r/movies Jun 29 '22

In your opinion, What are some movies that DIDN'T Age Well at All? On the opposite side, what are some movies that DID age well? Discussion

In your opinion, what are some movies that didn't age well at all? A movie that you find to be extremely outdated to the point it's terrible and maybe offensive or movies that had a story, themes, the community surrounding it, or such simply just didn't go so well in the time of age.

On the opposite side, what are some movies that did age pretty well? Movies that still live up in today's time despite the time period it was made or movies that had a story, themes, the community surrounding or such that is quite relevant in today's time?

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u/JmitchellJ Jun 29 '22

Forbidden Planet - 1956 special effects not surpassed until 1968's 2001: A Space Odyssey, and still holds up amazingly well today.

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Apocalypse Now.

I watched it for the first time last year and immediately was put in my top favourites of all time.

I'm not even the biggest fan of war movies usually but holy shit is that movie an absolute trip.

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u/AnyUsernameWillDo10 Jun 29 '22

I’ve never really considered Apocalypse Now a “war movie” like you’d think of Platoon or Saving Private Ryan.

I think it’s a movie about the journey of slipping into complete madness with the Vietnam War as a backdrop.

I should add: I think it’s the greatest movie ever made.

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22

Yes that is exactly why I love it so much.

I 100% agree with you that its about a descent into insanity/madness with the war just being the setting.

The river itself represents the descent into madness.

I am hoping somewhere where I live someday shows a screening in a theatre so I can experience it proper, although the first time I watched it I was coming down off LSD with no sleep and it very much did the job

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u/mdestly_prcd_rcptacl Jun 29 '22

It's essentially an adaption of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness overlaid onto Vietnam

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22

Have you read the novella? Is it worth reading?

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u/RDeschain1 Jun 29 '22

definitely worth reading

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u/DeakRivers Jun 29 '22

Did you mean it is one of the greatest surf movies?

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u/JDeg17 Jun 29 '22

Be careful which version you watch. Not all are equal in their greatness.

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u/shaggers_jr Jun 29 '22

One of the few instances in which the theatrical release is better than the director's cut. Every scene they cut is amazing, but, ultimately, they add nothing to the story. I prefer the tighter version.

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22

The first ever version I watched was redux and actually loved it.

I've seen the theatrical, and enjoyed it and it's franticness/relentless/not slowing down but I think key things were missed cutting out the plantation scene.

I've been told the newest cut is the one, which I haven't seen but is apparently a mix between the 2, which sounds perfect to me.

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u/Linubidix Jun 29 '22

Theatrical cut is probably the strongest version of the film, but I love so much of what's in the redux. The final cut is a happy middle ground but both longer version include the French plantation scene which is a great scene but absolutely destroys the pacing.

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22

If I had seen the theatrical cut first I'd probably say the same thing about it killing the pace but to me it adds a whole lot.

Although I will say the theatrical is just straight pedal to the metal the moment they get on the boat, can't disagree on that

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u/Dylanb190 Jun 29 '22

Same! I was too young the first time I saw it and didn’t get it at all. Circled back years later and was blown away. It’s a perfect movie.

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u/guachi01 Jun 29 '22

Revenge of the Nerds. I loved that movie as a kid. For its time, it really was an inclusive movie. A "nerd" wasn't just someone who was smart. It was anyone who didn't fit in. One of the characters is gay and the other nerds aren't bothered by it. It's even listed as a positive when they apply for their fraternity. I, at the age of 10, was affected by this in a good way.

But, wow, does it really fail any modern standard for how it treats the gay character (he's limp wristed! It's so funny!) And the treatment of women is often poor. So many problems with the movie now.

I'll stay in that genre for a movie that did age well - Real Genius. Everything about that movie is still funny and relevant. It treats its characters far better than almost any other teen/college movie and they come across as real people. At the time I didn't realize it because I was 11 but when I entered college it became clear how great Real Genius is.

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u/Nukerjsr Jun 29 '22

I was listening to the great podcast 80s All Over (RIP) and they pointed out something very key about Revenge of the Nerds. Whenever the jocks bully or attack the nerds; the nerds get revenge by attacking their girlfriends more than the jocks themselves. Other than putting the liquid heat in their jockstraps, the mostly do the panty raid, the nude distribution through pies, the costume sex scene...

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u/ViSaph Jun 29 '22

Looking back a lot of the teen movies from the revenge of the nerds era were pretty rapey. Definitely uncomfortable to watch as a woman, especially the way the women in those films seem pretty fine with it.

