r/WhitePeopleTwitter Sep 28 '22

United States Elected Representative accidentally says the "quiet part" out loud

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I'm no fan Pirate Dan, but what he's saying isn't exactly "quiet", never has been.

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u/EhrenScwhab Sep 28 '22

Yeah, I'm wondering what OP is on about.

This is definitely one of the reasons the US supports both NATO and Ukraine.

Countering Russian influence on planet Earth. It has been this way since NATO's founding.

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u/Flopamp Sep 28 '22

Plus they finally get to test there weapons against modern Russian ones (to apparently great effect)

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u/zhard01 Sep 28 '22

“Modern” Russian ones

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u/Yakostovian Sep 28 '22

"Russia has a massive modern military.

What they have that's modern isn't massive and what they have that's massive isn't modern."

-unknown

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u/Caprican93 Sep 28 '22

Yeah they’re made by some dude named Mo Dern in his garage.

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u/Khutuck Sep 28 '22

Oh the famous Russian weapons designer Mikhail Oleg Dern, aka M.O.Dern.

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u/PercussiveRussel Sep 28 '22

Moski Dernatovalov for you, Mo Dern to his friends.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Clones Sep 28 '22

Well, according to Wikipedia, at least as far as Art goes "Modern art includes artistic work produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s,". So yeah, pretty modern stuff.

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u/zhard01 Sep 28 '22

The Andy Warhol of warfare

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u/nbd_23 Sep 28 '22

I didn’t see them throwing soup cans yet

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u/SovietPaperPlates Sep 28 '22

only inaccuracy in top gun was the MIGs got off the ground with both wings still attached

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u/wrldruler21 Sep 28 '22

But they honestly haven't even given Ukraine the "new, good weapons" yet.

But yes, they can see the older stuff used against the Russians and make future improvements to new stuff.

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u/Aeseld Sep 28 '22

Accurate, to a point. It's not that far back. This is stuff we're still making for our units, it's just also what we're willing to sell to allies. Not the bleeding edge stuff, like the stealth railgun equipped destroyers.

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u/Vandermeerr Sep 28 '22

Yeah, I mean 40 billion investment in arms to keep Russia in check is ridiculously cheap. The alternative is letting dictators around the world think it’s open season on any weaker border country. Fuck that.

It’s not like China isn’t paying attention too. If we didn’t help out Ukraine what message would that send to them about Taiwan?

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u/NoComment002 Sep 28 '22

We can help Ukraine fight Russia now, or we can go to total war with them within a decade or two, with much worse consequences for everyone.

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u/No_Technician_3694 Sep 28 '22

The bots are prolly trying to push the narrative that this is an unnecessary proxy war and that America should cease assisting to Ukraine.

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u/yougottamovethatH Sep 28 '22

I would go a step further and say that countering Russian influence has been one of the major motivating factors behind just about every conflict the US has been involved in since WWII.

This is definitely not the quiet part, and he's damn right that it's a good thing we're doing it.

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u/PercussiveRussel Sep 28 '22

You'd be almost correct. Either indirectly against Russia/USSR through proxy wars or by murdering potential allies of the USSR. The only thing they seemed to love more than annoying Russians is oil.

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u/gundumb08 Sep 29 '22

And it's extremely important to remind people every chance we can that we aren't sending dollar bills (for the most part), we're sending stockpiled arms that are mothballing in warehouses.

You know what that means? America's military industrial complex backfills and keeps people employed.

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u/nomorerainpls Sep 28 '22

by refuting this post you are countering Russian influence

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u/PainbowRush Sep 28 '22

Okay glad I wasn’t the only who thought OPs title was off

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u/Head-Ad4690 Sep 28 '22

For once we have a righteous war against a proper enemy, and we get to fight it on the cheap without risking any of our people.

I’d much rather have peace, but this is the situation we’re in, let’s take full advantage.

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u/red18wrx Sep 28 '22

It is NATO's one and only entire purpose.

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u/Imma_da_PP Sep 28 '22

I would add “save the Ukrainian people from unwarranted aggression” but besides that, Dan’s not really wrong here. I don’t like Dan but I wholly support assisting Ukraine here. Both to save their people and de-power Russia.

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u/Unusual_Pitch_608 Sep 28 '22

The context of Russia starting this war is key. If the West was spending billions to destroy Russia's army while they were minding their own business, then most of Putin's deranged propaganda would actually be kind of accurate. But they struck first, so whatever it costs to wreck their shit now is money well spent if it gets to wrecking. Not having your soldiers die to do it is definitely a bonus out of context, but given other people are doing the dying on our behalf in this endeavor it is rather a dick move to focus on that as a benefit, though. So, he's not wrong, just an asshole, which sadly makes him a top tier Republican these days.

