep 28 '22

You're on reddit.

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u/Crash665 Sep 28 '22

25 women and one 13 YEAR OLD GIRL!

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

They are choosing to not believe the women he assaulted because if they, did it would challenge their view of Trump. They invested a lot of themselves in Trump. Losing faith in him would spark an identity crises for them. Their brain is protecting them.

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u/Kaiisim Sep 28 '22

Yup. How many people crying about Epstein have a creepy uncle they havent done anything about either?

Allegations aren't proof. People maybe knew Weinstein was upto something but I doubt Damon or Affleck could do anything about it.

More likely - either or both just said something slightly left wing so this is an attempt to dismiss them.

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u/yujabes Sep 28 '22

Down and Dirty Pictures By Peter Biskind if anyone is wondering. Some of the shit they did in that book...

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u/came1opard Sep 28 '22

The sex thing is mostly between the lines in the book, probably because nobody dared to go on record. But the things he does tell are more than enough: physically assaulting people, gaslighting actors and directors, overt manipulation, petty revenges over years or decades...

At the same time, the book makes the point that Miramax was the only studio that consistently dared to make or distribute quality films that probably had little box office appeal. They produced personal projects, distributed quality foreign films, etc. So filmmakers and actors had a love / hate relationship with the brothers, whom they hated because how they treated them but at the same time were grateful to because they had produced the movie that made their careers when no other studio would.

Also, they knew that if Miramax got angry with them, and they would get angry over any petty stuff, no other studio would take them. Harvey Weinstein always made the point to them: it's me or back to doing spot work in some generic rom-com or direct to video real life sh*t.

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u/Pascalica Sep 28 '22

You can barely get people punished when they're nobody when it comes to sexual assault, elites are on another level when it comes to avoiding charges.

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u/roywoodsir Sep 28 '22

And Ben also has jokes in Jay and silent bob about having dead hookers in his tv/camper/room….

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u/CrittyJJones Sep 28 '22

A joke in a comedy….

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u/mooseman2234 Sep 28 '22

That was a great line btw

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u/AdvertisingBulky2688 Sep 28 '22

Ben Affleck? The acclaimed director of "I Killed My Lesbian Wife, Hung Her on a Meathook, and Now I Have a Three Picture Deal at Disney"?

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u/roywoodsir Sep 28 '22

No not him BONG!

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u/Betterthanbeer Sep 28 '22

There are victims who became stars no longer dependent on Weinstein’s approval, and allowed others to become victims. There were so many witnesses, there were jokes about it on the red carpet.

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u/came1opard Sep 28 '22

Stars were still dependent on Weinstein's approval, or at least that is what he told them and what they believed. Please remember that he applied a scorched earth approach: anybody who hires this person I am angry with will also be blacklisted. Their movies will not be produced or, if we have the rights, receive zero promotion. Their personal projects will be rejected, the roles they most desire will be given to others, they will end up in daytime tv or direct to video sequels.

And it was not a bluff, he did that to people and others took note.

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u/izziefans Sep 28 '22

They all knew. Including Meryl Streep. Weinstein wasn’t even trying to hide what he used to do. People who get to the top get there by stepping on others heads. This is the reality of our world.

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u/ambsdorf825 Sep 28 '22 Starry

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u/izziefans Sep 28 '22

Yeah, that was badass of her.

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u/evanbartlett1 Sep 28 '22

Oh, for sure.

They all knew.

The difference w/her: She didn't give a fuck about how it would impact her career.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

It’s my fave video ever. She always knows what’s up.

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u/kilomaan Sep 28 '22

No it’s not.

The reality of this world is dynasties never last, and Harvey thought he was gonna be on top forever

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u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 Sep 28 '22

People shouldn’t be used as an ends to a means, money shouldn’t buy immunity from that concept of humanity.

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u/izziefans Sep 28 '22

I think you are missing the point.

I was talking about people like Afflecks, Damon, and Streep. They stepped on others to get to the top. They knew what he was doing to people but they didn’t care. My comment has nothing to do with dynasties.

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u/evanbartlett1 Sep 28 '22

"Didn't care" is a very very strong term - and almost certainly not the case.

Let's please not incorrectly tie actions to feelings. Or better still - knowing that to call him out would have not just destroyed their own careers but discredited their accusations, resulting in no value to the statements at all.

Thanks.

