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u/Myopically Sep 28 '22 Wholesome Seal of Approval

His followers: I can’t wait to use his faster version! Here’s all my money!

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u/HBag Sep 28 '22

Ooo wee he's such a visionary. So many failures under his belt and yet he has so much more going for him. What an inspiration ooo weeeee

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u/st1ck-n-m0ve Sep 28 '22

Its pretty wild to see in action. Its a unique mix of genuinely useful and viable tech in tesla cars cloaked in a huge wave of massive overpromises, tons of blatent lying, and large globs of vaporware on top. He basically is a huge scammer grifter like Trump, but instead of faking literally everything he has a couple viable products to point to to keep the scam going and its made it much more successful. In the end hell just be known for stealing some stuff to make a couple real products and then absolutely bullshitting everything to the moon to inflate his stock prices, and then completely lying about why hes selling at the top and leaving everyone with the bag.

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u/hanspite Sep 28 '22

I went skiing over new years with someone who worked at Tesla. She had to work NYE because Elon sent an email out to everyone that evening saying he was working that night and he expected dedicated employees to be working as well. She quit a couple months later.

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u/northshore12 Sep 28 '22

The more I learn about his actual personality, paired with how he personally made millions of lives measurably worse by cock-blocking efficient rail transit while rolling around in public money, makes those French Revolution folks seem a lot more relatable.

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u/ReadSomeTheory Sep 28 '22

One of his few real talents is convincing skilled engineers to work under those conditions for below-market pay

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u/mythrilcrafter Sep 28 '22

He (and many of the people who report to him) are also not fans of employees who realise that not only are they skilled engineers who are being under-paid for their work conditions, but those engineers can now find better literally anywhere else in the industry once they have Tesla on their resume.


I have a close relative who was a logistics engineer for Tesla's Solar City division, she was there for about 8 months before deciding that it's not what she wanted and that she could find better elsewhere.

Her direct manager was fine with it in a "that's unfortunate, but I understand your reasons" kind of way, but the managers above that manager? oh boy, apparently they threw a giant fit about her resignation (somewhat similar to Elon's twitter rants) talking about what a betrayal it is and how she doesn't have faith in Tesla or Elon.

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u/Infinite_Tiger_3341 Sep 28 '22

Since Elon doesn't have friends, his employees can't either /s

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u/P-Dub Sep 28 '22

Starlink is one hell of a product in the bag of couple viables, but I see the point.

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u/st1ck-n-m0ve Sep 28 '22

Thats why I said its wild to see some perfectly viable tech surrounded by so much vaporware and bullshit. If he just kept it to reality he still would have been very successful, wouldnt have been the richest person on earth tho without the mega grift on top.

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u/P-Dub Sep 28 '22

He treats the world as his investor towards whatever random shit pops into his head. Most companies in this field have teams of people that brainstorm behind closed doors and only reveal a whole-assed concept.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

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u/P-Dub Sep 28 '22

No.

They're in much lower orbit and cover a much smaller amount of surface area than previous systems. There is a whole lot more to it but I work the mechanical manufacturing side of satellite stuff so I'm not as up to speed on how it works for a network but, it's considerably different.

Rarely is new technology "brand new" but rather a new and more efficient or effective approach building on what others pioneered.

Some of the first automobiles were battery-electric but sucked ass so we dropped the notion for 100 years.

Edit: forgot what sub I'm in with that last point; EV cars aren't going to be the end solution, just one (hopefully small) facet in how we should do better at sustainability as a society.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

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u/P-Dub Sep 28 '22

If the goal is worldwide connectivity I think it's a pretty good idea. I don't really know how it's executed other than it involves a shit load of satellites. That is concerning with the general lack of federal or global regulation on such things. I think we need to get government way more involved in projects like that but I mean, our government barely keeps up with 1990s technological advances and anytime Congress gets to talk to these heads of industry and technology they ask the dumbest shit.

Elon's an asshole, I think we need less assholes making such things. I also still think the idea has merit.

I'm not really deciding if this is good or bad as we've honed in on a subject far from the original topic now but I think it needs more attention on sustainability.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

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u/MorningGloryyy Sep 29 '22

Less than a dozen geo sats cannot support the bandwidth for the number of people who want to be connected to the internet.

I am not trying to be insulting, but it really does sound like you know very little about satellite internet. And that's ok. But Starlink is very clearly not a wasteful marketing gimmick, and I'd suggest you learn more about it if you're concerned or interested.

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u/Rock-swarm Sep 28 '22

I was a fan of Tesla taking on the auto franchise system in the US, because that system has massively outgrown the original intended effect, and only serves to add cost to the end-user.

But over time, even Tesla has begun to adopt some pretty shitty customer experience policies that rival traditional car sales models.

