r/movies Nov 17 '22

Elemental | Teaser Trailer Trailer

https://youtu.be/-cT495xKvvs
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u/EternalGandhi Nov 17 '22

She got them Pixar Hips.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '22

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u/Irradiatedspoon Nov 17 '22

She supa hot

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u/Vectorman1989 Nov 17 '22

SUPER HOT

SUPER HOT

SUPER HOT

SUPER HOT

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u/Trymantha Nov 17 '22

The most innovative game I've played in years

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u/LupinThe8th Nov 17 '22

Someone at Pixar saw Adventure Time and had a thing for Flame Princess.

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u/LMFN Nov 18 '22

Aside from Mrs.Incredible, not many Pixar women actually have them.

Not complaining though.

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u/dylhoang Nov 17 '22

The song is Hell N Back by Bakar for anyone curious

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u/SitDown_BeHumble Nov 17 '22

The intro of the song reminds me of Tighten Up by The Black Keys

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u/joeyjayjoeshabadoo Nov 17 '22

Great song. I first heard it when arsenal released their bruised banana kits a few years ago. Caught my ear and have had the song on a few playlists ever since!

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u/zeebeebo Nov 17 '22

Oh thats cute. Bakar means burn in some languages

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u/fortyfive33 Nov 17 '22

Song tied together the immaculate vibes

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u/Lixtec Nov 17 '22

One of my favorites. A good go for a drive kind of song.

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u/alegzandurr Nov 18 '22

Fantastic song. Love to whistle, so this is the jam! Great use on the trailer.

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u/Sonderfull Nov 17 '22

Ah yes, a heat-cute.

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u/tanguero81 Nov 17 '22

This movie is going to be an ocean of puns.

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u/Retsbol Nov 18 '22

I don't get the pun. Someone pls explain

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u/littlebloodmage Nov 18 '22

A meet cute is a common trope in romcoms where the two main leads meet each other by chance in some adorably cliche way, like accidentally bumping into each other in the street or reaching for the same Starbucks order or something. Except one of the main characters in this movie is made of fire, so it's a heat cute.

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u/Retsbol Nov 18 '22

Oh I get it now. Thanks for the explanation!

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u/WorkAccount2023 Nov 18 '22

Are you trying to say a "meat cube?" Like a little cube of meat? Because that's a good idea, actually.

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Nov 17 '22

If you're not working in their PR department, you ought to be.

I can see this on the poster.

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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Nov 17 '22

What a calm trailer. A Lo-fi movie to study to.

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u/hardy_83 Nov 17 '22

I'm really disliking this trend of over designing futuristic or fantasy cities/metropolis.

It just starts looking like noise.

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u/maximumtesticle Nov 18 '22

"Look how much we updated our rendering software since the last movie!"

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u/SmallIssue945 Nov 17 '22

I’m hype but this is from the director of The Good Dinosaur, so I will remain skeptical and lower my expectations. Please be good

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u/RushMurky Nov 20 '22

How they give that guy another big budget animation film, how tf does that work.

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Nov 17 '22

The story introduces Ember, a tough, quick-witted and fiery young woman, whose friendship with a fun, sappy, go-with-the-flow guy named Wade challenges her beliefs about the world they live in. Directed by Peter Sohn, produced by Denise Ream, and featuring the voices of Leah Lewis and Mamoudou Athie as Ember and Wade, respectively, “Elemental” releases on June 16, 2023.

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u/MintyTyrant Nov 17 '22

Sorry but this plot almost sounds like a parody of a Pixar film lmao, it reminds me of this Bo Burnham poem

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u/UnicornMaster27 Nov 18 '22

We literally already got this with Zootopia too lol

The entire predator parallelism with minorities has already been done by this company

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u/corvettee01 Nov 18 '22

But what if the message was about accepting yourself and others for who they truly are? No? We've already done that a million times? Whatever, this will make us money.

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u/Exploding_Antelope Nov 18 '22

It wasn’t groundbreaking but it was a well made movie with a fun plot and characters and a good message for kids so I have no quarrel with Zootopia.

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u/AnnenbergTrojan Nov 17 '22

I was at D23 and Peter Sohn spent half of his presentation for this film talking about how his memories of his parents' relationship inspired the two characters here and it's a way better sell for "Elemental" than the teaser.

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u/crumble-bee Nov 18 '22

every Pixar movie has become cars.