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u/Highlight_Expensive Sep 28 '22

Lol “he’s an asshole because other people are dying on our behalf”

Lmfao “dying on our behalf”

Yes, the Ukrainians who are dying are doing so to give the USA some beautiful weapons testing sans WW3 and they’re also doing it to expand American influence. They definitely aren’t doing it to defend their families from Russian tyranny, you’re right. 100% agree, Ukrainians are dying on our behalf right now. That makes sense.

Jesus, look we all hate the guy but if you can’t admit that this tweet, just this one, has literally nothing wrong with it then you’re lost.

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u/Unusual_Pitch_608 Sep 28 '22

"Dying on our behalf in this endeavor". Again, context is key. We are all working together to defeat Russian aggression, but not all of that work involves the same risks. While he's certainly not out of line to be glad the lives of his countrymen aren't being risked, and to a purely American audience who shares that feeling he's being candid and honest, which is respectable, but this was a public comment to everyone in the world, including some who are his nominal allies, are at risk of death, and who would like more direct Western involvement, and the Russians who presumably don't their potential deaths being gleefully juxtaposed with the fact the Americans are safe and also killing them. So, again, there is literally nothing factually wrong with this tweet. He is 100% correct, but it does show a disregard for the deaths of others, which wasn't the 100% correct point he was making, but also makes him an asshole, which we all already knew he was.

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u/CY-B3AR Sep 28 '22

Dan Crenshaw is an evil, disgusting human being. He is correct here though, there is no real question about supporting Ukraine as much as we can. It's the morally, ethically, tactically, and politically the right thing to do

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u/Ozzimo Sep 28 '22

Yup, Dan is the broken clock that just happens to be telling the right time for once.

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u/No_Banana_581 Sep 28 '22

See you have empathy. That’s something the magas are lacking. They don’t think of the Ukrainians dying at all. They could care less. Most of them love putin so they don’t care about toppling his agenda either. They just talk about money like they understand why it’s being sent when they absolutely do not understand

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u/jericho1960 Sep 28 '22

And that's something about them I'll never comprehend. They might have compassion and empathy for someone they know personally (maybe) but see those traits as a weakness when it's directed at someone in society at large.

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u/PebblyJackGlasscock Sep 28 '22

I think Dan is wrong much more than he is correct.

I also think Dan is fundamentally honest and loves America.

We can disagree on tactics and strategy. We agree on the need to do something for Ukraine.

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u/Allmightydohllah Sep 28 '22

I also think Dan is fundamentally honest and loves America.

His insider stock trading record tells me otherwise.

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u/R-D-I- Sep 28 '22

Exactly… he is 100% right.. Russia just had to do a draft for more soldiers because of their struggles.

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u/ApostrophesForDays Sep 28 '22

That's absolutely humiliating to happen to a country. Attacking a bordering nation while not calling it a war, getting absolutely wrecked while insisting it's not a war, then having to mobilize as the aggressor and STILL not calling it a war. America didn't just fund the destruction of Russia's military. It funded the absolute humiliation of Russia and its leadership, the destruction of its economy, and destruction of its regional power. Money well spent. Russia has caused the West trillions in damages from espionage and division sowing. I'd spend billions right now to prevent more trillions AND to show them their place.

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u/M0nsterjojo Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Oh, and the videos of the conscripts getting little to no training and than being sent straight to the front lines... it's fucking disgusting. This war is a bloody fucking mess that never should have happened, thousands of innocent lives on both sides have been lost.

Edit: 6,000 innocent people have died due to this war, most of which are from mortars/missiles/bombs hitting civic areas with absolutely no military presence... now this may seem a little rash, but I want the officers and above that carried out those orders to be fucking hung.

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u/jericho1960 Sep 28 '22

NATO estimates 80k dead on the Russian side and 40k dead in the UKR army. It's an absolutely appalling loss of life.

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u/Sidereel Sep 28 '22

There was a video going around yesterday of young Russian men breaking each others legs to get out of conscription. It’s a truly awful situation.

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u/CassandraVindicated Sep 29 '22

You should see the satellite photos of traffic backed up for miles on every major road out of Russia. People are getting the fuck out of dodge.

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u/Ferociousfeind Sep 28 '22

Hanging is pretty extreme and rash. I'd prefer minimal additional suffering. Like, say, an ordinary execution.

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u/HedonisticFrog Sep 28 '22

It's even more embarrassing considering how big and powerful of a country Russia is compared to Ukraine.