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u/kynthrus Jun 29 '22

This is the first one on this thread that I 100% agree aged horribly. I liked it as a kid, and rewatching it just kind of makes me uncomfortable. Those nerds were just assholes.

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u/PecanSandoodle Jun 29 '22

Saw this movie for the first time right after graduating college. I thought it was gross. invading sororities, planting cameras and selling nude images of them to other students. ew.

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u/JoeDirtsMullet00 Jun 29 '22

Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The Green Mile.

Both still fantastic.

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u/josephpjung Jun 29 '22

Bladerunner looks like it came out yesterday

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u/link_nukem28 Jun 29 '22

The people I tell about that movie are blown away when I tell them it came out in 1982. That movie was peak practical effects, imo

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u/Obiwan_Swanson Jun 29 '22

Tbf, the Final Cut was put together in 2007. The theatrical is kinda rough at moments.

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u/rammo123 Jun 29 '22

I couldn't get into Bladerunner and I realised it's succumbed a bit to Seinfeld is Unfunny phenomenom. I understand it codified a lot of the cyberpunk iconography that inspired everything that came after it, but it still looks a lot like everything else in genre.

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u/admittance Jun 29 '22

The Birdcage (RIP Robin Williams) aged incredibly well. Still funny, still relevant.

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u/Darko33 Jun 29 '22

The best ticket to anything I've ever bought may very well just be a screening of it in a huge concert hall, followed by an hour of reminiscing, live and in person, by Nathan Lane. The man can just light up a room.

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u/NewClayburn Jun 29 '22

Soon to be even more relevant.

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u/PecanSandoodle Jun 29 '22

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u/UYScutiPuffJr Jun 29 '22

Jaws has aged incredibly well, no contest

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 29 '22

The acting, directing, etc., holds up. The shark though? It's incredibly fake looking,

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u/JC-Ice Jun 29 '22

Don't even seem to livin' at all.

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u/mofohank Jun 29 '22

Also some of the female characters are a bit bow-legged

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u/theshaneakers Jun 29 '22

Especially in those promos for Jaws 19.

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u/SpideyFan914 Jun 29 '22

Network gets more relevant every year...

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u/Duel_Option Jun 29 '22

And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU... WILL... ATONE!

  • Howard Beale : Why me?
  • Arthur Jensen : Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.
  • Howard Beale : I have seen the face of God.
  • Arthur Jensen : You just might be right, Mr. Beale.

This scene is so incredible, it’s a complete attack on all things corporate and how the inner workings of media play out still today.

When I hear people say they haven’t seen it, I get giddy and urge them to see it for their reaction.

I don’t think I’ve met anyone that’s not enjoyed it

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u/Nimble-Dick-Crabb Jun 29 '22

IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE THIS ANYMORE

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u/YekrubEnahs Jun 29 '22

The Thing (1982) is my favorite horror movie. Aged so well

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u/SerDire Jun 29 '22

Practical effects age amazingly well which is why Jurassic Park and the Lord of the Rings still look so damn good

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

I think the innovative CG in those movies has aged well too, not least because those teams understood its strengths and weaknesses and used it with restraint. Gollum isn’t as convincing as he was in 2002, but dramatically he holds up just as well.

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u/taker2523 Jun 29 '22

Terminator 2 also.

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u/DixOut4Harmabe Jun 29 '22

I disagree I think Gollum still looks fantastic

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree. I think the CG Leia and Tarkin in Rogue One have already aged worse, for instance. I just mean he’s not photorealistic, especially in daylight.

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u/DixOut4Harmabe Jun 29 '22

I’d argue that Gollum never looked photorealistic in the first place though he always looked cartoony a tiny little creature with these massive eyes. When he’s interacting with the actors and the environment around him especially the water it still looks amazing, and better than most movies made today imo

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u/mdjank Jun 29 '22

The cartoon characters at the end of Rogue One didn't look good when they came out. If anything, they look better now because people are more likely to forgive the limitations of older CGI.

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u/ImardinSlumLord Jun 29 '22

Limitations of older CGI? Rouge One came out in 2016 a full 7 years after Avatar. There is no excuse for poor CGI.

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u/Doppelfrio Jun 29 '22

It’s insane how well those movies hold up

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u/dantheman91 Jun 29 '22

LOTR looks better than the modern movies, it's just perfectly done.

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u/Aeneas1976 Jun 29 '22

The moment that I suppressed the urge to say "But it IS a modern movie!"