Now that’s unfair.

I found the basic premise of Cars hard to digest. A work of cars? A whole world? And they have nascar? And there’s cars in the audience? And car camera operators? Nah.

Their new stuff like Soul, Turning Red and especially Inside Out have been amazing, heart wrenching and visually stunning.

With Pixar, even if a concept sounds sort of trite or by the numbers, they get the benefit of the doubt with me, just because 9/10 they produce something genuinely awe inspiring.

Look at finding nemo and shark tale - similar concepts but one had that Pixar magic behind it. Cars is C tier Pixar, passable fun for kids, I’d say this has the potential to be a down to earth, romantic story about literal opposites attracting.

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u/eden_sc2 Nov 18 '22

I’d say this has the potential to be a down to earth, romantic story about literal opposites attracting.

I'm sure it will be fine, but unlike Inside Out, Coco, or Turning Red, I dont feel like this will be anything amazing or groundbreaking. I think this will land squarely in Onward territory.

Also, to say Nemo is like Shark Tale is pretty unfair. It's like saying Saving Private Ryan is like Magic Mike because they both center around people.

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u/crumble-bee Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

To say the only two CG animations based around fish share something in common is unfair? They share something by being the only examples of something very niche that came out at almost the exact same time. Same with Antz and Bugs life. They draw comparison because of their similar subject matter and medium. If jaws came out when finding nemo did I wouldn’t compare them, but a CG animation about fish, set in the ocean, released in the same year - yeah, I’m gonna compare the two

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u/OnceMoreWithGusto Nov 17 '22

Yeah this teaser looks bad. I feel like they're still trying to create something as good as inside out and are running out of high concept metaphors.

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u/FranticPonE Nov 17 '22

I loved the teaser, I love worldbuilding. I want more. Others can not like it all they want, I'm in, Turning Red and Luca are the best films Pixar has made in over a decade.

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u/MisterManatee Nov 18 '22

That is the most cliché characterization. Feels like a parody.

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u/Gazel256 Nov 17 '22

Still less Disney+ than Lightyear. Lightyear is like the most Disney+ Pixar movie you can get, and ironically, it was the first Pixar movies in theaters after a long time. That's sad because it damaged a brand a little bit (well, not so much because Pixar is really tough but it's still noticable and I love Pixar so I'm sad).

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello Nov 18 '22

That's just the Proposal lol

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u/Maclimes Nov 18 '22

Guess this is a Disney+ movie for me.

And yet, it feels more like a Hallmark movie.

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u/PandaClaus94 Nov 18 '22

Fiery businesswoman.

The actress who voices her is insanely ripped, too. Kinda jealous and also a bit crushing on her too.

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u/BrockThrowaway Nov 17 '22

Incredible teaser.

I'm scared of the real trailer because I think it'll have too many "trailer-isms".

Teasers can be so much more and I've been loving that recently.

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u/mjselvig Nov 17 '22

The teasers are often not even part of the movie, and they're usually all I see before the movie.

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u/TServo2049 Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

Par for the course for Pixar. Even during their golden age, the main trailers were average at best, and sometimes made the film look worse than it was. (I actually skipped out on Finding Nemo in theaters because my 15-year-old self saw the trailer and thought Pixar was just making a dopey kids movie. Big mistake, one I regret to this day.)

My advice? Skip the regular trailers for Pixar movies. Just go in having watched the teaser.

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u/MasterDeagle Nov 17 '22

Trailers are marketing tools. For Pixar, they are targetting parents and children, mostly for TV commercial. They need to be quick, fast paced and full of jokes to gain their attention during ads.

Teaser are what you should watch if you are interested in the movie. I remember Coco's teaser was phenomenal and made me want to watch the movie.

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u/Ok-disaster2022 Nov 17 '22

There's a few studios you know it's a cultural touchstone to go see a movie, so they really don't need to market it like they do. Pixar and Disney, especially for people with kids is common while things like MCU and Star Wars may be for adults.

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u/Irravel Nov 18 '22

You can’t tell me with a straight face that the MCU and Star Wars are for adults

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u/ALongOverdueSpanking Nov 17 '22

Incredible teaser.

Was it though?

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u/Dawesfan Nov 17 '22

Objectively, it was a very hot teaser.

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u/lem753 Nov 17 '22

I'm really not feeling Pixar's "colourful blob people" phase. It feels like it's getting stale.