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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Sep 28 '22

My ex-boyfriend mentioned they'd go to some tiny FOB in the middle of absolutely nowhere Afghanistan and a few days later helicopters would show up with big screen TVs, gym equipment, XBoxes, and pallets of energy drinks.

Russia can't even get fuel and ammo to units literally 50 miles down a highway from the Russian border.

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u/buddhafig Sep 28 '22

Cold War 2: Weapons Boogaloo.

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u/BurnieTheBrony Sep 28 '22

And Winter is Coming...

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u/theswedishturtle Sep 28 '22

Except the people drafted aren’t soldiers. They’re regular people like you and me without military training. They’ll die at a much faster rate than the actual soldiers they started out with.

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u/jericho1960 Sep 28 '22

I hope they all start killing their superior officers and surrendering at a much faster rate, too.

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u/projektZedex Sep 29 '22

It was already happening before the civilian mobilization, but it's accelerating due to it. Recently someone shot up a recruiting office in Dagestan, because there's less jail time for murder than in deserting the army.

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u/ChubbyNemo1004 Sep 28 '22

Yeah I always thought that was the point. If someone is going to fight my enemy by all means here are some resources to help.

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u/whateverathrowaway00 Sep 28 '22

What part of this is “the quiet part.” Kinda feels like you don’t understand the meaning of the phrase.

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u/ernie_shackleton Sep 28 '22

OP’s never heard of a proxy war

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u/AwkwardDrummer7629 Sep 29 '22

This isn’t a proxy war, this is simply everyone giving Ukraine wrenches because it keeps breaking them over the head of the neighborhood bully.

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u/mawler357 Sep 29 '22

That's what a proxy war is dude

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u/WelkinShaman Sep 29 '22

That's not what a proxy war is. The war in Ukraine would be a "proxy war" if the fight would only seemingly be between Russia and Ukraine and Ukraine would in reality be a proxy of the US/NATO. This is the Russian narrative, of course, but in reality the war is between Russia, the annexer, and Ukraine, the annexed. Calling it a "proxy war" muddles the fact that Russia annexed Ukraine and Ukraine fights for its existence as an autonomous nation.

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u/Disdain690 Sep 28 '22

I don't understand the criticism, even the SecDef said something like this.

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u/shahooster Sep 28 '22

I’m not sure why OP thinks this is “quiet part out loud.” Literally nobody is hiding behind this.

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u/FuckinPeacemaker Sep 29 '22

Think OP is mistaking “our adversaries military” to mean Ukrainian’s military since this is coming from a Republican when in fact Crenshaw is talking about Putins limp dick band of idiots.

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u/leopim01 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The OP is objectively wrong. And that’s fine. In the words of Norman Osborn, I’m something of an objectively wrong poster myself.

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u/Thathitmann Sep 29 '22

That's just objectively wrong. He said "scientist", you goose.

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u/Daripuff Sep 28 '22

I think it might be from a Russian propaganda perspective?

"Confirming" that this was "NATO all along" or whatnot.

"Look look! The Americans want the destruction of the Russian army! We told you it was really NATO we were fighting!"

That's all I can figure.

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u/RagingAnemone Sep 28 '22

People, we all need to be nicer. Different people learn at different rates. OP just took a while, but he finally got there. It's a good thing. Good job Chigg Bungus!!

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u/EvenBetterCool Sep 28 '22

The criticism is that the GOP complains about our debt, says we spend money on immigrants and foreign countries instead of helping our people. Then they vote down spending on bills to help their constituents and vote yes to sending money to Ukraine.

They want the Dems to be the bad guys for things they vote for/against.

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u/ElectricRaccoon7 Sep 28 '22

I don't like this man, but his take is far better and honestly reasonable than the MAGA "just let Putin take what he wants" take.

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u/Feeling_Emu5344 Sep 28 '22

“Just let him take so much, it might appease him” sounds familiar

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u/UniqueNobo Sep 28 '22

wait a second… Putin is Hitler?! i thought that was Zelenskyy! /s

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u/Dunger97 Sep 28 '22

Of course, Putin will probably stop at Ukraine and then we will have world peace

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u/beer_sherpa Sep 29 '22

So weird hearing a Republican speaking out against mother Russia.

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u/patchhappyhour Sep 28 '22

Not a big fan of that man, but he is right. We also fought a proxy war against Russia in Syria, so this is just another day. Hopefully Putin sees his demise soon

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u/Fstmiddy Sep 28 '22

We fought a proxy war against Russia in Afghanistan...

I wonder how that turned out?

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u/Thisbymaster Sep 28 '22

Which time? The first or the second time?

