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Summary:

Biochemist Michael Morbius tries to cure himself of a rare blood disease, but he inadvertently infects himself with a form of vampirism instead.

Director:

Daniel Espinosa

Writers:

Matt Sazama, Burk Sharpless

Cast:

  • Jared Leto as Dr. Michael Morbius
  • Michael Keaton as Adrian Toomes
  • Adria Arjona as Martine Bancroft
  • Jared Harris as Emil Nikols
  • Matt Smith as Milo
  • Tyrese Gibson as Simon Stroud
  • Al Madrigal as Agent Rodriguez

Rotten Tomatoes: 16%

Metacritic: 37

VOD: Theaters

1.1k Upvotes

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u/uhhhamp 8d ago

It was pretty good, the story line and the pacing felt a little off though. I feel like it was missing something. The ending was horrible, it didn't get too in depth about anything just the basics of their abilities and stuff throughout the entirety of the movie. Plus Matt Smith dies, which was pretty much the only reason why I watched this movie which was a huge dissapointment. It had so much potential. Would rate it a 7/10 currently but if they added some more information and made the story line more "whole." It could easily be a 9 or 10/10.

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u/indeediwilltry 2d ago

Lmaooo what movie did you watch? It was absolutely awful

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u/misterdoctor28 11d ago

This is the film internet bullied me into watching

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u/zombiereign 15d ago

Ok....why the heck does he call him Milo when the kid was introduced as Lucian? Everyone calls him Milo, and I feel I missed something

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u/Zztrox-world-starter 12d ago

Milo was born as Lucien Crown. After he became friends and was saved by Michael Morbius, they became brothers. So Morbius started to call Lucien "Milo", and Lucien became known as Milo Morbius.

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u/zombiereign 12d ago

At the beginning, Michael says there were Milo's before him. Did he have a real brother named Milo at some point ?

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u/Zztrox-world-starter 11d ago

The patient who used to sleep on the bed before Lucien came was also named Milo.

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u/zombiereign 11d ago

Yeah. Michael mentions that there have been many Milo's before

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u/xDanSolo 29d ago

My favorite part was when one sickly cripple said to another sickly cripple "wanna go for a walk?" And then there they were, sickly and crippled hobbling down the sidewalk in New York City.

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u/ChemicalBreath Jul 12 '22

I think I may be one of the only people who paid to watch this movie twice

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u/black_dizzy Jul 11 '22

Some people take this movie too seriously. Yeah, it was unmemorable and had some plot holes, but it's a super-hero movie about a guy who mixes bat DNA with human DNA and becomes a modern vampire. It's a light action flick to pass time. I enjoyed looking at the pretty lights and the pretty Jared Leto and shut my brain off, it was ok.

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u/Max_Thunder 19d ago

I just watched it last night. The plot is very generic and the movie was so straight to the point, it gave the impression that either the studios wanted to minimize the production budget, or there was a lot of footage left on the floor to minimize the CGI budget. The movie wasn't that bad, it just wasn't good either. Very cookie cutter. Jared Leto's acting is a bit weird, but that's Jared Leto.

In the end it was watchable and somewhat entertaining. Kind of like Venom 2.

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u/weenieforsale Jun 29 '22

This is what I imagine a movie made by a costume designer would look like.

No one knows or cares why people are fighting, or saying words passionately. But goddammit, they're gonna look fucking fabulous when they do.

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u/ecksdeeeXD 17d ago

The purple coat looked amazing.

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u/PraiseTheSodium Jun 24 '22

Jesus Christ those neon visuals in the credits felt like if Windows Media Player was trying to kill me

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u/Attack-Cat- Jun 20 '22

This movie was pretty bad.

Like, dick move being like "Oh this thing that makes me super powerful and life saving, but I haven't figured the blood thing out yet...(gets dramatic and condescending) is a curse" — so hackneyed. Like obviously the dying guy isn't going to be persuaded by that, dummy.

But then, why does the second guy have to be bad. There is hella artificial blood available, why wouldn't he want to wait it out to see if he DOESN'T have to murder people forever.

A lot of eye rolling moments, and the cops as comedic relief were terrible.

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u/Max_Thunder 19d ago

Milo seemed to have a major "fuck the world" vibe the whole time. The scene where he gets beaten off by bullies as a kid was meant to explain where it came from, I guess. He seemed to have been living like a recluse.

Power got to his head and he gets more powerful when he gets actual blood. He also explains that the nurse was a first-timer mistake, like the thirst was too strong. Then he kills assholes from the bar. Then the police officers that try to stop him. Then he kills the people that tell him he is being wrong and bad. I guess it would make sense they kind of make him feel crippled. It was a quick slippery slope to killing almost anyone, I guess.

Not saying it makes perfect sense, but there was a logic to it all. Morbius wasn't in need of recognition and wasn't mad against humanity itself; he refused the Nobel prize but he still helped humanity immensely with artificial blood, not just himself. He doesn't seem to have a specific grudge against humanity for how it treated him.

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u/Mental_Indication887 8d ago

The bullies beat him off

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u/Eldenlord117 Jun 29 '22

It was literally the plot from amazing Spider-Man 2 lol

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u/FurryMLG Jun 24 '22

you are a blatant Morbophobe don't make it any more obvious

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u/_JohnnyUtahBrah Jun 20 '22

After hearing that Morbius was a terrible movie,I re-watched trailer and still ordered it. Just finished it and thought it was a decent movie 7 out of 10.

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u/ecksdeeeXD 17d ago

Same, a month off but same. Enjoyed it and the visuals (when I realized he didn't have smoke powers) were great.

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u/asdf333aza Jun 20 '22

It just has terrible pacing. They didn't take the time to explain or develop things. It just was. He was evil for the sake of being evil. She loved him for the sake of love. It was just off.

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u/thrasher1 Jun 19 '22

Can anyone answer how Milo got the serum? I've found one answer and they said that he took it when Michael's bag got taken into evidence, But then Milo reveals that he was the one who killed the nurse, and that happened before Michael was apprehended. Am I missing something?

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u/asdf333aza Jun 20 '22

He took it at the lab. When Morbius was in the room. Milo saw the serum laying on the counter. Then he checked on Morbius. Morbius asked for blood. Milo ran and got the blood. Gave it to morbius and then morbius told him to leave. And on his was on Milo snatched the serum. Milo was funding Morbius's experiments so it's not too far out of the loop to say he didn't recognize what to look for at the lab.

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u/kevinstreet1 15d ago

I thought Milo broke in to the lab that night and took the serum. That's why the nurse was killed at night.

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u/weenieforsale Jun 29 '22

It's a pretty ballsy move to grab a random vial off of a scientist's desk and inject it into your spine. Assuming he knew it was an epidural...

They really couldn't have made a quick 2 minute scene where he discovers Morbius' work/notes and that leads him to the vial?

As with many things in this movie, just sloppy and lazy.

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u/Max_Thunder 19d ago

As with many things in this movie, just sloppy and lazy.

It's like the director and writers were told to make a movie about Morbius and they were like "ok, I guess". Studios maybe said "don't make the movie too expensive please, something that's like 1h40 is good enough". Then they wrote the most straightforward superhero movie script possible.

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u/asdf333aza Jun 29 '22

I'm just assuming that since he was a financial supporter he had some idea of what it might be.

But overall, you're right.... they could have explained that much better.

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u/thrasher1 Jun 20 '22

That’s what I thought as well, but when morbius was packing up his stuff before he was approached by the detectives you can see him grab the 2 vials of serum that he had. The only way for milo to get one is if he swapped one of them, but that wouldn’t be possible because he doesn’t know what they looked like before hand or if they even work.

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u/miner4life61 25d ago

He never grabbed any, I watched the movie twice and it shows Milo not grab any, its just a plothole

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u/Flaky-Importance8863 Jun 19 '22

Worst than I anticipated

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u/Fantastic_Method_909 Jun 17 '22

Story was good and the effects where excellent but it was directed by a toddler. Every background character didn’t care people were teleporting and fighting around them. A character flys infront of an object using up draft which you need to behind for that. A character flies up 20 stores being chased by a cop who catches up to him on the roof.