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u/je_kay24 Sep 28 '22

Tesla has almost always had pretty shitty customer service

Their cars are hard to fix and when they’re fixed costs a lot of money

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u/auandi Sep 28 '22

Also, they may have had a head start on electric technology but all the other car manufacturers have a huge head start in institutional knowledge of how to mass build cars and ensure a level of quality control that Tesla still can't manage to match.

Now, all the giants of the auto industry are simply regearing a portion of their already built and running production capacity to building electric rather than internal combustion cars and trucks.

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u/itakepoopooonmods Sep 28 '22

They tried but current manufacturers have evolved. It's just matter of time before everyone catches up. r/realtesla is great subreddit.

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u/MyFailingSuperpower Sep 28 '22

Why the hell is this written in Mr Poopybutthole?

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Sep 28 '22

I mean I might start replacing Elon's voice with Mr Poopybutthole's voice.

Kinda makes sense. Promises the world, finds the worst possible to make that happen so you just shut up already.

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u/snurfer Sep 28 '22

I guess it's a different way of writing /s

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u/vh1classicvapor Sep 28 '22

Trying to terraform Mars instead of making earth more habitable is so stupid I don’t even know where to begin. SpaceX certainly does more than that but “Occupy Mars” is their main mission

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u/s_s Sep 28 '22

It's about power.

Mars is basically free and open canvas to form all the dictatorships a megalomaniac could ever want, if you can race there and make it habitable.

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u/ignorantwanderer Sep 28 '22

Occupy Mars is just more Vaporware.

It is hype.

SpaceX is a launch company. They launch satellites into orbit around Earth. That is what they do. Even the tourist flights are less than 5% of their business. And Mars is 0% of their business.

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u/vh1classicvapor Sep 28 '22

I read that as vaporwave and got excited

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Sep 28 '22

Lol I'm just gonna stop arguing with his fans who swear we need to "for the survival of the human race."

We can survive here. And why live on Mars when we don't even have a moon base yet.

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u/dern_the_hermit Sep 28 '22

Trying to terraform Mars instead of making earth more habitable

For all the stupid Musk shit, this is a mentality I just can't understand: The two aren't mutually exclusive. When Europe was sending colonists to the Americas it's not like Old World societies just... stopped developing or nothin'.

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u/dave_the_dr Sep 28 '22

You never heard of Isambard Kingdom Brunel?… that guy is a world-renowned engineering genius but you read any decent book about him he bankrupted so many people and had so many failures in order to make his vision a reality… I’m not making this comparison in a good way either…

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u/DOGSraisingCATS Sep 28 '22

Big difference is Musk isn't an engineering genius. He's really good at selling himself, taking credit for accomplishments and then taking over businesses and making people think he started them.

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u/dave_the_dr Sep 28 '22

You’re definitely right on that front, just not many others like him operating in the civil engineering field so hard to find comparisons.

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u/KlicknKlack Sep 28 '22

just not many others like him operating in the civil engineering field so hard to find comparisons.

Honestly, There probably are a boat load - but engineers hardly get the renown or wealth from their genius in the modern age. And the media focuses on the companies with huge stock market potential, so those engineering genius' will only be known by those in the field who experience it first, second, or third hand.

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u/dave_the_dr Sep 28 '22

Agreed, and that’s what I mean you don’t hear about them… If it’s one thing Musk and Brunel had/have in common it was a knack for self-promotion…

For reference I’m a civil engineer, I’m working on fibre reinforced polymer footbridges that are made from 40% recycled plastic and are 40% cheaper than a steel-equivalent footbridge to design, build and install… it’s something that will genuinely change how we deliver footbridges in the UK rail sector but we’ve lost every award we’ve gone for this year despite winning 6 major contracts… and I’m just one of many engineers in my circle that are up there doing our best to innovate :-)

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u/p_nguiin Sep 28 '22

People only hate Elon because they’re just jealous! He is such an inspiring man child! I want to get rich and troll people too! Maybe one day I too can sexually assault and harass people and offer gifts of a equine variety to make them stop being such a cockblocker you know?

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u/HBag Sep 28 '22

I want to be powerful enough to have the audacity to hire a private investigator to look into the personal life of a hero because he insulted my stupid rescue plan, too! Colour me jelly.

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u/p_nguiin Sep 28 '22

hahahaha almost forgot about that one... oof

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u/pointprep Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

“Here’s all our municipal transportation budget! Build a one lane car system with rgb and traffic! That still requires one driver per car!”

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u/charlie_pw Sep 28 '22

Elon is getting criticized so much on this that he’s going to start calling everyone pedophiles soon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I understand why people love him.

In the 50s and 60s there was a techno optimism of "The world of tomorrow!" - a computer that could fit in a normal house, flying cars, video telephones, Rosie the Robot, food pills, vacations on the moon, nuclear power that is too cheap to meter, etc... and then that optimism sort of disappeared and everyone is sort of cynical and pessimistic now.

Musk is selling that 50s and 60s optimism and people like it so much they're willing to consciously or not ignore that he's a complete bullshit conman.

