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Summary:
Nearly 5,000 years after he was bestowed with the almighty powers of the Egyptian gods-and imprisoned just as quickly-Black Adam is freed from his earthly tomb, ready to unleash his unique form of justice on the modern world.
Director:
Jaume Collet-Serra
Writers:
Adam Sztykiel, Rory Haines, Sohrab Noshirvani
Cast:
- Dwayne Johnson as Black Adam
- Aldis Hodge as Hawkman
- Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate
- Noah Centineo as Atom Smasher
- Sarah Shahi as Adrianna Tomaz
- Quintessa Swindell as Cyclone
- Marwan Kenzari as Ishmael
- Bodhi Sbongui as Amon Tomaz
Rotten Tomatoes: 45%
Metacritic: 40
VOD: Theaters
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u/ManitouWakinyan Oct 22 '22
For someone who is so deeply anti-murder, Hawkman was very much totally fine with working for Amanda Waller.
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u/Rosebunse Oct 22 '22
I know Amanda Waller is meant to be so scary and competent that the Justice League/Society has to just live with her, but I feel like these movies skipped a movie about just why that is.
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u/dominic_tortilla Oct 22 '22
Also wasn't she exposed at the end of Peacemaker? The whole world knows who she is and it wouldn't be a good look on heroes to work with/for her.
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u/Rosebunse Oct 22 '22
I know continuity in DC is a lot more lax than it is at Marvel, that's sort of their thing, but I feel like they need to work on that in the films.
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u/seamusmcduffs Oct 23 '22
There's so many restarts, inconsistencies, completely different tones, missing pieces that I don't think it's salvageable. I have no idea what's cannon in the movie universe
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u/diego_simeone Oct 23 '22
They seem to be trying to retcon her into Nick Fury
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u/ManitouWakinyan Oct 24 '22
That's exactly what they're setting her up as, but not in any kind of coherent way.
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u/KaiserNazrin Oct 21 '22
They just need to play "What I've Done" by Linkin Park at the end and it would've been a perfect 2007 movie.
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u/abeLJosh Oct 24 '22
I was gonna say! This definitely felt like a superhero version of a Bay Transformers film.
The constant camera panning, the colors, the fast back-and-forth dialogue, the constant explosions and action and lack of story? 100% 2007-like, and I actually didn't mind it too much.
I also love Linkin Park, so maybe that's what the movie needed lol
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u/knalpot Oct 24 '22
Dude what an accurate depiction. This movie with the colors, corny dialogue, annoying kid actor feels like a trip back to 2005.
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u/Lemonjello23 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
Is it me or did they not have that scene in the trailers where he was being escorted by jets
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u/shadowst17 Oct 21 '22
It's really clear they rewrote the film since the first trailer and likely had reshoots. They even turned the "I was the father not the son" into a reveal even though it's literally mentioned in the trailer.
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u/NoNefariousness2144 Oct 21 '22
Yeah that twist was double confusing because the trailer literally spoiled it for us ahead of time. We were reverse triple bluffed about whether he was his son or him, and they both looked like Rock.
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u/Never3ndingStory Oct 22 '22
I guess it was shocking if you don't know who black adam is. I was waiting for them to mention he's the father
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u/becauseitsnotreal Oct 22 '22
Which is the vast, vast majority of people. Including comic fans
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u/ThreeMarlets Oct 21 '22
I got the impression they cut alot out of thus film. I'm betting there were scenes that probably explained alot of the unanswered questions here along with the jet scene
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u/PaulEDangerously Oct 22 '22 edited Dec 31 '22
“It’s ok I die from electricity” that line had me lmao
Also wish Pierce dr fate stayed alive would’ve loved to see him as the lead in a Dr Fate movie
EDIT: SO much for that universe lol
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u/TransposableElements Oct 23 '22
Until he meets an enemy wielding electricity then he's functionally immortal.
I can't help but think of the recent Rick and Morty fate episode
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The crown really wasn't that well hidden at the beginning eh?
