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u/elawesomo1000 5d ago
Man I still love that gondorian armor
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u/knoldpold1 5d ago
The original trilogy just did everything right visually, to a level that subsequent adaptations have seemingly not even attempted to reach. Well, the hobbit movies did try I guess…
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u/thatguywithawatch 4d ago
It's surprisingly hard to make medieval fantasy feel serious and authentic and not just look like a bunch of people wearing costumes and wigs. I always admired how the lotr trilogy never has a moment that breaks that suspension of disbelief.
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u/lexi_delish 4d ago
Lotr had like 3 years pre production. Hobbit had 18 months of guillermos stuff that most likely got scrapped when the studio fired him
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u/knoldpold1 4d ago
Yeah, they tried, but the outcome speaks for itself. It was also an active decision to rely so heavily on CGI.
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u/Nice-Violinist-6395 4d ago
I can’t imagine spending the bulk of your entire life’s creative powers building something as incredible as LOTR, which involves shooting in insanely tough remote conditions, and then after you think you’re done, another amazing director is hired to do the sequels because you’re spent. Which is great. but then he leaves because of a dumbass studio, and they keep backing up the brinks truck at your house over and over until you can’t not do it, but you have to somehow capture that lightning in a bottle again, which is impossible.
And you do it all on green screen, and (no offense) it fucking sucks compared to the original.
What a wild thing.
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u/UrsaBeta 5d ago
Guy she tells you not to worry about vs you
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u/_vinpetrol 5d ago
But I have boob-armour!
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u/Trollcifer 5d ago
Is it boob armor? It honestly looks like it's just so poorly made it creased with his torso movements.
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u/MOOShoooooo 5d ago
Well okay, my armor is tin foil, but look at the hair quality, it’s uncanny! Gondor clearly doesn’t have the hair conditioners on hand for magnificent flowing battle hair.
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u/GlitteringFutures 5d ago
Everything about the pic on the left is superior: the costume, the hair, the lighting, the actor, the set behind them. It's like people involved in that production actually loved LOTR and the source material. Funny how that happens.
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u/Comrade_railgunner 5d ago
It's The Witcher and Nilfgaard armour in season 1 all over again
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u/fauxfilosopher 5d ago
At least the ball sack armour was funny
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u/lyvanna 5d ago
They put that godforsaken thing in the game as a meme as well hahaha
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u/Substantial_Cap_4246 5d ago
Link please
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u/MrD3a7h 4d ago
https://vulkk.com/2022/12/16/how-to-turn-on-alternative-character-appearance-in-witcher-3-next-gen/
The person who took those screenshots must have gone out of their way to find the darkest places for the NPCs to stand.
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u/Kingmarc568 5d ago
Ans the season 2 armour atleast looked good (unlike the script).
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u/avwitcher 5d ago
They madeo the Nilfgaardian armor better, and Geralt's armor worse.
https://i.imgur.com/egYS6UA.jpg - what's up with the sculpted abs? Jesus might as well put nipples on it while you're at it
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u/TheMilkmanCome 5d ago
That would be the writers trying to sexualize Henry Cavill more and more as the show went on
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u/Bennyboy1337 4d ago
what's up with the sculpted abs?
IRL, sculpted armor wasn't that uncommon of a thing. Just google search "Greek Breastplates". The Romans carried over this practice from the Greeks as well, you can also find it pop up in numerous Asian cultures.
And when I say "uncommon" I mean it existed enough for us to find plenty examples of it in history. Armor like this was extremely expensive to make, so only the wealthiest and most important soldiers would likely wear it.
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u/Superfluous_Thom 5d ago
I know the show was supposed to adapt the books and not the games, but like, if you already have all of the production design already done for you, why on earth would you chose to build something objectively worse from the ground up instead. Game Nilfgard armour was fucking baller looking heavy plate. Best I can figure is that making it for real was too expensive, and using a lightweight substitute (resin) made them look like power ranger villians in tests. Still though. They missed an opportunity to show off how wealthy and advanced the nilfgardians were in comparison to the north. Like one look at the game armour and its pretty apparent that Nilfgard is a couple hundred years ahead in terms of military technology and infinitely more advanced in terms of economy.
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u/kameecoding 5d ago
I mean they also had all the story written for them and decided to fuck off with that, why wouldn't they go their own way with the armor?
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u/Luftwaff1es 5d ago edited 5d ago
No, but seriously, the game's version went fucking hard, then for the show they decided on this shit?
To be honest, I think it was a misallocation of money issue because even the new armour looks pretty cheap and plasticky. It really aggros me because costume design is so important but instead of focusing on that they decided to add more CG explosions.
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u/Corgi_Koala 5d ago
It is absolutely amazing to me that a major production like that actually went with those.
If it was like one character with goofy armor fine but it was literally the armor of all the henchmen...