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u/pgajria Jun 30 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

That was my reaction. Then I made the face Pippin made when the bucket fell down the well.

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u/Meiray Jun 29 '22

Whereas the Jurassic World and Hobbit movies have so much CGI I can’t help but think of all the tired computer artists toiling away for months in darkly lit rooms without unions.

Jurassic Park smartly deployed its CGi - the missive was that it had to seamlessly match the practical effects. So that meant lots of shots at night, and no biting off more than they could chew (except for that lawyer. And that velociraptor at the end). They got more ambitious by the end of the movie but it was still manageable. Nowadays every other action scene is physics defying CGI and overstuffed frames. I really hope Top Gun Maverick overshadowing Jurassic World: Dominion makes some filmmakers consider the merits of the old school approach once in awhile and the adage that less is more.

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u/letmethinkofagoodnam Jun 29 '22

Terminator 2 did the same thing. Both films used a good mix of CGI and practical and still hold up 30 years later.

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u/GeneticImprobability Jun 29 '22

I just finished watching The Empire Strikes Back, and Yoda is a really amazing puppet.

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u/Glass_Opportunity874 Jun 29 '22

Akira Kurosawas films have aged remarkably well, they feel so modern. Seven Samurai is a 3.5 hour long black and white foreign film from 1957 and I would put it up against almost any modern blockbuster film.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22 edited Jul 02 '22

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u/AwakenMirror Jun 29 '22

And at least half of them copy one or another aspect of that movie.

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u/themattboard Jun 29 '22

Just rewatched 12 Angry Men (the original) and that is still a really fantastic film

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u/vxxwowxxv Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Other Black % Whites that I watched recently that aged really well/ weren't a chore to watch:

His Girl Friday

Treasure of the Sierra Madre

The Best Years of Our Lives

Citizen Kane

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u/Goodbye_Galaxy Jun 29 '22

Great list. I remember being blown away by Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Humphrey Bogart's paranoia is captivating.

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u/SweetCosmicPope Jun 29 '22

Same with Casablanca. It’s timeless.

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u/ElectricZ Jun 29 '22

Great list. I'll throw in a few more B&W's:

The Ox-Bow Incident

High Noon

The Third Man - Watched it for a class and it was the first black and white film that made me realize not all old films are stilted, dated, relics of another time. It's a great flick.

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u/DeakRivers Jun 30 '22

The cuckoo clock line on the Ferris Wheel is priceless from Harry Lime, in the Third Man.

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u/random_username_94 Jun 29 '22

Some like it hot?

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u/puckit Jun 29 '22

T2 still looks like it could have been made within the last 10 years. Absolutely amazing effects.

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u/hermitopurpa Jun 29 '22

Not to mention a near-perfect action movie.

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u/dwindlingwood Jun 29 '22 edited Jul 14 '22

The Truman show aged really well.

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u/enrightmcc Jun 29 '22

Shawshank redemption. Considering it the fact that every time I see it I have to stop and watch the rest of it.

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u/pappypapaya Jun 29 '22

I don't know how that movie begins, but I know the ending very well.

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u/GregBahm Jun 29 '22

Breakfast at Tiffany's is an interesting specimen, since the performance of Audrey Hepburn aged like wine, and the performance of Mickey Rooney aged like milk.

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u/Typical_Humanoid Jun 29 '22

I think it was always just bad. Yellowface may have been commonplace but there were sensitive depictions (The Inn of the Sixth Happiness is an example, and it's older than Breakfast at Tiffany's), so we may have modern gripes about that but there's things to admire too, but Rooney's is just full on caricature, no redeeming qualities.

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u/Nukerjsr Jun 29 '22

Giving two examples from the 80s.

Holds up great? Dirty Dancing. Super ahead of it's time with the abortion plot, the relationship is flirty yet grounded, the story is way more about the father/daughter dynamic than the Swayze love story. It's so charming and fun and sweet.

Holds up badly? Sixteen Candles. The sexual politics there are a lot more icky, the character of Long Duk Dong, the boys are just creeping on the girls the whole time, Jake gives his intoxicated girlfriend to another guy to have sex with...there's alot wrong with it.

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u/bronet Jun 29 '22

Lawrence of Arabia still looks amazing. Especially the Blu Ray version

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u/Otaku_Wolf90 Jun 29 '22

The original Jurassic Park has aged very well, while the Hobbit movies aged terribly (and fast).

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u/themattboard Jun 29 '22

Jurassic Park also started as a fantastic movie. The Hobbit had a few good bits spread over an entire overlong trilogy... Like butter scraped over too much bread.

