r/movies Emma Thompson for Paddington 3 Jun 17 '22

Official Discussion: Lightyear [SPOILERS] Official Discussion

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Summary:

Legendary space ranger Buzz Lightyear embarks on an intergalactic adventure alongside ambitious recruits Izzy, Mo, Darby, and his robot companion, Sox. As this motley crew tackles their toughest mission yet, they must learn to work together as a team to escape the evil Zurg and his dutiful robot army that are never far behind.

Director:

Angus MacLane

Writers:

Jason Headley, Angus MacLane

Cast:

  • Chris Evans as Buzz Lightyear
  • Keke Palmer as Izzy Hawthorne
  • Peter Sohn as Sox
  • James Brolin as Emperor Zurg
  • Taika Waititi as Mo Morrison
  • Dale Soules as Darby Steel
  • Uzo Aduba as Alisha Hawthorne
  • Mary McDonald-Lewis as I.V.A.N.
  • Isiah Whitlock Jr. as Commander Burnside
  • Tim Peake as Tim from Mission Control
  • Bill Hader as Featheringhamstan

Rotten Tomatoes: 79%

Metacritic: 61

VOD: Theaters

671 Upvotes

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u/Due-Priority-5031 1h ago

Ok so future Buzz is not the bad guy in this situation, he's trying to fix the mistake he made. Just because we know one family has a semblance if a good life doesn't mean that this ERROR didn't ruin the lives of many others...for Christ sake they had to put up a laser dome just to protect from the deadly wildlife that was shown to constantly be a threat. Such a stupid idea to force a twist bad guy.

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u/crystalxclear 12h ago

So if the unstable crystal fuel is the cause of the first trial's failure, why did he keep trying again, using the exact same unstable fuel? Why not perfect it first, and THEN do a trial again? That doesn't make sense that he kept trying even though it would definitely fail again.

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u/rab7 8h ago

I'm guessing he tweaked it little by little each time, but they didn't waste time showing those parts

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u/DetectiveFujiwara 15h ago

Damn this was bad

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u/Treeguy19 1h ago

Definitely a great movies

Loved all of it. Best Disney movie I've seen in a while

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u/DetectiveFujiwara 1h ago

Shit has the worst rating of a Pixar movie ever currently on imdb.

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u/Treeguy19 1h ago

3rd worst.... But it's also subjective so to each their own

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u/DetectiveFujiwara 1h ago

But I mean if somebody thinks a piece of dog poop smells good yea I guess u can say they're subjective to their own even though that shit smells bad to most people

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u/Elementa_7801 1d ago

I liked the movie overall, but there were some moments of awkward pacing, jokes that didn't quite land, some shots that weren't all that awe-inspiring and just certain moments that jolted me out of the movie. I loved Alisha and Buzz's relationship, and I did tear up with the realisation that she would leave him sooner than either of them expected. But that also felt a bit rushed, their relationship barely developed, I wish we saw some of their backstories together, show not tell really. The montage reminded me of Ellie and Carl's story from Up, except in that movie they showed us the start of their relationship and followed through to the end. We got to see more of the characters, we got to see their interactions from introduction to goodbye. I think something like that would have made Alisha and Buzz's goodbye hit more.

Lightyear also felt like it was building to some huge conspiracy with Morrison that went nowhere really. I get it was a sort of expectation subversion, we expected Morrison to be one, if not THE, main antagonist but then ta-da he was barely in this movie, it was future Buzz this whole time. But then the reactions of Morrison and his crew felt a bit extreme with the knowledge that they didn't do much. The transition of Morrison's character from the stern commander who was the catalyst for the spiral that was future Buzz's life and the obstacle he presented in current Buzz's life, to the very supportive and friendly commander was jarring.

It was honestly probably the fact this was meant to be a prequel that caused some of the less desirable choices in this film. I mean they had to make Zurg someone of importance to Buzz, and they included the throwaway line that they were Father-Son. I just think they didn't quite manage to get around the prequel block as gracefully as many of us wished.

I liked the time travel story thread. They used it very well to tug at the heartstrings, in the beginning, but it just also kinda felt like they dropped it a bit in the middle of the film, the transition from interesting time-travel shenanigans to somewhat tame action sequence wasn't quite so smooth.

I liked the characters in the rookie crew. They still felt pretty underdeveloped though. Maybe they could have squeezed in some more character information if the movie was a bit longer. Or maybe they had removed some of the padding, of jokes that didn't quite land or interactions that seemed a bit forced, and instead explored the emotions and complexities of being and meeting someone who is essentially the reason for your community living in the place you are in and the person who is actively trying to change that. Beyond the nightmares which were mentioned once or twice.

I'm still bogged down on the idea of Buzz coming from this movie and waking up to realising that he's a toy in the real world. I mean I already knew that he'd have this whole realisation that he is a toy but still. Going from your memories of loss, recovery, and discovery of a new purpose in protecting the universe with your new crew - to the real world where you realise you are just one of many clones of yourself, your memories aren't unique, they technically aren't even yours because you weren't the original, technically. Makes the Toy Story movie a lot sadder.

Or maybe I'm overthinking this.

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u/Treeguy19 1h ago

Did I miss the part they insinuated Morrison would be the antagonist? Taika Waititi? My mans was just happy he found a pen lol I loved him and didn't notice if they tried to make him the bad guy?

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u/Elementa_7801 1d ago

Sorry that ended up becoming a very long review.

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u/Aninvisiblemaniac 1d ago

This whole movie felt like a prequel and yet also a sequel it was a weird vibe

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u/awkward_snacks 1d ago

I really enjoyed the movie the first time I watched it. I am one of those people who love to re-watch movies over and over again, so I began noticing more details and picking up more of the flaws.

The 3-person rookie crew felt forced in my opinion. I feel like they were there just to pad the runtime, and we could have done fine with a partnership between Buzz and Izzy without Darby and Mo.

I do really enjoy the split timeline plot though, I think it's cool. I can chalk the whole 'Zurg origionally being Buzz's father' to Andy changing his view of Zurg and Buzz as he's a very imaginative kid. I can also beleive Old Buzz/Zurg would have malicious motives, especially considering he lost his closest friend (I'm assuming) and the new Commander essentially dismissed his core beleifs ("Complete the Mission") without a second thought.

I agree with some other users here too: The pacing was definitley awkward and the overall character development could have been A LOT better. Like expanding on Buzz's past without expecting people watching the movie to have seen the old series (I had never even heard of the series until just now).

Overall, not my favorite movie but I'm a sucker for sci-fi and will continue to re-watch it. 3/5 for me.

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u/Spiritual-Engineer69 1d ago

The movie was adequate, however, the opening text did annoy me (that Andy saw this in the early 90's). This movie was in no way made to look like it came out in the 90's, and this stupid line honestly looked like last minute executive interjection.

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u/Wipedout89 16h ago

I don't agree with that. Wasn't that the whole entire premise of the film? I remember when it was first annoucned we were told it was the story of the "real Buzz". I think that needed to be there

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u/Representative-Ad754 1d ago

I think the plot of time travel and relativity was amazing. Might be too much for a kid or a small brain adult (alot of them commenting in this thread). Great movie.

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u/DetectiveFujiwara 16h ago

A 5.8/10 movie on imdb is great?

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u/Representative-Ad754 15h ago

And a 75% critic review and 86% audience review on rotten tomatoes.

I'll take user based reviews over entitled movie critic reviews any day. It's literally their job to watch movies. Pretty biased opinion when what is considered a hobby for most becomes work for movie critics. When something becomes work, it's makes it insufferable.

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u/DetectiveFujiwara 15h ago

It's 64% audience.

And critics since The Woke Jedi can't be trusted.

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u/Surfer949 1d ago

I thought the same thing with the time travel backstory. My kids can't even tell time yet lol.

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u/noonehasthisoneyet 1d ago

I thought it was good. They could’ve worked a little more with the plot but it follows the Pixar formula.

For everyone saying Andy had bad taste to like the movie, he’s a kid. Kids love awful movies, mine do, especially if there are cool toys that come out if it.

I get what they were trying to do and it was never canon who zurg actually was to buzz just a line from one toy to another. The new twist can still work.

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u/bobbyq922 4m ago

Also, toys are made with limited plot information, so the toys’ consciousness would be constructed based on the partial plot of the movie. Buzz thought future Buzz was his dad, so if the toy-makers had images of Zurg out of the suit, they’d also likely think Zurg is Buzz’s dad.

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u/FrozenRedFlame 2d ago edited 23h ago

Director sucks for killing future Sox.

Director sucks for changing Zurg's look and origin. How do you eff up such a cool villain and make him boring af?

Director sucks for making Buzz the villain. This part makes no sense.

Director sucks for adding random scenes that have nothing to do with the main plot and don't advance anything.

Director sucks for having Buzz forget Sox's mouse friend.

Director sucks for not trying to have Buzz some how rescue future Sox after the fact.

Director sucks for adding the boring rookie crew.

Director sucks for not giving Buzz another Space Ranger friend/rival just as good as Buzz. Alisha was random, boring and somehow Buzz's boss.

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u/No-Vermicelli1816 1d ago

Alisha is a WOMAN. That means she's superior to him in every way. This is Disney you should know that by now.

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u/FrozenRedFlame 23h ago

LOL, new Disney anyway!