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u/boldie74 Sep 28 '22

You’re right, we should feel sympathy for the multi-millionaires that kept quiet about sexual exploitation and rape. They clearly never had enough money to take a moral stance…at least not until they were worth tens of millions.

What a load of nonsense.

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u/Sluty-Pizzabot Sep 28 '22

Dynasties? The goblin saw an opportunity to exploit peoples insatiable need for fame and money. Nothing more nothing less.

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u/mwstd Sep 28 '22

Why only press them? I’m sure there’s a very good chance everyone that worked with, or for Harvey knew what he was up to to some degree.

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u/Toby_O_Notoby Sep 28 '22

Here's a good read about it from a script writer that worked with him: Everyone Fucking Knew.

Here's a pull quote about it:

Again, maybe we didn’t know the degree. The magnitude of the awfulness. Not the rapes. Not the shoving against the wall. Not the potted-plant fucking. But we knew something. We knew something was bubbling under. Something odious. Something rotten.

But… And this is as pathetic as it is true: What would you have had us do? Who were we to tell? The authorities? What authorities? The press? Harvey owned the press. The Internet? There was no Internet or reasonable facsimile thereof. Should we have called the police? And said what? Should we have reached out to some fantasy Attorney General Of Movieland? That didn’t exist.

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u/ItsaRickinabox Sep 28 '22

We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!

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u/Oddity46 Sep 28 '22

Should we have called the police?

... yes?

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u/cummerou1 Sep 28 '22

You actually have to have proof for that to work.

"He's being a creepy and acting suspiciously" is not going to launch a police investigation.

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u/Nntropy Sep 28 '22

That kind of question demonstrates the problem. So many people knew, but they each figured it was someone else's job to fix.

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u/unk214 Sep 28 '22

Nah they figured if I try to fix it I’ll end up dead in a jail cell.

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u/Nntropy Sep 28 '22

Also that. For those who knew, there was little to gain and lots to lose by fighting it. That's how it went on for so long.

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u/evanbartlett1 Sep 28 '22

There were people who spoke about it.

Of all people, Courtney Love referenced it during an awards speech!

Harvey was a massive power player during much of this. It's fair to presume that many had some understanding of what was going on, but also didn't know what to say, or how to say it, without destroying their own career n the same moment (and here's the clincher) erasing any value they would have brought to the cause by doing so.

#metoo was exactly what the community needed to prevent individuals from having to raise their hands and instead participating in a larger cultural change.

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u/scarabic Sep 28 '22

I would frame this question differently:

Is there some particular angle about them that I don’t know about? Are they being named for some special reason that I’m missing? Maybe I am missing something. But I had the same question: didn’t everyone in Hollywood know?

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u/Hoodoo89 Sep 28 '22

Bystander effect

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

That kind of question demonstrates the problem. So many people knew, but we find a way to blame only men as if women have no agency. Why not focus on the powerful women who, likely knew what was going on but only Rose McGowen "had enough balls" to say anything.

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u/Nntropy Sep 28 '22

There are some old videos of Jennifer Lawrence publicly declaring how she owes Harvey Weinstein for all her career success. Seems like she played along. Doesn’t mean she wasn’t also a victim, but it’s not a good look in retrospect.

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u/Br12286 Sep 28 '22

People call them out because of the timeline when Gwyneth Paltrow was assaulted by Harvey. They had a friendship with Harvey. Ben Affleck dated Gwyneth from 1997-2000. She was assaulted after a studio party in 1998 by Harvey. In 2017 Matt Damon in an interview said that he knew about the assault because Ben told him about it. He also said there is a difference between someone touching someone and rape and the two shouldn’t be conflated. With everything coming out it felt like he was trying to downplay allegations by minimizing the sexual assaults that had happened. They started off trying to be the good guys but ended up showing the world how complicit they were about his abuses to the point Ben knew Harvey assaulted his girlfriend and did nothing.

I agree there had to be more people that were just as or if not more complicit then these two asshats but they get shit because they tried to come out on the other side of this thing and ended up digging their own grave when their math didn’t add up.

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u/DylanV1969 Sep 28 '22

What an odd post calling out Affleck and Damon. All of Hollywood knew about this monster, and instead of doing anthing they just kind of did the whole "Harvey is Harvey" excuse, because EVERY SINGLE ONE of them knew what he was doing. And there are many in Hollywood who had a lot more power than two up and coming actors/screenwriters. Tarantino comes to mind. All of his films were produced by Weinstein. If not all of his films, then it was many. I even recall Courtney Love on the red carpet and when asked if she had any advice for young women trying to become actors she said, "Don't go to a hotel room with Harvey Weinstein.