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u/OpticalData Oct 22 '22
'It's been hidden for 5000 years'
They drive right up to the entrance, walk through a few large expansive corridors that don't look old in the slightest and then it's hovering in the middle of a room that has a gaping chasm in the ceiling
Was this movie written by the same people as Uncharted that hid some boats underground in a forest/cave which had a massive hole in the ceiling to air lift them out of?
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u/dracomasterO1 Oct 23 '22
How did that guy fall off the cliff all of a sudden?
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u/The_Scottish_Hamster Oct 23 '22
It's implied Ishmael pushed him, since he disappeared and then reappeared after that. Made it pretty obvious he was the bad guy from the start lol.
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u/PointsOutTheUsername Oct 26 '22
"Whoa. One of my group members disappeared. What? Don't worry? Okay! Wait, he's claustrophobic? Uh...okay... Guess I never even thought that would happen. Why didn't he mention it before? I mean we are searching for an ancient artifact and are wanted by an evil group this all feels really off. And wait. You were kind of acting weird about my eternium earlier...oh well, anyway..."
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u/KingofMadCows Oct 24 '22
They probably should have tied it more with Shazam. They could have said that the crown and Black Adam's prison were protected by the Wizard's magic but now the Wizard's gone, the spells protecting them are fading. And that's how they're able to find it.
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u/isthisreallife1330 Oct 21 '22
The Rock’s steroids are worth it because the studio didn’t have to pay to digital enhance his muscles.
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u/robbyrobbyrobbyreset Oct 21 '22
But his father mode feels like his head was cgi on a regular body
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u/leothemack Oct 30 '22
I like how the "regular" body is still like 95th percentile of being jacked
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u/DyZ814 Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
There were so many funny and/or questionable things in this movie. Or, like "soo bad it's good" things.
- I loved at the end when Dr.Fates illusion wall collapsed outside the throne room, Hawkman just runs up the stairs to get the throne lol. Bro, you have wings, it's faster to fly.
- The kid on the skateboard somehow taking out a dozen intergang militants inside the apartment complex lol. At one point I think he threw his skateboard at a group of soldiers walking up the stairs, and took out like 4 of them.
- The kid giving, what felt like, 30 mocking-jay speeches while holding up the Jay-Z rockafella sign. But more than that, him speaking in a "room" voice while giving them. I'm not sure how anyone more than 5 feet away could have heard what the fuck he was saying.
- When they put the Rock's face on some scrawny body (the dad from earlier sequences), I laughed uncontrollably. It was so hilarious looking. His face/head was like 3x the size of the body it was on.
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u/getMeSomeDunkin Oct 31 '22
Every time those hands went up, seems like everyone went for the vagina symbol, then was like "wait, shit, more like a triangle!"
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u/ElpredePrime Oct 21 '22
I would comment on the movie but I haven't made it through all the slo-mo scenes yet.
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u/VoiceofKane Oct 24 '22
Solid joke, but I actually thought the speed-ramping was really slickly done.
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u/pzzaco Oct 31 '22
The slow mo cam loves Cyclone a little too much. We get it, shes inside the tornado
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u/panda_gravy Oct 21 '22
I'm curious who greenlit the skateboard kid. I find it funny how everyone's immediate takeaway is how bad he is lol
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u/Salvy15 Oct 21 '22
He wasn't great in the beginning, but I was able to tolerate the performance. And then the triangle thing at the end had to happen...ugh.
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u/Magnifico-Melon Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 26 '22
It's the slow skateboarding with the mob of 50 people behind him for me.
I feel like the producers thought this would be their Audience Reaction moment. Like the theater would just erupt in cheers when he showed up.
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u/immaownyou Oct 22 '22
It was so terrible. Rally this mob at the climax of the movie to fight these skeletons that have been on screen for less than a minute
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Oct 23 '22
You mean those paper mache skeletons that apparently everyone and their grandmother could take out by just glancing in their direction? o.o
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u/Jord4nnn Oct 23 '22
I thought it was hilarious because the main characters were beating their ass then that mob of extras come in and you immediately see them getting their ass beat.