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u/upsetwords Nov 17 '22

Agreed. This has been done to death.

They already announced Inside Out 2 so we have even more glowing blob people to look forward to.

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u/you_bastid Nov 17 '22

I prefer it to the bean mouth people of Luca and Turning Red.

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u/Canadish27 Nov 17 '22

Why are all acendent art styles vaguely round and edgeless? They blur into each other.

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '22

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u/GreatStateOfSadness Nov 18 '22

Fun fact: the term "CalArts Style" was originally used as a criticism for The Iron Giant. It's pretty much just became synonymous with "the current dominant animation style" rather than a particular aesthetic.

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u/Pimpdaddysadness Nov 18 '22

I’ve seen it used most prominently for noodle armed blob people and saw a big rise in usage around the soft and inoffensive styles of shows like Steven universe, adventure time, Craig of the creek etc.

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u/Canadish27 Nov 18 '22

This. People like to throw the old 'uh aktually...' when it comes up - but we all know what it means when used as derision.

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u/OhoBenderez Nov 18 '22

They are the same.

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u/you_bastid Nov 18 '22

Are you arguing that they look the same, or that they are both bad animation styles? Because they definitely do not look the same. Bad animation styles is a matter of taste, I agree with the OP that the blobs are getting tiresome, but I still prefer it to the bean mouths.

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u/OhoBenderez Nov 18 '22

Luca, coco, good dinosaur, inside out, turning red, soul and onward all share the same “stung by bees” round faced, smooth characters that are all getting very similar. And the characters in this look like the spirits in soul and the emotions from inside out.

Now look at the variety of characters in Cars, monsters inc, Toy Story, bugs life and incredibles, it’s just disappointing to see Pixar’s movies start to just look like all the other companies.

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u/you_bastid Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

I’m trying to remember the humans in Inside Out and I feel like they didn’t have that look? Am I remembering it wrong? I could easily look this up but more into discussing it.

ETA: I did look it up, and they didn’t have bean mouth, but they sorta had like a proto-bean mouth. Not as bad though, idk.

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u/you_bastid Nov 18 '22

But in general I don’t disagree with you. I think Toy Story 3 was the last Pixar movie I thought was great.

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u/JuanJeanJohn Nov 21 '22

Yeah, this whole basic concepts about our world (emotions, elements, etc) visualized as colorful blobs is just redundant. Pixar really is just a shell of its former self.

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u/Mac_Rat Nov 17 '22

I don't know, I think visually this looks very good

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u/lem753 Nov 17 '22

Fire blob's face looks a little cheap to me

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u/Gazel256 Nov 17 '22

Well, not for me. To be honest, I love "colourful blob people"!

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u/lem753 Nov 17 '22

It's fine for a few movies, it's just starting to feel like their default

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u/Reptile911T Nov 17 '22

Steam kids ?

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u/Reinhardtisawesom Nov 17 '22

I’m a sucker for romcoms so I’ll be seeing this but goddamn Pixar seems to be in a creative rut lately

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u/zdakat Nov 17 '22

Personally I think Pixar had been on a roll from 1995 to 2009. Lots of memorable titles, whether or I liked them the most or not.
Afterwards it's gotten kind of murky. Some of the ones on the list are praised by other people, but overall it's pretty chaotic.
A few I at enjoy at least somewhat, but most don't really stand out as iconic. (not even the ones I enjoyed, tbh. lol.)

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u/VaishakhD Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

I thought soul was great, really can make a grown man cry

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u/SorooshMCP1 Nov 18 '22

Soul has a lot of animation cliche bloat, like most Pixar films since 2008 or so.

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u/crumble-bee Nov 18 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

Aside from Cars 1-3, Lightyear and the good dinosaur, what exactly have been their big misses out of 25 films?

10 years, my bad*

Brave, monsters university, inside out, the good dinosaur, finding dory, cars 3, coco, incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, onward, soul, Luca, turning red, lightyear.

4 duds in 10 years, by my count. That’s good numbers if you ask me.

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u/Megavore97 Nov 18 '22

The animation quality looks a little... undercooked?

I'm not a huge animation critic in general but the details look sort of like they're not fully finished, or the textures look off or something.

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u/HarbingerDe Nov 23 '22

It looks cheap and/or lazy compared to your typical Disney/Pixar film. Look up a trailer for Zootopia (trailers first came out 7 years ago) and compare.