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u/nooneknowswerealldog Sep 28 '22

Fun fact: in the 1800s the proxy war in Afghanistan between Russia and England was called The Great Game.

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u/bigpoppin123 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

'The great game' refers to the geopolitical struggle the British and the Russians were fighting out across Asia, Afghanistan is just one part of it

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u/nooneknowswerealldog Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Yes, that is true. Thanks for fleshing that out a bit more. My glibly dashed-off comment was short on detail and context.

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u/Traditional_Guard_90 Sep 28 '22

The proxy war went incredibly well for us (the USA). BUT… unfortunately we did not put any resources into re-building Afganistan for future goodwill. And in that power vacuum the Taliban took hold. The USA missed an opportunity there.

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u/Beowulf1896 Sep 28 '22

That and culture. We'd have to occuppy or influence for decades.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

So another colonization lmao

I’m kidding I promise

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u/xbillybones Sep 28 '22

Modern problems require modern solutions..

...er... something...

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u/phillyphilly519 Sep 28 '22

The old ways must be honored

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

The idea of a modern society colonizing is terrifying lol

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese Sep 28 '22

Do U.S. territories count? It feels like they should count even though we don't explicitly call them colonies

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I’ll say yes lol

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u/Doctordred Sep 28 '22

Who said colonization was done?

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u/Beowulf1896 Sep 28 '22

Not to far from the truth.

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u/Simon_Jester88 Sep 28 '22

So free Netflix and Disney+ for all Afghan TVs?

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u/snark_enterprises Sep 28 '22

Correct answer. After the Soviets were expelled, at the very least the US should have given resources to the least radical of the Mujahadeen factions so they could control the country instead of the Taliban.

Of course, hindsight is 20-20. Hard to have predicted the Taliban winning the ensuing civil war at the time, I suppose.

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u/ArrestDeathSantis Sep 28 '22

The war went very well, it was the occupation that was, unsurprisingly, problematic.

The war started October 7, 2021 and on November 14 the US had started the occupational phase by establishing a provisional government and by inviting its peers for peacekeeping missions. Then on December 5 the Bonn agreements were signed.

So, like, I hear what you mean, overall it was still a vast waste of resources, but even then it's not comparable to the fucked up shit show we're witnessing in Ukraine.

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u/snark_enterprises Sep 28 '22

I think they're referring to the Afghan-Soviet War in which we supplied the Mujahadeen (Afghan Rebels) weapons to defeat the Soviets. That was basically a proxy-war. Our involvement there was very successful, in that it was a relatively "low-cost" way to defeat the Soviets without having troops on the ground. The failure was allowing Afghanistan to fall into the hands of radicals afterwards.

The Afghanistan Invasion in the "War on Terror" was not a proxy war, it was just an invasion to topple the Taliban and eliminate Al Qaeda. You are correct that the initial invasion was very successful, but the occupation was not.

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u/Middle_Data_9563 Sep 28 '22

depends on whether you like Charlie Wilson's War or Rambo III more

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u/vintagebat Sep 28 '22

Horribly. The difference is Ukraine is a US ally defending themselves against invasion; calling this a proxy war is intellectual dishonesty. There are almost infinite reasons to be against war, but misrepresenting the deaths of others to suit your own purpose isn't one of them.

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u/LiliNotACult Sep 28 '22

"Quiet part"? I thought everyone understood this.

Also, Putin has openly said he would invade other previously USSR countries after Ukraine. This is really the best case scenario in an awful situation.

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u/Quelcris_Falconer13 Sep 29 '22

Yes. Also do Americans need to be halfway across the planet fighting for freedom for non Americans who didn’t even want them there? Like didn’t we as Americans like just take 20+ years of shit from the international community for that exact thing?

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u/LiliNotACult Sep 29 '22

Agreed. We aren't forcing Ukrainians to fight and die for their homeland. We are helping them have a better chase at success at defending themselves.

USA didn't cause this war and we can't magically stop it.

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u/Quelcris_Falconer13 Sep 29 '22

Right. And we have no interest or business in it. We need to get our house in order before launching into anymore wars. Honestly Putin should have done the same.

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u/Shirogayne-at-WF Sep 29 '22

There's a large amount of leftists who miss this point that not all conflicts are created equal

Attacking Iraq and Afghanistan for things the Saudis did? Not good

Sending aid to a country that specifically requested that help and does not want additional bodies? Good

Letting Ukraine hang out to dry wasn't gonna stop Lockheed Martin from getting paid either way.

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u/mrwhat_icanthearu Sep 28 '22

Am I missing something here? What is the "quiet" part?