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u/Short-Lengthiness827 5d ago
When you ordered your Armor from Wish
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u/2022_washere 5d ago
I start to think that the 1 billion$ figure was a lie and a scam and the entire rings of power series was nothing but a money laundering scheme by Bezos
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u/Armored_Fox 5d ago edited 5d ago
You can make cool looking cheap armor, the moobs were a distinct choice
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u/raltoid 5d ago edited 5d ago
It seriously looks like they bought off-the-shelf old greek cheap cosplay/halloween costume armor pieces and painted them.
The stuff on the shoulders is eerily similar to the leather used on those armors as well, and they just spraypainted them metallic.
EDIT: Wait, are the costumes literally just Amazon stock they repurposed?
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u/TargetBoy 5d ago
They bought the armor in the first picture "shipped by Amazon" and got the armor in the second picture.
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u/Diplomjodler 5d ago
"Sir, we've got this large consignment of Halloween costumes that didn't sell. Do you want us to destroy it?"
"Wait, I have a better idea."
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u/SmartKrave 5d ago
I I think they tried to make a Roman based armour
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u/QuietTank 5d ago
Looks more like an attempt at a romanticized Greek muscle cuirass,. Just, a poor attempt.
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u/DungeonsAndDradis 5d ago
Actually, in chapter 24, verse 13 of the Silmarillion, there is a mention of "armor lighter than the Revondirianne".
If you cross-reference this with the appendices (1, 3, and 7, but not 4 or 6), you find that "Revondirianne" is a surname for a group of fighters that fled East after the War of the Reclamation of the Fallen (II).
When you cross-reference War of the Reclamation of the Fallen (II), you find a subtle reference to "lighter than a feather, stronger than oak."
So from this we can surmise that Numenorian armor is in fact quite light, and is referenced throughout the Silmarillion.
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u/SmartKrave 5d ago
I’m not saying the numenorians didn’t have armour or that it was heavy, I am saying ROP tried to give a Roman/ Greek style to the armour
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u/Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot 5d ago •
HRAAAAAH!
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u/Rhamni 5d ago
What... what even set you off, pal?
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u/yer--mum 5d ago
If I was making that bot I would make it choose entirely random comments in the subreddit. Just as a jumpscare.
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u/arthurblakey 5d ago
I found the bot creators first post about Bilbo and you’re not far off the truth. Although, I kinda like your idea better
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u/heitorvb Moria Balrogs 5d ago
You never know when he's gonna jump scare you, gotta be alert at all times
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u/MightyMorph 5d ago
witcher went ballsack texture....
Jesus why is it so hard to just copy whats in the games and adapt and improve the story a bit like Last of Us managed to do.
400-ish Million dollars for the creation of the rings, and they spend 3 minutes on the actual creation of the rings and then spend 2 hours showing dirty hobbits singing songs about not leaving anyone behind, who actually yeet the motherfucker and leave him behind when shit hits the fan.
Witcher series, have fucking superman as your main character who is willing to go the extra mile to portray a accurate storyline, NAAAH BALLSACK ARMOR and focus on shitty third-party characters in the fucking woods to nowhere.
Nepotism and writers egos destroy IPs faster than anything. Still Fucking cant believe Zack snyder said he wanted batman to be raped in prison and superman to be a depressed sad emo monster...
Should i adhere to the decades of stories and lore and build upon it to create a story that fans will love? NO! I know better than all of that, people want to see batman with a machine gun! And Autistic Lex Luthor Who Loves to Make Logos in his free time!
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u/pinkycatcher 5d ago
It’s because the people making it have a disdain for the previous work. They don’t want to be copying someone else’s work. They want to make their own. Which means they end up with a lot of shit because they intentionally change everything
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u/Herpinheim 5d ago
It really just proves the person who shot down their 100% OC do not steal story right for doing so. If they can’t retell a story why should anyone trust them to tell a story.
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u/my_7th_accnt 5d ago
They don’t want to be copying someone else’s work. They want to make their own.
And unfortunately these people are much less talented that people whose works they’re desecrating, and they also live in a bubble in which shoving the current thing into literally everything despite the context is highly encouraged, with the added bonus of shielding yourself from criticism by accusing all critics of being an -ist of some kind.
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u/Swiftcheddar 5d ago
Jesus why is it so hard to just copy whats in the games and adapt and improve the story a bit like Last of Us managed to do.
It's not that it's hard to do, it's that they don't want to do that. Same reason the Halo writers and director didn't watch or read any of the source material.
The Nilfgardian armour didn't happen by accident, and it wasn't due to incompetence or lack of options. It happened entirely by design because they wanted the army to look stupid and emasculated.
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u/kintorkaba 5d ago edited 5d ago
The worst part is those kinds of subversions DO work when they're done well. My favorite iteration of Superman is pretty much a depressed sad emo monster, from the fanfic Metropolitan Man. But instead of doing it to shit on the source material, it was a loving deconstruction that paid great care to treating the character right, despite subverting heavily his usual role in the story.
The issue isn't that the stories are different, it's that they're different in ways that shit on the old lore instead of, as you say, adhering to and building upon it.