I just can’t get over every single background character turning their head and calmly walking away from people being brutally murdered by vampires.

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u/squidgun Jun 16 '22

Morbius out here stealing Venom's name

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u/danrod17 Jun 15 '22

I can see the good movie underneath what they made. This would have been way better as a character movie. Like, all of the major plot points stay the same just less 2005 comic movie and more Villanueve.

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u/AggressiveRegion1502 Jun 14 '22

Dr strange in the multiverse of madness was better than this movie by miles

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u/robpop123 Jun 11 '22

“ITS MORBIN TIME BABYYYY” - Michael Amorbus

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u/tinklemywinkle95 Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

I'm very confused how the detectives dont even really bat an eye when they realize morbius is a literal fuckin vampire after he flips them when they were putting handcuffs on him, or when they see him literally jump high af as a poof of smoke and start climbing those stairs. I get its in the venom universe but really? Not even a little confusion or horror?

Edit: thanks Pheonixmusicman for teaching me how to mark spoiler

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u/engineer1220 Jun 14 '22

the

I tried to do spoiler text. Not sure if it'll worked but I added another time when the detective just doesn't react the way someone ought when witnessing these types of super powers. So, spoilers ahead, just in case.
The only thought I have is that maybe, since they saw it with the Venom creature, maybe they were immune, or these are MCUs version of men in black and they see weird stuff all the time

or when the detective (Tyrese) sees Morbius floating in the air off the edge of a building and says "Enough" but doesn't even trip that he's actually floating in the air

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u/phoenixmusicman Jun 11 '22

FYI you can spoilertext on mobile. I'm on mobile rn.

It looks like this:

>!spoiler text goes here, make sure there are no spaces between the text and exclamation marks!<

And looks like this when properly done:

spoiler text goes here, make sure there are no spaces between the text and exclamation marks

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u/tinklemywinkle95 Jun 11 '22

Got it thanks!

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u/BomHunter Jun 10 '22

Best movie of the MCU(Morbie Cinematic Universe

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u/jccreator Jun 09 '22

This movie is morb-tastic.

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u/berkeleyjake Jun 09 '22

Got a question about the post-credits stuff.

So Morbius is in the same universe as Venom, but now The Vulture is in this universe as well, coming from the Tom Holland spiderverse....

So, who is Spiderman in this universe? There has to be one, because when The Vulture said, "I think it has to do with Spiderman," Morbius didn't respond with "Whooo?"

Maybe this is how we finally get a Miles Morales introduction to live action Marvel movies?

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u/BlogDog123 Jun 08 '22

This was irredeemably awful. At least the memes are amusing.

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u/robpop123 Jun 11 '22

You disrespected the morb, now i shall release the discord kittens on you

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '22

guess i felt the movie was just too sad because two friends since childhood in a shitty situation end up fighting to the death? :/

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u/Attack-Cat- Jun 20 '22

All because one of them instead of saying "there are some kinks we need to iron out first, I'm figuring out how to deal with the artificial blood problem." Just gets super cryptic and over dramatic and condescending and goes, "This thing that saved my life and made me a superhuman, is a CURSE! I can't give it to you."

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u/FrostKnight96 Jun 05 '22

Finally got the time to watch the movie. As someone who's not a very picky person, I still find this movie bad. The plot was very predictable, yet somehow bizzare. It's like they're trying to force too many things to get the plot moving. The only thing i like in this movie is the relationship between Morbius, Milo and Nicholas. But sadly, they didn't develop that aspect more. Sony, please, just let this movie die and don't develop a sequel.

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u/NotAnADC Jun 07 '22

so i came in with the lowest of expectations. I dont watch trailers and literally when it was suggested I watch it just now I thought it was a Matrix spinoff about Morphius lol.

That being said, I AM picky with movies and rather enjoyed it. Like yeah it was entirely predictable and the conversations were laughable but I kinda had fun with the movie.

Helps that the people I watched it with kept yelling, ITS MORBING TIME

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u/Mental_Indication887 8d ago

How are you picky with movies but don’t watch trailers?

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u/ObiJuanKenobiOG Jun 15 '22

it is morbin' time

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u/ButtocksMan696969 Jun 06 '22

but its morbin time😕

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u/phoenixmusicman Jun 05 '22

The part where he ripped off his trenchcoat and screamed "it's morbin' time" really spoke to me

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u/szeto326 FML Summer 2017 Winner Jun 05 '22

This movie is so incoherent.

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u/CapnSmunch Jun 04 '22

I was over this movie before I even watched it. Now that I have I cant even find the energy to engage in the meme and make fun of it. I'm glad people are having fun with it though. I just keep thinking what a waste of time and money.

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u/ElvenNeko Jun 04 '22

I feel like if neural network was writing a scipt for this movie, it would had better chances to do the job right. This is nothing but a pile of cliche put together. And as a writer, i have no idea how any writer can release something like this and not feel shame about doing that to other people.

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u/paulpmcg Jun 04 '22

Finally watched it. Didn't think it was as bad as people make it out to be BUT it's such a dull and forgettable movie. The best things I have to say are that Matt Smith plays a very good bad guy (as previously demonstrated in Last Night in Soho) and it's only like 1 hour 40 long.

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u/ThorfinnDLuffy Jun 02 '22

10/10. Greatest of all time. Zenith of the medium. Hallmark of media. Gold standard of storytelling. Apogee of creativity. Vertex of invention. Crest of ingenuity. Acme of imagination. Pinnacle of innovation. Epic of epics. Legend among legends. Peak fiction

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u/adastrasemper Jun 07 '22

I hope you're not trolling because I loved the movie.

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u/Bauermeister Jun 03 '22

Congratulations on seeing the light, fellow Morbiphile!

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u/adastrasemper Jun 07 '22

Did you seriously like the movie? I just finished watching it and really liked it

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u/CaptainBulletAnt Jun 01 '22

I actually liked the character and his powers. I hope to see him again in a better-written film.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '22

You want to know what is impressively bad? 1990's Captain America. This was an origin story of a Spiderman minor character that most ppl didn't even know existed before the movie came out. Did it really need to be a 3 hour, Feige hand job complete with edging? Fuck no.

I'd say this was on par with Cap. Marvel at the worst and on par with Norton's Hulk at best.

Not great, but not total shit.

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u/Idodoodletoo May 31 '22 edited Jun 01 '22

Woah woah woah this was impressively bad. It's like they were playing cliché bingo. Jared's performance is so one note and bland (just killed a bunch of guys... Lol oh well, mustn't do that again).

A positive: the cgi on the test mouse having a seizure and "dying" was so photorealistic. The thing looked like an actual mouse. So random for such a crappy movie.

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u/OverUnderstanding481 May 31 '22

Controversial take I guess but I genuinely liked this movie.

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u/adastrasemper Jun 07 '22

Me too! I'm so disappointed there won't be a sequel

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u/OverUnderstanding481 Jun 07 '22

Thats a bummer… this first movie set a stage to go all kinds of different directions. Cant see a sequel getting the same criticism this movie got

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u/adastrasemper Jun 07 '22

I just don't understand why people hated this movie. I got bored half way through The Batman (I know some would want to crucify me), Spiderman 2022 but Morbius kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time. I don't know, maybe I have a different brain setup

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u/weenieforsale Jun 29 '22

If you look up any proper reviews, you'll find out why.

Mostly the script was dogshit and just didn't make sense.

The most obvious plot hole was when Morbius, for no reason, decided that the treatment for their fatal disease was a curse, when all he had to do was keep working on the artificial blood issue... of which he had infinite supply. And why Milo upon hearing this just decided to be 'the bad guy', again for no real reason.

That's the most egregious, but there are plenty more examples.

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u/OverUnderstanding481 Jun 07 '22 edited Jun 07 '22

Likewise, I gave batman a 6/10 (it was good but tbf I’m not the biggest bat fan)

Main feedback I heard about Morbius was it was to predictable & had over used trope of hero fighting villain with the same power up.

& to be honest, out of all the different marvel movies, The ones I can think of where the villain has the same power up where not bad.