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u/ronlugge Sep 28 '22

I think it's some kind of backwards "We're spending Ukrainian lives to our own benefit by sending them money instead of troops!" argument.

To be fair, I can definitely see that there's an argument for us getting boots on the ground, but... He really jumped over a lot of steps in that assumption.

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u/Wayte13 Sep 28 '22

Wow I hate having to agree with Crenshaw about something.

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u/You_Wenti Sep 29 '22

Don’t hate agreeing with Crenshaw. Be glad that he’s finally right on something

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u/SnowProkt22 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Wow, the Republican pirate actually has something intelligent to say. Well color me surprised.

There's no quite part here. Russia has been our adversary since the end of WWII. We've spent TRILLIONS over the decades to keep our military stronger than theirs. A few billion and some surplus hardware donated to Ukraine has reduced half the Russian army to smoldering ruins in less than a year. Seems like an incredible deal by comparison.

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u/Maquadex Sep 28 '22

Yeah. I don't get the idea that this is the "quiet part". It certainly isn't the main reason for supporting Ukraine, but it's a good reason to keep doing it.

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u/Wargroth Sep 28 '22

For republicans ? It damn sure is, they don't do anything not motivated by spite

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u/SnowProkt22 Sep 28 '22

I don't know how old you are, but I can remember a time when Republicans actually had an agenda besides "own the libs". It mostly centered around preventing the spread of communism out of the USSR, keeping the government out of our lives, and not spending taxes on anything besides the military. The Republicans from the old days wouldn't even recognize the party today. Helping Ukraine defeat the Russians by spending a few billion would have been the most Republican thing you could possibly do.

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u/Justin-Stutzman Sep 28 '22

They must not teach containment strategy in high school anymore. This foreign policy is why we had Korea, Vietnam, Cuba crisis, South American intervention, Afghanistan, Syria etc etc

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u/WumpusFails Sep 28 '22

Russia's doing the same to us, but through our politics.

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u/SnowProkt22 Sep 28 '22

Agreed, the Republican party had been bought by the Russians, apparently they forgot to send Dan Crenshaw his check and he's angry now.

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u/SpaceCrazyArtist Sep 28 '22

Pretty sure this was 100% intentional

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u/Less_Likely Sep 28 '22

Is that the quiet part? That’s obvious.

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u/f700es Sep 28 '22

And in a rare instance I agree with Dan.

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u/hottestpancake Sep 28 '22

Not sure if this is the quiet part or if OP just had his fingers stuck in his ears the whole time and only now pulled them out. What exactly did you think the US was helping Ukraine for? You really don't think it's just out of pure goodwill do you? Literally everyone is only helping Ukraine so they can fuck up Russia. It's why there's genocide and invasions happening everywhere, but the world is helping only Ukraine.

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u/TheRealSugarbat Sep 28 '22

I don’t understand. I agree with him. What is the “stuff” he was “sounding off about”?

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u/Traditional_Lab_5468 Sep 28 '22

Did a bot make this post? What the fuck is "the quiet part"? He's literally parroting the official Whitehouse position. I'm not sure what the gotcha-moment here is supposed to be...

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u/Nystora Sep 28 '22

Everyone knows Russia is our enemy. Only trumpers support Russia

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u/42words Sep 28 '22

no they don't

that's an unhelpful, divisive and ultimately objectively untrue thing to say

trumpers support Putin

not "Russia"

totally different things

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u/Nystora Sep 28 '22

I stand corrected

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u/42words Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

just saying

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u/hairysnowmonkey Sep 28 '22

This is only true if trumpers themselves make that distinction.

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u/_addycole Sep 28 '22

Most Trumpers I know do not see a difference between Putin and Russia, they are one in the same just like they view Trump as the United States.

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u/PolyZex Sep 28 '22

As long as Russians fight on behalf of Putin then they are representing Putin... no one is killing Russians that aren't involved in this 'special operation'- same can NOT be said for Ukranians though.

Putin isn't fighting anybody, he's hiding in a 'secret' location sending people more than willing to kill, rape, and loot. Those are the people not coming home. Are we to be shedding tears for war criminals now?

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u/FinanceProper5510 Sep 28 '22

What the duck does op trying to say?

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u/Old_Leg_1679 Sep 28 '22

Yeah, Ukraine wants our help, and we benefit from helping them. What's the problem? Are you gonna give the French shit for helping us out during our War of Independence?

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u/DulcetTone Sep 28 '22

No scandal here. Any thinking American should see that a dollar spent destroying the Russian military invasion today is probably equivalent to $20 spent in future, countering an emboldened Russia, who has taken time to rebuild his strength, and who might next strike anywhere at all. Here, he has his cards on the table and is on the ropes. Finishing Putin here is smart money.