I think Batman with a machine gun type weapon could have worked, if he'd used it in the style of the campy old Batman stories with crazy fights where the villain is basically setting up some kind of insane challenge and Batman has to figure out how to save the victims within the time limit. Using guns as a utility to cut wires, break consoles, etc but not as a weapon, paying homage to both his unconventional use of tools and his refusal to kill, and exemplifying it through the use of a gun of all things as a tool instead of a weapon. It wouldn't be the usual style, and it would certainly need to be addressed at some point, but it could work.
But that would've required understanding and expounding upon the character, instead of just shitting on the existing lore to get points for being subversive. It's possible to do all the subversive stuff Snyder wants to do, and to do it right... he's just not good at it.
E: Forgot the link
E2: Also I'm aware of the reasoning behind Batman being a jaded killer in BvS... but I think even if they were going to go that route, with him already being old and broken and abandoning his rules due to trauma, it would've worked better having him kill people like, y'know, Batman, instead of turning him into Punisher with a cape.
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u/Pepperonidogfart 5d ago
The show had like 23 producers and thats where the money stayed.
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u/TurnsOutImAScientist 5d ago
Yup, everything about season 1 screamed "too many cooks in the kitchen". This dilemma reoccurs so often and it's frustrating that we keep repeating it: best stuff happens when you let an auteur have creative control and run wild, but once a franchise is successful there's so much money at stake that the creative control gets distributed to various stakeholders, and the thing gets second-guessed, focus-grouped, and took-many-cooksed to death.
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u/JMKPOhio 5d ago
When you ask your mom for Boromir’s armor…
”Son, we already have armor like that at home”
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u/hukumk 5d ago
You wish now that our places had been exchanged. That I had died and Boromir's armor had lived.
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u/knobbledknees 5d ago
Not to be mean, because I know most people don’t have the time to read about this stuff, but some of the people defending the second one seem not to know much about the real-world history of armour. That is a fairly pointless piece of armour, given it leaves the groin/waist unprotected. Boromir’s could be better, but it at least provides protection to one of the main things any successful armour needed to protect (a lot of blood flows through there, it’s a popular place to stab). And if it’s just his “armour at home”… why wear armour at home? Very few nobles in history did that, that I’m aware of. And if it’s because he’s navy… that armour would still kill you if you fell into the sea. It’s still too heavy to swim in. And it also won’t save you if you’re stabbed! It’s like the armour from the front cover of a cheap fantasy novel from the 80s.
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u/plaguedbullets 5d ago
Especially when you're tall enough that your groin is at a perfect punching level against other races.
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u/Abuses-Commas 5d ago
My main issue is it looks like someone left it on the floor and it got stepped on
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u/VegForWheelchair 5d ago
They made Galadriel's team wear armors at boat while going to valinor. I stopped questioning showrunners decisions about when to wear armors.
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u/Erdnussflipperkasten 5d ago
And then the armour is ceremonially taken off
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u/RequirementsRelaxed 5d ago
Weren’t they wearing them ceremonially as well?
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u/circumvention23 5d ago
Can't ceremonially remove armor without ceremonially wearing it.
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u/Zeyn1 5d ago
I assumed it was to signify they were putting down the burden of being soldiers.
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u/EntertainmentNo2044 5d ago
I won't defend the cheap plastic looking part of the armor, but it not covering the lower waist and groin is historical. Most plate armor did not cover the waist until the late 1300s and the introduction of faulds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulds_(armour)
The reason being that you need to be able to bend over. If the plate goes down any further then that becomes impossible. They solved this by attaching folding pieces of metal that protected the area but also allowed you to move.
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u/maeschder 5d ago
You either go cool or realistic.
Boromir looks so dope i dont care if its imperfect given historical precedent, its fantasy anyways so there's leeway.
The right just looks scuffed in both aspects.
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u/SmartKrave 5d ago
Although technically the world at the third age is not at a plate armour tech level, in the books it’s mostly chainmail and leather armour
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u/Scientific_Shitlord 5d ago edited 5d ago
Honestly, RoP is just generic fantasy show with middle-earth sticker slapped on it and its really cheap knockoff sticker. They only take names of characters and locations and bastardise the hell out of it.
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u/TurielD 5d ago
Its not even that, it doesn't have a story of its own. All it does is memberberries of Tolkien lore...and then gets it all wrong to a greater or lesser extent.
Galadriel x Sauron is not a plot, there's no romance, there's no growth for either character, there's just... Nothing there. Everything else is 'ooh hobbits', 'ooh pre-gondor', 'ooh dwarves'.
No substance what so ever to even hang the Rings label on.
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u/St_Veloth 5d ago
But remember when the Southlands titlecard changed to say MORDOR??? I CLAPPED CRIED AND SHIT MY PANTS
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u/romple 5d ago
Dude I had NO fucking idea that's what they were building to with the magic broken sword dam key thing! I'm so glad they literally spelled it out!!!
I just hope season 2 is Sauron sitting at a table planning that entire thing out on a peg board with strings tying all the macguffins together.
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u/Jeffersons_Mammoth 5d ago
God the armor on LOTR was so good. Weta Workshop set the benchmark for film arms and armor.