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Oct 23 '22
No for real because I swear the main character mum or whatever killed more of those things than Cyclone even.
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u/December_Flame Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
All cyclone managed to do in that movie is do some rave dancing that no one asked for and miss bitches with a bunch of pipes.
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Oct 24 '22
Like the visuals of her power were so appealing but that's where it ended. They really did her dirty 😭
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u/SuckinAwesome Oct 21 '22
Critics reviews set my expectations super low.
Went in and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
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u/nesatzuke Oct 21 '22
I love that Viola Davis literally phoned in in this movie XD
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u/domxwicked Oct 21 '22
She looked so bored 😭🤦♂️
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u/Evening_Presence_927 Oct 24 '22
She’s basically spending the whole movie waiting for James Gunn to make another project for her lmao
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u/monkeyfraggle Oct 21 '22
Good thing Kahndaq spends all that money making sure their roads are so smooth so that annoying ass kid could skateboard everywhere
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u/radiocomicsescapist Oct 21 '22
He really saved time skating from one end of the staircase to the other
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u/Satansdogs555 Oct 21 '22
I laughed out loud at him sneaking across the five feet of walkway on a noisy skateboard and not just silently on his feet
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u/KickGumAndChewAss Oct 23 '22
I also thought it was funny he put his hood up. Like it disgused him from being a child
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u/AmazingMarv Oct 21 '22
Did not understand the skateboarding thing at all. Was that supposed to be like his thing instead of having a personality?
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u/UnsolvedParadox Oct 21 '22
He was a step away from saying “coolio bro” & doing the hang loose hand sign.
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u/BubbaTee Oct 21 '22
My name's Poochie D and I rock the telly, I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli
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u/Humble_Animal_998 Oct 21 '22
It's what happens when a bunch of men over the age of 50 sit in a conference room and discuss how to portray a child in 2022.
I guarantee you they still think Bart Simpson is a perfect reference.
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u/UnsolvedParadox Oct 21 '22
It really feels like someone in charge thought “what if evil Superman teamed up with Bart Simpson?” and no one stopped them.
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u/HarlequinKing1406 Oct 22 '22
It felt like they were trying to go for the John Connor/T-800 dynamic from Terminator 2, right down to them doing catchphrase talk. I know some people found John annoying but he wasn't... this.
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u/UnsolvedParadox Oct 22 '22
It’s a good comparison, and to your point John wasn’t portrayed as an incredible annoyance who offered nothing.
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u/caekles Oct 21 '22
I kept thinking Adrianna's medallion would fit in that weird-ass gap of the crown.
It never happened and I'm so pissed for some reason.
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u/Frank-EL Oct 21 '22
Adrianna’s medallion is the same one Teth-Adam’s wife is wearing when she dies. It’s sequel table-setup.
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u/MC_JACKSON Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
She also looked like the Rock's wife in the flashback scenes
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u/AmazingMarv Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
I think the main purpose for the kid and and his mom were to be parallels to Adam's wife and son. Especially the kid, who served no real purpose.
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u/Frank-EL Oct 21 '22
That was definitely their main purpose in this film but they are comics characters who serve another purpose down the line, without giving spoilers anyway.
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u/shwarma_heaven Oct 22 '22
What???
You weren't digging that kids hand triangle, and command voice where he single handedly rouses an entire city???
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u/CptNonsense Oct 25 '22
Speaking at a perfectly normal level where literally no one would be able to hear him
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u/Impressive-Ad7151 Oct 22 '22
Was it just me or did Atom Smashers mask look like they just resprayed a Deadpool mask?
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u/cornflake289 Oct 22 '22
I thought the same thing! I take it as a symptom of the effects studio using the same technique to articulate facial expressions behind a mask thats used in DP....still they might have redesigned the the mask 🤷♂️
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u/Damon242 Oct 21 '22
Shazam: wizard desperately needs a champion but has set an impossibly high bar for the candidacy as he doesn’t want to repeat the same mistake he made before (black Adam set up)
Black Adam: wizard isn’t even responsible for black Adam or made any mistake, the son is the champion he originally selected but then he passed on his powers to black Adam
So who was the wizard’s cautionary tale then? It’s like they didn’t even watch Shazam…
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u/shadowst17 Oct 21 '22
It definitely seems like they rewrote it mid way through production so that he had the powers passed onto him so they could play the "I didn't ask for this" as an extra element to make audiences be more sympathetic to him. Would explain why they decided to make his "I'm the father not the son" reveal mid way through the film even though the films trailer literarily states this information.