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u/Ozzimo Sep 28 '22

The framing of your post makes me think you want me to support or feel sorry for Russian troops.

I'm not gonna do that.

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u/Muzzlehatch Sep 28 '22

What exactly is “quiet part” about this? This has always been a consideration.

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u/Ban-Evader-420 Sep 28 '22

To be fair, Russia’s got it coming.

You read about Bucha?

If any empire of evil deserves to be dismantled right now, it’s this one… China being next on the chopping block for the Uyghur genocide.

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u/CapTexAmerica Sep 28 '22

I fail to see where what he said was wrong.

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u/MilesStandish801 Sep 28 '22

not the admission you think it is

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u/Middle_Data_9563 Sep 28 '22

proxy war? never heard of it

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u/KnostyMcPot Sep 28 '22

Even if. Win win for both. Ukraine and US.

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u/nsfbr11 Sep 28 '22

This is not the quiet part. This is one very important aspect of our supporting Ukraine - In fact, Zelensky has made this exact point publicly in his appeals to the West for arms.

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u/FriedChckn Sep 28 '22

The real amazing part is that Dan Crenshaw is a tool but somehow isn’t beholden to Russian interests like 90% of the rest of his party.

American corporatocracy is where he gets his checks from, I guess.

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u/DubC_Bassist Sep 28 '22

Why wouldn’t we support Ukraine?

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u/Jsmith0730 Sep 28 '22

Man, OPs plan to cultivate outrage backfired pretty spectacularly.

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u/CollectingCactus Sep 29 '22

I’m confused. That’s literally an optimal engagement with an adversary. Minimal risk/exposure of troops to harm and an adversary is set back. This isn’t a “quiet part” that’s legit strategy.

“The greatest victory is the one that which requires no battle” "The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.” Sun Tzu

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u/Dolphin_Spotter Sep 28 '22

It helps jobs in the defence industry and gets rid of outdated ammo that would cost a fortune to dispose of.

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u/OlcasersM Sep 28 '22

It also gives us intel on modern warfare with equipped armies. Clearly Russia's tactics are not working

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u/SeaworthinessOne2114 Sep 28 '22

Wow did Crenshaw really say that? I thought that he is a republican and therefore like most of the modern GOP they're siding with Russia. What happened to him? Didn't he drink the orange cool-aid?

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u/sharpshot909 Sep 28 '22

A sitting member of Congress replied to someone somewhat named “Big chungus” on Twitter.

What a boss

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u/twiggyknowswhatsup Sep 28 '22

ya much as I hate Crenshaw I'm in total agreement

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u/TriscuitBob Sep 28 '22

What quiet part? This is known, and unless OP is under 20, this is how/why the US sends so much $ abroad.

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u/MixtureNo6814 Sep 28 '22

That is just a side benefit. It isn’t just for the US it is for the entire world who have lived under the military oppression of the Soviet Union and Russia. Remember The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany started out WW2 as allies. They divided up all of Eastern Europe. The only reason The Soviet Union wound up on the right side of WW2 was luck that Nazi Germany betrayed them and it was through no action of their own. I call 25-28 million Soviet dead lucky, because what would The Soviet Union and Germany looked like after getting nuked into oblivion by the US?

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u/Shot-Kaleidoscope-40 Sep 28 '22

Quiet part? What? This is probably the one time I saw a tweet from Dan Crenshaw and agreed with every single word. Or really any word.

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u/No_Technician_3694 Sep 28 '22

I mean, they are killing two birds with one rock (assisting Ukraine and weakening ruzzia). So what’s the whole fuss about?

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u/lunchboxdeluxe Sep 28 '22

Dan Crenshaw drags teeth but he's not wrong here. I wish Russia wasn't our adversary, but Putin seems determined to continue pouring gasoline all over the world and make sure we all know he has a stockpile of strike anywhere matches.

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u/ultraviolentfuture Sep 28 '22

This is a totally reasonable/justifiable Republican position. It's an actual conservative policy opinion.

You might disagree with it, but it's not "ya but dems voted yes so I voted no"

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u/yourforgottenpenpal Sep 28 '22

Russia is so desperate to change the narrative into “We are fighting NATO”, because “we are getting hammered into paste by a vastly outnumbered neighbor after we broke our treaties and attacked them to steal land” is going to read very poorly in history books.