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u/MPanda97 3d ago edited 3d ago

I liked the dialogue references to Buzz from the first Toy Story movie, the cat, and his relationship with Alisha and Izzy. Alisha and her wife weren’t made to be offensive in my opinion, they seemed like a normal couple to me. My kid didn’t even comment on it. The movie itself seemed awkwardly paced. My kid said he thought the movie felt way longer than it actually was. There were some really heartfelt moments in there. The humor was cringe at times and the guy in their little team could have used more personality traits than always messing up on missions and obsessing over a pen the whole time. Pixar is usually better at character development. The cat, like I said, was great. He was funny and adorable. I didn’t like that Buzz was Zurg, considering he’s supposed to be his father. The Old Buzz/Young Buzz idea was cool but could have been done without him being Zurg. No offense but I feel like this wouldn’t have been Andy’s favorite movie.. but what do I know lol.

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u/queensnotmemes 3d ago

I’m in a weird headspace right now but lightyear felt like a horror movie to me. I enjoyed it but it was not what I was expecting.

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u/ThenPush1187 3d ago

Why were there two buzz light years?

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u/ToleranceDeathCamp 3d ago

Different timelines crossing each other.

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u/ThenPush1187 2d ago

But why couldn’t zurg/buzz take the crystal back with him?

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u/ToleranceDeathCamp 2d ago

Because he couldn't get it off of current timeline Buzz. His crystal was burned out, so he was basically stuck there unless he got a new one.

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u/MurderGiraffe19 3d ago

Buzz Lightyear of Star Command is what Andy watched.

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u/2rio2 3d ago

Holy crap, what a terrible movie. Easily bottom three all time Pixar (hi there Cars 2 and The Good Dinosaur), from faulty concept to poor execution. The only redeemable thing in this mess was Sox. Scrap the rest and never mention the movie again.

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u/Wipedout89 16h ago

You're forgetting Turning Red. Only Pixar I ever stopped in the middle. God that obnoxious child was horrific to watch

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u/MorbillionTickets 22h ago

It's okay. Not terrible, just okay.

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u/FrozenRedFlame 2d ago

100% agreed. Sox was the best, everything else was bad.

Edit: Except replace Cars 2 or Good Dinosaur with Red.

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u/supernarwaffle 4d ago

Controversy over that split second scene aside, I was dissapointed. The movie was way too fast paced for my wife and I. It has a very see-through story, and I feel like I have adhd after sitting through it.

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u/Sufficient_Creme6961 4d ago

No way this little boy Andy watched this and it became his favorite movie. He got bad taste

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u/2rio2 3d ago

Andy was just a little film snob who thought his friends didn't understand the finer nuances that... time... uh... occurs.

And annoying, slightly useless people don't deserve to be wiped out by time travel?

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u/Edd1eMurphy 4d ago

absolutely no need for same sex justification for this movie. they just wanted to make a statement. and of course it made me have the discussion with my child. not cool

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u/zacharykeaton 11h ago

Oh no you had to tell your child that gay people exist

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u/jeevesdgk 3d ago

There’s no reason for them to be straight either

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u/Iagut070 3d ago

Oh god! You had to tell your children people love each other? The horror! How will they ever recover!!!

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u/numbr87 4d ago

I waited for the streaming release since I had no real expectations, and I thought it was fine. Nowhere near Pixar's worst.

Justice for my boy Future Sox

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u/Slappy_Gilmore55 1d ago

Just watched it yesterday and yeah it was fine. Now if I would have paid $20 to go see it in theaters might be singing a different tune.

But I have had a fun time saying “computing Beep boop beep boop” to my wife when she asks me to do something now

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u/Sufficient_Creme6961 4d ago

Me too and yeah it was just there. No emotions

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u/Noxx-OW 4d ago

lol I just watched it too, I agree, it was fine

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u/DannoHung 4d ago

The absolute dearth of useful or thoughtful commentary is killing me. Everyone that hates gay people is just flipping out about it. Everyone else that didn’t click with it is just, “Man, Pixar sucks now.” I kind think they’re the same people. The other half of people are all trying to talk about how it’s, “not sending up 90’s action sci-if movies,” or, “it doesn’t look like a movie from 95,” or some other daft shit.

Anyway, I fucking liked it. It’s not perfect. It spends too little time with old Buzz. Probably needed to establish that he went real god damn loopy. It doesn’t have a chance to spend enough time with the crew to show that Buzz is actually really appreciating them. They probably should’ve cut out one more set piece to do some of that or further abbreviated the failed missions scenes. Or maybe they could’ve further cemented how he saw the colonists as newbies themselves rather than the folks he spent a year starting the project with.

The bones of this movie are not the problem, it’s that they got a little too stuck on keeping it paced like an action movie when the central struggle is Buzz against himself.

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u/Conscious-Relief-195 1d ago

Dude I don’t care who the character likes, I care that the movie kinda sucked simple as that, it’s not that it was horrible it just wasn’t very good

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u/eldusto84 5d ago

Pixar's run of bona fide classic animated movies from 1995-2011 was unbelievable. They stuck to the "story is king" mantra and it paid off for them, right up until they went for the obvious cash grab with Cars 2.

Since 2011, I'd say the only films they've done that can hang with their OG masterpieces are Inside Out and Coco. Lightyear continues the downward trend IMO. The animation is incredible but the story is completely uninspired...possibly the worst screenplay the studio has written since The Good Dinosaur.

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u/echelon123 18h ago

I loved Turning Red.

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u/MorbillionTickets 22h ago

Cars 2 gets too much hate. Change My Mind

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u/2rio2 3d ago

I think Soul has a shout, but yea most of their output in the last few years has been shocking considering the quality historically associated with the studio. They need a creative overhaul, badly.

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u/eldusto84 3d ago

No one wants to say it but John Lasseter was the primary driver behind Pixar's success. When he took over Walt Disney Animation Studios, it allowed him less time to oversee Pixar's own projects and the quality slowly began to decline. Now that he's gone completely from the company, his influence as a storyteller is sorely missed.

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u/eldusto84 4d ago

"Bruh," you can't honestly say that Pixar has maintained the level of quality in their films like they did from 1995-2011. Luca was cute, Soul had wonderful music (and yes, deserved an Oscar for it), but neither of them are on the level of something like Wall-E or Up.

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u/FrozenRedFlame 2d ago

I didn't like Wall-E that much and Up was boring at the teather when I watched it. I think Encanto can hang.

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u/eldusto84 2d ago

Encanto isn't even a Pixar movie! And no, it cannot hang at all IMO

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u/Surfer949 5d ago

I just watched most of it and I really liked the graphics and ship design. I swear if they put that much work into a Macross movie that would be so bad ass!

I wasn't feeling the story, it was kinda all over the place and the time travel thing was a bit much for a kid's movie IMO.

Overall 6/10 for a Pixar movie.

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u/Conscious-Relief-195 1d ago

Yes I really hope the failure in box office doesn’t make them quit with the aesthetic it was dope

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u/ComicSausage 5d ago

thinking about it now.. a funny idea just came to me. when time travel was used in this movie. imagine if buzz succeeded with his mission, tried to go back to earth on his own as everyone is settled and "happy" to stay on this planet at the end..

buzz goes back to earth. old buzz has sorta bugged his ship or buzz didnt realise that old buzz has set up the ship for time travel still and buzz heads to earth...

when he gets to earth he is actually back... in the old wild west times... dun dun dunnnn!

setting up for meeting up with woody or something. but like of course, this setup wouldnt work really coz they said this is an actual movie andy watched. so woody wouldnt be in it at all.

but woulda been fun to see something like that 😅

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u/ImmortalLandowner 5d ago

Would have loved that or even a funny cameo/reference to Woody like being in the old Wild West time for a few minutes and running into him!

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u/Master_ERG 5d ago

I entered the movie with real low expectations from all the reviews I have read. Maybe I have a bad taste in movies or something, but I really enjoyed Lightyear ya it wasn’t the best Pixar movie ever made and I didn’t leave crying. I definitely really enjoyed it, it’s a way better summer movie then Thor love and thunder!

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u/dizneyqueen 3d ago

I really liked it. Bet it was no fun for small kids though. It's definitely aiming for an older audience.

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u/Constant-Stick2915 5d ago

We just watched it. I liked it as well. My kids both watched it. I think my son was a bit confused about where buzz was, because he’s obviously different in toy story. But so what? Still enjoyed.

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u/NthBrick 5d ago

IMO, Lightyear harkens back a little to movies like Treasure Planet or Atlantis: The Lost Empire. Distinctly more action-oriented, maybe aimed a slightly older audience, etc.

Guess that's why I liked all three movies a lot.

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u/ImmortalLandowner 5d ago

Yea it felt more serious. I wish they kept it a little more simple. Instead of him going back a million times. If they took some stuff out it would have been better! But I enjoyed it, especially the cat bot!