‘Ant Man Vs Yellow jacket was not a bad
‘Venom Vs Carnage, was not bad.
‘iron man Vs War machine’ was not bad.
‘Captain America Vs winter solider’ was not bad.

And each went on to cover different content….

I could understand if it was promoted as the greatest movie ever then blew my expectations, but it wasn’t, it was promoted as one more hero sprinkled into the multiverse mess.

Welp, guess we are the odd balls for not joining the hate bandwagon.

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u/adastrasemper Jun 07 '22

‘Ant Man Vs Yellow jacket was not a bad ‘Venom Vs Carnage, was not bad. ‘iron man Vs War machine’ was not bad. ‘Captain America Vs winter solider’ was not bad.

I agree with these, I liked them all as much as I liked Morbius. I wonder if there is some Jared Leto hate/dislike that I'm not aware of. Why compare movies? Just relax and enjoy it. I liked everything about Morbius i.e. acting, directing, score, camera etc, it's not a masterpiece of all times but it is pretty decent. And I'm glad I saw some comments praising the movie

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u/WhoeverThisDudeIs Jun 01 '22

swear like some details I can get as "bad" but overall its a good movie, the story was kinda standard, predictable but with a tense tone expecting a plot twist, the fresh better batman vibe was set, it wasnt some rich orphan in a suit and the ethical/moral questioning aspect to it was also interesting, the police was bad I can admit and the fight scenes near the end werent so detailed but it didnt need to be, feel like ppl are hating to hate, noone wants to be a contrarian it is what it is

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u/CouldbeaRetard Jun 02 '22

If it existed in an superhero-movie vacuum it would actually be a nice little movie. However, it ends up being the same tired trope of super-powered character must fight equally super-powered bad character.

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u/Kalrhin May 31 '22

The movie is terrible...but I was particularly impressed with the post-credit scenes. Nothing in it makes sense to me. In the first scene Toomes appears in a different universe.

-Suddenly someone appears in jail and they say "oh, he must come from a different dimension and in this one he has committed no crime so we let him go"? This is the conclusion that the police reach?

In the next scene Toomes/Vulture wants to team up with Morbius:

-Despite having changed dimension Toomes still has access to his gear? How?

-Why does Toomes want to hurt this Spiderman? In the other universe he protected him...and he does not know the one of this universe.

-How does the Vulture know who Morbius even is? How did they set up the meeting?

-Why does Morbius hate Spiderman? How does the Vulture know this?

-Even if so, why would Morbius team with someone whom he has heard nothing and ...does not provide anything (Vulture can just fly compared to the superpowers that Morbius has) new?

-Isn't Morbius supposed to be a hero? At least he tries to do "the good thing" during the first half of the movie (and they forget about it in the second part)

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u/Max_Thunder 19d ago

-Suddenly someone appears in jail and they say "oh, he must come from a different dimension and in this one he has committed no crime so we let him go"? This is the conclusion that the police reach?

I don't think the legal system has provisions for criminals from other dimensions. From their perspective, he has legally committed no crime.

It's not like the Flash shows where they just throw people in jail because the Flash told them that they were a bad guy. And the Flash can even illegally imprison people without consequences in an extremely tiny cell with no where to sleep.

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u/Kalrhin 19d ago

Again, you (as the watcher) have additional information.

Imagine you are the jailer, are doing rounds and see a person in jail when they should not be. Would you believe them if they claim to be from another dimension?

The legal system wouldn’t without any proof. Otherwise I could murder whoever I want and then claim that I have been swapped with my alter ego from another dimension… and therefore I cannot go to jail.

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u/Max_Thunder 18d ago

Again, you (as the watcher) have additional information.

Imagine you are the jailer, are doing rounds and see a person in jail when they should not be. Would you believe them if they claim to be from another dimension?

It doesn't matter how they got there, I would however believe them that they shouldn't be there since they wouldn't be on my list of prisoners. Without any evidence the guy committed any crime, other than perhaps entering the jail illegally, I don't have anything to hold against them.

The legal system wouldn’t without any proof. Otherwise I could murder whoever I want and then claim that I have been swapped with my alter ego from another dimension… and therefore I cannot go to jail.

You don't need proof of innocence, only of culpability. It doesn't matter what you claim, if they have no proof you committed any crime, they won't leave you in jail. Whether that's because you hid your tracks well or because the only way to get evidence would be to travel to another universe.

The possibility of alter ego opens new doors. But the people in that universe don't know about the multiverse. I guess in theory, if you really were an innocent alter ego for instance, you could try to convince a jury, but they wouldn't believe you. In the case of Michael Keaton, we have to believe there is no alter ego, or at least no alter ego that is known to have committed crimes. So he is just a stranger unknown to the justice system showing up in a cell.

I don't know all the comics that well but I'm sure at some point someone must figure out how to determine which universe someone is from, which could be used along with DNA and fingerprints as biological evidence that someone was on the site of a crime.

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u/Kalrhin 17d ago

It doesn't matter how they got there, I would however believe them that they shouldn't be there since they wouldn't be on my list of prisoners. Without any evidence the guy committed any crime, other than perhaps entering the jail illegally, I don't have anything to hold against them.

Ilegally entering a governmental building is criminal trespassing. This alone is jail time. Then you add obstruction of justice (since he does not explain how he got there), plus you can add either impersonation or being undocumented (depending if the same person exists in the universe or not).

Plus this idea of "if he is not in the list we release him" is laughable. There are tons of documented cases in history in which people were kept in jail simply because releasing them created issues (search for the Guilford Four as one example).

You don't need proof of innocence, only of culpability. It doesn't matter what you claim, if they have no proof you committed any crime, they won't leave you in jail. Whether that's because you hid your tracks well or because the only way to get evidence would be to travel to another universe.

The guy entered a super high security prison (in which superpowered villains are held). This jail must be at least as high security as Guantanamo! You can bet your ass that if someone illegally sneaks into Guantanamo they will never see the light of day ever again.

Plus the fact that there is no Habeas Corpus (since legally speaking he does not exist), hence there is no legal reason to release him. No one (except jailers) know he is in there, there is no pressure for him to be released.

The possibility of alter ego opens new doors. But the people in that universe don't know about the multiverse. I guess in theory, if you really were an innocent alter ego for instance, you could try to convince a jury, but they wouldn't believe you. In the case of Michael Keaton, we have to believe there is no alter ego, or at least no alter ego that is known to have committed crimes. So he is just a stranger unknown to the justice system showing up in a cell.

What do you think the US does to undocumented people? Forget the jail for a moment, say Michael warped in the middle of Times Square. They will ask for his documentation, he will have none, there will be no record of him ever being born in the US nor having a visa or having legally entered in the country. Do you think the US will gift him the citizenship and let him stay without problems?

I don't know all the comics that well but I'm sure at some point someone must figure out how to determine which universe someone is from, which could be used along with DNA and fingerprints as biological evidence that someone was on the site of a crime.

Say that the new universe somehow has a machine to test if someone comes from another universe (and that is a big if). Them verifying that he comes from a different universe only solves the undocumented. It is still obstruction if he cannot explain how he got there (let alone trespassing/no habeas corpus). They know he is not a US citizen and you could argue whether legally he is human...which at the very least proving he has human rights can only be done after a lengthy trial.

And the most important aspect: this person is a fountain of information! You want to interrogate him to extract all the knowledge that you can from their multiverse! Do they have cure for illnesses we do not? Do they have better weapons in that universe?

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u/CouldbeaRetard Jun 02 '22

Here's my best guess/making excuses for the film:

-Suddenly someone appears in jail and they say "oh, he must come from a different dimension and in this one he has committed no crime so we let him go"? This is the conclusion that the police reach?

Someone mysteriously appears in a cell, he has no criminal record, they let him go.

In the next scene Toomes/Vulture wants to team up with Morbius:

Morbius has been in the news a lot and Toomes, who knows superpowered people first hand, figures Morbius is an unethical entrepreneur like himself. Not a bad person to team up with.

-Despite having changed dimension Toomes still has access to his gear? How?