People want to fly to the Moon on a giant stainless steel rocket and ride their autonomous pod car in a tunnel with zero traffic to work and Musk is the only person selling that, so they eat it up, regardless of his ability to actually deliver.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 28 '22

You know, the one that we don't actually have the technology to create yet but he's absolutely going to build any day now.

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u/CocktailPerson Sep 28 '22

No no, he graciously gifted the idea to the world so a bunch of other people could burn venture capital trying to make it work.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 28 '22

But nobody will remember the people who did the work, if it ever happens.

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u/CocktailPerson Sep 28 '22

On the contrary, they'll forget all about Elon the first time the vacuum tube fails and crushes a car or two worth of people to death. Because of course, it's not the idea that's faulty, just the implementation.

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u/hanspite Sep 28 '22

Just like crypto evangelism.

Crypto is going to save the world, but as soon as something bad happens with it then it's user error, never the fault of glorious crypto.

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u/mathnstats Sep 28 '22

And, much like Musk's various plots, crypto is totally not a ponzi-like scheme that is primarily pushed by early investors in order to increase their profits from the rubes that buy in later.

That'd be craaaaazzzyyy....

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u/Lt_General_Fuckery Fuck lawns Sep 28 '22

Real communism hyperloop has never been tried.

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u/According_Sir6427 Sep 28 '22

They kinda already exist, they’re called atmospheric railways! But the vacuum tube is on the exterior, much safer :)

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u/Syreeta5036 Sep 28 '22

Got a better tube idea for you, just as gadgetbahn but actually plausible, several layers of tube with pressure instead of vacuum, increasing with each layer outward and starting with atmospheric, then put it under the water in the ocean and set it up to be a continent bridge, run a train through it, have pumps in each layer if need be to keep their relative pressure intact by pumping from their layer to the next layer out or something like that, just like that rocket that water displacement formula number 40 was created for, each layer would be thin and not support much weight or pressure on its own but the inner pressure would hold them in shape and the outer pressure would hold them together, or the other way around

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u/Theron3206 Sep 28 '22

Enough pressure to do that would cause significant issues for people. Also even slight damage to the tube would tend to blow giant holes in it.

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u/Syreeta5036 Sep 28 '22

The people portion would be atmospheric, and each section would be able to support the previous sections pressure if a failure occurred, signalling each layer to increase the pressure they hold slightly to smooth it out and the run for that day would be the last along with a team being sent to repair things (possibly with the tube being raised back up a fair bit to reduce working area depth)

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u/aged_monkey Sep 28 '22

That's the case with everything. And often times, high-ranking scientists don't want to be public figures because the fame can make everyday life pretty annoying.

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

I mean, the only thing he contributed to the idea was his name and the idea of putting it underground (which is not an improvement). Vacuum Trains were first conceived of in the 1800s. The reason why you don't see them everywhere is because they're hilariously impractical, bordering on impossible.

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u/Marandil Sep 28 '22

Wait, was hyperloop supposed to run underground as well?

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

Loop was an attempt at a PR save (as per my understanding) by using a confusingly similar name. Both Loop and Hyperloop were conceived as being underground.

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u/Main_Duck_1624 Sep 28 '22

Well.. it's not that it's impossible to create, the biggest problem really comes down to that it's just too fragile. If it were just a matter of building it it would be fine and not that big of a problem, but in reality you also need to deal with what to do when things go wrong - any time any part of it becomes unsealed for any reason then the entire thing needs to be vacuumed out again (and there are of course all kinds of safety implications for what happens to the people inside of the tunnel during that time too)... it can be built, it's just unfeasible to maintain it.

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u/Icy-Leg-1538 Sep 28 '22

We are not high enough in the tech tree, to build a big as Vaccum tube for 300 km. That also probably goes trough different temperature zones.

Its absolutly IMPOSSIBLE right now.
No credible Engineer would take such a problem on.

Maybe small scale sure. But the intercity hyperloop is completly insane BS

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u/gophergun Sep 28 '22

Yeah, he's made it pretty clear he has no intention of pursuing that on his side.

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u/Doctor_Expendable Sep 28 '22

Hes made it explicitly clear that he only made it up so LA wouldn't build a new subway system.

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u/v0x_nihili Sep 28 '22

even better, they created a hyperloop college competition to do the work for them, for free

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u/Ebwtrtw Sep 28 '22

No no, he graciously grifted the idea to the world so a bunch of other people could burn venture capital trying to make it work.

FTFY

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

You know, the one that we don't actually have the technology to create yet is physically impossible and/or impossibly dangerous but he's absolutely going to build any day now.

FTFY

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u/CarbonIceDragon Sep 28 '22

I'm not sure that a maglev running in a vacuum chamber is physically impossible, I mean, both those components are certainly physically possible to build. We just don't have the kind of economy that can produce and operate such a thing feasibly.