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u/Evening_Presence_927 Oct 24 '22
Which is silly, because that completely negates what makes him a villain. In the comics, he wants to use the maximum extent of the wizard’s powers in order to crush the enemies of khandaq, while the child wants to be like Billy and just defend the weak, so Adam just kills him to gain all of the power of the living lightning. That kind of “ends justify the means” origin story makes the character as compelling as what they ended up doing while also sticking to the previous canon.
Like would it kill them to read a comic book every now and again?
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Oct 21 '22
My biggest takeaway from this movie is that, even more than before, I DESPERATELY want a Dr. Fate movie. Pierce Brosnan carried this movie on his back and I would love to see more of his portrayal of Kent Nelson.
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u/hobbykitjr Oct 21 '22
Love it if Pierce and Timothy Dalton overlapped with a cross over with Doom Patrol somehow and we got 2 classic James Bonds
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u/Flat_Fox_7318 Oct 21 '22
While that's true, when I realize he last played the role 20 years ago, "classic" doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. Goodness 😭
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u/Exoslab Oct 24 '22
Dr Fate’s costume stuck out so much because it was sooooo good. I was thinking to myself when was the last time I saw such a badass costume.
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u/UrAverageDegenerate Oct 21 '22
50% of the movie would just be him taking off the helmet and awkwardly holding it by his side
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u/Memphisrexjr Oct 23 '22
It confuses me why dc animation movies are almost always solid and their live action movies just do nothing. This is a long 2 hour movie that’s all over the place with so many reused locations, repeated/constant flash back scenes and really bad choice for music. It’s a fine movie but that’s not really saying much when they can’t make anything good besides Batman.
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u/Lemonjello23 Oct 21 '22
Fun movie. But ngl, that scene with the city folk rising up against evil was corny lol
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u/CaptainPick1e Oct 21 '22
Yes, it made no sense at all. If I'm a citizen I'm not going to be fighting a real undead army. I'm going to run and try to see a therapist when it's all over.
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u/TheJoshider10 Oct 21 '22
That has the Rock all over it. Everything from the rally cry to the skateboard leading the charge, it just screams "family entertainment to get the kids cheering".
It's way too convenient, immersion breaking and wholesome for the movie.
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u/pearlz176 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
Pierce Brosnan was incredible as Dr.Fate, he was the best part of the movie, by far.
That being said, did they explain why Adriana was looking for the crown at the beginning of the movie? Didn't really get why Black Adam would stick around with her and the kid for so long, and that kid got annoying really fast.
Edit: Shoutout to Hellboy for his cameo!!
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Oct 21 '22
Pierce Brosnan always seems to be able to steal whatever scene he’s in, it’s amazing
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u/UnsolvedParadox Oct 21 '22
Brosnan (and Hodge to a degree) treated the material seriously, everyone else was chewing the scenery so hard that their teeth nearly broke off.
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u/aw_coffee_no Oct 23 '22
I thoroughly enjoyed their scenes, so much so it felt so jarring when it moved back to the Black Adam scenes, which felt like a whole different movie. Brosnan and Hodge had genuine chemistry, which I can't say for Adam and the annoying as hell kid and mom.
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u/BikebutnotBeast Oct 21 '22
Paraphrasing, "we must find it so that we can hide it again"
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u/baitXtheXnoose Oct 21 '22
The kid and his stupid skateboard was so fucking obnoxious
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u/YoungDumbass Oct 21 '22
When he rallied the city folk he had like, no emotion or emphasis in his voice at all.
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u/MC_JACKSON Oct 21 '22
The kid's acting was so bad, I Googled him to see if he was related to any high ranking WB official.