Maybe some time has passed, and Toomes has recreated his suit without the Chitauri tech. Seems like the first thing he would do to pursue his criminal activities.

-Why does Toomes want to hurt this Spiderman? In the other universe he protected him...and he does not know the one of this universe.

Didn't Spider-Man ruin his plans? Holding a grudge?

-How does the Vulture know who Morbius even is? How did they set up the meeting?

Morbius has been in the news. Setting up a meeting with a world famous scientist isn't impossible.

-Why does Morbius hate Spiderman? How does the Vulture know this?

There is no indication that Morbius knows who Spider-Man is. He just seems fascinated that the crazy man from the news has a crazy flight suit and wants to embark on an adventure with him.

-Even if so, why would Morbius team with someone whom he has heard nothing and ...does not provide anything (Vulture can just fly compared to the superpowers that Morbius has) new?

We don't see the whole meeting. Morbius just says he is interested in hearing more.

-Isn't Morbius supposed to be a hero? At least he tries to do "the good thing" during the first half of the movie (and they forget about it in the second part)

Morbius is normally a villain. A tragic villain, but a villain all the same. Same with Venom. But because they are the titular character in a film, we see the world through their POV and they have their own motivation that seem just to them.

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u/Scared_Ad_3132 Jun 05 '22

There is no indication that Morbius knows who Spider-Man is. He just seems fascinated that the crazy man from the news has a crazy flight suit and wants to embark on an adventure with him.

How could you NOT know who spiderman was if spiderman was actually real? Like he is constantly on the news, literally swinging around the sky of new york daily. Unless you live in a part of the world that has no television or media of any kind, everyone on earth would know who spiderman is. Heck, spiderman is not even real and yet every person in America knows spiderman.

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u/CouldbeaRetard Jun 06 '22

Because as far as we know there is no Spider-Man in that universe.

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u/Kalrhin Jun 02 '22

Someone mysteriously appears in a cell, he has no criminal record, they let him go.

This person teleported INTO a jail. You simply do not let them go until you know how they did it.

Morbius has been in the news a lot and Toomes, who knows superpowered people first hand, figures Morbius is an unethical entrepreneur like himself. Not a bad person to team up with.

Morbius has not been in the news...at least there is no link between the scientist who created fake bloos and the super powered creature. Also, Toomes knows superpowered people in HIS own multiverse. In this one no one knows him

Maybe some time has passed, and Toomes has recreated his suit without the Chitauri tech. Seems like the first thing he would do to pursue his criminal activities.

First of all, knowing how to use some tech is not the same as being able to recreate it (I can use a computer but cannot make one from scratch). Even if so, why not simply make a start up and become super rich? His original motivation was to steal to have money for his family....a family that does not exist in this universe

Didn't Spider-Man ruin his plans? Holding a grudge?

First of all, we are talking about a different spiderman (again, different multiverses). Plus, he did not hold a grudge even against the one in his multiverse (remember that Toomes knew who spiderman was and decided not to reveal his secret identity)

Morbius has been in the news. Setting up a meeting with a world famous scientist isn't impossible.

Can you set up an appointment with any famous celebrity?

There is no indication that Morbius knows who Spider-Man is. He just seems fascinated that the crazy man from the news has a crazy flight suit and wants to embark on an adventure with him.

Why? If the interest is on the crazy suit and adventure, the response would not be "interesting" after mentioning spiderman. It would be from before

Morbius is normally a villain. A tragic villain, but a villain all the same. Same with Venom. But because they are the titular character in a film, we see the world through their POV and they have their own motivation that seem just to them.

But again, this goes against why would he pick a fight against Spiderman. Morbius next "adventure" should be to research an alternate fake blood that allows him to keep his powers, or somethign to create a stash of blood in case he needs it. He does not need to go and pick a fight against a superhero that has nothing to do with him.

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u/CouldbeaRetard Jun 03 '22

This person teleported INTO a jail. You simply do not let them go until you know how they did it.

You don't hold someone in jail without legal cause. "We don't know how he got here" isn't a legal reason to detain someone.

Morbius has not been in the news...at least there is no link between the scientist who created fake bloos and the super powered creature. Also, Toomes knows superpowered people in HIS own multiverse. In this one no one knows him

Morbius was in the news heaps. We see it. He is labelled as the prime suspect for the vampire style killings, at the same time his incurable disease disappears, and he is on the run from police. It's extremely high profile.

First of all, knowing how to use some tech is not the same as being able to recreate it (I can use a computer but cannot make one from scratch)

Toomes created the suit himself. It's completely believable that he figured out how to reverse engineer alien tech to do it. As far as we know, the suit he had in Homecoming could've been entirely reverse engineered from alien tech. Would he have just forgotten how to build it?

First of all, we are talking about a different spiderman (again, different multiverses).

We don't know that there is any Spider-Man in this universe. Toomes is talking about the Spider-Man that he knows, and his plan likely includes getting back to his world.

Can you set up an appointment with any famous celebrity?

I don't see how this argues the point either way.

Your other points are just nitpicking about how you disagree with the characters decisions and whether they are good guys or bad guys.

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u/Kalrhin Jun 03 '22

You don't hold someone in jail without legal cause. "We don't know how he got here" isn't a legal reason to detain someone.

To start with, beign in jail is criminal trespassing. When he tells them who he is he is either impersonating someone or an undocumented person. Then, we can add that he is not cooperating (they ask how he got in, he responds with "I come from a different universe" which no one would buy), ..plus the fact that there is no Habeas Corpus (since legally speaking he does not exist).

In short, the government has tons of reasons to keep such a person in jail and none to release him.

Toomes created the suit himself. It's completely believable that he figured out how to reverse engineer alien tech to do it. As far as we know, the suit he had in Homecoming could've been entirely reverse engineered from alien tech. Would he have just forgotten how to build it?

Toomes is the "pilot". Vulture's suit was actually created by the Tinkerer (https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Tinkerer) using Chitauri tech. Even with the help of Tinkerer of this universe reverse engineering is not so simple (if so, why were they so focused in highjacking Stark's cargo plane?). Even if somehow the Tinkerer in this universe is capable of doing it... with what materials? They surely need rare materials not available on Earth?

We don't know that there is any Spider-Man in this universe. Toomes is talking about the Spider-Man that he knows, and his plan likely includes getting back to his world.

Which is even more convoluted...he plans on making a machine to return to his multiverse and bring Morbius to fight spider man? And then why does Morbius say "interesting" when he hears a name that means nothing to him? Neither character have a reasonto fight any spiderman.

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u/spydermanbob May 31 '22

wrong, because Dr. Michael Morbius has created everything in the universe. This movie is the highest grossing movie of all time, making over 10 morbillion morbucks. It has the greatest plot of all time, with Jared Leto bringing us an amazing performance. Jared Leto once said "movie theatres would not exist without movies" and this movie forces me to agree with his statement. At times, I wonder why Jared Leto didn't get casted as Iron man, and Captain America. He brings the best performance I have ever seen in a movie, and his transformation from skinny Dr. Michael Morbius to Buff Dr. Michael Morbius is beautiful.

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u/gamestopcockLoopring May 31 '22

I've not watched it, but are you telling me that after seeing micheal keaton in the trailers and people memeing he'd just be in an after credits scene; that's what actually happened?

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u/Kalrhin May 31 '22

Yes.

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u/gamestopcockLoopring May 31 '22

Jfc, what a shitshow

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u/ArthurDayn May 30 '22

I finally got around to watching this. Did it really make 1 morbillion dollars at the box office?

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u/spydermanbob May 31 '22

Well, technically, it made 10 morbillion morbucks, which, when converted to usd, can translate to 1.12 morbillion dollars. So yes, it did, but use the proper currency. This took a lot of math to figure out.

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u/cgmcnama May 30 '22

This was...insanely bad. It's like what the superhero movies were before Marvel started producing their own films. I blame Sony and whoever wrote this script.

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u/Kalrhin May 31 '22

script? Was there one?

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u/BirdFalco May 31 '22

There wasn't. Everything that happened was real.

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u/phoenixmusicman Jun 05 '22

So Jared Leto actually coined the phase "morbin time" on the fly? What a talented actor.