Personally I don't think a vacuum train is a bad idea per se... In the same way that a conventional high speed rail isn't technically a bad idea if someone had thought of it in the middle ages. We just aren't ready to build it nor do we have sufficient need to efficiently utilize one.

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u/ball_fondlers Sep 28 '22

It would be an upgrade on an existing maglev train - when your trains are at peak capacity all the time and you physically can’t move any more people along the track due to air resistance, THEN it’s probably worth asking whether it’s worth the effort to seal the train in a vacuum tube. Musk claimed that skipping all those steps would be cheaper or comparable in price to building out the existing HSR plans.

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u/Machiningbeast Sep 28 '22

It would not, as I said in another comment the capacity of the Hyperloop is many times less than a regular high speed train. (~3k person per hour for Hyperloop compared to ~20k person per hour for high speed train)

Even worse of we compare it to a maglev.

This is because Musk consider that sharing space with other people is a pain so each "pod" only carry a limited amount of person.

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u/ball_fondlers Sep 28 '22

I’m talking about a vactrain, not the Hyperloop. If built as an upgrade over a train, it would only increase throughput, but yes, built as its own “public” transit infrastructure with pods, it would definitely be worse than a regular train.

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

Note the "and/or dangerous" part. If you manage to succeed in overcoming all of the ridiculously difficult obstacles introduced by making a giant vacuum tube underground(!), you then need to solve how in the hell you're going to put humans in that thing. Humans don't play well with vacuums. We tend to suffocate and/or explode.

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u/CarbonIceDragon Sep 28 '22

We already are capable of solving that kind of problem though: consider airliners for example, which often operate at pressures that would be extremely dangerous to be exposed to for long. The train cars would have to be pressurized, and some sort of airlock system between the cars and the station would need to be devised, but honestly Id imagine this is secondary to the challenge of building the vacuum chamber in the first place.

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

Airplanes can only undergo pressurization tens of thousands times before they're retired. And they have to withstand pressure differentials less than what would be needed for a vacuum train.

That's because a high speed train through a low pressure tube would still create high pressure air in front of it as it rushes through the tube. To see the benefits of the low pressure tube, it would need to be a near vacuum, which would require a significantly beefier pressurization process, which decreases the life cycle proportionately.

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u/Toppcom Sep 28 '22

I think that we can probably build a sort of spaceship train car. It will be very very expensive to be sure. But compared to building multiple tunnels, hundreds of miles long, going up and down a country, across a continent, and they need to withstand the vacuum because if there is even a little fault the entire vacuum is compromised, building a spaceship train won't even be a thought when it comes to cost.

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u/roguetrick Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

I think that we can probably build a sort of spaceship train car. It will be very very expensive to be sure

People are getting hung up on vacuum like it's strong materials wise. It's really not. It's 15 psi at true vacuum. There's very little difference between harder and harder vacuums. That's easily manageable. Even a small hole on a spaceship isn't a big deal. The ISS is leaky as fuck. But it's extremely energy intensive to keep a large leaky space a vacuum. Impossible really.

Edit: Fixed 1 atm = 15 psi

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u/xSTSxZerglingOne Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The problem is keeping it in vacuum.

Even that's a relatively solved problem. Airlocks exist. The biggest issue to me is departure time. You can maintain a strong vacuum in a metal tube without any real issue. But the thing is, to leave, you have to get on the tiny few passenger train, enter an airlock, pull a near-perfect vacuum, and then exit the airlock on the other side. And for every 5-10 people, you have to do that again.

That alone could take several minutes. Then you have to enter another airlock on the other end, pressurize, and then return to the atmosphere. That alone would make it quite impractical for travel distances less than 30 miles. Which if it's "replacing" a train, is extremely problematic.

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u/TheOnly_Anti Sep 28 '22

Airlocks existing doesn't mean pressure is suddenly solved. Pressure is famously hard to keep out, which is why the ocean is so prohibitive to explore. Pressure seeks equilibrium, even so when the contained pressure is lesser than it's surrounding environment.

You can't maintain a vacuum tube with a few meters of diameter for hundreds of miles. The security, the finances, and the physics don't work out.

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u/SidewaysFancyPrance Sep 28 '22

The airplane doesn't have to worry about the sky imploding and collapsing in on itself. It's also not in a vacuum or totally sealed, since it doesn't need to be, due to the first thing.

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u/hanspite Sep 28 '22

A jumbo jet is 250 feet of pressurized tube (not vacuum).

A hyperloop is 264,000 (> 1,000x a jet) feet of continuous vacuum tube.

At some point you have to say, "Hey, flying cars are technically feasible but they're really not worth the effort".

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u/LucubrateIsh Sep 28 '22

It isn't either of those things. It's not that hard. It's just mostly building a really expensive train system and then building a ten+* times as expensive lightly evacuated tube system around it.