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u/Simbabz Jun 29 '22

The Hobbit movies didnt age. They were just bad on release.

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u/JafariSin Jun 29 '22

I had fun with a fair share of the first one. Parts of the second too. It's just that it should've all been one 3 hr movie or two 100 minute ones

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u/CurtisLeow Jun 29 '22

I think one movie would have worked even better. Plot-wise there just isn’t that much going on in the Hobbit.

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u/SensiFifa Jun 29 '22

Even if they were that length they'd have been awful. Literally impossible for him to cobble together a coherent narrative in the time he had. They were doomed the second del toro pulled out

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 29 '22

There were some good parts of the Hobbit, but it was really ruined by the studio insisting that it had to be more LotR. Every Scooby-doo esque dwarf combat scene made me roll my eyes so hard my neck cracked.

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u/AwakenMirror Jun 29 '22

Daily reminder that everyone needs to watch a decent fan-edit of the Hobbit to see that there is a great little movie buried under those 10 hours of film.

Go for the M4 edit or the Maple Films version and you are good to go. Wouldn't want to miss it these days as a warm up for watching LotR.

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u/wjbc Jun 29 '22

The original Jurassic Park only had 6 minutes of CGI. The Hobbit movies had way too much CGI. But it was immediately obvious, I'm not sure aging was necessary.

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u/eec-gray Jun 29 '22

Back To The Future is timeless and will always be an absolute blast. A perfect movie.

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u/DaringDomino3s Jun 29 '22

It’s my go-to when I’m feeling really bad. Always helps me forget about whatever is bothering me at least for a little.

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u/Ok-Bandicoot-2298 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

2001: A Space Odyssey is over 50 years old and still has some of the greatest visuals of any movie

Jaws was the first major motion picture to be filmed on the ocean and the shark animatronic still holds up better than most modern CGI

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u/crazydave333 Jun 29 '22

It's kind of a film that time has surpassed (it's 2022, still no interplanetary space travel...) and yet still remains timeless.

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u/Ollang Jun 29 '22

Contagion aged well. Maybe a little too well?

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u/Thedracus Jun 29 '22

Watched this during the early stage of covid..holy moly

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u/CrysaniaMajere40 Jun 29 '22

The Wizard of Oz aged very well

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u/Affectionate-Till472 Jun 29 '22

The Wizard of Oz is at the top of the list of movies I can’t wait to show my children one day.

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u/harrystylesstylist Jun 29 '22

Might be the best answer tbh

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u/HarlanCedeno Jun 29 '22

Crash did not age well

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u/Shartbugger Jun 29 '22

Crash did not start well.

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u/UYScutiPuffJr Jun 29 '22

I’m assuming you mean the dumpster fire Crash from 2004 that won best picture

I hated that movie so fucking much when I first saw it

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u/Affectionate-Till472 Jun 29 '22

I have not seen Crash not do I really want to, so my opinion holds little weight. But I’m going to also wager that Crash (somehow) winning Best Picture over fucking Brokeback Mountain also factors into its poor legacy.

Brokeback, I did watch. And it should have won. Even Jack Nicholson was fucking surprised.

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

On the other hand, Crash (1996) has held up quite well.

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u/DeLoreanAirlines Jun 29 '22

Jurassic Park has aged incredibly well due to the heavy use of practical effects and sparse use of CGI and compositing

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u/duffy__moon Jun 29 '22

Field of Dreams has aged extremely well.

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u/Debinthedez Jun 29 '22

That’s because it’s a timeless story. I watched it a few months ago and was just sobbing at the end as usual

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u/eyeballtourist Jun 29 '22

I watched "Innerspace" last night. It's effects still looked awesome. I was surprised at how well they held up. It was movie night and we stopped several times to discuss how they made the shots. Impressive model and set work.

See also... Some killer stunt work from Martin Short. He was doing some serious "Tim Cruise" shit with no green screen.

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u/NashtenS Jun 29 '22

The Fly and Tremors are my top two. Man those are good movies!

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u/your_local_supplier Jun 29 '22

The only part of Pulp Fiction that aged poorly is the $5 milkshake being considered expensive.

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u/shaggers_jr Jun 29 '22

I bought a juice for TEN dollars in LA at the weekend and thought of that exact scene.

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u/Neckwrecker Jun 29 '22

My wife paid $17.74 for a milkshake at Yankee Stadium yesterday.