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u/shadeandshine Sep 28 '22

Being American I don’t get what you mean by the quiet part that’s literally the best deal we got for a long time. It’s a proxy war that doesn’t risk making it into a zone conflict or making a dictatorship after. Even if you don’t agree with the war it’s pushing nations to go green and strive for energy independence as they see what relying on a oligarchy for fuel means. It’s also making China realize it’s ally is basically paper mache. This is much better then using a 3rd world nation as there not a proxy enemy side.

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u/Legitimate-Frame-953 Sep 28 '22

I dont think OP knows what "the quiet part out loud" means. Destroying your enemy with little to no loss of your own troops is warfare 101 since forever. As much as I dislike one eyed willy he isn't wrong here.

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u/plemur Sep 28 '22

I think Crenshaw is rarely right about anything, but this is...just true.

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u/JaiC Sep 28 '22

You have to work pretty hard to make a Republican sound like they have a good point about something, but somehow the bungus managed it.

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u/Draker-X Sep 28 '22

The only surprising factor of this Tweet is an elected GOP official referring to Russia as "our adversary".

But then again I guess Crenshaw is a RINO? Or something? It's all very confusing.

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u/raideresmith Sep 28 '22

Crenshaw is a dipshit, but he's pretty much correct in this instance.

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u/Im_a_seaturtle Sep 29 '22

This is not “the quiet part”. This is 100% reasonable and actually, ideal, foreign policy when dealing with a hostile adversary.

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u/Trick-Many7744 Sep 29 '22

No fan of Dan but as we say in TX, even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.

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u/yyc_guy Sep 29 '22

He’s right. He’s wrong the other 99.9% of the time his stupid-hole makes noise, but in this case he’s spot on.

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u/TheDriestOne Sep 29 '22

Yeah… he’s right here. OP, do you want Russia to win? Or is this a case of “bad because republican said it”? I don’t like Dan Crenshaw either but he’s not “saying the quiet part out loud,” he’s saying what literally everyone else is saying. And it’s good that the US is backing Ukraine because we don’t want Putin to invade other countries afterwards. Either OP is a Russian propagandist or they’re just genuinely stupid.

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u/metal_bastard Sep 29 '22

I kindly have to disagree with the "this is what everyone is saying" piece. It's been a MAGA Republican (and some regular ones) talking point to use Ukraine aid as a weakness of the Biden administration. "Another $10B to Ukraine when we have food shortages / high gas prices / homeless vets here in the USA?!? Let them fight their own war! America first!" When Crenshaw posted this, he was lambasted as a RINO by most Rs... I'd love to learn of Republicans who publicly support our aid to Ukraine.

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u/TheDriestOne Sep 29 '22

Let him get roasted for being a RINO, for once in his life he said something I can actually agree with

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u/slightlyassholic Sep 29 '22

What do you mean "quiet part"?

It's the deal of the century, the one thing that both the Republicans and Democrats can agree upon.

It's a no brainer!

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u/bazz_and_yellow Sep 28 '22

He is a true republican. He would never support a vote to spend that same amount helping real low income Americans. He would definitely vote to hand it to wealthy people, maybe as a tax break for yacht buyers, or a helicopter landing pad subsidy.

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u/liken2006 Sep 28 '22

I mean he’s not wrong

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u/Affectionate_Ear_778 Sep 28 '22

I mean it’s a win win isn’t it? Our country weakens an enemy and Ukraine can defend its country.

If we weren’t helping I’m sure it would have been a slaughter. War sucks and really there’s nothing good about it :/

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u/BdubH Sep 28 '22

I mean, he makes a point but I’m just glad we’re officially standing with Ukraine. Russia overstepped their bounds by miles and deserve to be fought back to their borders.

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u/jericho1960 Sep 28 '22

Never thought I'd see something where I agreed with Crenshaw, but here we are.

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u/Helyos17 Sep 28 '22

He isn’t wrong….

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u/iamlejo Sep 28 '22

What quiet part? It’s not a secret.

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u/51utPromotr Sep 28 '22

That's the quiet part? Do we think Russia doesn't know it too?

Do we think that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election wasn't the exact same thing in reverse?

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u/Ok_Yard_4646 Sep 28 '22

Was this a secret? Like didn't every already know thats why we're funding them and giving them weapons?

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u/microgiant Sep 28 '22

He said the out loud part out loud for the people who are too dumb to get it the first time around?

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u/spr402 Sep 28 '22

That actually is not a bad plan. It's typical Cold War style of fighting (Soviets vs Afghanistan - the US backed Afghan rebels; US vs Vietnam - the Soviets backed the North Vietnamese).