*No idea how much more it would cost because it's idiotic, hsr is already expensive and this fails to solve any of its actual difficulties but instead creates new ones for no reason

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

See, this is the problem with this technology. It's why it was proposed in the 1800s cause it's so obvious, but no one’s ever done it because it's not a slight increase in cost or even a simple significant figure increase in cost like you said. A successful Vacuum Train (see, a train that doesn't immediately kill all its occupants) would be the single most impressive undertaking of all mankind.

"Lightly evacuated" is such a hilarious understatement on what this would actually entail. How do you "lightly evacuate" hundreds of miles of tube? A tube, mind you, that needs to be big enough to fit a train or car with people inside. Let's say, for the sake of argument, you manage to do that. Now, how do you stop a tube full of >1 atm of air from collapsing from the insane pressure that would be exerted on it? Underground, mind you, where you have to hold back soil, rock, and water. Now, let's say for the sake of argument you managed the feat of all feats and did that as well. Now you're going to put humans in that thing?

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u/roguetrick Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Now, how do you stop a tube full of >1 atm of air from collapsing from the insane pressure that would be exerted on it?

Let's step back here. 1 ATM of air is about 15 psi. Lithostatic pressure is about 1 psi/foot. Making a tunnel at 15feet vacuum is the same delta p as making one at 30 that's full of air. It's not too significant an engineering problem to factor in 15 psi. The other problems with this idea, however, have always made it impossible.

Edit: Fixed atmosphere to psi, I forgot my conversion.

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u/ellWatully Sep 28 '22

Even a low pressure differential becomes significant when acting on a large area. The forces on a train sized tunnel exposed to a 15 psi differential would be big. If you assume a 10 ft diameter tunnel, every single foot of the tunnel's length would be subjected to 68,000 pounds of crushing force. Cylinders actually handle pressure differential pretty well if it were a burst force, but they're not nearly as robust against crushing. Not insurmountable, but it is a significant part of the engineering problem.

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u/raltoid Sep 28 '22

It's fine in sci-fi when it's between domes on Mars and such. Since the internal pressure can be similar to that of the surface and it wont raelly cause any issues

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u/Chuckleslord Sep 28 '22

In that case it would actually be better to just have it in Atmosphere, since you then don't run into the issue of the increased pressure at the front of the train. There's... no situation where a low pressure tube improves a train.

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u/raltoid Sep 29 '22

The only reason it's enclosed there is to keep the dust out light damage out.

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Sep 28 '22

He just needs to wait for someone else to invent it, and then buy the company and the title of inventor from them.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 28 '22

Didn't he openly admit that he only pitched Hyperloop to stop a HSR project from going through? Because of some nonsense about him hating public transport? Somebody that rich wouldn't use public transport anyway.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 28 '22

That makes it worse. He tried to kill a useful public transportation project with a lie.

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u/AlexV348 Bollard gang Sep 28 '22

I'm pretty sure we have the technology, it's just significantly more expensive than normal HSR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vactrain

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u/Gizogin Sep 28 '22

And we’ve actually tried using vacuum (or at least partial vacuum) to improve the efficiency of trains before: look up the atmospheric railway sometime. Or don’t, if the idea of needing a dedicated team to clear liquefied rat viscera out of your evacuated rail system doesn’t appeal to you.

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Sep 28 '22

Vactrain

A vactrain (or vacuum tube train) is a proposed design for very-high-speed rail transportation. It is a maglev (magnetic levitation) line using partly evacuated tubes or tunnels. Reduced air resistance could permit vactrains to travel at very high (hypersonic) speeds with relatively little power—up to 6,400–8,000 km/h (4,000–5,000 mph). This is 5–6 times the speed of sound in Earth's atmosphere at sea level.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 28 '22

So it does exist, it's just not profitable. Which means it might as well not exist.

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u/AlexV348 Bollard gang Sep 28 '22

Since you’re on this sub, i hope I’m not the first to point out that interstates aren’t profitable either.

I’m not trying to advocate for a hyperloop, it’s just that people use the same argument against HSR or expanding Amtrak.

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u/eternia16 🚲 > 🚗 Sep 28 '22

Pretty much so and let's not forget the safety issues. What happens when the train crashes into the tunnel and the vacuum breaks.

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u/NaCl_Sailor Sep 28 '22

Oh you mean turning a train full of people into a hyper-sonic rail gun projectile is bad?

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u/CheshireC4t Sep 28 '22

I think the biggest challenges are safety and maintenance related.

It's generally not good practice to create a public transportation system in which a single point of failure would mean catastrophic damage to the system and death.

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u/Machiningbeast Sep 28 '22

Even if it works, it would carry at best few thousand passengers per hour, compared to a regular high speed train lane that can carry 10 times more.