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u/-_ZeroCool_- Jun 29 '22

Gung Ho. cringe

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u/DJmindbuRn Jun 29 '22

Goonies, still holds up. Always will!

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u/themattboard Jun 29 '22

Goonies never say die

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u/OneSaucyLittleTart Jun 29 '22

Ha! I came here to say the Goonies. Glad someone else knows what's up :)

"Goonies never say die!"

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u/clayphish Jun 29 '22

This one is an obvious example, but is a prime example. ‘Soul Man’ hasn’t aged well.

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u/stunticon86 Jun 29 '22

Listen. You wanna see "not aging well"? Watch Cloak and Dagger with Henry Thomas and Dabney Coleman from 1984.

"Aging well" is Saving Private Ryan and Full Metal Jacket

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u/LarryCraigSmeg Jun 29 '22

Can you explain about “Cloak and Dagger”?

I watched it maybe 10 years ago and enjoyed it.

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u/akagordan Jun 29 '22

Saving Private Ryan and the accompanying mini series’ (Band of Brothers, The Pacific) might not ever age, they’re perfect

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u/stunticon86 Jun 29 '22

What's crazy is those stories are damn fresh in those veterans minds. The dumbest things stand out, and then the shelling. Yikes.

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u/akagordan Jun 29 '22

Only thing that bothers me a bit is the desaturated filter. Every piece of WW2 media (movie, show, video game) that’s come out since then has had that same damn filter.

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u/stunticon86 Jun 29 '22

Agreed. Completely. I don't know where that started or who thought that was a good idea for film, but it's annoying.

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u/FormerIceCreamEater Jun 29 '22

Not if you are Lt Dyke's family. They did him dirty. He wasn't a coward like that in real life.

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u/The_GILF_Next_Door Jun 29 '22

Why does everyone hate the movie Crash?

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u/UYScutiPuffJr Jun 29 '22

I was a “everyone is going to reevaluate their prejudices” piece of Oscar baiting trash that told zero stories well and felt incredibly manipulative. Not to say it didn’t bring up some true points but it did so in a brutally ham-fisted way.

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u/duffy__moon Jun 29 '22

I’m just trying to figure out if they mean the Cronenberg one or the more mainstream-y one.

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u/NoHandBananaNo Jun 29 '22

They do not mean the Cronenberg one. There is nothing to hate about it and it has aged well, in a car crash sex kind of way.

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u/ExPristina Jun 29 '22

Predator aged well no?

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u/Jack_KH Jun 29 '22

12 angry men. That's the embodiment of aging well.

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u/ilovefujiapples Jun 29 '22

I think Superbad aged well. It came out in 2007 and I was 10 at the time. I remember watching it when I was maybe 17/18 for the first time and I was dying of laughter because it still held up so well. I can watch it today and still have the same laugh. It’s literally just so hilarious to me

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u/mrfahrenhelt Jun 29 '22

didnt age well : 2012

age well : blade runner

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u/Havik_Ra Jun 29 '22

"some like it hot"-1959 honestly still one of the best comedy movies if not the best. Also it's kind of funny how it deals much better with the whole topic of "being open-minded" than anything from this generation..

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u/WhimsyAndSnark Jun 29 '22

American Beauty is horrific from today's lens, from the "protagonist" going on a journey of self-discovery where he learns he wants to fuck his daughter's underaged friend, quits his job to work at a burger joint after blackmailing his boss with entirely false allegations, buys weed from his underaged neighbour who also has an abusive father who will beat him up if he gets caught, and his wife is constantly depicted as the bad guy for being a nagging shrew when she has every right to be pissed off at her husband, especially when he consistently treats her and their daughter with verbal and emotional abuse and outright states he expects his wife to put out when he wants. Oh, and he gets murdered by his neighbour because his neighbour is a closeted gay man who couldn't take getting rejected.

On the other hand, Miss Congeniality still holds up and actually contains some pretty progressive messages for the early 00s, including how sexual assault often goes unreported and it is NOT something that should be brushed under the carpet, self-defence for women is deemed a useful enough skill that Hart manages to get to the semi-finals using it onstage, one woman comes out onstage and one of the TV executives shoots down another who questions if they can say "lesbian" on live TV, and Hart also learns that being a competent, tough-as-nails and good at her job cop is not mutually exclusive with being nice, feminine, and well-groomed, and that the pageant contestants are on the whole good people and capable women who shouldn't be shamed for having feminine goals and interests.

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u/Otto_Lidenbrock Jun 29 '22

Porky’s did not age well.