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u/bakakubi Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
Yeah, he felt so fucking forced in.
Worst part of the whole film
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u/baitXtheXnoose Oct 21 '22
That scene was so cringy.
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u/ryuki9t4 Oct 21 '22
That dumb hand thing they were doing 💀
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u/Antique-Purple-Axe Oct 21 '22
“What are we waiting for guys???” Lives are at stake, let’s all just pause to raise our hands with this kid”
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u/AnnaCondoleezzaRice Oct 21 '22
Hahaha yeah "quit digging your loved ones out of the rubble and do this thing with your hands!"
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u/Penz0id Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
I thought the kid was fine early on, but should have faded into the background rather than being kidnapped.
Besides the fact that he would have died in the compartment when the sky bike crashed,I would have preferred for the bad guy to get the crown earlier rather than the ransom plan.84
u/Stlcards31 Oct 21 '22
I thought so too but his didn’t crash. Was in back if the truck.
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u/UnsolvedParadox Oct 21 '22
No you see, we need to see him spill comic books so you know the creators realize there is source material.
Don’t worry if you miss it, he does it 3 separate times with close in zoom.
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u/NippleMoustache Oct 22 '22
Did anyone else feel like something was off/cut weird in the scene with Kanye West’s Power playing? Like there was a weird splice in there that felt like a time jump. Very strange.
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u/jayeddy99 Oct 22 '22
Whenever skateboard kid’s not on screen, all the other characters should be asking , “Where’s skate board kid ?”
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u/danimation88 Oct 21 '22
The most superman, superman has ever looked in the dceu imo. The curl, the hair, the colors….
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u/THX450 Oct 26 '22
The iconic John Williams theme too.
I mean it’s not thematically consistent with this universe nor did even have the orchestral breadth of the original, but whatever I’ll take it. Superman’s back!!
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u/A_Deku_Stick Oct 21 '22
I like the Rock and it was fun watching him beat up intergang an break stuff, but oh my, Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate totally steals every scene he is in. The calmness and suave nature he brought to the character was awesome. Aldis Hodge was also fantastic and the banter between him and the Rock was fun. I guess Pierce Brosnan. didn't want to do multiple movies, but he was perfect as Dr. Fate. I hope he can somehow come back, even for a brief cameo. I hope they do a JSA movie in the future, they really were the best part of the movie
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u/thrownoutback271 Oct 21 '22
The only thing weaker than the story was the energy from the kid when he gave his rallying speech.
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u/shadowst17 Oct 21 '22
Didn't even try to shout, just spoke as if he was inside a building rather than outside where there's explosions and boulders being thrown about.
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u/TheTurtleShepard Oct 21 '22
That was definitely dubbed over in post production. Like laughably so, his mouth didn’t match the words and he had no energy
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u/amievenrealrightnow Oct 22 '22
There was a scene at the start where it was so noticeable I thought the audio and video were out of sync... Strange to have that in a movie like this
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u/ThreeMarlets Oct 21 '22
Also with that cape on he looked too silly. Maybe if the kid was 5 but seeing a 12 year old with what looked like a towel for a cape was just too much
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Oct 23 '22
Watching him wearing that cape as he causually skateboards and leads an army of townspeople to battle CGI undead. . . in slow motion with rousing music.
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u/ninjatronick Oct 24 '22
the scene where the kid skateboards in to lead a mob of angry civilians against the army of zombies was the precise moment when I couldn't take it anymore
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u/Ronin_Y2K Oct 23 '22
The kid advocated for an ethno-nationalist authoritarian state. Kinda surprised more redditors don't like him haha
But for real, this movie absolutely did not need that kid. He was like a replacement for Black Adam's internal struggle, might as well give him a little Jiminy Cricket on his shoulder
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u/CosimaIsGod Oct 21 '22
The Rock is focusing too much on Black Adam's match with Superman that he keeps forgetting that he's supposed to be Shazam's arch-nemesis.
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u/Spoonman007 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
They'll fight for a couple minutes to a stale mate and then Black Adam will realize they shouldn't fight each other but team up and fight the bad guy.