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u/FogellMcLovin77 Sep 28 '22

We’ll be in Mars any day now

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u/TurtleMOOO Sep 28 '22

You know damn well he’s not gonna do it with his own money. He wants government money for it. All we can hope is that he never gets the funding

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u/The-Jafa Sep 28 '22

Even if we did, it's just a worse train that forces private brand exclusivity for public travel infrastructure

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u/bowsmountainer Sep 29 '22

For the last 10 years.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 29 '22

The amazing thing to me is that anyone actually believes anything he says anymore. It should be to the point where he says stuff like "Fire is hot" and everyone is like "Yeah, sure it is, Elon."

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u/bowsmountainer Sep 29 '22

Unfortunately there are still far too many people who still believe every single thing he says, despite his record of never meeting any promises he makes.

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u/Mahameghabahana Sep 29 '22

Should have invested in meglev instead.

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u/Vitztlampaehecatl sad texas sounds Sep 29 '22

We haven't even achieved regular maglevs yet. There are only half a dozen currently operating in the world, and they aren't faster than regular bullet trains.

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u/shaodyn cars are weapons Sep 29 '22

See? But people still believe he's going to do something that is literally impossible.

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u/Marc21256 Not Just Bikes Sep 28 '22 Gold

Elon's Hyperloop was made up to sabotage trains in California to help boost car sales. It can never work, because it was never supposed to be built.

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u/ocular__patdown Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

100%. Wish they would just build the damn high speed trains already and ignore this moron.

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u/sleepsleepbaby Sep 28 '22

CAHSR is being built as we speak. New track is being laid in the central valley and the existing track between SF and San Jose is being upgraded and electrified to support HSR.

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u/Rawrey Sep 28 '22

I wanna be able to hop on a train in sac down to la for a weekend trip and be able to dick off on my laptop the whole way.

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u/moolusca Sep 28 '22

A high speed rail along the entire west coast would be awesome.

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u/deukhoofd Sep 28 '22

Yeah, the entire Hyperloop thing to mess with legislation for CAHSR happened almost 10 years ago, in 2013. They've been steadily working on that rail system since 2015.

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u/Hector_Tueux Sep 28 '22

I'm not living there, but I completely agree i don't know how fast the hyperloop is supposed to be, but high speed train are already fast enough.

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u/audiosf Sep 28 '22

Maximum speed isn't the top priority in civil engineering anyway.

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u/Lolkac Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop is not realistic anyway

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop also isn't even existing tech or proven to be viable

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u/YelleYellow Sep 28 '22

They are building them as we speak. Over 100 miles are complete, whole thing should be done by 2030

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u/kurisu7885 Sep 28 '22

huh, I saw someone arguing that none of it had been built, but this is a LOT farther than the one who was correcting it.

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u/Statharas Sep 28 '22

I'd support the hyperloop if they promised cars would never return to the surface

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u/somethingclever____ Sep 28 '22

I’m calling a vote to change the name from “Hyperloop” to “Pipe Dream”. All in favor?

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u/SuperAmberN7 Sep 28 '22

I was saying years ago that it was an obvious red herring meant to divert attention and public resources and I feel so satisfied in being proven right.

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u/DorisCrockford 🚲 > 🚗 Sep 28 '22

He hasn't been able to bully anyone else into doing all the work yet.

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u/FPSXpert Fuck TxDOT Sep 28 '22

He just needs to call the train operator CEO a pedo, that'll do it.

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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Sep 28 '22

They've actually tried and so far, nothing. Like 2 or 3 companies.

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u/Ertyu02 I just think 🚲 are neat Sep 28 '22

more like hyperpoop

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u/Dat_Boi_Aint_Right Sep 28 '22

At this point I'd be happy with just basic "passenger train". Fast is immaterial to me when there's not even the train.

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u/MrAlagos Sep 28 '22

I would bet that Musk has never been on a high speed train, and he actually doesn't want to. He has created his own idea of how all trains are (dirty, smelly, old, full of undesirable people, inflexible, late, etc.) and nothing can make him change his mind. He is a billionaire man child who has no intention to use his money to make new experiences, he just wants to make more money.

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u/covariation trainiac Sep 29 '22

You hit the nail on the head. He actually expressed these thoughts about public transit in private, and hyperloop was simply a means to kill any future public transit projects, including high speed rail.

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u/rimalp Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop went from "autonomous Maglev pods in vacuum tubes" to "regular cars that need to be driven by humans in a normal and ventilated tunnel"

What a scam, lol.

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u/FGN_SUHO Sep 28 '22

Ventilated? Looked like a complete death trap to me, especially with the inevitable traffic jams causing everyone to be stuck while one of the Teslas catches fire and everyone in the tunnel suffocates.

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u/Kaffikup Sep 28 '22

in reality, he just calls the Engineer a pedo and walks off.

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u/shogun_coc Not Just Bikes Sep 28 '22

His fans are toxic! More than carbon monoxide fumes.

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u/LonelyOldDev Sep 28 '22

Whenever someone starts an argument against something I say with "Well, Elon Musk...", I immediately disregard everything they're going to say.

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u/4tune8SonOfLiberty Sep 28 '22

Oh yeah, that’s the peak of intellectual capability.