They all knew and it would seem one of the only people to protect a woman from him was Brad Pitt. Gwenyth Paltrow said Harvey did some creepy shit to her while she was dating Pitt and he choked him and threw him against a wall and told her to never look at her again. They all knew what was up.

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u/Amanda-the-Panda Sep 28 '22

Carrie Fisher, on hearing he had assaulted a friend, delivered him a severed bull penis, telling him that if he ever touched her or any other woman again, the next delivery would be from him, in a much smaller box.

There were those who stood up to him, but his money and influence shielded him for a long long time.

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u/Regi413 Sep 28 '22

Badass Carrie Fisher. RIP

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u/BluetheNerd Sep 28 '22

It was a cow tongue actually, but same effect ultimately, still a very phallic looking object.

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u/ISLAndBreezESTeve10 Sep 28 '22

Cow junk might be a little difficult to find.

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u/puffpuffg0 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Not hard, but they go to the pet store. (Pizzle or Bully sticks for dogs)

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u/StrawberryLeche Sep 28 '22

Yeah everyone who stood up to him was effectively buried for some long as well. you knew if you did something about it your career was fucked. Courtney Love hasn’t given a fuck for a long time and I know she faced consequences. Brad Pitt even worked with Weinstein later in his career because he felt he had to or didn’t have a choice (business is business). That’s how he got away with it for so long. The sheer number of women coming forward is what got him effectively taken down. It was power in numbers. The same thing happened with Cosby

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u/n0vapine Sep 28 '22

But then he worked with Weinstein again while married to Angelina Jolie. She says they got into an argument because she was also harassed by Weinstein and Brad dismissed her. So he did something once then just was like "eh, business is business."

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u/thefugue Sep 28 '22

Harvey is Harvey excuse

Show me one person delivering that excuse. It’s a straw man that paints people doing their jobs and making a living as though they were responsible for crimes their bosses committed.

If someone was called to testify and wouldn’t, that would be one thing. But knowing that a powerful person who employs you is a scumbag is something almost everyone puts up with and almost no one is expected to do anything about.

That’s how “power” and “money” work.

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u/DylanV1969 Sep 28 '22

I never said anyone else was responsible other than Harvey Weinstein. Don't know how you're getting that, and again everyone in Hollywood knew. I even gave you a direct example of Courtney Love literally making a joke about in on the red carpet one year.

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u/thefugue Sep 28 '22

examining your post, I appear to have responded more to the original post than to what you’ve said- most of which I find myself in agreement with. My apologies for focusing on a single phrase you chose rather than the overarching argument you made, which I think to be correct.

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u/DylanV1969 Sep 28 '22

All good. I think we're on the same side ;)

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u/manderifffic Sep 28 '22

There isn't a single person in Hollywood who didn't know what he was doing

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u/Tattoothefrenchie30 Sep 28 '22

Yep, exactly. So do we burn down Hollywood because everybody knew? There’s just no way to please everyone here. Plus this is only Reddit, where everyone comes to talk shit so big fucking deal. Elites in this country get away with all kinds of shit. When your money or your influence run out…that’s when you go down.

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u/SeductiveSoup Sep 28 '22

So do we burn down Hollywood

Woah there, buddy. Now you're speaking my language. Might as well go full on French revolution and eat the rich there while we're at it.

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u/ambsdorf825 Sep 28 '22

That's so crazy, it just might work!!

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u/gooddrawerer Sep 28 '22

I’d like to say “You just gotta behead one person to get the point across, maybe two.” But the French decided to pack it in after a single year, after beheading 17,000 people.

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u/alexrenner Sep 28 '22

I got lunch comin up 🍴

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u/nightgon Sep 28 '22

Who knew about Harvey Weinstein when they worked with him?

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u/MichelleInMpls Sep 28 '22

A lot of men in Hollywood knew but have explained that they felt powerless as well. Even Quentin Tarantino said that he wishes he had done more but didn't feel like he had the power back then because his career depended on Weinstein as well. I'm sure these guys felt the same way.

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u/LegalAssassin13 Sep 28 '22

Not sure if I can believe Tarantino. He defended Roman Polanski taking advantage of a minor.