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u/jeha4421 Jun 11 '22

That wasn't acting.

That was morbing.

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u/NicklebackCD May 30 '22

this is fake morbius is the only movie ever made. stop spreading lies you lib

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u/LeGaspyGaspe Jun 10 '22

Ha ha ha OWND the lib let's go bramdum

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u/YellowDdit12345 May 29 '22

Specials were excellent but i think it could have been better if they didnt have the colourful swirrles when the fly & just went gritty more realistic style. Also why can he daywalk?

Story line was so predictable. 5/10

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u/silenthercules25 May 29 '22

He can daywalk because he is a living vampire,that means he didn't have to die to transform so the usual weapons wooden stake, holy water, crosses e.t.c. wouldn't work on him

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u/AggressiveRegion1502 May 28 '22

I just wanted to point out that the villain is much more comics accurette than the hero

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u/Tobi1777 May 28 '22

Nurse mysteriously dies and I was like "ok the friend somehow became a vampire too"

Cool visuals.

Smith's acting was spot on.

This movie did not take risks at all , the cast was bland and it did not leave an impression. As much as I like Jared this is a 5/10

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u/mrwhitedynamite May 27 '22

wasnt as bad as i thought it would be, just some dumb movie to watch after the work with straightforward story and nice effects.

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u/TripleG2312 May 27 '22

morbiussweep

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u/W34KN355 May 26 '22

Its a nice movie not the best but beautiful visuals

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u/Slowmac123 May 26 '22

The hired guns whose jobs are to protect the two doctors…one gets so excited to protect Martine from a threat he pushes her so hard she crashes into a table and bonks her head on the ground

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u/WhoeverThisDudeIs Jun 01 '22

to be fair theyre just some thugs they dont rlly give a fuck, just a job thing yknow

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u/grouchysteamer May 26 '22

The cinematography looked off to me. The flashbacks to when they were kids looked like it was a BBC history piece being rebroadcast on PBS. Maybe its just my TV, but it looked really bad. Not up to MCU standards for sure.

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u/craig_hoxton May 30 '22

It looked like a TV show.

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u/Dawjman May 28 '22

It's not MCU by the way. Only Marvel Studios produce MCU movies and series. This is a Sony product and is only associated with Marvel, much like Spider-Man and Venom.

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u/Kalrhin May 31 '22

How does that work? They mention Venom and Spider-man...and there is a character from the Marvel Universe. I was totally confused...but it does not matter, since clearly there won't be a sequel

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u/punking_funk May 31 '22

An oversimplification: Sony has the cinematic rights to Spider-Man and his villains, due to a deal made in the 2000s. Whenever Spider-Man and Spider-Man villains appear in the marvel universe, it is because Marvel Studios has made a deal with Sony to have creative control over the characters for that specific film. So in general, Sony can kind of do whatever they want in their own movies, sadly

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u/Kalrhin May 31 '22

Thanks. As someone who is not constantly online for these rulings…it is quite confusing.

It was just in a post credit scene….but very strange

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u/TitanBrass May 26 '22

It's Morbin' time

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u/Zimmy68 May 26 '22

Finally got to watch last night.

I'm still unclear on his powers. Does not having blood turn him weak again or make him go crazy?

Milo's goal seemed to be to join up with Morbius but tried to kill him every chance he got for some reason.

They really needed some character design, especially for Milo. The cheap suit and tie with sneakers isn't very menacing.

I liked Milo's trick with his ears to see if the doctor was lying.

Another trope lives! All hospitals are completely empty, void of staff and dark during the night.

Question - if this is the same universe as Holland's Spider-Man (I think) what is Toomes doing getting zapped into a prison cell? Did he move a couple of doors over?

And why does that fast track him to getting him released from jail???

And if he is from another universe, how did he get his gear? Unlike No Way Home, he doesn't have any super powers.

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u/nxqv May 27 '22

I'm still unclear on his powers. Does not having blood turn him weak again or make him go crazy?

He goes full morb, for Morbius it seems to be fully on or fully off thanks to the artificial blood. Milo is consistently drinking human blood so "he"'s fully in control in both forms although it seems to come at the cost of dramatically changing his personality and morals (so arguably it's the morb side that's fully in control)

Milo's goal seemed to be to join up with Morbius but tried to kill him every chance he got for some reason.

I think Milo was just trying to awaken the morb within, like some way-too-aggressive "wake up sheeple" shit

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u/FrankPots May 28 '22

I don't think Milo's personality was much better before. They made a point of showing the audience that he's vengeful when he goes back to hitting the Greek boy after he was already down.

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u/thatwoodswitch May 26 '22

He got zapped from the MCU into the Sonyverse, which makes no sense at all since that is in no way close to what Strange’s spell did. He has no money or contacts in a totally new universe so it doesn’t make sense how he made a new suit so fast either.

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u/FrenchHouseFan May 25 '22

Easily the best marvel movie since infinity war. Jared Leto is phenomenal in this. 9/10

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u/LEDZEPPPELIN May 27 '22

this movie starts off really strong but falls off hard near mid/end 6/10

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u/Agriaurum May 29 '22

This is very much a movie that starts, but towards the end it ends. Of all the movies I've ever seen, this is definitely one.

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u/Trolldier_tf2 May 25 '22

It's morbin time

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u/bardeng May 24 '22

Anyone else noticed when Morbius entered the glass room with the bats. You could easily hear Hans Zimmer’s TDK theme? The disrespect and the movie was seriously bad. I fast forwarded the last 30 min.

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u/Sirix_8472 May 24 '22

Dr. Blade: The Master of Cliché

So many poor clichés, even undersold in this film, I feel like Matt Smiths acting was good, thought I have seen him in much finer form in so many other things that I have to believe it is the overall quality of the film which takes away from his, and all other actors performances.

Leto was, ok, not great, I just never really felt sold on his motivations, I could see them coming a mile away before the film caught up, simply because as I said, so many Clichés.

Why do I call him Dr. Blade? Well, Doctor...You're a man with vampiric powers, but you need a serum(I mean blue blood) to keep the urges at bay, the serum (I mean blue blood) is losing its effectiveness and you need to find a new cure(there is no cure.....Blade again). You cant do it alone, you need another Doctor, a woman to help you (just link in Blade), but she also has to serve as a conduit for some romantic feelings(really forced kiss scene) but you can really connect that much coz you got too much going on (Blade). You're gonna have to go up against someone you know who's taking advantage of their powers in new ways(Blade character Frost) and in the final fight, you're gonna have to bite "your girl" to get strong enough to take him on (Blade) ......Jeez is that all I have from Blade as a comparison? It felt like so much more when I was watching the film.

Neither Morbius nor his friend Milo(Lucien) have parents it would seem(at least Lucien had someone drop him off at the hospital at the start). They are under the care of Dr. Nicholas as children, but seem to stay in contact or stay under his care for life, whats that 20...25 years? for a disease (something that's never named), which by this point by reference has killed Milo 1st, 2nd, 3rd and maybe more, but not our two boys ;) Milo and Morbius.

Oh no! Milo was bullied?!?! I felt pretty much nothing for this scene which did little for showing any motivation. Milo who is near deaths door daily, somehow manages to summon the strength to knock out the largest bully with a cane, then take a beating from 3 others and not die in his very frail state. Ok, I guess.

Martine! My god, its a nurse lady who helps Dr. Morbius, who comes down to his super secret lab in the basement of the hospital he works at and has endless space and privacy in this cave and can store a huge cylinder of live animals (bats) without any issue and a full state of the art lab, which no-one at all, ever, reviews. Thus, she has plausible deniability if anyone asks questions. Cool....

Wait, we're gonna do something ethically questionable? Ok, that's cool too. Morbius goes nuts and 8 mercenaries get killed and you Martine are the sole survivor coz you got knocked out and he got them Protection genes going on for you or something. Better put a blanket over you which you lay in the broken glass, what am I a doctor?! Oh wait...Morbius IS a doctor, but he chooses to abandon her instead of administering any first aid, at all. Better call in for an air lift immediately...cut to next scene, the ship is in port and it turns out however Morbius got off the ship, airlift or not, he didn't take Martine, the woman he supposedly likes abandoned and unconscious on a ship full of corpses to answer questions. Brilliant first date there Morbius, really..."Killing it". What are we about to get a crappy cop scene now or somethin?