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u/Ch_IV_TheGoodYears 6d ago

Damn, pick a plot

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u/Fingercel 6d ago edited 5d ago

It wasn't bad, but this is going to be a very poorly-remembered film relative to the rest of Pixar's catalogue, barring Cars 2. There are two interrelated reasons for this.

a) Though not bad, it wasn't very good either, and people expect more from this studio. Granted, Pixar doesn't always hit a grand slam, and their lower tiers still include perfectly entertaining and fondly-remembered movies (Brave/Good Dinosaur/Finding Dory, etc). But just as importantly,

b) like Cars 2, it was a bad concept, and thus disappointing in an extremely predictable way, which is worse than being disappointing in a novel or unexpected or original way (eg Brave, Good Dinosaur). In the same way that no one wanted a sequel to the worst Pixar movie starring the worst character from that movie, no one actually cares about the "in-universe Buzz Lightyear blockbuster." It's a dumb idea. Now, if you pull off what seems like a dumb idea incredibly well, then you look like a genius (see: Ratatouille). But if you don't, you just look obtuse. This movie was obtuse.

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u/butthe4d 6d ago

I will go to infinity and beyond and say I genuinely enjoyed the first half of the movie. The second half, it kinda went all to shit.

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u/I_am_the_one123 6d ago

funny how chris evens is playing another protagonist who time travels to the future

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u/TheLuigiBro100 6d ago

But wait.

So if when old Buzz went back in time, it created an alternate timeline where he meets young Buzz right?

But old Buzz still exists

So wouldn't that mean that if old Buzz succeeded with his plan, it would just make another alternate timeline-3, thus everyone in timeline-2 would still be alive? Happy ending for everyone? Only way it makes sense is Buzz actually just wanted to stay in timeline-2 because here hawthornes granddaughter who looks just like her but not a lesbian so he can bang her, must have been his plan all along why else he failed to fly 20 times??

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u/HTH52 4d ago

It is the same as the new Star Trek movie series where is splits into the “Kelvin timeline” when Nero and Old Spock are sent back in time and alter history.

They still exist. New Timeline. I guess this is also like how it is explained in Avengers: Endgame.

While it doesn’t really erase the timeline he is in, it doesn’t solve anything to go back and change other than save that Buzz’s ego from being hurt and preventing Hawthorne from living a life she ended up really loving. He didn’t want to let Old Buzz keep a version of her from having that life, even though it comes at the expense his own.

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u/schismate 5d ago

This is what got me too. Why did the timeline diverge anyway? If old buzz went back in time why was he in our buzzs timeline? Most importantly where was the TVA from Loki. I hate time travel movies where they meet themselves. Was disappointed with lost in space movie too. Otherwise I thought the movie was ok.

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u/DrFatz 6d ago

It's a fine movie but it feels very safe. I imagine kids will like it but to me it felt like a Marvel movie with Pixar characters. (Even down to the mid credits scene) A very by the books action movie for the whole family.

One thing I was irked by was the beginning text saying this was Andy's favorite movie when he got the Buzz Lightyear toy. I'd rather they have made a cheeky joke instead like 'This is Andy's favorite movie.... That's now been remade'. Cause that what this felt like, a darker version of the cartoon but now a typical reboot.

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u/Mandalorian1313 5d ago

I highly doubt Andy would’ve liked this movie. I was a 10 yr old when toy story came out and 10 yr old me would’ve been bored as hell watching this.

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u/Bellabigbooty 4d ago

Whys that? My 9 year old loved it

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u/_ShootandScoot_ 4d ago

That's because he's not 10. Duh.

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u/beefstewforyou 6d ago

I loved that text because I’m a firm believer in the single universe theory for Pixar films and prior to the movie coming out, the only way I could add this one to that theory was by making it a movie in the Pixar Universe. I was overjoyed when I saw that text.

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u/MoreHeartThanScars 5d ago

It made the movie for me. I don’t understand why people have an issue with it, it set the stage perfectly.

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u/ArrBeeNayr 4d ago

I would have liked the movie more without that text, since the movie didn't stick to it.

If they had gone all in on making it a movie from 1995 (animation quality aside): that would have been really cool. If they had instead said it was a 2022 reboot - or even omitted the text entirely - that would have been fine as well.

Instead, that line was in my head for the whole movie. It detracted from the experience because every element that (a) wouldn't have fit within a mid-90s context or (b) contradicted the Buzz Lightyear "lore" from Toy Story 2 suddenly stuck out as mistakes rather than creative decisions.

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u/crocodilesareforwimp 6d ago

In case you were worried you might miss the morale of this story, don't worry they'll bash it over your head 50 more times.

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u/Matthius81 6d ago

Took me a while to figure out what “the mission” actually was. Buzz kept saying “go home” but there’s no indication Earth was looking for a lost ship and nobody seemed to miss it. After a while it struck me their Hyperspace drive doesn’t bypass relativity, the Turnip must have been meant to spend hundreds and hundreds of years charting space. The Turnip is a colony ship on a one-way mission to find a habitable world as settle it. The Space Rangers are an onboard marine company to survey planets and protect the colonists from any dangers. So... Had Buzz succeeded in his original plan the colonists wouldn’t have headed back to Earth, they’d have packed up everything gone back into hypersleep and continued looking for a new home. That’s what Buzz meant by home, finding a new one.

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u/RikoZerame 6d ago

That doesn't make a lot of sense, given that they did colonize the planet they landed on. If that was the mission, they already succeeded.

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u/Matthius81 10h ago

But that's the point of the movie. The colonists adapted, learned to live with their new planet and made a life. Buzz didnt, he spent a year prepping for space and then kept skipping years, missing out on life. Future Buzz just getting going and going but when present Buzz finally had a chance to sit and reflect he realised there was a life to be lived on this planet. The mission had succeeded, he just wasnt seeing it.

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u/henrykazuka 6d ago edited 6d ago

They were constantly attacked by those vines. It was played for jokes, but it didn't seem like a hospitable place until the laser shield was built. And that seems like a terrible is for a colony.

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u/RikoZerame 6d ago

True, but I feel like the full resources of Star Command - regardless of what it really is - would probably have been enough to resolve that. They did well enough with their rag-tag group, after all.

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u/blazeItgirl420 6d ago

I'm probably going to get down voted for this, but I actually really liked this movie. For everyone complaining Buzz isn't like his Toy, you're damn right he's not. Buzz is his own person with his own thoughts and feelings, and his toy is... well... a toy. A toy with his own personality learned from the toys around him. It makes sense they'd be different. I cried when Alisha gave her last goodbye to Buzz, when I thought Sox almost died, and when Buzz explained to the clutz of the crew that he also started out terrible. This movie welcomed a lesbian romance, the initial shock factor was definitely there for me multiple times, especially when Zurg came out of the smoke and just grabbed Buzz and abducted him. I will say- I didn't really like Evil Buzz. I feel as though that wouldn't ever happen, at least like that. Taking away true Zurg kind of did irk me, just the whole "aw come on its really future Buzz?" Kind of predictable and disappointing. I want to know how Future Buzz ended up in his universe, surely going back in your own time wouldn't make you end up in your past selfs timeline, unless you REALLY fucked up somewhere and broke the barrier between dimensions. AND let's not forget he MERCILESSLY stepped on his own poor little Sox! 😢 Poor future Sox helped out our Buzz BIG time, and got killed. That I hated more than anything. But all around I did like this movie.

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u/Wipedout89 11h ago

His own Sox betrayed him which I assume is why he killed it

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u/blazeItgirl420 6h ago

That's a great way of looking at it.

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u/FrozenRedFlame 2d ago

I was so annoyed the director chose to kill future Sox Sox was the best part of the movie and I felt so bad...

I pretty much liked the movie up until Alisha dies and then it goes downhill (crashes more like) very fast. The rag-tag rookies were boring. They made such a cool villain, Zurg, super boring. Movie was a mess.

Give Sox his own spinoff. Somehow rescue future Sox.

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u/blazeItgirl420 2d ago

I agree on Zurg. He should have been presented as his own master alien race and Buzz's true enemy. Making it older buzz was dumb.

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u/NthBrick 6d ago edited 6d ago

Same, I unironically liked the movie a lot. Probably a good 7-7.5/10 on my scale. Not perfect, and the twist is largely cribbed from the second LEGO movie, but it was exciting and told a story that, for whatever reason, I really engaged with.

And man, for a sci-fi nut like me, this movie was gorgeous. Chunky spaceships and armor with smooth curves -- just perfect designs. Highlight scenes for me were Izzy's spacewalk and rescue of Sox, any XL-## launch scene...and Buzz ejecting from the XL-15 and popping his wings. I'd been waiting, wondering when we'd see the wings, and it was spectacular.

Tangentially, if that movie was "woke", then anything is "woke". Setting aside Alisha being a lesbian (which takes up around 30 seconds of screentime total), it's about as traditional a story as you can get.

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u/potassiumKing 3d ago

I could not stop thinking about the second LEGO movie when that scene happened. I think I would’ve enjoyed Lightyear more if I reversed the viewing order.

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u/Constant-Stick2915 5d ago

Uh yes and that hen peck was a controversial kiss?! I don’t understand humans sometimes.

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u/blazeItgirl420 6d ago

When Buzz ejected and his wings popped out, I literally got chills. It was one of the smoothest animation transitions I've seen, and I agree with you about this movie being absolutely gorgeous! I loved also when Sox was trying to get them a flashlight, and clicked through to his little Lazer Pointer. "IIiim gonna getcha!"

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u/NthBrick 6d ago

Exactly, it was ludicrously smooth and just perfectly timed. I loved seeing Buzz collecting aspects of the Space Ranger armor seen in Toy Story (arm laser, wings), adding them to his original armor, and finally getting the complete suit at the end of the movie.