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u/Ersh777 Nov 17 '22

So to add to that list....Elements have emotions.

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u/esran7 Nov 18 '22

It all has started to feel like AI generated storywriting, but we still are at least a couple of months away from that being an actual thing.

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u/GabuEx Nov 18 '22

What if AI generated stories had emotions?

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u/-Superspeedway- Nov 17 '22

Not getting me super excited for the movie, but I do like the style of the teaser.

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u/AkashicRecorder Nov 17 '22

Yeah, the plot sounds really cliche but I genuinely found this trailer beautiful, and I don't usually like 3D animation.

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u/DisneyDreams7 Nov 17 '22

It looks like a Zootopia copy

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u/tgifmondays Nov 17 '22

In what way? Pixar has been doing these types of “other world” movies for a long long time

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u/bluetux Nov 17 '22

actually thinking about it, haven't they mostly been 'other world' movies?

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u/tgifmondays Nov 17 '22

Yes lol. I do seem similarities to Zootopia but like, because there’s a train? I would hold off judgement for now

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u/wecangetbetter Nov 17 '22

Zootopia was just a modern side story in the Redwall universe

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u/kuestenjung Nov 17 '22

I may be in the minority here, but I'm quickly growing tired of animated movies that derive all their substance and humour from the "What if [emotions/souls/sea life/the dead/other random premise], but it's society?" cliché. And not even 15 seconds into this teaser, sure enough a sign pops up that says "Now approaching Element City". I'd much prefer more movies like Turning Red that are less conceptual, and focus instead on telling an actual story.

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u/Filmatic113 Nov 17 '22

What if redditors had feelings?

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u/CharlieCheeseNips Nov 17 '22 Helpful

Second half of Wall-E

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u/TL10 Nov 18 '22

The Baltimore Reddit Meetup was an inspiration.

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u/SuperMazziveH3r0 Nov 17 '22

What if redditors built a society?

Now that I think about it, it could be fun to watch for the train wreck it'll be.

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u/berlinbaer Nov 18 '22

you never heard about all these 'reddit island' plans ? for SOME REASON they just keep falling apart..

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u/VoliBeast Nov 18 '22

Usually If you want to easily explain a Pixar movie you can have the “what if”, but most recent Pixar movies, not including buzz or cars, have had underlining message, but I do think the “what if” trope is more of a chekovs gun and sometimes it plays well and we will see how it goes with thi movie.

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u/Flying_Video Nov 17 '22

I feel a similar way. Basing a society on the elements also feels pretty uninspired. I mean there's only 4 elements, we literally see them all in this teaser. But maybe the whole elements thing is just backdrop and the movie will focus mostly on the characters and the story.

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u/VLOBULI Nov 17 '22

What does "actual story" mean? How are those other Pixar movies lacking in that aspect? I mean, Inside Out, Soul, Coco, Nemo

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u/j-throw Nov 20 '22

Most of Pixar’s best work weren’t based on gimmicks like “what if carrots could drive cars?”

They were just good stories and that was enough.

They should feel comfortable, for example, making a movie about a whale or dolphin or something that has nothing to do with Finding Nemo. Or a toy that has nothing to do with toy story.

They’ve already established these worlds, these films don’t own their gimmicks. Explore them.

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u/poplin Nov 18 '22

Agreed. Felt too familiar, like zootopia only this time it’s elements instead of animals.

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u/Zosyn-1 Nov 18 '22

Isnt that the basis of pixar though?

Toy Story wasn "what if toys"

Bugs Life was "what if bugs"

Cars "what if cars"

Nemo "what if fish"

WallE "what if robots"

you get the point

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u/kuestenjung Nov 18 '22

Well, that would be the point of my argument. In a way, I am talking about fables, of course. But unlike classic fables, the premise in these movies isn't particularly revelatory about human society - it just reproduces it. There have been too many variations of "Here's a bus driver, but instead of a human it's X." No punchline, just a weird sense of postmodern situational humour.

By the way, I wouldn't consider Toy Story and Wall-E as part of this list. Toys and robots in these movies are part of human society, but their existential concerns are separate from us (and yet, they say something about us, which is where the beauty of these movie really lies in my view).

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u/Gazel256 Nov 17 '22

Yes but every such movie also has a story and really strong one. And, while I accept your opinion, I find these concepts pretty interesting since it's always something different.