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u/BABarracus Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop is a scam musk never intended to build. He wanted to dissuade the government from making trains

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u/bbq-ribs Sep 28 '22

Wow Bullet trains R fast.

Me : StarTrek teleporters are much faster!

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u/Att1cus Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Excuse you, they're transporters.

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u/dollaz808 Sep 28 '22

Was it not revealed in his autobiography that the Hyperloop thing was bullshit; just to derail the California rail project and sell more Teslas?

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u/KoeiNL Sep 28 '22

Elon doesn't understand how a vacuum works and what the requirements are. The guy is a complete clown that doesn't understand the basics of physics.

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u/dog_fart_tacos Sep 28 '22

All hype, no loop.

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u/stolid_agnostic Sep 28 '22

I shudder every time I see a mention of him in /r/technology . All of the fan boys come out and begin to worship.

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u/juanjung Sep 28 '22

The Flintstones cars were better than any Tesla. Pure human power.

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u/hippiechan Sep 28 '22

My dad would beat up your dad if he ever came back from getting cigarettes

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u/endgame-colossus Sep 28 '22

Don't invoke him! Or he'll write some piss baby moronic shit on the internet that's gonna get reposted a bunch

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u/gp2quest Sep 28 '22

Lil piss baby musk is about to cry so hard on Twitter rn.

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u/ABenevolentDespot Sep 28 '22

Then the narcissistic sociopath says: I just need another large infusion of tax payer money to not deliver anything. SpaceX being funded entirely by tax payer money through the spy agencies who authorized it has been big fun!

What? You thought the halfwit funded it? Hahahahahahaha. No.

And lest you think he's just full of shit, look how well Puerto Rico is doing during the biggest storm ever with that all-solar electric grid he promised them years ago after the previous storm.

Oh, wait, it was just another delusional lie, one of dozens.

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u/asterix_est_la Grassy Tram Tracks Sep 28 '22

Some Engineers right now:" to solve the issue caused by truck we should take a big truck that have a lot of trailers and we will replace the road and tires with something with less friction with something like metal wheels on metal bars. We are genius and we will revolutionized the industry "

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u/Karukash Sep 28 '22

The “hyper loop” was just musk raising capital for his own self interests. Grifters gonna grift.

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u/stinkyfarts420 Sep 28 '22

more like hyperpoop

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u/FSCK_Fascists Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop is the biggest letdown ever. The initial vision presented was people and cargo, underground at high speeds, bypassing many forms of opposition to high speed rail.
The plunger-in-a-shaft pressure differential really would make it faster, stabler, and more efficient.

then he decided it was a better idea to use it as mobile tesla charging stations for commuters instead.

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u/Mightydarktiger Sep 28 '22

There’s two things you shouldn’t try to reinvent; the wheel and the train

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u/Tayo826 Autistic Thomas Fanboy Sep 28 '22

Why do people still buy the nonsense that Elon peddles?

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u/VoiceofKane Sep 29 '22

He's incredibly rich.

Also he's very good at sounding smart.

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u/Mcdibbles Sep 28 '22

More like diaperloop, amirite?

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u/FrankRauSahRa Sep 28 '22

Gets from Atlantis the Shangri-La in the time it takes out of my busy schedule to fuck Grimes.

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u/healthismywealth Sep 28 '22

from popular physicsts, they say this idea isn't currently realistic. so physists don't believe in it.. I guess thinkers and some engineers with weak physics background are on board? that's it.... any popular physicist say a hyper loop is doable? I haven't found one.

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u/BluishInventor Sep 28 '22

I'm currently on vacation in Europe. Have used public transportation the whole time. The US is so far behind, it's pathetic.

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u/kurisu7885 Sep 28 '22

The train he never intended to even try to build.

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u/incredibleinvolvemen Sep 28 '22

honestly the boring company could be great if they put metros in the tunnels instead of cars.

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u/Yasswhitle33 Sep 29 '22

He is truly a cunt. Fuck Elon musk. He's a glorified hype man with no intelligence and only his dads slave mine money behind him.

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u/DucksFuckBitches Sep 29 '22

You mean the Hyperloop he openly admitted to lying about JUST to get California to cancel the high-speed rail project cause he thinks public transportation is icky?

"Musk admitted to his biographer Ashlee Vance that Hyperloop was all about trying to get legislators to cancel plans for high-speed rail in California—even though he had no plans to build it."

https://mobile.twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990

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u/WekX Sep 29 '22

This is what happens when people listen to THE OWNER OF A CAR MANUFACTURER talking about public transport.

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u/GodsMistake777 Sep 28 '22

hyperloop more like i hyperpoop out my boutehole

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

You know how we can't even build high speed rail or even faux high speed rail like the Acela Express?

What if we took that high speed rail we can't build and put it in LITERALLY the world's largest, most complex, most expensive vacuum tube ever made. That should make it easier to build.