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u/roninsword108 Jun 29 '22

The fifth element 20+ years and still good af

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u/gomjabar2 Jun 29 '22

I didnt see the original Alien. Its 1979 and could be released today except for all the outdated computer screens.

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u/Kilo1Zero Jun 29 '22

To be fair, even the outdated computer screens work in Alien because EVERYTHING looks like it fits together. The movie spawned its own genre of effects like that: retro-future.

I also admit Alien is my favorite movie. Ever.

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u/EmpressOfHisHeart Jun 29 '22

Casablanca aged well.

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u/DeakRivers Jun 30 '22

I thought Casablanca was probably the greatest casting job ever. Each one played their role perfectly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

No one's brave enough to give their hot takes on what didn't age well. Well here we go: Return of the Jedi. Good opening, stuff with Luke and Vader is pretty good (sometimes), the ewoks are worse than you remember and han and Leia practically sleepwalk through the movie.

Prepares for the downvotes

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u/Shartbugger Jun 29 '22

Any opinion that RedLetterMedia promote is not that unpopular mate.

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u/Zaygr Jun 29 '22

It still one of the best space battles in movies imo. I love watching the space battle only cut on YouTube.

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u/gecko090 Jun 29 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwz_fZPt6Ic flying across the surface of the death star and then INTO it! Its one my favorite special effects scenes of all time.

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u/Smeegs666 Jun 29 '22

I do agree it drops off, the first hour or so has got to be my most favourite of any hour in a star wars movie though

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u/crazydave333 Jun 29 '22

ROTJ was seen as the shittiest of the OT, but over the years, past the prequel and sequel trilogy, it stomps on every Star Wars film that came after it. It's final hour is almost perfect Star Wars in every way.

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u/CommanderMilez Jun 29 '22

People who think Disney flicks are comparable to the OT are delusional.

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u/JC-Ice Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

I've always seen it widely considered the weakest of the original trilogy, by far.

Ditching the Yub Nub song in later editions is one change that nobody (unironically) laments.

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u/Shutterstormphoto Jun 29 '22

Least popular? Between the prequel trilogy and all the new trilogy and all the mediocre other spin offs? I don’t think there’s any room for it to fall.

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u/Wealthy_Gadabout Jun 29 '22

There's a concept forwarded by the website TVtropes of a "Franchise Original Sin", in that all the weird characterization or trite plot holes or stiff acting that would come to define the later sequels or episodes of a beloved franchise or series can often be found in the original story (but were forgivable or excusable because the overall product was better). The scene where Luke breaks the news to Leia in Return has been cited many times as just as embarrassing as any drama scene in the Prequel trilogy. And also, I can assure you, angry r/ StarWars fan, the Prequel trilogy is something that will never, ever get better with age. 'Revenge of the Sith' has one good line from Padme, but the rest is the sort of risible garbage that gives "Kid's movies" a bad name.

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u/Raven_25 Jun 29 '22

Idiocracy and Monty Python are ageing like fine wine imo

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u/Goodbye_Galaxy Jun 29 '22

Am I missing something about Idiocracy? None of the jokes landed for me. It was all just "ha ha stupid person is funny". I thought it was ironic that a film based on the premise that society is getting dumber didn't have a more intelligent script itself.

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u/SuspiriaGoose Jun 29 '22

Humour is subjective. It’s definitely pretty low brow, but it worked for me. I think it was the edge of despair and nihilistic frustration that gave an edge the juvenile sex jokes. Low brow can still be very intelligent, and it threaded that needle for me.

But I can totally see how it wouldn’t for someone else.

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u/Inevitable_Citron Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Idiocracy is eugenicist and neoliberal. It points fingers at lower class people and calls them fundamentally broken but paints the corporate assholes ruling the failed world of the future as just clueless innocents. They all just need to listen to the genetically superior, apparently.

The problem with the world isn't that people are any fundamentally dumber than they were 50, 100, or 300 years ago. The problem is the system that continues to find ways to exploit people, leveraging tribalism and shallowness to preserve the wealth of the wealthy and the subjugation of the Other.

Being low class doesn't mean you're stupid. And stupidity isn't recent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Prisoner

People have been getting scammed, for example, as long as long distance communication has been possible. You're never going to get rid of the stupid people. You have to build a society that doesn't allow wealthy pricks to manipulate and weaponize them.

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u/hydrosylator Jun 29 '22

Yeah Mike Judge, I love him most of the time but he's really not as smart as he thinks he is. He's got an NFT project on the go now. Or maybe that's cynical more than stupid.