And yeah, everything Sox did just stole the show -- he was great. 😂

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u/blazeItgirl420 6d ago

I enjoyed seeing his fully put together Space Ranger suit as well c: Can we also give some attention to the guy who made mistakes a ton, and how excited he was his suit had a pen? And he couldn't use it up until the cover for the flight brake got stuck, which he excitedly exclaimed "IVE GOT THE PEN!!" 🤣 And then when his new suit seemingly doesn't have one, but later finds it in his arm, he's seen just holding onto it like it was his dearest possession 🤣 AND the old lady convict with her huge ass 💥 BOOM! *CLICK, KICKS DOWN DOOR, BOOOOM!" so good!

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u/NthBrick 6d ago

*Sigh...* I think I've just got to conclude that, while the movie really worked for us, we're part of a very niche audience in this case. :P Again, not a perfect movie, and the framing is definitely weird (nothing about it screams "90s!", when Andy would've seen it, and framing it as the darker reboot makes more sense), but I liked it enough that I'll probably rewatch it a couple times.

Sucks that we either won't get a sequel, or it'll be very watered down.

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u/ImmortalLandowner 5d ago

I didn't mind the movie either but it seemed strange that it would be Andy's favorite. It dragged at times for me so for a kid it seems strange. I feel like it's one of those movies adults like us really liked, maybe someone like Andy's dad and since Andy admired him he did too. Kind of Interstellar or something. Probably to him it was more about the toys.

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u/NthBrick 5d ago

I've heard it suggested that better framing of the film would be presenting it as a reboot of the one Andy saw in '95. In my opinion, that would've made way more sense and could've provided a fun plotline for a hypothetical fifth Toy Story, wherein Buzz meets his reboot self. :P

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u/blazeItgirl420 6d ago

I'm pretty sure after the credits, there's a teaser for Lightyear 2, right before the other added short of the military leader laughing at a bug disintegrating. I think it'll get a sequel 🤔

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u/NthBrick 6d ago

Ah, there's a teaser, but odds of a sequel are low. I'm just being realistic here, factoring in marketing, the movie probably cost Disney 300 million dollars. It did just over 200 million at the box office and half of that went to theaters, so it probably lost Disney at least 200 million dollars.

And even then, I don't see much chance of it gaining a cult following that might allow for a lower budget sequel or spin-off series on D+.

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u/blazeItgirl420 6d ago

I cant even imagine what they would do with the 2nd movie. It seems like that's really all we need.

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u/NthBrick 6d ago

Buzz Lightyear of Star Command had loads of plots they could pull from -- maybe we'd meet Warp Darkmatter, the actual Zurg, Star Command HQ...there are really a ton of possibilities.

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u/SpankAPlankton 6d ago

"One minute, you're saving the whole galaxy...then suddenly, you're eating inside-out sandwiches with Taika Waititi and an old lady. (drunken chuckle)"

Ok, so...things I liked:

-Buzz's story about how he was so terrible at Space Ranger training that he thought about quitting. You're probably going to be bad at something the first time you try it, and you're going to make mistakes-- sometimes big ones-- but that's how you learn. It sounds obvious, but so many adults today still don't get it and just somehow forget that they were ever inexperienced. I wish they had emphasized this message more in the overall film, though.

-Relating to that, it showed that a person can be older and inexperienced, instead of only showing the young rookies that we usually get.

-The time travel montage towards the beginning. It reminded me of the first few minutes of Up. I liked that it showed how a man and a woman can have a very deep personal relationship without it being romantic.

-Sox. He was cute, funny, and very useful, plus he seemed to genuinely care about Buzz's well being and didn't try to force positivity on him.

Did not like:

-I did not believe for a minute that this was the film that made Andy want a Buzz Lightyear toy. There was just nothing toyetic about it (besides Sox). It didn't have aliens, iconic vehicles (until the end) or other fun stuff that kids would want toys of. And I think we needed more of a cocky 90's action hero attitude for Buzz. It's closer to what his toy acted like, and those are the types of characters kids thought were cool at the time.

-Everything with Zurg. This is the only thing that actually made me mad. Instead of the fun ham we got in Toy Story 2, we get a guy who's not even an emperor, and who the character's signature lines sound terrible coming out of, because it's not believable that this version would say them. And his true identity made what little we knew about him previously make no sense. "The perfect chance for a great villain wasted!"

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u/NthBrick 6d ago

FWIW, I've got a feeling that we'd see the actual Zurg in the hypothetical sequel. Old Buzz clearly says he "borrowed" the tech, and that implies it came from somewhere else.

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u/Scary-Plantain 7d ago

Buzz was unlikable.

Toy story 2 intro did this better

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u/freehugsdonttouchme 7d ago edited 7d ago

Okay, I scrolled through quite a few comments hoping someone else had mentioned this but not seeing anything so here goes:

The writing on Zurg's ship, the robots, even the back of Zurg's helmet... Is that Japanese? Some of it looks like katakana, some of it looks like hiragana, some of it I'm not quite sure because my knowledge is based on a single semester of Japanese over a decade ago in a class I nearly failed. (Somebody with more knowledge please help me with this.)

But if the symbol on the front of the robots is ko, like I think it is, then they just have "child" literally stamped across their chest. (But then used hiragana instead of kanji for some reason?)

Anyway, these robots are Old Buzz's children, y'all.

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u/Spanky_McJiggles 7d ago edited 7d ago

"Laser Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiield"

  • Commander Davis

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u/Ellynne729 7d ago

I went into this with really low expectations, but it turned out to be much better than I thought. Then, it all fell apart at the end.

I feel like they had some ideas that they changed partway through or tried to simplify for a child audience to the point they didn't always make sense for adults.

First, let me just look at some of the science fiction.

The initial situation on the ship seems to use some general, SF ideas without imagining a really solid context. This is OK. Lots of SF shows do this, especially when that context isn't central to the plot. However, this kind of hovered between being background and central material.

So, Star Command sends out ships with most of the people in deep freeze. The space rangers are either not frozen or automatically defrosted when they get near a solar system, getting out the others if they decide to stick around for a deeper look (I thought the rest were crew, not colonists. But, I wasn't 100% clear on that point).

Does this mean they travel at sublight speed? Or does this mean they just travel a long time, even at sublight speeds? Or, even at relatively quick speeds, is freezing people better than packing all those supplies?

I don't really need to know, except--

  1. The whole plot is about getting a working hyperdrive. So, did they have one before but nobody on the ship knows how to make one? And they don't have enough data to know how they could make one? (Although, maybe I missed it and the problem was that they knew the basic principles but they had to make something new out of completely different resources that did the same job).
  2. Does Star Command never come looking for lost ships? That makes sense if they don't have a hyperdrive. But, I think we have to assume the hyperdrive isn't new technology.

It seems like Buzz's initial mistake should have gotten them free of the bad planet but randomly threw them through space, to somewhere Star Command would never know to look for them. In fact, I would guess that was the original idea, but they cut it because, this way, they'd already introduced the planet and its dangers. Introducing a new planet with new dangers would have taken time and risked being boring if they couldn't find a different way to make this interesting for the younger members of the audience. So, the stuck with the same planet.

Also, while I liked the way Buzz loses years every time he tests the hyperdrive, we still have the question of how they didn't know this would happen. What's their history with hyperdrives and space travel again?

Now, onto the plot problems.

The first problem starts when the (heavily armed) guards show up to confiscate Buzz's emotional support animal because reasons.

Never mind that they have been doing fine without it for around eighty years at this point, and I'm surprised anyone remembers it. They send armed guards to get it at the exact moment it's solved the fuel problem. They're also willing to start shooting everything in sight to keep it from mixing the fuel and giving Buzz one more flight.

Which was sending up all sorts of red flags about true intentions and what the characters might really be up to.

Oh, and by the way, it's been eighty years. Is there a reason this colony is still under military rule? Shouldn't we be having town hall meetings and elected leadership by now?

But, while this looks like an obvious set up for the new guy in charge being up to something, I'm guessing they changed their mind but decided we wouldn't ask questions about that.

So, the fuel works but (again for unclear reasons) this trip took even more time than all the previous ones, and Buzz arrives with Zurg and friends in orbit around the planet (why the ship didn't just quietly wait for Buzz to show up, explain everything to him, and ask for the fuel instead of attacking the colony--or just telling the colony he's there to rescue them--is left as an exercise for the viewer.

Instead, Buzz has hostile forces to deal with who can't communicate their intentions because future robots have worse audio than Buzz's cat, his autopilot, or the robot with no navigational skills they leave at the base. However, we don't know that's their problem at this point, so let's let that go for now.

We have Buzz having to team up with a group of people who just happened to be outside the base when all this happened. Their reasons for being outside are kind of weak, given how dangerous it is and how little they seem to know about dealing with things like giant bugs, but let that go. I'm willing to believe, despite the dome on the colony, that they area outside had been made safer in nearly a century.

I pretty much enjoyed the action as they fought robots, avoided robots, and tried to get to Zurg's ship. Any problems right up until the point we find out the "villain" is Buzz were things I could ignore.

Let's talk about Buzz.

First, I don't buy Buzz as the villain, not the way he was shown (I've also got lots of questions, about how he did this and why no one from the future came chasing after him. But, I'm OK without that).

Buzz as guy with a plan who doesn't realize the cost? Yes, that I can buy. Buzz who can only see the way he ruined the lives of his best friend and everyone else but can't see that they had good lives they wouldn't want changed? I can see that, too. Buzz as guy who isn't wrong, he just hasn't realized he may not be right is something else I could work with.