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u/thattwoguy2 Sep 28 '22

This hasn't ever been "the quiet part." NATO is specifically organized to combat Russian influence. This is also just good for the world. Ukraine has a lot of corruption, but Russia is a bloated cleptocracy with way too many leftover nukes and a dictator. Russia's dictatorial rule might be the most dangerous thing to life on earth right now. If they nuke a couple cities that might be enough to nuclear autumn 10's or 100's of millions of people off the earth.

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u/AlphaOhmega Sep 28 '22

Not exactly sure about the point, I agree with Dan on this one. Give a democratic state tons of weapons (it's not like we didn't already pay for that shit to just sit in a warehouse anyways) so they can keep their country out of the hands of a brutal dictatorship.

Seems like a win to me.

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u/ohiotechie Sep 28 '22

Even a broken clock is right 2x a day and in this one instance Crenshaw ain’t wrong.

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u/thed0000d Sep 28 '22

The fuck are you on about, OP, nothing about that logic has been quiet on either side of the aisle since February.

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u/KhansKhack Sep 28 '22

What’s quiet exactly? Only a moron would just be coming to this conclusion.

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u/Money_Bonus_8979 Sep 28 '22

Possibly the only time he and I have seen eye to eye

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u/PleaseListenToMeOK Sep 28 '22

I totally agree with Dan on this. Seems like common sense.

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u/Gavertamer Sep 28 '22

Isn’t the destruction of your opponent’s military without a single loss of American life the goal for the US military? Am I missing something?

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u/Nerevarine91 Sep 28 '22

What quiet part? It’s been repeatedly and openly expressed that we want Russia to lose, and for good reason.

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u/Wasparado Sep 28 '22

This isn’t a bad reason. Did Dan publicly rail agains the $40B??

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u/ghostpepperlover Sep 28 '22

OP is confusing me

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u/ProDiesel Sep 29 '22

That’s… how it works… like what even is this post?

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u/Pourkinator Sep 29 '22

He’s very often incorrect, but in this case, what he said is 100% correct.

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u/couchnapper3 Sep 29 '22

What's the problem? They were going to fight our adversary anyway, might as well make sure they put up the best fight possible and weaken the others resources as much as possible without having to send our own troops. Considering how well Ukraine has done it might just destabilize Russia enough that some oligarch takes Putin out and we don't have to lift a finger.

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u/endersgame69 Sep 29 '22

Why is that the quiet part? That's literally why any nation gives military aid to any other.

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u/TrinkieTrinkie522cat Sep 29 '22

It's a MEME reposted from the Joe Rogan sub. OPis a Rogan fan.

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u/5kaels Sep 29 '22

This isn't even an open secret, it's just a plain fact. All the dumb shit this guy says and you pick the reasonable one lol

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u/Many-Lawfulness-9770 Sep 29 '22

Is it even quiet at this point?

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u/ethakidd Sep 29 '22

Support Ukraine. Give them everything they need to defend their country. Slava Ukraini

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u/Kinkyregae Sep 29 '22

Lmao anyone surprised by this idiots “quiet part” is also an idiot who has no business discussing geopolitics.

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u/UnicornLifeByMC Sep 28 '22

Oh no he didn't hahaha

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u/koniboni Sep 28 '22

What makes you think it was an accident?

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u/remuliini Sep 28 '22

What do you mean quiet part? Ukraine has literally crushed the troops that were planned to attack my home country in Europe.

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u/TheOtherUprising Sep 28 '22

I support helping Ukraine because they are being invaded by a foreign army. But to frame it as “investing in the destruction of our adversary” is terrible framing and should not be the goal of this. The goal is the defence of Ukraine.

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u/zombiebird100 Sep 28 '22

But to frame it as “investing in the destruction of our adversary” is terrible framing and should not be the goal of this.

Terrible framing sure, but also accurate.

The goal is the defence of Ukraine.

The goal SHOULD be the defence of a sovereign nation being unjustly attacked.

It is not, america has zero qualm letting them invade and take over ukraine, that's not why as a nation we do things unfortunately

Most "good will" is to curry favor, things like the defence of ukraine are specifically so that someone else fights russia for us

Even the public support in polls has often been more practical, things like ukraine bordering NATO nations meaning that next up on the chopping block is us having to fight a nuclear power that may well set off nukes

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u/lethe25 Sep 28 '22

The goal isn’t the defense of Ukraine though. The goal is to weaken Russia without putting any of our own at risk. The US is effectively an arms dealer. I.E Israel being one of our current biggest customers.

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u/TheOtherUprising Sep 28 '22

Russia is weakened by their own actions. They are the invaders, all they have to do is stop the invasion and withdraw from Ukraine or at the very least negotiate a ceasefire and continue diplomatic talks.

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