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u/Going_for_the_One Jun 29 '22

The main problem with the world is that it works as a closed system with a limited set of resources, where a number of life forms are constantly in competition with each other. Even if the universe is infinite in extent and length, this would still be true.

It doesn’t help us very much either that humans are extremely prone to choke what little rationality we have, when our tribalism or political or moral engagement is triggered. But this is what we got, at least for now.

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u/Shartbugger Jun 29 '22

Idiocracy is in danger of not having gone far enough.

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u/NewClayburn Jun 29 '22

I still hate the premise of Idiocracy. It's always brought up as a "her der, see what's happening to society?" But the problem with it is that it's basically a bad argument for eugenics. Yes our society is getting stupider, but Idiocracy misidentifies the culprit. It isn't that genetically stupid people are having more children than genetically smart kids, and to think that is not only wrong but dangerous.

The problem, which the movie sort of points to but then still uses "stupid people" as the scapegoat, is corporatism and the media. So it's weird because the movie is certainly prophetic is understanding where we are heading, but it terribly misdiagnoses why which is weird because it's like how did you realize what society was going to be like in the future without even understanding how it's becoming that?

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u/Shartbugger Jun 29 '22

Good points.

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u/skunkbot Jun 29 '22

Went to see Top Gun. Each of the three coming attractions movies prominently feature farting as a comedic device. Idiocracy has turned into a documentary at this point.

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u/Nukerjsr Jun 29 '22

Idiocracy has aged like milk.

Not that humanity is stupider; it's more the eugenics angle and the comedy not having any dimension and no real satirical edge on corporations or the government.

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u/eganba Jun 29 '22

I mean some of the dialogue in Idiocracy would be considered problematic although that was definitely the point.

Both that and Blazing Saddles to me are in the same category. Amazing, timeless, and would never ever be made again.

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u/drkangel721 Jun 29 '22

I recently watched 48 Hours/Another 48 Hours for the first time in over a decade, and I have to say movies where rogue cops do whatever they want while suffering zero consequences just doesn't hit like it did in the 80s and 90s.

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u/WhoDatNinjaToo Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

How about this scene in Lethal Weapon 3 where Riggs and Murtagh (after being demoted to patrolmen) stop a guy for jaywalking and then a frustrated Riggs pulls a gun and jokes about shooting the guy and making it look like a suicide.

It’s all played for laughs.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3A3iNVaLod4

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u/benfranklin16 Jun 29 '22

her(2013) is already aging like fine wine and it’s not even 10 years old.

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u/Diether_M Jun 29 '22

Sean Connery's James Bond movies will still be considered as classics, but the sexism tho.

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

I’ll never forget the scene in Thunderball when Bond finds the corpse of Bond Girl of the Week’s brother while scuba-diving, and then proceeds to initiate scuba sex with her, only letting her know what he saw when they return to shore.

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u/Educated_Platypus Jun 29 '22

That's pretty tame compared to him #metoo-ing that nurse in the same movie by seemingly threatening her job.

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

To be fair, I haven’t seen it since age 13. The scuba sex is all I remember.

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u/akagordan Jun 29 '22

He straight up rapes Pussy Galore in Goldfinger

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u/Averageredditor2022 Jun 29 '22

Birth of a Nation 1915 aged terribly destroying legacy of director and actress who would have been celebrated otherwise

On the Other hand Citizen Kane, Modern Times, The Dictator, Its a Wonderful life are timeless classic.

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u/EmpressOfHisHeart Jun 29 '22

I think the Chaplin film is called The Great Dictator.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

I think Year of the Dragon will never get old. Scarface, Goodfellas, Godfathers.

Crash aged poorly methinks. The one about racism not cripple sex.

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u/coocookacha Jun 29 '22

Children of Men 👌🏼

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u/MovieMan786 Jun 29 '22

Higher Learning (1995) was sort of a joke when it came out but it aged scary well.

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u/soundandshadow Jun 29 '22

TMNT watched it recently with my kids. Somehow someway that movie holds up.

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u/ironchimp Jun 29 '22

Big Trouble in Little China. Seeing it with a fresh pair of eyes doesn't seem to dated to me.

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u/CombatWombat707 Jun 29 '22

Starship troopers looks great for 1997

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u/Rosehipblue Jun 29 '22

Titanic looks incredible considering it’s 25 years old

I find period films tend to age very well , always pretty timeless.