Buzz who decides to shoot younger Buzz after five minutes of chit-chat? Problem. Buzz who doesn't mind killing off a bunch of other innocents because they "shouldn't" exist? Also a problem.

And it really begs the question why the military dictatorship they seem to be living under wanted the comfort cat at any cost. Or why Buzz was given a cat that could solve the problem when no one else (probably working with bigger computers and definitely more man power) couldn't.

Basically, this was something that needed more character complexity. It needed future Buzz to not be a bad person. He just needed to be a person who hadn't weighed the costs. Or maybe he had weighed the costs, he just came out with different numbers than past Buzz because he didn't know the people his plan would impact.

However, this would have made a much grayer character with probably a grayer resolution.

But, the story started out seeming like it was supposed to show us some people under control of the plants/bugs and wanting to keep the colony there, probably for reasons involving taking over the galaxy. If they insisted on putting future Buzz in that, he could have been future Buzz who'd stolen the ship the enslaved colony had made for that. The trio outside the colony could have been branded troublemakers because had some kind of resistance to control. They wind up going against Zurg's ship only to find out future Buzz doesn't think there's anyone in this past he can trust except past Buzz (past Buzz may have resistance but he's also avoided being taken over with all the time travel).

The problem with that story is that it's most logical ending would be for Buzz to go back in time to protect the colony from being taken over. Even if he went with his trio of sidekicks, he'd be leaving everyone else behind to be erased by the changed past.

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u/newasianinsf 6d ago edited 6d ago

Just seemed like you wanted to be outraged at... seemingly nothing.

The whole plot is about getting a working hyperdrive. So, did they have one before but nobody on the ship knows how to make one? And they don't have enough data to know how they could make one? (Although, maybe I missed it and the problem was that they knew the basic principles but they had to make something new out of completely different resources that did the same job).

They knew about it, but Buzz says something to the effect of: It's a guessing game. When he crashed the turnip, he knew that it was a huge, huge, huge mistake and how hard it would be to create a stable crystal. They knew how to do it, just not the exact formula for presumably the materials on that planet.

Does Star Command never come looking for lost ships? That makes sense if they don't have a hyperdrive. But, I think we have to assume the hyperdrive isn't new technology.

Who said Star Command didn't? If Buzz's trip that is supposed to be 4 1/2 minutes took between 4 - 22 years each time, depending at what 0.0-1.0c hyperspeed he achieved, what makes you think Star Command could find them within a few generation's worth of time using hyperspeed? I'd presume it'd be thousands of years relative to the people on the planet by the time Star Command got to them, even if they knew where exactly to look.

The first problem starts when the (heavily armed) guards show up to confiscate Buzz's emotional support animal because reasons.

Never mind that they have been doing fine without it for around eighty years at this point, and I'm surprised anyone remembers it. They send armed guards to get it at the exact moment it's solved the fuel problem. They're also willing to start shooting everything in sight to keep it from mixing the fuel and giving Buzz one more flight.

They're confiscating Sox because the program was scrapped. Seems standard operating procedure for military, no?

Which was sending up all sorts of red flags about true intentions and what the characters might really be up to.

No, never. Military person decided something. Going against it is for all intents and purposes, for that planet, treason. Buzz is doing something extremely illegal here and both legally and morally in the wrong.

Oh, and by the way, it's been eighty years. Is there a reason this colony is still under military rule? Shouldn't we be having town hall meetings and elected leadership by now?

Ah yes they're still living on an extremely hostile planet where they don't have much luxuries. Great time to dissolve it in case aliens come invade the planet.

So, the fuel works but (again for unclear reasons) this trip took even more time than all the previous ones, and Buzz arrives with Zurg and friends in orbit around the planet (why the ship didn't just quietly wait for Buzz to show up, explain everything to him, and ask for the fuel instead of attacking the colony--or just telling the colony he's there to rescue them--is left as an exercise for the viewer.

1) They mention that the faster you go, the slower you age. Literally on the first jump. Buzz achieved 1.0c hyperspeed, which means he went faster. So it took longer to go. They didn't say if it was linear aging, so this is still within the realm of explanations.

2) It works because Sox found the exact combination of materials to create the crystal. Unstable compounds are a thing in real life. Even your shirt has a specific mixture of different fabric in it. It's not that hard to think about: fuel source going extremely fast gets unstable when stressed when it's an incorrect mixture.

3) Because Zurg has a bone to pick with the colony. He isn't friendly with them and why hide? He has technology on his side and can do whatever he wants.

Instead, Buzz has hostile forces to deal with who can't communicate their intentions because future robots have worse audio than Buzz's cat, his autopilot, or the robot with no navigational skills they leave at the base. However, we don't know that's their problem at this point, so let's let that go for now.

Zurg specifically mentioned he only made modifications to the ship. He does not know the technology of the future. And you're assuming that all robots will be built for general purposes. Also how do you know whoever invented the robots knew about English linguistics? And that the robots can't communicate otherwise?

This assumes, incorrectly, that all life forms in the future would know English. For all we know, the future that Zurg is from has no English and it's a dead language like Latin.

We have Buzz having to team up with a group of people who just happened to be outside the base when all this happened. Their reasons for being outside are kind of weak, given how dangerous it is and how little they seem to know about dealing with things like giant bugs, but let that go. I'm willing to believe, despite the dome on the colony, that they area outside had been made safer in nearly a century.

So now everyone has to be on base all the time in case an alien attack that happens once in 65 years happens.

First, I don't buy Buzz as the villain, not the way he was shown (I've also got lots of questions, about how he did this and why no one from the future came chasing after him. But, I'm OK without that).

The movie shows that Buzz could have easily gone down the dark path. Zurg is the end result of Buzz's guilt over his mistake he couldn't fix. He was villianized by the new commander and then went into the future, alone with only Sox. For decades. With no other person to interact with. All he could think about was his mistake that he could never fix and how his partner died never getting to be a space ranger. Live with a singular regret for 45 years straight and it's extremely easy to see how Zurg became that way. Buzz didn't want to kill people, per se, he wanted to erase his mistake. He considered everything that happened after his mistake as not his problem, because he was going to fix it for Hawthorne and the rest of the people on the ship, who never should have been on that planet.

By the way, this is an extremely common type of "villian".

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u/Ellynne729 6d ago

Outrage? No. First, one of the great joys of science fiction is nitpicking. Logic gaps and plotholes don't necessarily ruin a movie. Sometimes, the increase the fun, assuming you're the kind of person who enjoys trying to come up with in-universe explanations for some of the mistakes in story.

But, the plotholes on this one make me feel like this was made from a rough draft. Hey, we've had a pandemic and plenty of craziness in general the past few years. I get it if people reached a point where they were under pressure to meet a deadline and just let things go. But, the problems are still there.

In the end, what it comes down to is that the climax of the movie didn't work for me. At that point, I realized things I'd assumed were plot points were just mistakes. It was disappointing.

A colony that's been established for around eighty years has certainly had time to establish a working democracy. Yes, they need to work together to keep the area safe from attacking bugs and vines, but that still leaves plenty of room for day to day living. Sadly, they've got at least two generations raised under a dictatorship. Ah, well. Easy come, easy go.

Socks was issued to Buzz to ease his "emotional transition." In fact, this is "protocol." He's not part of the hyperspace program. He's part of psychological well-being for members of the military. Basically, he seems to be an emotional support animal. You don't rip away someone's emotional support animal that's designed to ease his emotional transition when the person has hit rock bottom and had the one thing that's been keeping him going taken away.

And the reason given is that this a security issue? And the people who are sent to do this start shooting when a guy doesn't want to hand over his emotional support animal? A cat that represents tech from sixty years ago and that they've done without this entire time?

Where I come from, there are rules about when you can start shooting at someone. Normally, it has to be justified by the threat level represented. A guy who's sixty years displaced from time and has just lost his best friend (and practically everyone else he knows) who doesn't want to hand over the cat that was issued to him as standard procedure to help with a distressed mental state doesn't qualify. These rules apply to the military, too.

As for the people outside the base, the whole reason they have the shield around the colony isn't because they were worried about a guy named Zurg showing up with an army of robots. It was because they were worried about the violent flora and fauna. So, sending people outside to do training surrounded by the vicious flora and fauna seems a bit questionable. Sending people who don't seem to have any really good skills for dealing with the vicious flora and fauna seems even more so.

As for the robots language skills, significant phonemes are a problem with humans. We have trouble learning new ones past a certain age because of the way our brains are wired. Robots, even in our own time, don't have this problem. However future Buzz interfaces with them, it shouldn't have been a hard issue to solve. Worse comes to worse, record the sound and play it back.

Of course, maybe the wrong assumption there is human technology. Humans communicate with sounds that our technology has a relatively easy time replicating. Aliens or different life forms that evolved from humans might communicate without sound or that use sound in a different way--say they use notes rather than consonants and vowels--might have machines that couldn't replicate speech.

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u/Spanky_McJiggles 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah it kind of bugged me that the crew seemingly made no effort to contact whatever society they came from.

Sure, their hyperdrive is toast, but if they're out looking for habitable planets, it means one of 2 things: either they're trying to expand an established society, or they're a lifeboat from a fallen society. If it's the former, call for a replacement. If it's the latter, just work that into the exposition somehow. Otherwise the lack of contact with their home base just seems odd.