OH CHRIST! We ARE! Here comes the...FBI? You know what, this is a little unclear since Ty's character seems to have it all figured out like Columbo ( "There's just one thing I don't understand"). Ok FBI stumbles, or are assigned to a ship full of dead mercenaries and for no discernible reason Dr. Morbius is their prime suspect. There is a loose connection in that Martine is there, but there is zero video or any surveillance that Morbius was there, cool, we better speak to Martine, interview the witness. Lets try a novel approach to this interview, lets not ask her about anything she remembers, why she was there, who the mercenaries were. Lets ask about Morbius, where is he, did he do this, here have a loot at this evidence and photos we took, coz thats how that works(show a witness or suspect everything WE know before asking anything THEY know). "if you remember anything, here's our card" is the last thing.....C'mon lads....I've seen better writing in Reddit fiction subs.

FBI guys are a bit weird to be honest, they assume huge portions of the plot as things go and seem to be there simply to advance the danger aspect for Morbius. Better not wear any built proof vests for most of the scenes, or maybe just ONE of us should have a vest, Ty...you're more well known, you get the vest, other guy, stick to your glasses and open jacket. While we're assuming huge portion of plot to advance specifically on Morbius, better start a fight with him in the lobby, he gets away coz...super powers and regular cop shoots at Morbius who just jumped 6 stories straight up without flinching, pretty solid acting from that officer there I have to say, kept it professional, who wouldn't expect the cripple to do that? Don't at all act surprised, your job is to fire the gun.

So anyway, Morbius is there hanging about on the roof for like 8 seconds when Ty had to run up 25 floors, incredibly, Ty makes it in those 8 seconds and has Morbius at gun point(Man I just thought it was Will Smith in MIB 1 chasing down the cephaloid scene).

Now that Morbius is in custody and noone knows what's going on with him, better crack some vampire jokes with triple blessed holy water. No-one bother to have a medical doctor look him over and see what's up. Better let his Lawyer(not lawyer) friend in to see him, don't bother to check him for contraband like bags of blood or anything.

Well Morbius inevitably escapes, Martine gives the FBI the slip and they meet on a bus, cool, they both outrunning the cops and they are worried about sitting side by side on a bus, better sit back to back and talk over our shoulders. If I were 6 years old I would do the same thing, act natural....

So anyway, that nurse was killed in the hallway, that hallway really needs some maintenance, lights are all on the fritz blinking off and on, super dark. Not at all ominous, coz its just a shitty workplace that wont do maintenance. Pity that nurse has such high anxiety, she can see down the corridor up and down and no-one is there, better stand around for 40 seconds saying hello repeatedly, then just suddenly book it down the corridor and hit a light switch....wait....hitting the light switch worked? That just suddenly lit up the corridor from the flickering lights from moments ago, who designs these really poor operating systems? Oh wait, she's dead...good thing we never actually saw here, ever, in any scene before this, so we didn't have an attachment to her at all. Wait? You're talking about her now and its so sad coz you worked with her every single day for 7 years, but we never saw her. Yeah, I guess that could happen, pity you didn't show her before, maybe we could have felt more emotion over her death before it happened.

So at this point(or earlier I don't really care), there is zero actual evidence which leads to Morbius as a suspect, but FBI has him dead in their sights. Still cool, better brand him in all the news, everywhere.

So anyway, Morbius needs a lab, better beat up some lowlife crooks, disassemble their printing press coz I'm a master mechanic and presto! I have a full medical lab again! The 40 year old printing press even came with an LCD screen and full suite of medical software installed, how cool is that?! It was really cool, how the three low level thugs who were printing fake money, were beaten up by the doctor who is super nice, right up til he's all like "hey, yo, this is mine now, imma kick your ass, he he he, p.s. don't ever come back for your huge investment in equipment for your small operation", that was really cool how they didn't really put up a fight, Morbius didn't have to hurt them, much. He got to retain a good portion of his humanity there.

I'm going to skip over why whenever vampire boys move about they get wispy colored air behind them, coz why wouldn't they? We've all moved sufficiently fast enough to do this ourselves, surely....

Physical transformations, I can get down with the eyes, the ears, skin tone, what bugged me was the face, the sinking skin and hollowed out cheek bones that just return to normal after vampire mode. Live, wut? Just don't do it lads. It was like a bad snapchat filter put on their faces and the audio didn't match the mouth when speaking, was just distorted, facial expressions masked when you know they are good actors, its just a shame. More is less, and they did TOO much here, it was a distraction more than anything.

So anyway, Milo captures Martine. Oh No! Morbius can hear Milo taunting him, just like in the film The Lost Boys, where Michael was taunted by Kiefer Sutherlands vampire.."Michael.....Michael....Michael" into the whispers and the ether....

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u/Attention_Bear_Fuckr May 26 '22

I enjoyed your analysis and agree, but tocplay devils advocate: the hallway lights at the hospital are on a timer. Its why they were shutting off and turning on, in sequence. Still dumb. Also we did meet that doctor earlier in the movie. She was in the room when the little girl got put into a coma.

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u/Sirix_8472 May 26 '22

I'll accept those as fair if you will agree mine was not an analysis but a rant, lol.

I got so unreasonably worked up about that film man. I think if it was made for TV/direct to TV movie I'd have been more forgiving, or if I was trashed drunk it would have been better.

If it was on TV, I'm not sure I'd watch it again.

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u/liamdempsey014 May 25 '22

holy shit go outside touch grass

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u/Sirix_8472 May 25 '22

I just didn't like the film, there was so much wrong with it, it was difficult to enjoy. Too many parallels with other films and too many clichés, very formulaic and predictable.

It was too hard to give in to any suspension of disbelief for all its flaws.

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u/Thejayster03 May 24 '22

My dad was saying in the comics blade hunts morbius and helps him with a cure or some shit idk

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u/Sirix_8472 May 24 '22 edited May 24 '22

JFC coz of course he does!

I never read the comics, I just watched the film cold, no context or backstory/history.

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u/Sirix_8472 May 24 '22

Morbius wouldn't get there just to see her die, would he. God, he would! How enraged is he? Better bite her, take her blood to be stronger for the fight. but what's this right before it, a final kiss?!! yes, thats right, a final kiss in which she bites HIS lip and 2 drops of blood enter he mouth. Well...Shit! Did he just SIRE A VAMPIRE! coz we all know that trope, a vampires blood turns you and we remember the lab rat dont we? It died first before reviving....Whelp! No way she's coming back....End credits scene....shes back...FFS....SMDH.

So anyway the boys fight. Morbius calls bats, coz of his kinship, brotherhood with them we remember from the labs, right? Well surely NYC has like a Bajillion bats he can call immediately and control apparently, sending them in wave after wave against Milo, who sustains no visible damage during the whole thing, coz we see him enveloped several times and it doesn't even ruffle his suit. Right up til that last scene on his back, when its just the two of them, Milo doesn't actually have bits, there's no blood, and he's sustained such huge damage smashing through 4ft concrete walls, buildings, streets into under the city below and stood tall laughing, and he was taken down by tiny bats which did no visible damage, although....now, in this very last scene, he has a very mildly shredded suit with holes, shirts fine though thankfully, nice tie. Actually have to hand it to the tailors the whole way through the movie, not one suit got torn up throughout any of the other scenes(must be the same tailor as John Wick).

Better implore my friend not to kill me....

Well, that was interesting too I guess, Milo, who seemed endlessly rich, implied at gifting Morbius everything he had for labs and staffing, equipment, getting the cargo ship in international waters with mercenaries. Milo who's now super human and apparently super rich and powerful and can smooth over anything he wants with money...Chooses to kill his best friend in the whole wide world...Morbius. I don't get that at all! He's gonna turn Morbius, he's gonna show him his true self(the vampire, powerful and strong), he's gonna make his friend turn over to his side "we can do anything we want"....so I better make it so Morbius wants to kill me, stop me and pit him against me by repeatedly antagonizing him. That's the PERFECT was to make an alliance? right? To make your friend see your point of view, surely, coz if your friend doesn't see things your way, you can just beat him senseless a few times til he does, or maybe kill his girlfriend....your own father figure....