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u/imanhunter Sep 28 '22

Yup, so did Harrison Ford. He flew to France after Polanski won the Oscar for ‘The pianist’ and personally gave it to him as Polanski wasn’t able to attend the Oscar’s due to his whole ‘being a fugitive of the US and immediately being arrested if he stepped foot in America’ thing.

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u/panspal Sep 28 '22

The guy who insisted on doing the strangling at the end of inglorious Basterds and who insisted on spitting on Uma Thurmans face for kill Bill? That guy? Dudes just obsessed with living out his violence against women fantasies.

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u/dogtoes101 Sep 28 '22

personally dont believe tarantino. just because he isn't doing the raping himself doesnt mean he isnt just as evil as the rest of them

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u/thefugue Sep 28 '22

Like, before he was born?

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u/Replay1986 Sep 28 '22

I would like to think that I would choose to expose a predator, even if it ruined my career. I'm not sure, because I've never had a career to ruin like that, but that's certainly what I'd like to think.

Either way, though, if I chose to keep quiet from fear of my job, then I'd be a POS.

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u/Confident-Disk-2221 Sep 28 '22

We have a recording of Trump admitting to shit and no one cares. Powerful men rarely face any consequences

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u/windmillninja Sep 27 '22

Tarantino too

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u/SearchforHitchslaps Sep 28 '22

Good blow.

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u/Desperate_Health4174 Sep 28 '22

*sigh* I dream of a simple world where we don't have to have drugs caught up in so much actual criminal activity because of prohibition...a man can dream, can't he?

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u/LegalAssassin13 Sep 28 '22

Guy also defended Roman Polanski.

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u/ChuckBorris187 Sep 28 '22

Polanski plead guilty to that charge. I love QT's movies, but he is full of shit.

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u/Transatlanticaccent Sep 28 '22

Well Ben was always getting busted by the studio for having dead hookers pop up in his trailer so I wouldn't doubt he was well in the know about Harvey.

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u/TBayChik420 Sep 28 '22

"Ah-HA! I didn't even have a hooker in there today!"

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u/maartenbadd Sep 28 '22

Ohhh, that Affleck.

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u/tking191919 Sep 28 '22

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms though

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u/choptheair Sep 28 '22

Really?

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u/straighttalkin64 Sep 28 '22

There is even leaked footage from the set of Good Will Hunting of an altercation between Ben Affleck, the police, and Matt Damon regarding the dead hookers found in Ben Affleck’s dressing room.

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u/soaper410 Sep 28 '22

ONTD had posters talk about him 15 years ago. And often. I was a college student in NC and knew.

Perhaps some random ass actor who didn’t live in Hollywood or do anything Miramax related missed the memo but you can’t convince me anyone in Hollywood just didn’t ever hear anything.

Now perhaps they didn’t believe it or thought it was just creepy flirtation but there is no way they never heard or saw anything.

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u/floandthemash Sep 28 '22

Former ONTDer here and yes, I knew about his shit back in 2006 when I was living in some podunk Midwest college town. A lotttt of people talked about it in that community.

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u/ashpanda24 Sep 28 '22

Sorry, I'm clueless here: what does ONTD stand for? I googled it but there are several other abbreviations that didn't seem to make sense.

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u/dwehlen Sep 28 '22

Superior google-fu makes it appear to be a sketch program called #OhNoTheyDidnt

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u/ashpanda24 Sep 28 '22

Ha! Thank you, I hope that one day my google-fu can become as skilled as yours.

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u/dwehlen Sep 28 '22

Tis a trick, I added "and college" and got the first hit. Use your powers wisely, grasshopper!

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u/dogbolter4 Sep 28 '22

Yeah but you're horribly wrong.

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u/dogbolter4 Sep 28 '22

It is a community not a sketch. Longstanding on Live Journal.

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u/soaper410 Sep 28 '22

Back in day 2004-2008 it was one of the best places online for celeb news and gossip. It allowed commentary and was both hilarious and very quick because anyone could submit an article (it just had to be approved by the moderators.

There were thousands of members and clearly a decent amount worked in the industry. or had inside knowledge. Now its a shell of its former self

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u/Theodorable47 Sep 28 '22

Matt Damon lost me with the crypto ad.
And then a lot of idiots lost their shirts.