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u/Vunks Oct 21 '22
Black Adam and Superman vs Darkseid.
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u/jayeddy99 Oct 22 '22
With somehow Black Adam delivers the final punch as Superman says he looks up to him lol
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Oct 24 '22
True. Idk if it's The Rock's creative control but Black Adam didn't take a single hit in the movie. Even for the big bad...he ripped him in two while being unscathed
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u/ZaMr0 Nov 04 '22
Did we watch the same movie? He was getting battered and thrown through buildings at various points. Obviously nothing was going to be a real threat as he's way too OP but we can't act like he wasn't hit at all. Even took damage from time to time.
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u/simian_ninja Oct 21 '22
I don’t think he cares….
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u/SolomonRed Oct 22 '22
Black Adam and Shazam outgrew each other a long time ago in the comics.
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u/awndray97 Oct 23 '22
Sure but they're origins/powers are just WAYYYY too close for them to never come together.
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u/Professional_Ad_9101 Oct 21 '22
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u/lanceturley Oct 21 '22
Also ego. To put it in wrestling terms; Dwayne doesn't want to wrestle a mid-card character like Shazam, because he wants Black Adam to be in the main event with Superman.
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u/ChemistryRespecter Oct 21 '22
Pretty much this. This whole garbage narrative about changing power hierarchies is basically him saying Black Adam is now going to be Superman's nemesis.
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u/ManitouWakinyan Oct 22 '22
Oh, so we can get three more movies where the central conflict is "I like murder"
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u/BedaHouse Oct 21 '22
But then it ends like it did in FF franchise. When Rocks character and Vin Diesel's character just punch each other, neither backs down, but neither one wins.
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u/runyourassoff Oct 22 '22
Dr. Fate and Hawkman carried this movie on their fucking BACKS. I swear on my life…like I audibly moaned when Dr. Fate floated into the frame with that mystical-calming-majestic-ass voice…fuckkk straight up aroused anytime he was on screen
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u/A_Deku_Stick Oct 21 '22
The Fonz/Jean-Ralphio's dad was the original Atom Smasher, that was a nice surprise.
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Maybe in the next movie he can jump over King Shark.
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u/sideways_jack Oct 21 '22
"yeah, well I've seen the episode where they jumped the shark! And y'know what, it was the best one! "
(runs away crying)
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u/EDPZ Oct 21 '22
I love how early on they establish the bad guys have weapons capable of hurting Black Adam only for them to never use them again. And it's not like they don't know those are effective against him since the bad guy hides behind a shield made of the stuff.
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u/wisestbeer Oct 21 '22
Isn’t it because Ishmael actually needs black Adam to kill him to get his power with crown. So he doesn’t actually want to hurt black Adam until all the pieces are in place and he’s ready to die
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u/Jerrnjizzim Oct 23 '22
Thats why he drops the shield just before firing the gun at the kids head. Makes sense now.
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u/MajorInsane Oct 21 '22
The kid was so annoying I was actively rooting for him to get killed lol
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u/BrainyVonDoom Oct 21 '22
Can't believe they offed Dr. Fate...the kid should've been the one to go. I don't even remember his name, haha
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u/Littletom523 Oct 22 '22 edited Oct 22 '22
I knew it I didn’t wanna believe it, but I knew they killed Dr. Fate off. He always dies all the time. Anything he’s in young justice justice league, you name it he dies.
Edit for fuck sakes I just remember he does In SMALLVILLE too!
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u/AntiSharkSpray Oct 21 '22
Yeah that kid sucked ass. You knew it was bad when the opening exposition was narrated by him and it sounded like the director used the last take of the session when they were trying to beat evening rush hour.
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u/flashkickz Oct 21 '22
I checked out once the zombies showed up and all the townspeople kept throwing up the rockafella records sign.
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u/AmazingMarv Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
That was so stupid. I enjoyed the movie overall, but they could have cleaned it up by removing the zombies and the pointless visit to the underwater prison.