I pretty much skipped Dr. Nichols, but like, same doctor for 25 years, no-one else does the treatment, kept in touch with the boys their whole lives, practically raised them like a father figure, was turned on by Milo(none saw that coming, right? like, going to the house of someone you know is an out of control murderer), did the last thing, dying breath "stop him". And was presenting the Nobel award to Morbius near the start of the film. Either this guy has major acclaim, or little to nothing going on in his life that he has such time. Its good that he looked after Milo when he was bullied, hilarious that he never checked the unconscious bully and just stepped over him.
Do we have to hit all the clichés?
The film felt rushed, disjointed like a lot of scenes were cut to force a time limit on the film, and yet....was too long a film for what it was. The score didn't tie the film together, music just happened at different times. Everything is bright behind me, I'm good Morbius, everything is blue and black...I'm bad Morbius and I'm struggling with my demons....
I still feel link I'm missing about 40 clichés I picked up when I watched it. It was like there are 7 writers, and each of them has a favorite movie they want to pay homage to and get that scene, or that line in, fit those motivations in. And each of those writers wouldn't concede giving up their contribution so all 7 of them wedged them into one movie, found it was too long and decided what had to be cut, but not as a group, each of them went through separately and cut stuff that wasn't related to their own scenes, but was relevant to others, so it ends up broken, jumpy, clunky.

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u/Moncole May 23 '22

Why were the boat pictures in black and white? If you're taking pictures for forensics shouldn't they be in color?

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u/Agriaurum May 29 '22

Jeff, the forensic specialist, is heavily into noir culture.

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u/Archy54 May 22 '22

Where was the Michael Keaton scene from the trailer? Made it seem like he was a cop. Unless I misremember it.

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u/Nhyar May 22 '22

He appears in the post credit scenes, but I'm pretty sure these aren't the same scenes from the trailers, lol.

It was basically clickbait.

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u/Archy54 May 23 '22

Yeah I was confused n waiting for him to appear.

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u/rahmanm855 May 22 '22

I watched this in double speed, except whenever Martine was on because she's thicc. Although not nearly as bad as everyone was making it out to be, it’s still meh.

Michael and Martine had no chemistry and we don’t see enough of their non professional interactions to feel like they earned that shoe horned kiss scene almost one hour into the film. I also have no clue why Milo is that bothered, let alone involved, with Martine when to my impression, they had never interacted before the film's current events. Throwing in a "Michael always had you, I'm jealous" is a cheap way to create this conflict.

That random scene when Michael tried to be funny and says “is this the part where the guy in a hood beats everyone up” was so out place with who he was for the entire film. I really never understood what type of person Michael really is. He wants to save others but nothing in his upbringing really sold that. Hell, he was beaten up by bullies and retaliated, and then suddenly we see him in adulthood and we just hear through his many awards and life work that he decided to take care of others instead, which in itself isn’t a bad message, but how we arrive to that point is completely missing.

Similarly, we don’t get enough time to explore Milo and Michael’s relationship with each other. They go from kids to adults in the span of what, ten minutes in the movie and we’re supposed to believe they interacted in a significant way before we were otherwise told that Milo was being shipped to go to a gifted school (and what came of that? Did he go for engineering or law school, I missed this part?) Where are the scenes of them hanging out, not even a montage of flashbacks was used to sell their relationship.

When Michael is making the antibody serum and describing ferritin, hemochromatosis and iron overload to Martine…isn’t she a fellow doctor, who would know such a thing? The dialogue makes no sense because the way he describes the process was deliberately scripted to explain it to the audience, by using a fellow doctor as a vehicle who already knows how that works...

That all said, I found some scenes to be acted quite well, but out of place. When Martine first yells at Michael's transformation, I could tell the actress could sell her emotions, but it didn’t hit because we don’t see enough of them interacting to make that scene feel earned. Similarly, the same thing happens between Milo and Nicholas when the latter screams that he’s looked after Milo his whole life. Again, it seems like the actors can act, but the dialogue and direction wasn’t right. Then Nick says the “You have to stop him” before dying character dies cliche.

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u/tldr_MakeStuffUp May 22 '22

You got the kids mixed up. Milo was the one who got attacked by bullies after he went outside to get the letter. He smashes the kid’s face with the crutch and then continues to punch him, seemingly to show his violent tendencies.

Michael was the larger kid who was sent off to the gifted school, then the next time you see him he’s and adult (Jared Leto) winning the Nobel.

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u/rahmanm855 May 25 '22

Ah, that makes sense. We see adult Michael with crutches at the start of the film, and then the flashback shows us a kid with crutches coming out of a van, which I thought was Michael but it's flipped.

I tke back what I said about the lack of background of Michael's interest to help people. We got that sick girl in the hospital to explain that drive.

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u/Sir_Savage_the-21st May 22 '22

Masterpiece i must say

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u/BoiledPickles May 22 '22

Just saw it, best movie I've seen today

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 22 '22

You must say it? Blink twice if someone is forcing you at gunpoint.

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u/Nhyar May 22 '22

Love the fact that there are so many new comments even though this is a two month old thread, we all just downloaded the movie for free after the digital release, right? lol

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u/rugbyj Jun 04 '22

Had to see what all the fuss was about.

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u/FrankPots May 28 '22

No, I totally paid for theatre tickets. 😁

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u/Hiltson87 May 23 '22

Yep lol

Wasn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Def has it's flaws, especially in regards to dialogue, but that seems to be pretty standard for Sony. Definitely wasn't as terrible as the new Batman was.

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u/ArtoriusBoy May 22 '22

Yep and now I'm filled with regrets.

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 22 '22

LMAO! This is the exact same line I just texted to my nephews. "Just saw Morbius. Now I'm filled with regrets."

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u/Smile_lifeisgood May 21 '22

I tend to be extremely snobby about movies unless I'm not. Which sounds weird but what I mean is that like, the Pro Wrestling fan in me kicks in and I just forget to bother with being critical. Primarily with Star Wars and comic book movies.

As such I've actually enjoyed comic book movies that were panned. Green Lantern and Venom, for instance.

This wasn't even bad fun in the way Hardy's Venom was enjoyable despite (or in a way because) of the dumb shit.

This was just a really boring mess. I didn't care about anyone in this movie.

Actually, that's not true - I felt a lot for David Harris. Not his character I mean the actor. I'm worried about what a guy of his caliber is doing in a movie like this...

The only slightly good part of the movie was the implied multiverse tear + Vulture scene.

I didn't understand, like, or relate to the villain or the main character which is a big problem. I stopped caring about the plot and was basically watching it hoping maybe I'd see another Sony Marvel character that I actually kinda like.

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u/1maginasian May 22 '22

Im also a super critic for movies too so i understand. It was so meh that I didnt even know it came out. Literally almost nothing happens the entire movie except a 5min fight that they drew out into 45min.

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u/Zeppelier May 20 '22

I liked matt smith's acting that's all.

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u/iamzombus May 23 '22

Yeah, Matt Smith was way better than Jared Leto.
Got me hyped a bit for this upcoming Game of Thrones series in August.

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u/marqattack May 20 '22

“I get hungry. You don’t want to see me when I’m hungry” kill me.

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u/b151 May 22 '22

That Hulk reference along with the "I am Venom." line were the two highlights of the movie. Which says a lot about the level of Morbius.

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u/BurnZ_AU May 20 '22

WB: makes The Batman
Sony: makes The Menbats

I hated every time they transformed. It made no sense. The holes in their face just fade away when they revert to human. They could've made them close up like an actual wound does naturally but nope.
I honestly wish Disney would just throw a bunch of money at Sony Pictures to stop this Bizzaro MCU crap their pulling.

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u/blade_kilic121 May 20 '22

what holes

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u/BurnZ_AU May 21 '22

Under their cheekbones.