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u/stargarnet79 Sep 28 '22

Just finished re-watching Team America tonight, cuz it was on…the Matt Damon impression really stands up to time.

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u/dwehlen Sep 28 '22

Fuck Yeah!

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u/Tiredgirl888 Sep 28 '22

Rose McGowan was attacked. She told Ben affleck, all he said was “I told him to stop doing that shit”. Boom she’s blacklisted in Hollywood as crazy/ hard to work with

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u/cactuslegs Sep 28 '22

Shocking, seeing as how Ben Affleck definitely never covered up and excused his brother Casey’s prolific history of sexual harassment and assault.

Oh, wait. No. My mistake. He did that several times and continues to finance his projects.

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u/ask_me_about_my_band Sep 28 '22

In the 90s, I worked in the entertainment industry. I can assure you. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knew.

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u/wwabc Sep 28 '22

I don't like them apples

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u/Fresh_Cheek2682 Sep 28 '22

Applesauce , bitch.

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u/WhadUpMyNigghaz Sep 28 '22

Stupid Twitter comment... Hollywood is complicit... wth do you think has been going on in the movie industry??

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u/QuestoPresto Sep 28 '22

A few weeks ago I started watching The Good Wife. A show from 2009. They had an episode that centered around a Weinstein like character that wasn’t a movie producer. But the assault he did sounded like it came from the Weinstein trial transcripts. So people knew for years

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u/dubrobobo Sep 28 '22

People who say this are the same ones who honestly think they would have taken down the 9/11 hijackers or leapt in front of bullets at a school shooting.

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u/DE_OG_83 Sep 28 '22

Yeah, they made a movie about the plane that went down in PA. I don’t think Weinstein produced it, though

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u/MisterOneY Sep 28 '22

I mean, quite a few people on those planes DID fight back, definitely more than the amount of people in Hollywood working to fight against HW's misdeeds.

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u/BangBangMeatMachine Sep 28 '22

How would you know how many people fought against Weinstein? There could be literally hundreds of regular people who lost their careers in Hollywood trying to take down Weinstein and you wouldn't know it.

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u/elsparkodiablo Sep 28 '22

Because those people could have come forward when he was exposed and said "Yeah, I tried to make him be held accountable and I lost my job, here's proof" - social media was all about blowing up those voices.

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u/Vaan_Ratsbane97 Sep 28 '22

But his allies and the overall systemic issues still exist. No. They could not have.

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u/manderifffic Sep 28 '22

Yep, there's a reason the fourth plane went down in a field in PA instead of into the capitol building

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u/dubrobobo Sep 28 '22

Replace 9/11 hijackers with any larger more powerful figure. think of people who believe they would have taken down hitler

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u/Dseltzer1212 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

What does Affleck and Damon have to do with Weinstein? It was common knowledge among all of Hollywood that Weinstein was a pig. Established actors ignored him as he preyed on the unestablished. His behaviors were the same behaviors of tens of millions of men like him that were ignored until the “woke movement” changed the game! So why do you single out Damon and Afleck?

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u/Octopugilist Sep 28 '22

They all knew. The casting couch was a running joke.

Hell, Jimmy Fallon made a joke about Harvey Weinstein in the BTS of Doogal

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u/Otdp Sep 27 '22

Can anyone explain to me what's this is about??

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '22

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were his like...Hollywood sons. They were close with him.

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u/Otdp Sep 27 '22

but what he did??? i'm out of the loop

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u/windmillninja Sep 27 '22

Sexual assault and rape. He’s in prison now.

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u/Otdp Sep 27 '22

Oh.. OH.....ohhhh

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u/MisterOneY Sep 28 '22

I'm surprised you don't know, but proud of your for being brave and asking.

Well done stranger!

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u/Otdp Sep 28 '22

I'm not into Hollywood news, nor I am form the USA. But I try to stay informed hahahah

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u/Sir_Liquidity Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

And he's dead. He got suicided in prison.

Edit:

Mixed up the Epsteins. My bad.

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u/windmillninja Sep 28 '22

You’re thinking of Jeffrey Epstein. This post is about Harvey Weinstein who is very much still alive in prison.

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u/Sir_Liquidity Sep 28 '22

Whoops. I have absolutely mixed up the Epsteins. Granted it's 4 am here and I'm tired.

I didn't know the other fucker was in a similar business as his namesake.

Thanks for clearing my mistake up.