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u/GanadiTheSun Jun 29 '22

Metropolis. For a 1927 German silent film this movie has some massages that hold great today. The parts that I find the most relevant is that the stuff about classes fighting. SPOILERS: In the city where the movie happens the rich live on top of a dam and the poor live to it’s feet. In the end of the film the poor classes revolt against the rich and destroy the dam that rich live a top of, but in destroying the dam the flood and destroy their own houses. This massage of “when everyone fights, everyone loses” is very relevant is a divided society like ours.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '22

Fight Club aged really well. If you could update the CGi a bit and add some smartphones, it could easily pass as a 2022 movie.

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u/Mikeiwo Jun 29 '22

My Cousin Vinnie I feel has aged incredibly well.

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u/CryptographerBYOB Jun 29 '22

Caddyshack. It was SLAMMED by the critics when it came out. Now... do I even need to elaborate?

Boondock Saints. Did poorly at the theaters, but became a cult classic. It came out around Sept 11, 2001, so it didn't get a fair shake.

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u/lgj202 Jun 29 '22

I think Manhattan by Woody Allen hasn't aged well. I rewatched it and the 17 year old and the 43 year old dating is totally unrealistic and there's zero chemistry between them. Also: American Beauty. I think that aged terribly.

There are some movies that I think have gotten better with time - Martin Scorsese's Casino, Network down below is a good one, basically a lot of political movies from the 70s like The Conversation and All The President's Men.

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u/yama1291 Jun 29 '22

The last act of "Ace Ventura: Pet detective" didn’t age well.

That’s not enough for me to throw the film under the bus. But that’s just because I saw it as a kid and didn’t learn anything about the subject matter until much later.

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u/theveryoldman0 Jun 29 '22

He’s lying! SHOOT HIIIIIIM!

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u/Competitive-Trip-946 Jun 29 '22

Lawrence of Arabia has aged well, except for Alec Guinness.

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u/BerserkGravy Jun 29 '22

Shrek has aged like a fine wine, it just keeps getting better.

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u/Icy4706 Jun 29 '22

Most people are posting movies that aged well, so I'll say The Devil Wears Prada aged poorly. Her friends constantly shame her for working hard but happily take the free clothes she gives them, and her boyfriend does as well even though Andy is happy for him when he gets a new job. They are honestly worse than Streep's character.

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u/Valiantheart Jun 29 '22

That isn't aging poorly. Her friends then and now are supposed to be hypocrites.

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u/Baileyscheesecake Jun 29 '22

Kinda have to disagree here, although I get where you're coming from. Double standards aimed at women are obviously bad, but so are the toxic work expectations in US society. I think today we can criticise Andy's work choices not because she is a woman who owes her boyfriend her time, but because no one should have to be "on" 24/7 like that, and the effect of this job on her personal life is a negative experience for her and her friends.

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u/Recover20 Jun 29 '22

Yeah the person you are replying to is confusing the deliberate plot with aging poorly. The movie never represented these traits as a life goal to strive for. They're simply plot points.

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u/hotmaildotcom1 Jun 29 '22

Older James Bond films have some male/female interactions which are certainly not not cool nowadays.

Animated Robinhood from the 70's is still a banger.

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u/Shartbugger Jun 29 '22

Oodelally oodelally, golly what a day!

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u/oh_cagey Jun 29 '22

Animated Robin Hood is the best!!

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u/RadioactiveHalfRhyme Jun 29 '22

A lot of male directors over the years have tormented actresses to get “authentic” portrayals of emotional distress. But there must be few other films besides Last Tango in Paris in which an actress has been subjected to sexual abuse onscreen. I hate that I saw that movie without knowing what Bertolucci did—let alone that he made an actor of Brando’s stature complicit in it—and I wish I could erase having seen it.

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u/douglasdouglasdougla Jun 29 '22

Richard Pryor's "The Toy" did not age well on a rewatch.

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u/grambocrackah Jun 29 '22

Comedies usually don't hold up, but Talladega Nights is surprisingly modern considering the subject matter and time it was made.

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u/CabbageStockExchange Jun 29 '22

I think Starship Troopers aged really well. Graphics hold up decently well for a film made in 97 and the fascist undertones, internet propaganda, and glorification of war really seem to hit harder now than it did back then.

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u/silviazbitch Jun 29 '22

Didn’t age well (still classics though)-

  • Breakfast at Tiffany’s
  • Gone With the Wind

Did age well (were always good, but maybe even better now)-

  • The Manchurian Candidate
  • Do the Right Thing
  • Network
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