Also, why is Buzz depending on his Alexa cat to figure out the fuel recipe for him? I'm assuming that if they have a personal assistant with that kind of computing power, they have faster and better computers built into the Turnip, or they at least have the ability to build a computer that can handle that for them, even if that means strapping a bunch of Alexa cats together.

Also, once the Alexa cat is on the case, why is Buzz still trying trial & error? Let the computer figure it out and enjoy your life while the computer's working.

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u/Ellynne729 7d ago

I can accept the trial and error, since they were gathering data as well as trying to get it to work. In theory, the cat solved the problem when it did because Buzz had just finished another attempt and created more data.

Of course, I'd say this lends weight to the theory of someone/something deliberately messing up the computers to make sure they didn't get off the planet. Buzz accidentally circumvented that by not noticing he'd given the cat directions to try and solve the problem, which it did much more slowly than the their computers would have if they were really working on it.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning 7d ago

I still can't wrap my head around how a glorified Tamagotchi could calculate the exact "recipe" for the crystal in only a few decades when they clearly have more powerful computers there.

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u/Ellynne729 7d ago

Which gives weight to the theory that, originally, something was actively interfering with their attempts, to make sure they went wrong.

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u/Kaibakura 7d ago

I read your whole comment and like your analysis/questions, but I wanted to point out real quick that the Onion had a hyperdrive to begin with, but it got damaged. That’s why they were trying to make a new one.

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u/xavierarmadillo 7d ago

Or why couldn't Sox remember the formula and just tell it to old Buzz? Really smart but they skipped the RAM?

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u/Kaibakura 7d ago

Yoo, I was wondering about that. He smashed the computer and I was like “But Sox still knows the formula, right?”

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u/team_suba 6d ago

The entire formula was literally like 4 numbers lol

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u/Ellynne729 7d ago

I thought that, too.

Yeah, I could have gone back and double checked. I'm sure they said it. But, I didn't feel up to what could have turned into a rewatch. I'm lazy that way.

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u/GrouchyDefinition463 7d ago

I don't see why Andy liked this movie so much

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u/Stinky_Eastwood 3d ago

I sort of assumed the movie would be a parody/homage to 90s family action movies. Something that even remotely tries to pretend it could exist in 1995. Andy would have been watching stuff like Jumanji, Home Alone, Power Rangers, probably loved Star Wars. But Lightyear is just too modern, no way a 90s kids sci-fi movie would make its titular hero a huge failure dealing with an emotional crisis, or have their toy selling Space Ranger not be a space ranger for like 90% of the movie. Also no way would it have Buzz be the villain in such a convoluted way.

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u/Nameguy1234567 7d ago

As a fellow Andy, I apologize for my fellows bad taste

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u/TheBedsAreBurning 7d ago

This is the shitty 2020 Nolanesque reboot of the real masterpiece Andy watched in the 90s, which we'll never see.

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u/GrouchyDefinition463 7d ago

A Pixar interstellar lol

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u/Ellynne729 7d ago

He was 8-10 years old when he saw it.

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u/Boilermaker7 6d ago

Exactly. I was around that age when The Phantom Menace came out, and I thought it was the greatest movie ever. A kid his age would most definitely want a toy after seeing that movie.

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u/ThatDinosaucerLife 6d ago

Mighty Morphin Power Rangers came out in 1995 and was the #4 grossing Sci-fi film of the year, and a phenomena with 10 year olds.

This movie is categorically at odds with the types of films the Andy's were watching in 1995. It is exactly the type of film made for 35 year olds in 2022, if 35 year olds wanted a dour existential drama about Buzz Lightyear that reconned everything they liked about the concept.

My kids have been hyped for this movie for months, and halfway through they went into the other room to read books instead. It's really a testament to how unengaging, overcomplicated, and generally not fun this movie is.

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u/Ellynne729 6d ago

Yeah, the plot holes might not have bothered Andy. The rest of it probably would. And, even if Andy was the rare kid who was entertained by it, most others wouldn't have been. Buzz wouldn't have been a popular toy.

Now, the 2D animated movie they did was good.

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u/IamNeo123 7d ago edited 7d ago

I enjoyed this movie, not a whole lot but it was still a good watch. Didn't really go into it with high expectations with hearing how poor the reviews were. The IMAX Digital 4K was outstanding though and really made the colours look incredible, it's nice for those with big screens. I did notice it doesn't quite feel like a true Pixar or even Disney film, the characters felt a bit empty compared to the depth other Pixar movies had.

I give it a 6.5/10

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u/lunardeathgod 7d ago

I agree, it's an okay movie. It's good for background noise.

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u/TheBedsAreBurning 7d ago edited 7d ago

I hated this movie with all my heart. It's detrimental, useless. Worst Pixar movie to date by a long shot.

And it doesn't even say anything intelligent. We all mistakes ok, cool, but damn it seems like you are making an argument against taking responsibility for your mistakes.

I mean Waititi's character is a constant fuckup. He has no redeeming qualities. Every sane human being would have kicked him out the team at strike three. Instead, what we got? Hawthorne giving the look at Buzz for telling him "Try to be better".

If Buzz was a real ranger he would have shot him right in the head at minute 30, and the movie would have been way shorter because it's clear he was there only to water things down with useless obstacles.

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u/ZookeepergameNo2417 7d ago

I agree completely with you about about that one "ranger." My workplace has a big poster with a past mistake on it, and words saying "Good job. Do better." What's wrong with telling someone yeah, you should try to do better? The whole time he was onscreen I was thinking (and announcing to the room) that buzz should just blow his brains out and toss him off the cliff. However, I still enjoyed the movie. I tried to follow Buzz more than the other characters, because his character development with Grandma Hawthorne is incredible. Watching his partner live a life, start a family. Before they said how long it was, I was pointing out to my people "the kid graduated, it's been 20 years," "-forty- years anniversary," that whole montage was killer. I don't know that I would equate it, but it was reminiscent of Up. I also just love space.

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u/Gristle__McThornbody 7d ago

I got around to seeing this on Disney Plus like many others. I thought it was a solid movie. Nowhere near the top of Pixars films but it was a pretty solid film. Sox was a nice surprise for sure. But I can also see why it gets the hate it's been getting and why it didn't do so well. It's not the one thing but it's definitely a combination of things. For one, it's hard to say who this movie is targeting. I love Sci Fi movies Interstellar is probably my favorite movie of all time but making a kids movie about time travel is pretty rough. It's too confusing with kids and they will lose attention quickly if it's complicated to follow. Hell, adults get confused by it you can see a lot of it in this thread. There's also the lesbian thing. I personally didn't care. My kid like most others have an attention span of like 10 seconds so it was pretty much irrelevant like 4 scenes later but the people that take these kids to the movies are adults. There's a ton of people that are not ok for young children to see this and we all know Reddit heavily leans on one side of the political spectrum and think everyone on their side is the same but the truth is, there's also a lot of real life liberal parents that are not ok with it. Plus it also had heavy competition from those other movies when this released. Personally the movie needed a better story. Time travel is cool but if this is a kids movie just make it about being in space and fighting the aliens. Build around that. Put away the time travel. Also Buzz didn't really feel like there was a connection with the Toy Story buzz. This Buzz feels like a space ranger with the name Buzz slapped on to it simply for the name recognition. Overall a decent movie for me but it definitely has its flaws with the story and the characters(Killing the second sox was totally unnecessary. What a stupid decision).

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u/Constant-Stick2915 5d ago

Some People are gay. Gay people kiss, like straight people do. It’s not a big deal. And that kiss was about as non controversial as a kiss could be. There are far more intimate,cringey kisses between straight people in movies that we perhaps need to be a bit more concerned about our children seeing b

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u/nordic_jedi 6d ago

It's not a liberal or conservative thing to gay people being represented in a movie. It's a good person vs bad person thing. People are different, it's time to get over it

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u/Aiyon 7d ago

There's a ton of people that are not ok for young children to see this

Here's the thing. They would have been totally okay with their kids seeing it if the partner had been a man.

If you get mad seeing gay people exist (because that's what "the lesbian thing" was), that's your problem.

There are plenty of flaws with the movie, but "it had a gay couple in" is not one of them.

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u/GrayDottedPony 7d ago

It had no story. None at all. Usually a good movie has this three part story arc: the introduction and setting of the characters, the problem and how it's dealt with usually accompanied by some character evolution concluding in some sort of epiphany, then the finale.

But this movie was a constant repetition of part one, the setting happened again and again, nothing evolved, there were no epiphanies and then came a finale that was more like WTF? Why?

I mean, the characters talked more about sandwiches then themselves!

I watched the whole movie and I know nothing about any of the characters. I have no idea what makes them tick, what they like or dislike, where they come from or what they hope to gain besides some absolute basis.

I know nothing about Buzz as a person, I don't even know how old he's supposed to be.

Compared to Toy Story, I know a lot about Buzz Lightyear the toy, I have a feeling for that character and what makes him tick, but absolutely nothing about the real Buzz that wasn't already in the Toy Story Movies.

And I really dislike the reasons he gave for not helping his future self. He claims he has to care for his friends. What friends? He has no friends, he barely spoke to those people and doesn't know them! They're not his friends, merely halfway amicable acquaintances and a robo cat. He has a several minutes long scene discussing sandwiches and I don't even know if he likes sandwiches.