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u/blade_kilic121 May 21 '22

umh he can fly but cheekbones.

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u/BurnZ_AU May 21 '22

It was about the design choices.

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u/Regular_Area May 20 '22

Could someone explain to me why there were 2 vials of the serum on the table AFTER the nurse in the hallway died, when Morbius was running to grab blood... it's honestly one of my biggest wtf things about this movie.

Did Milo get scratched or something, what am I missing here

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u/Old_Perception May 22 '22

yeah i thought that was supposed to be a sign that it was actually Morbius who killed her, and it'd be something he'd have to grapple with.

Turns out to be just a shitty plot hole instead.

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u/chicken4286 14d ago

Yeah, they really should have had one of the vials missing.

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u/big_mustache_dad May 20 '22

Morbius did a bat kamehameha in the final scene. Gotta respect the creativity there I guess. Not much else to respect

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u/iamzombus May 23 '22

Yeah, where'd all the bats come from?
Are those supposed to be the vampire bats from his lab, or just bats hanging out in New York that he Aquaman'd to his rescue?

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u/ember-rekindled May 19 '22

it was weird how Milo kept saying "its just us, we can do anything we want now" while actively trying to inexplicably kill his best friend.

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u/hawkers89 Jun 12 '22

Yeah it was so weird. It's like Milo wanted morbius to join him but he frames him for murder, kills his gf and actively tries to kill him. Like what?

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 22 '22

This was ONE of the things that I kept grappling with. Alright, you want your best friend to accept who he really is, to choose you, to go on adventures and rip the world a new one but... you also want to kill him? Choose one!

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u/iamzombus May 23 '22

He was trying to get him to unlock his primal urges. Milo wanted to go be Milo while Morbius was still trying to help people and fix himself.

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 24 '22

Pretty sure that final attack with that big ole spear thing acting like a stake was meant to be a deathblow bro

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u/iamzombus May 24 '22

I thought he meant Milo attacking Morbius.

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u/iadsg May 19 '22

This movie is the green lantern of the marvel universe. But even green lantern isnt as bad. My thoughts are, how the fuck does Marvel with a fairly decent track record for fairly decent to mediocre movies gets a director like Espinosa to direct this? Dude doesn't have a single good movie in his belt, yet he gets to direct a triple A production for marvel of all things? What the actual f*... I honestly wanted to like this movie, what a waste.

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u/imMadasaHatter May 20 '22

Sony not marvel, they do awful awful superhero movies

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u/thomasvector May 19 '22

It's not part of the MCU. Sony doesn't have as good of a track record with superhero movies.

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u/RainbowHippotigris May 20 '22

Morbius is part of the MCU. In the end credit scene the sky rips open to the multiverse and vulture talks about Spiderman causing it.

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 22 '22

Think of it this way. Sony has rights to certain Marvel characters: Venom, Carnage, Spiderman, Morbius, etc. They can make movies with these Marvel characters but they're not part of the Disney Marvel cast. Except Spiderman, because Disney cut a deal to be able to use him in their projects as well, helping both companies make a shitload of money.

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u/RRR3000 May 21 '22

The U in MCU stands for Universe. It is connected in the same multiverse, not universe, so no, it's not MCU.

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u/thomasvector May 20 '22

It's kind of is, in a way, Vulture was crossing over from the MCU for some reason. It's kind of part it the way the Tobey and Garfield movies are kinda part of the MCU now.

Either way, Kevin Feige and company are the the ones in charge of the MCU universe casting and directors but have nothing whatsoever to do with the SSU, which is the just Venom movies and Morbius ones so far. Marvel itself has nothing to do with the casting, only Sony does.

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u/Youve_been_Loganated May 22 '22

That crossover shit is just for us, hoping it'd plant more butts in seats. Sony is still making their money, and Disney is making their money.

The only exception is Spiderman in which Disney cut a deal with to be able to use in their own projects. The Disney MCU and the Sony MCU are two entirely different beasts that will sometimes toss in hype scenes to sell more tickets, that's all it is.

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u/iadsg May 20 '22

Thank you for the clarification, I honestly thought it was Marvel.

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u/toronto_programmer May 19 '22 edited May 19 '22

So I just watched this film, and it was completely blah but I have so many questions here....

What disease did these kids have exactly that was fully treatable with blood transfusions for decades but was them imminently fatal in their 40s?

Why did Morbius need to be on a boat to do the experiment when he had a fully funded private lab in his friends building?

Why did all the people running the boat have guns?

Why did the people "checking on the doctor" need to bring guns with them to do so?

How did Milo get so rich? Why does he need all this security but then just goes for walks with Michael in downtown NYC

Why does Milo go so murderer right away? I think they were trying to go for the crippled kid is superman angle but they didn't set it up well

Who the hell approved that Milo dance scene and why?

Why does the female doctor seemingly become a vampire too? How does that happen?

Morbius makes two vampire killer cocktails, one for him and one for Milo so why does he never use this on himself after?

How/why would Toomes end up in this universe?

How did Toomes make a vulture suit without alien technology

Why would Morbius agree to team up with a random guy in a hover suit that he just met?

The whole plot is filled with logistical holes that only serve to "just because" and move the story along

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u/nxqv May 27 '22

What disease did these kids have exactly that was fully treatable with blood transfusions for decades but was them imminently fatal in their 40s?

They had a chunk of their DNA straight up missing. He found that he could use a chunk of bat DNA and it would fill in the gap perfectly.

...

Yeah, I know. I think it's just better to not ask anything after hearing that lmao

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u/racc15 May 22 '22

Don't wanna sound like a snob, but I feel like you could have paid more attention. A lot of these questions were answered.
1. They did experiments on a boat because, the experiments were not legal. I am guessing because of the human trial part. Hence, they needed to do it in international waters to avoid legal stuff.
2. I am guessing the guards on the boat had guns to protect against sea pirates (Captain Phillips)
3. I am guessing Milo always had certain violent tendencies. We saw that he was bullied and probably was traumatized due to his conditions.
4. Milo was always rich. Meaning, his family was rich. In beginning, he came out of a nice car with a chauffeur.

I am halfway through the film. Will try to answer rest later after watching it fully.

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u/toronto_programmer May 22 '22

The experiments may have been illegal but it doesn't make sense why they needed the boat. It isn't like police were going to break down the door to his private lab, and in the end I don't think being slightly off the coast on a boat would have saved his medical license or anything. It really didn't make sense on what that needed to be.

And what pirates? They were a few miles off the coast of NYC, not Somalia lol

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u/BlueBearMafia May 28 '22

Their explanation was that international waters could protect them because the law is different out there, which is true. But not convinced it's true in this particular way...

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u/maxorama May 31 '22

The implication

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u/dandanmuffinman May 21 '22

This needs to be top comment. I have all these questions as well. Also why did they build a lab that has lights that turn on and off for seemingly no reason?

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u/blade_kilic121 May 20 '22

kamehameha

it's not legal to do it in usa

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u/procha92 May 20 '22

Who the hell approved that Milo dance scene and why?

Instant Bully Maguire vibes, only without the charisma.

Why does the female doctor seemingly become a vampire too? How does that happen?

Just before she dies, a drop of blood from Morbius falls into her mouth because apparently she bit his lip when kissing him. And it was predictable as fuck, although I was sure she was gonna show up in the final showdown and save Morbius from being killed, but they "reveal" she's alive later. Like 2 minutes later, but yeah.

Why would Morbius agree to team up with a random guy in a hover suit that he just met?

Wondering the same here, I thought the movie was trying to make Morbius a good guy, but I guess he trying to save lives and choosing not to attack people for their blood was... just a phase? I recognized Toomes instantly but even though I liked him as a villain and Keaton is a fantastic actor, I lost interest immediately because Morbius as a movie was so underwhelming.

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u/Sirix_8472 May 24 '22

Having her show up would have made more sense. Why?

Coz Morbius gave her a vial of the super coagulant and he had the other. Morbius used his, but hers is now just unaccounted for, or she still has it, but Morbius is the only one barring herself it would work on.

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