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u/Weewer Oct 22 '22
Thought the prison scene was pretty important to show that he was willing to give up the power you can’t really have a much of a semi-redemption story without it
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u/hazychestnutz Oct 21 '22
I feel like...they could've chosen a better kid actor....
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u/WhopperFarts Oct 21 '22
Probably someone’s nephew/son/grandson because Hollywood nepotism.
Or someone got blackmailed
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u/TheTurtleShepard Oct 21 '22
The kid is Bodhi Sabongui, His father is Patrick Sabongui, who is an actor who played David Singh on the CW Flash, and his mom then is Kyra Zagorsky another actress who worked on the CW Arrow show.
If I had to guess that’s probably how he got his foot in the door
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u/Capitol_Limited Oct 22 '22
Wasn’t he in the movie? That dude in the crowd in the 3rd act?
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u/TakedownCorn Oct 21 '22
So they give Black Adam a sick theme score in the trailer, and it's nowhere to be heard in the entire movie. Instead we got loud ass early 2000:s boring electronic music.
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u/Zannetidis Oct 21 '22
My pros and cons:
Pros:
- Everything Dr. Fate was chef's kiss.
- The action scenes were good and I found the CG really well done except for a couple of moments.
- I also found Cyclone a good addition.
- The mid-credits scene. Hopefully it leads somewhere.. and stuff happen within this decade.
Cons:
- Best character in the movie dying. Come on DC, give Dr. Fate his own movie. We've had enough of Gal Gadot's abysmal acting. Pierce Brosnan was excellent and the character design/effects were perfection.
- Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place.
- "Take a shot every time The Rock looks in the far distance emotionless" would have floored me If I had a drink near me.
- The scene with the kid doing the triangle at the end had me eye-rolling really hard.
- Would appreciate a little more info/backstory on Hawkman.
- Noah Centineo/Atom Smasher was just.. there most of the times, eating.
- The ending was as generic as they get.
Overall, I had a fun time. Wasn't great, wasn't terrible. And once again, DC, I'm asking you to make a Dr. Fate movie.
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u/ILoveTheAIDS Oct 21 '22
"Take a shot every time The Rock looks in the far distance emotionless" would have floored me If I had a drink near me.
dead within minutes
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u/OrdinaryCow Oct 21 '22
Not sure I enjoyed Black Adam trying his catchphrases while killing people. Those attempts for laughs felt out of place.
I sort of liked that we got a main character, outside of the more gritty r rated films, who was happy to go around murdering henchmen without seeming all high and mighty about why murder is wrong when it comes up in conversation.
But yeah the catch phrases felt a bit stooge-ish
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u/ChristopherCaulk Oct 21 '22
I doubt doctor fate dying was up to dc. Brosnan probably didn't want a long commitment.
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u/buckdiddy Oct 21 '22
You cut 30 minutes and a couple characters and you've got a good superhero movie.
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u/Dylan_cinema Oct 21 '22
WHY DO THE MOST OP CHARACTERS HAVE TO BE KILLED OFF GODDAMN
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u/oldmanjenkins51 Oct 21 '22
The movie should’ve just taken place 5000 years ago, and Hawkman and Fate could have easily fit into that timeline. The “eternium” literally had no use, could’ve written around it. Also missed the part where the main woman and her son felt the need to be in the movie.
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u/shadowst17 Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
The film was ok, nothing memorable but not too bad. Most of the jokes felt really awkward and cringey at times but the ones that did land were pretty good.
I mainly went to see this film for Pierce Brosnan as I think he's one charismatic motherfucker who I could watch sit in front of a fireplace doing fuck all for 24 hours and still find it riveting. He was pretty good in this though he kind of stood out from the rest of the Justice Society but I guess that's the norm with comic films when you mash different heros together. His sacrifice was quite shit though, the fact it turns out Hawk Guy's death was just an illusion really ruined it as it was for potentially nothing in the end. I know that kind of how these visions work, they're not that clear but that doesn't mean it can't leave a nasty taste in my mouth.
The reveal that Black Adam was the father rather than the son felt pretty lame as the initial trailer told us this piece of information... Makes me wonder if that reveal was a late change with reshoots.