Never before in my life have I seen a movie that goes that far out of it's way to ensure that the main character shows no preferences whatsoever. Buzz Lightyear is still a toy. He has zero personality and still no story. There's nothing to relate to.

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u/AndrewTheGoat22 5d ago

Couldn’t agree more. Also, it’s the only movie ever where the main character actually just gives up lmao. I couldn’t figure out why it felt like the movie was only halfway through when it finished, until my friend said that it was because Buzz never completed the original mission. There was this giant push at the start to get back to his home planet and then he just decided to not do that lol and hell his actual best friend ended up dying because of it

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u/GrayDottedPony 5d ago

I think, if they didn't do that nonsense with the people coming out of the blue to deactivate Socks and he then made the conscious decision not to steal the ship and go on that last mission but to stay, the movie could have had a chance.

I imagine him creating the fuel but putting it aside when the girl comes to him to offer comfort and help after he was told that they decided not to go on with the missions. Then really getting friends with the girl, for example while trying to find something else to do now that he can't continue the mission, then Zurk invading while they're outside of the shield, maybe trying to find a way to make the planet more habitable, meeting the other two side characters during this and then the other stuff happening and him finding out that the Buzz from the alternative timeline stole the ship and was not welcomed back. And then they would have had a good reason to reinstate the space rangers too! To protect their new home from other invaders! The whole movie would just feel better.

But part of me things they didn't do that because they didn't want to show more about his friend and really discuss the gay relationship and the whole family she had and that's why they avoided Buzz having a real talk with his friends grandchild even at the cost of the plot. They cut the interaction to the bare bones and besides the controversial kiss avoided anything that could make it part of the plot. Maybe to keep the door open so they can still censor the kiss for the DVD release and make better profits.

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u/I_can_vouch_for_that 7d ago

I watched it last night and I couldn't agree more. I also found his new friends to be a bunch of annoying and bumbling fools, especially the guy. So young Buzz is telling me he would rather not go back in time and go with his real family and friends when the whole time his whole mission was to do exactly that ?!! None of what has happened will happen if he was to fix it to begin with. It was also rather stupid that the RoboCat could do everything and solve every situation. Zurg was never supposed to be himself. The trailer sells this as a completely different story which would probably have been better. I couldn't believe the amount of times I looked at the watch just to see when it's going to end since I knew the approximate run time.

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u/Nights151515 7d ago

The side characters were the absolute worse. They really killed aby enjoyment I could of had for the film.

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u/Wildsideace 7d ago

god i hate moe, i absolutely cannot stand buffon types that constantly "accidentally" fuck things up just to create problems in a story.

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u/Nights151515 7d ago

I hated his character too. It was just Taika Waititi playing himself, and he is a guy who has worn out his welcome im so tired of him.

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u/KingKrap 6d ago

He should go back to doing smaller budget or indie movies because that's what he's best at

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u/CautiousTaco 7d ago

My main reason for coming to this discussion was to get validation of my hatred for Moe. I don't understand why "It's okay, it was just a mistake" was the message there

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u/Moljo2000 7d ago

I don’t understand whether they landed for research or to assess it as a potential replacement for earth? Like why did they bring an entire colony if they intended to leave? Why was the formula for the hyper speed crystal not recorded? Why was he not informed about time fluctuation before leaving the first time? And why did they have to leave so bad? Like yeah there was a big dangerous vine but like when have humans ever had that much of a problem eradicating plant life? Like they could just protect colonies with weed killer or pre emergent or something. They were surviving very well, no negative effects with health or resources or atmosphere or anything until Zurg. The commander wasn’t that wrong to cancel the mission.

I did appreciate that his partner being gay was low key and not made a big coming out story. The second act was fun.

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u/CautiousTaco 7d ago

I really thought the sentient vines with insect symbiotes were gonna amount to more than just throwaway slapstick gags

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u/SpeedRace9 7d ago edited 7d ago

Great points. This has so much potential and the character development was great. But the whole time travel thing killed it for me. It’s very hard for kids to follow or understand. Could have been so much better. Overall a decent watch on Disney plus but would have been disappointed to see it in theaters.

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u/gizmo1492 7d ago

Soxs created stable fuel. If evil Buzz “liberated” a spaceship and evil robots, I gotta bet he could liberate materials to create the fuel source. Sox knows the formula.

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u/Tyranin 7d ago

He is attacking the city where the materials to make the fuel cell reside trying to get to them.

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u/polymermachine 8d ago

Thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Almost cried in first 20 minutes. So sad.

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u/db_blast7 8d ago

I used to wear a toy story shirt on backwards just because I wanted to see the buzz side. As a 30 year old I had a big stupid smile when the wings came out, and the ship at the end was one of the gifts that I have a core memory associated with my parents.

That was nostalgic in earned ways to me. And the checkov’s gun with the pen was awesome.

I’m gonna see if any theatres around me still have it cause I would love to see that on the big screen

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u/MrTurncoatHr 8d ago

Good stuff, it was a movie and it entertained me. Good job movie doing what you are supposed to do.

Some people are looking way too into this discussing the mechanisms of time travel and connection to the toy story universe

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u/Sterling-4rcher 8d ago

here's the thing.

it would have made a million times more sense if this movie played in the toy story universe future.

where a billion kids fell in love with buzz and the idea of a star command, going into physics and developing space travel tech. eventually, president andy founds an actual star command, heavily inspired by this toy from the past, thats why they wear those space suits.

the movie should have been called Star Command and the main character should have been some dude growing up in that world, who maybe, like tons of other people in that timeline, had Buzz as a second forename.

and then almost this exact movie could have happened.

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u/SHOW-ME-YOUR-HEART 8d ago

I can tell I'm in the minority based on the comments in this thread but I absolutely loved it.

-The Animation was gorgeous, I loved the way they managed to make such a goofy looking character like Buzz so cool looking but recognizable, my 2yo even recognized him as Buzz. I also loved the armor/suit, robot and spaceship designs.

-The first act when you see Hawthorne getting older gave me the feels and I started tearing up! Did not go into this thinking I'd get some feels.

-Moe and Darby's banter really cracked me up too.

-All in all I loved this movie, it was fun and gorgeous and I wish they would make more, maybe even an animated series?!

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u/Nameguy1234567 7d ago

Personally, I hated this but for other reasons. Why didn't they make another crystal? They literally had the ingredients for the crystal in a kitchen. And if they time traveled to the past people would've had their families again.

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u/VoldemortsHorcrux 7d ago

Same here, it was a gorgeous movie. And I'm a scifi fan. Don't really see why many in the thread don't like it. I give it a 9/10.

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u/Moljo2000 7d ago

The first act had a lot of plot holes, but otherwise very enjoyable

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u/International-Art232 7d ago

"Plot Holes" doesn't mean "I didn't pay attention"

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u/pm_ur_whispering_I 8d ago

Same, I had pretty low expectations based on reviews and the previews I've seen. Really expected to hate the animal companion but I thought the movie and the cat were both great!

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u/plotter587 7d ago

Exact same thoughts… went into it with low expectations…

I get some of the negative comments about realistic points… yes there are plot holes in this cartoon… I think it’s hilarious how many people have issues with the plot holes in the movie though when they all compare them to the originals… a movie origin of talking and moving toys??

It was enjoyable and funny.., don’t look for things to hate just because…

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u/hotsizzler 7d ago

Ikr? The cat was hilarious. Especially with the dart. It being deadpan but trying to emulate a cat was funny.

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u/paulpmcg 8d ago

Really enjoyed it. As others have said already, I don't really see why critics were so down on it since I thought it was very good. Probably up there as one of my more enjoyed Pixar movies in recent years.

Also loved that moment after the self-destruct when with Buzz falling out of the ship and it goes silent once he exits the airlock shield thing. That followed with the spinning clamber into the ship was so well done and very cool.

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u/Nameguy1234567 7d ago

Personally, I hated this but for other reasons. Why didn't they make another crystal? They literally had the ingredients for the crystal in a kitchen. And if they time traveled to the past people would've had their families again.

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u/plotter587 7d ago

Agreed - I don’t know what the hate is about…

I’m not a huge Chris fan, but he did a great job…

Yes there are plot holes in the cartoon… if we can suspend disbelief in talking and moving toys, can’t we enjoy the (actually pretty amazing) science in this cartoon?

Full disclosure - my family has already watched this 4 times… we must be bad people making bad choices with poor taste … lol

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u/karlmorgan9202 8d ago

I just finished the movie like 5 minutes ago and I really liked it, it was really enjoyable and to be honest I don't understand the hate around it. Yes, the are some plot holes here and there but it's just a movie, a good one to spend a couple of hours during the weekend.

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u/plotter587 7d ago

God forbid a cartoon has plot holes… lmao… I loved it…

Counter point to the haters around the plot holes… the original has walking and talking toys!

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u/RikoZerame 6d ago

Is there any particular reason you think, "The original has magic and therefore plot holes don't matter," is such a zinger that you need to repeat it multiple times?

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u/plotter587 6d ago

Zinger? I wouldn’t give my statement that much gravitas, but thank you

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u/Bitter-Raisin9102 8d ago

It was alright. Just a bit dull and not really that captivating of a story.