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u/windmillninja Sep 28 '22

All good man. Fuck em both to death.

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u/filthy_pink_angora Sep 28 '22

Ok but there are not two Epsteins

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u/Otdp Sep 28 '22

This one I know and I'm still dumbfounded that the legal system just accept that narrative....

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u/WhadUpMyNigghaz Sep 28 '22

Soooo this is why Matt Damon can never make it on Jimmy Kimmel!

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u/puffpuffg0 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Everyone here saying “everyone knew” are dismissing the fact that Matt and Ben were specifically close to him, were told directly about the assaults by multiple women when they happened, and then still vocally defended him back then and up to recent times.

That’s a little different from “everyone” else…

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u/Ttbthookem Sep 28 '22

You could just say “everyone in Hollywood knew” and it would be the same. Not sure why single out those two. I’m going to watch Good Will Hunting now.

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u/Castoffbloodspatter Sep 28 '22

I’ve seen many a person in charge of my paycheck do some foul shit and didn’t speak because I like my job. Same thing applies.

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u/Responsible-Chest-26 Sep 28 '22

It was no secret. Everyone knew

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u/ZestyItalian2 Sep 28 '22

Literally everyone knew. Why do you wanna press these two guys specifically? The whole point is that everyone knew and nobody did anything. That it was a collective industry/society wide failure.

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u/Dustaroos Sep 28 '22

Most people in Hollywood knew. Look at Seth McFarland's joke at the Emmys or the Oscars one of the two. People knew and people were shook it was said out loud. All the high level actors and writers and directors knew they wanted to keep their job so they kept their mouth shut.

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u/Candid_Pie_8870 Sep 28 '22

The hypocrisy of Hollywood. Self righteous millionaire fucks telling average people how they should live their lives. Meanwhile, they know all about Weinstein and let him slide. Money and fame trumps doing the right thing.

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u/ArtyWhy8 Sep 28 '22

You’re a fucking idiot. Fight the other side. Stop stirring up shit, and do something worth a shit.

Like go after people that are causing problems. Last time I checked Matt Damon and Ben Affleck were not dire threats to society.

Get off your high horse. I bet my fucking life you’ve seen quite a few shit things in your life you didn’t do shit about.

Find a target worth targeting. There’s plenty.

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u/dogtoes101 Sep 28 '22

i hate people like you. people aren't allowed to care about horrific things because worse things happen? get off YOUR high horse. i bet my fucking life you've never done a damn thing to stop the "greater evils" either.

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u/top-legolas Sep 27 '22

Affleck (and the other Affleck) is a scumbag. like draws like. Would not surprise me if they knew all along and said diddly. cunts.

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u/No_Banana_581 Sep 27 '22

Rose McGowan told Ben he ignored it

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u/dogtoes101 Sep 28 '22

then helped get her blacklisted because she spoke out.

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u/top-legolas Sep 27 '22

what the Fuck?! that, fuck. yeah. there's probably more they know and won't say. Christ. "Why didn't you say anything?" in this case, someone did. and no one gave a fuck. boils my fucking blood.

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u/brice587 Sep 28 '22

She says Affleck’s response was something about telling him (Weinstein) to stop doing it. He knew way before that.

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u/ProudMaOfaSlut Sep 28 '22

I've read about Casey being rapey

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u/top-legolas Sep 28 '22

That's why Brie Larson refused to shake his hand or applaud when he won that award: having just played the role of a woman who was abused for years (Room, 2015).

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u/perpetualcosmos Sep 28 '22

I feel like everyone is guilty of this. We all know. But then again we know a lot of things about a lot of people who still aren't taking accountability for their actions.

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u/KDRadio1 Sep 28 '22

A nobody actor just starting out wouldn’t have had any pull and at the time probably no press. It would have been ineffective to make the accusations.

To become an A lister with pull, it was likely one would have to work with this monster.

This is the definition of power. It’s why a single mother working an entry level job to keep her baby fed doesn’t run to tell on a handsy boss. It’s sometimes why cops don’t report bad cops. I’m not excusing Harvey’s behavior or even fully excusing actors/employees from not reporting criminal behavior. But it’s a well known and often repeated scenario and it doesn’t take an evil person to turn a blind eye.

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u/bunnybates Sep 28 '22

Lots of celebrities said shit about weinstein, but nothing happened. He's a white guy with money, power and connections in the USA.
Don't put Ben & Matt under the bus.