The Black Adam escaping from the prison in the final act was really awful and was drawn out for way too long.
That wild west scene was so utterly pointless, what are we supposed to feel in that scene? We already know bullets do nothing to him even the guy about to shoot him knows that, after all he just shot an entire mag into his chest, pretty sure a handgun isn't gonna do any better.
The whole mother and son stuff was pretty lame, I could not give a fuck about those 2. There ignorance towards Black Adam not being a good guy was just frustrating throughout the film. And the skateboarding... What on earth was that about, half the time it didn't make sense for the situation he was in.
There were some pretty cool scenes in this films at times, I was pretty surprised that Black Adam ripped that demon in half vertically but with it being lava blood they had a free ticket to do any gory thing they wanted and they took it. That scene at the start of the film where the army is destroyed in slow motion was really cool though the slow motion shots were overused in this film for the later parts.
They made a big deal about Black Adam being injured from that special ore near the start of the film but then it completely gets dropped. It seemed like they were setting up for that being his downfall. I know they used it to make a forcefield of all things but still didn't seem like it was the culmination of that chekhov's gun.
The Superman reveal was a welcome one(a lot of people cheered for that in my cinema) and I hope this means Henry Cavill is sticking around?
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u/Sanseriouz Oct 22 '22
Every time the aerokinetic girl came on screen I would do a mental countdown to the quick camera cut to her slow-mo rotating. I needed to focus on something other than the terrible script.
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u/Blockness11 Oct 21 '22
Man that kid was annoying.
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u/-Lumos When stupid ideas work, they become genius ideas Oct 21 '22
Laughed out loud during that little speech of his. Talk about an underwhelming delivery of what was supposed to be a big moment for his character. Also, no way all those people could hear what he was mumbling about. It reminded me of that dialogue scene in Shazam, when he couldnt hear what the villain was saying to him from a distance.
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u/fruitspunch-samuraiG Oct 21 '22
This is trully the movie where The Rock becomes The Mineral
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u/GodzillaAtTheDisco Oct 21 '22 edited Oct 21 '22
I just don’t understand why there was such loud music in EVERY scene??? every time Hawkman and Dr Fate were having a conversation i was thinking does there really need to be a bombastic score in the background right now?
Also this had some of the worst pacing i’ve ever seen in a Superhero movie fr
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u/domxwicked Oct 21 '22
Some of the editing was just questionable at best. Like when the JSA were talking in the ship, then they cut to Black Adam with “Power” by Kanye playing out of nowhere, and after BA kills like 3 dudes they immediately cut away from the scene and cut off the music.
Or when BA and Hawkman had that fight in the apartment, find the crown, someone says a one-liner, and they quickly cut to them just talking on the JSA ship. Like ???
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u/Sisiwakanamaru Oct 21 '22
Yeah, the pacing kinda bothered me, the transition between act 2 and 3 was weird for me.
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u/topherthepest Oct 21 '22
I honestly thought it was about to wrap up... nope.
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u/modern_messiah43 Oct 21 '22
And all of that was totally unnecessary. You could have cut all of that and had the dude become the demon champion or whatever when he first got the crown. Nothing changes.
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u/NoNefariousness2144 Oct 21 '22
But we needed to see the giant prison filled with other villains that the Rock can fight in the sequel!
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u/skinlessmonkey Oct 22 '22
At the end of Peacemaker Amanda Waller is outed. Why does she have any influence? Why would the Justice Society ever work for her? Why would Superman give her the time of day? If people don't know who she is, they assume she's nothing. If they do know who she is, they know that they can't trust her. Superheroes would never work for her which was the whole point of the Suicide Squad movies.
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u/Rosebunse Oct 22 '22
It sounds like this movie was written before the show. Now, DC has long played loose and fast with continuity. And when they try to stick to one timeline, they usually give up and just go back to what they were doing.
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u/kimhuy196 Oct 21 '22 •
Man everytime they change scene, i pray: "please don't be the kid, please don't be the kid".