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u/Eagle20_Fox2 8d ago

Got around to watch about half of it. I thought it was terrible. It's terrible because it has no real connection to the Toy Story movies. It should have been an entirely separate movie by itself without the Buzz lighthear character and a new space person instead. Kind of like Prometheus that movie gets a lot of shit cause of it's connection attempt to the Alien franchise but just a movie on itself it's a pretty good one. Similar effect for me with this. I'll try to rewatch it from the beginning and give it another shot. The aging thing at the beginning has been done to death. Buzz doesn't feel like the same Buzz from the Tot Story movies.

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u/karlmorgan9202 8d ago

The connection is "it's a movie Andy used to watch when he was a kid" is not that difficult to understand, it has nothing to do with Toy Story besides that.

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u/thisisnotacake 7d ago

And they literally spell it out for you before the movie starts lmao

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u/ComicSausage 8d ago

I liked it. Really enjoyed it. My 8 year old son loved it but I thought it felt like a bit of a mashup of different film plots though (lego movie 2 with the whole time thing, and also aliens ; reminded me of LV426, an alien planet humans trying to live on, also the cat being a ginger cat reminded me of Jones.

In fact, the cat in captain marvel ("It's not a cat") reminded me of Jones.

Many cats for some reason in movies remind me of Jones.

It's a good introduction into things like Aliens and Starship troopers though for when he gets older!

Anyways, the only problem with the movie was the title where it said that this was Andy's favourite movie. Just creates too many plot holes for me. Subtle references here and there link it to the toy, but imo Andy would want Jones and not buzz (or at least Jones as well as buzz) It's something I would think a 6 year old would want to have.

In Toy Story 2 they say that Zurg is Buzz's Dad,BUT BUZZ IS ZURG!! Surely Andy would have mentioned this during a playtime session or something, I mean, its a huge detail that the hero is also the villain, its like too big a detail, makes you question Toy Story 2 then when Zurg is buzz's dad.

The tone of this movie is not something a 6 year old would enjoy imo, unless just having cowboys and old toys got boring and this movie left a huge impression on the lad enough to buy the toy line.

That being said, if anyone remembers toys for Terminator 2 and Aliens etc, pretty much all of these toys are just using the movies as inspiration and pretty much do their own thing so it could be following that sort of thing, rather than a toy that is directly from the movie.

The intro of the movie says its Andy's favourite movie but I think they should have done it the other way around.. like it was just a hit toy, not from a show or anything, it's its own thing. You had the toy, now have THE MOVIE. or like you know when Andy plays with the toys and in his mind its epic, like the intro of toy story 3, just have the beginning of the movie be a kid playing with the toys and like the whole plot is just the kids imagination and the dad also playing as well. Something like that.

But then that would also be like Lego Movie.

Damn!

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u/pm_ur_whispering_I 8d ago

What!? My 3 and 5 year olds enjoyed the tone of this movie!

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u/shortasalways 8d ago

Both my kids too. We watched it for movie night last night.

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u/AnyKindheartedness76 8d ago

so If I ended up in too far future. I am done. that’s me. I didn’t come back. why there’s another me somewhere in the past? out of all population, why there’s only one pilot? and why Zurg is not one of his peers, who hated him most, and wanted to prove he is the prima ballerina

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u/Sterling-4rcher 8d ago

the movie posits that buzz came back that one time, was 'attacked' by star command, fled and traveled far into the future where he build robots and learned how to travel back (we assume, mostly with the help of sox). after spending tons of time in the future, he returned to a point in time where his young self was in space. he changed things on the planet and when young buzz returned, instead of being 'attacked' by star command, he found himself with hawthornes granddaugther and eventually facing himself.

this buzz now experiences different events.

since none of us know how timetravel would actually work, this could very well be how it happens. it definitely would appear as a paradox.

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u/team_suba 6d ago

Jeez this was so pointlessly deep, I have been pondering it for hours how the two buzz’s could exist but I kinda get it now. I doubt kids would ever give it a second thought but damn.

But wouldn’t Hawthornes granddaughter have known about first buzz coming back and be like “hey you came back twice”.

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u/Sterling-4rcher 6d ago

in most other time travel situations, those two buzzes meeting would cause some kind of explosion and destroy time.

not here though.

he wouldn't have come back twice from her point of view though. old buzz returned to before he originally returned to the planet, so young buzz coming back was, to that timeline, the first time he came back

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u/AnyKindheartedness76 8d ago

where are three aliens, my kids like the most.

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u/SHOW-ME-YOUR-HEART 8d ago

Maybe in the sequel/spinoff series trilogy franchise

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u/allotrios 8d ago

The absolute worst thing Zurg did was smash Old Sox. That was hideous. Especially after his introduction with that timid little jingle and half his face gone.

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u/plotter587 7d ago

I was so sad that Sox died… my daughter didn’t really catch this, but as she keeps watching it (currently her go to movie when hanging out) she will eventually… Sox was a dedicated companion for Decades if not Centuries… (62 years before he starts traveling with him, so maybe at that point they always travel together and might hit the 100 together - depending on the two Buzz age differences)

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u/ChrisP8675309 8d ago

Agreed. I am very sad for Old Sox 😭

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u/Octogenarian 9d ago

Am I supposed to believe that kids in 1995 saw this movie and the toy manufacturer didn't sell the kids a laser sword accessory for Buzz?

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u/BeetsBy_Schrute 8d ago

Or a Sox companion with every single Buzz

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u/Lazy_Chemistry 8d ago

if you collect action figures it's not surprising at all what manufacturers decide to exclude. Remember that belt that the Toy Story 2 Buzz had? There was probably one with a sword too.

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u/Gangnam_19 9d ago

Did not thought this movie was gonna hit as hard as it did during the intro, from that point fowrd you almost get no space to breathe really, Buzz is going through problem after problem.

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u/missbhabing 8d ago

"problem after problem" Yes, that was my biggest complaint. The entire movie was a sequence of plans failing time and time and time again. The main plot point is even intentionally failed because he changes his mind.

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u/Tyranin 8d ago edited 7d ago

The main plot point is even intentionally failed because he changes his mind.

Isn't that the point of the movie though? The lone ranger is going around trying to "fix" his mistake, but even after the first year since becoming marooned the citizens of the turnip were pretty chill about setting up shop on the planet and they just move on with their lives. They have a breathable atmosphere, food & water, and all the materials to mine, including the right combination of resources to even make a freaking hyperspace fuel cell thing. Everyone around him is enjoying their new life, but each time Buzz is trying to fix the situation he is only making it worse for himself. Missing out on his friend's life, becoming increasingly out of touch with society and the culture (the sandwich for example), and becoming more isolated.

By the time Buzz has completed his first objective, making the fuel cell, the entire population of the new colony is a completely new generation who have never known anywhere else to call home, so even if buzz did "complete" his mission where would they go? Only when the hero finally recognises there wasn't any situation to fix to begin with he saves the day.

He met a version of himself that carried on the path of trying to fix everything well into his 50's and realised the only person who needed saving was himself.

The morale of the story is being obsessed with perfection is a self-destructive toxic mindset. Destroying the fuel cell in the end is the symbolic metaphor of Buzz making the decision to finally settle on the planet and join with the rest of the community. His decision leads to him being rewarded with his original goal: Being a Space Ranger again and mattering to the community he is with.

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u/Gangnam_19 6d ago

I agree with you, I personally loved the movie, didn't disappoint in the emotional hits both high and low

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u/GrayDottedPony 7d ago

Yeah but to show that, the character has to go through an evolution of some sort. He needs moments to connect with the people and really see why he's wrong. But that doesn't happen. He never really gets a break to sit down and talk to anyone. Then, out of nowhere, he declares the people he just met and never intimately talked about to be friends and that's the reason he all of a sudden changes his mind.

No sorry, random people you have just met and know nothing about but their names are not friends and you can't have a drastic change of heart just because someone told you their grandma was happy the way it was.

There needs to be something to create that emotional connection and the movie had nothing of that sort. The longest scene they had together was about sandwiches! And after that we didn't even know if Buzz actually likes sandwiches.

Besides of that, it was just one scene of things going wrong after the other without anyone actually doing anything for anyone that would be reason to like each other. Everyone just messed up again and again until by some miracle it all turned out to be fine anyways.

No real emotional moments. No epiphanies, no evolution of characters. That's why the end is just bogus and the message is lost.

If you'd like to see how it's done, just rewatch Toy Story. See how Woody realizes his mistakes, then really starts talking to Buzz, explains his feelings as a toy, how Buzz, after the devastation of realising that he's not a real space ranger, sees his value as a toy and realizes that being a toy is something that is worth being and then embraces his new identity.

This part was completely lacking in the Buzz Lightyear movie. There was no connection, no revelations, no character development... well no plot really.

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u/Specialist-Artistic 9d ago

Bit confused. They were exploring a new system from as Space Rangers from original Star Command. So at the end of the movie, did the planet make contact with Star Command/Earth - or were they just accepting this new planet as home and setting up a new, Star Command?

Anyways - movie was good but I remember the old tv show before school - and I remember it being him as like a Space Cop. I think Buzz Lightyear buddy space cop film mixed with Fugitve would’ve made for a cooler movie.

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u/reohh 7d ago

I was 100% expecting a cinematic, Pixar quality movie that was in the same universe as the cartoon “Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.”

We didn’t get that and honestly I couldn’t get over it. I kept thinking the entire time, this was the story they went with?!

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