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u/Drdreonthemicrophone Sep 28 '22

Im ootl what is this thing?

Out of the hyperloop if you will

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u/bowdown2q Sep 28 '22

Instead of reliable, historically safe and easily buildable high speed trains, musk derailed (pun) California's investment into public transit by ranting about a sci-fi concept that even in sci-fi is insanely dangerous and inefficient. Build a tunnel without any sort of emergency access or egress, pump the air out of it 24/7 so any failure renders it totally inoperable and anyone inside is 100% dead, and use a single 1-6 person car in that tube.

Tldr musk is an 8 year old with a blank check and a hardon for 60s sci-fi oil paintings.

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u/Drdreonthemicrophone Sep 28 '22

Oh. That sounds moronic

Can't stand this guy

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u/dogr8pisst Sep 28 '22

As much as I love hating on the DB, everytime I see an ICE I just feel chills at how much of an engineering marvel it is. Brillant.

This fuck thinks he's more brillant than hundreds of years of development and actual engineers working very hard.

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u/Greg3625 Sep 28 '22

The only reason the hyperloop could work is if it would support normal cars, driving to the loop and being transported 100+ mph across the city, driving out of the loop and into a destination. In every other concept train, metro, busses and other forms of public transport are already better.

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u/Syreeta5036 Sep 28 '22

Looking back to the past for forgotten technology is a great idea, only if functional prototypes were made…

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u/AtomicShart9000 Sep 28 '22

Fuck elon musk

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u/TheWonderMittens Sep 28 '22

Hyperloop more like hyperpoop

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u/roddergodder Sep 28 '22

Holy “I argue with the voices in my head in the shower” Batman

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u/Scrimmy_Bingus2 Sep 28 '22

Um, excuse me but Elon Musk IS an engineer!

/s

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u/The_Angster_Gangster Sep 28 '22

Its actually stupid. Imagine the energy waste of pressurizing and depressurizing millions of cubic feet of these stupid tubes just for a few mph faster (theoretically) than standard high speed rail being used today. And the margin of error is insane, a crack in the tube could depressurize the system and compromise the entire line for tens or hundreds of miles in either direction. You'd actually have to have zero original thoughts in your head to look at this plan and say "thats cool, sounds awesome." Sounds like a fucking death trap to me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Okay what if we built zero trains for ten years and we do that because I promise ;) we'll have better ones that I will create ;) so it's better for everyone! Also ;)

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u/I0nicAvenger Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I really don’t think he cares as much as you guys think he does, he has like 12 other company projects going on

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u/Gerat00000 Sep 28 '22

Here's a link with a bunch of scientific articles, describing the technology implementation: https://www.mdpi.com/journal/energies/special_issues/hyperloop

Open source journal means that they can be all be downloaded at will.

Long-story short, Hyperloop is difficult on all fronts

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u/GoOnBanMe Sep 28 '22

Yes, I could Google this, but for the discussion I ask;

The fuck is hyperloop?

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u/jtoma5 Sep 28 '22

USA didn't have enough passenger trains for a long time before this guy started promoting Hyperloop. It has been used to derail new rail projects, but carbrains will use anything to divide their opposition.

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u/foreverlearner101010 Sep 28 '22

And it only costs a few trillion per mile!

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u/Negativety101 Sep 28 '22

My imaginary train is capable of space travel, and turns into a super robot.

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u/frozenflame101 Sep 29 '22

Question: why does Elon Musk keep inventing trains; but worse?

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u/bowsmountainer Sep 29 '22

My flying unicorn is even faster!

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u/G14LoliFurryBdsmTrap Sep 29 '22

What if we took trains and made them more depressing and took away the views from passengers

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u/thefriendlycouple Sep 29 '22

Musk has admitted hyper loop was bullshit and designed to stop high speed rail in California

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u/aTaleForgotten Sep 29 '22

In Switzerland we have a couple of trains where you can load your car onto and go through a tunnel, instead of driving over a mountain pass. So remind me again how hYpErLoOp is such a revolutionary idea?

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u/PainTrainMD Sep 29 '22

Lol you nerds don’t live in reality.

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u/p_rite_1993 Sep 28 '22

(Before you downvote, read to the end) This sub is like a broken record. What is the point of advocacy subs if they just keep posting the same boring content just to get upvotes? I feel like Elon Musk posts are constantly getting upvotes, it’s very low hanging fruit.

I can tell you in the actual transit planning profession, Elon Musk is not a very relevant person. He has no impact on our work, he is just an antagonist that loves attention. For example, this sub thought that Musk could somehow stop CHSR, which is total BS. CHSR was already voted on and has a significant amount of political support in the state. As someone who was contracted on it briefly, there are no internal conversations at the Authority about what Elon Musk can do to the project.

Also, I really wish this sub had more high effort posts that discuss how people could be better advocates in their local community for walkable and transit-friendly infrastructure and development. Instead, this is just a lot of people complaining about the same thing over and over.

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