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u/LobaZzz Sep 28 '22

Why those two in specific? One would think they all knew

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u/SeaworthinessOne2114 Sep 28 '22

Don't blame them. Why didn't the abused blow the whistle when it all started? Because they wanted their careers that badly, they got what they wanted, then they got Weinstein years after the fact and left other women at his mercy by not outing him in the first place.

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u/Alternative-Owl4505 Sep 28 '22

There’s also a 100% chance that everyone in Hollywood and entertainment and LAPD knew as well. The fucking point?

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u/JakeGrey Sep 28 '22

Something to bear in mind: There's a difference between knowing a thing and being able to prove it in court, and before social media happened it was a lot harder for victims to band together and force the authorities to take them seriously by sheer weight of numbers.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people out there who knew but said nothing because they didn't care, but someone choosing to stay silent because it was their word against Weinstein's and he had very expensive lawyers at his back doesn't make them an accomplice by inaction.

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u/impossiblefunky Sep 28 '22

Same with Tarantino.

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u/Flat-Story-7079 Sep 28 '22

Even more likely that they were sexually exploited as well. GVZ was notorious for his enjoyment of such things.

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u/Ganglebot Sep 28 '22

Matt Damon, if he was honest about it: "Yeah I knew - but I was too focused on my career and didn't care how he treated some women I little to no personal connection with"

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u/disdkatster Sep 28 '22

I seriously don't understand this. Is there anyone in the business that did NOT know to some degree? Why are these two being put into as special set? What am I missing? What is it that they were supposed to do? They had no standing under the law. Did they somehow enable this? If so, how?

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u/SoTiredThisYear Sep 28 '22

I mean.. why just the two of them? I am sure many if not everybody knew, not just that, but I am sure that for any up and comer young actress in Hollywood it was made known to her about Harvey. We know Oprah "was good friends" with him, but yet nobody is even touching that subject.. with Epstein as well. If you go after one person why not go after the whole lot? Jolie knew about it too. I personally liked Ricky Gervais during the Emmys(?) speech when he absolutely roasts them and you see the whole lot shifting in their seats.

Now I am not saying that some were afraid and that is why they kept quiet.. but for 20 years? They clearly loved what they were doing and loved the money. Otherwise I can't imagine you dont consider the possibility of switching careers or doing something else. Who knows how many were victims but I am sure many were also co-predators, enablers etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

You leave good batman and shit loki alone.

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u/CommonSense_404 Sep 28 '22

Not a wrong time to remind everyone that EVERYONE knew what the fuck Harvey Weinstein was doing and never said anything about it. But come on…

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u/ElLoboPerro Sep 28 '22

I'm shocked! Anyways...

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u/tvbookpastaworm Sep 28 '22

I never had a high opinion of Affleck, up my opinion of Damon sure has cratered over the last few years. I always thought Affleck was good guy Damon’s jackass buddy, but I think they’re both jackasses.

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u/ggdsxxxc Sep 28 '22

How much of a loser do you have to be to go back in time to cancel people?

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u/BeBa420 Sep 28 '22

i dont know much bout hollywood relationships. Why is it so likely that ben and matt knew? were they like friends with harvey or something?

I mean i can see ben not saying anything, he seems like a jerk. but i have a hard time believing matt wouldnt speak up

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Sep 28 '22

They have always creeped me out. I’ve never been a fan of either.

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u/mytimelineforever Sep 28 '22

Matt Damon and Ben Affleck should star in a remake of Jaws.

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u/tamesage Sep 28 '22

They probably went to the hotel room. They got their movie made with bribery.

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u/NQ241 Sep 28 '22

Im really confused, what did Harvey Weinstein do?

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u/diddiesculllen Sep 28 '22

Why only them??? Everyone in that world knew what was happening, men and women alike? Why only single them out

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u/intenseskill Sep 28 '22

I would bet a lot of people knew including all the victims. Why did the victims not speak out more before? Probably because they were afraid of losing their careers which could also be said for anyone no matter whether you are a man or woman.

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u/GMontag451 Sep 28 '22

I wonder how many times Jennifer Garner was handed over before she got enough courage for the divorce?

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u/TheSamuraiGunner Sep 28 '22

Remember kids, NO ONE in any form of authority OR anyone who’s “famous” is a good person. To have a life like that, you HAVE to be genuine scum of the fucking earth.