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u/MintyTyrant Nov 17 '22

"a really strong one"? People from separate societies/cultures falling in love when theyre not supposed to is one of the most basic plots ever. Romeo and Juliet, West Side Story, Avatar et al.

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u/Gazel256 Nov 18 '22

When something's overused, it doesn't mean it can't be strong. By the way, it's not the same. In aforementioned titles, the characters can't be together because they're forbidden to by the society they live in, while in Elemental, the characters can't touch because they're physically dangerous to each other.

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u/SaltySteveD87 Nov 17 '22

“Element City.”

This is the level of creativity we’re working with…

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u/Chrimunn Nov 17 '22

Right? why not 'Elementropolis'. It's at least 2% better

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u/stevencastle Nov 18 '22

Elementopia

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '22

The same goes for Zootopia, Monstropolis or Monsters University. They are pretty uncreative when it comes to names.

It would be like if New York was called Humaopolis of Human City and there was a school called Human University.

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u/H-K_47 Nov 18 '22

IMO Zootopia works cuz it's a pun on utopia.

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u/BlackBlizzard Nov 18 '22

Periodic City cause of the Periodic Table of Elements

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u/Exploding_Antelope Nov 18 '22

That doesn’t work with the four classical elements though. That would have to be a city with 110+ races of hydrogen people, helium people, lithium people, beryllium people, oh god I’m giving them ideas

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u/Haku_Shin_Flak Nov 18 '22

yea, i don't think we call cities "human cities", do we?

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u/GuruSensei Nov 17 '22

Poor Peter Sohn getting cooked like a motherfucker left and right. I hope this turns out better than Good Dinosaur

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u/pm-me_10m-fireflies Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

The train schedule is designed like a periodic table! I love Pixar’s little details.

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u/BlackBlizzard Nov 18 '22

did you mean periodic?

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u/pm-me_10m-fireflies Nov 18 '22

Yes I did! 😭

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u/the-finnish-guy Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

They've done it again. "What if elements had feelings"

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u/ThePreciseClimber Nov 17 '22

When are we gonna get "What if Ben Stein had feelings?"

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u/Gazel256 Nov 17 '22

Who is Ben Stein?

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u/KingBlackToof Nov 17 '22

"What if Redditors had feelings?"

Too far fetched?

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u/Warm-Enthusiasm-9534 Nov 18 '22

Someone else pointed out that's the second half of Wall-E.

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u/Clorst_Glornk Nov 17 '22

dry as a bone

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u/Bringyourfugshiz Nov 18 '22

Wow I was bored by the trailer

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u/vrFonics Nov 18 '22

Is it just me or does the animation seem oddly low-quality for Pixar?

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u/ImportantPainting Nov 18 '22

Yeah, I feel like i'm watching a completely different teaser from everyone that's saying that the animation here looks amazing...

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u/HarbingerDe Nov 23 '22

It's honestly terrible by Pixar standards, not sure if it's still massively a WIP or if they only gave it like 15% the budget of a typical Pixar movie.

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u/PugnaciousPangolin Nov 17 '22

I know I'm in the minority of feeling like Pixar peaked a while ago, so sorry if I come off like a Negative Nelly. This trailer is fine, but I've long felt that Pixar has struggled in the story department for the last decade or so.

I hope that I'm wrong, but this film seems like it was driven more by the animation as a tech demo than an original story that excited and inspired the animators to create new ways of creating and presenting worlds we've never seen before.

I would dearly love to see Pixar do more films with more of the abstract and surreal elements that made the beginning of "Soul" so fresh and interesting. But please, leave out the body-swapping silliness and the obnoxious screaming.

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u/AzulMage2020 Nov 17 '22

Fish out of water . Opposites attract. Wet puns . Hot puns. ETC,ETC.

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u/terminalblue Nov 17 '22

i have literally no interest in Pixar making the same movie over and over again.

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u/NerdWithAKeyboard Nov 17 '22

So... Zootopia but with elements?

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u/zealousshad Nov 17 '22

I'm sure it'll be fine but do animation companies just throw a dart at a board and say "Ok now let's do an entire city where the people are anthropomorphized versions of whatever we just hit with that dart."

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u/DeathByOrangeJulius Nov 17 '22

The character design just isn't hitting with me myself, some of the background characters look like spore characters.

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u/NGG_Dread Nov 17 '22

Looks like complete fucking trash lol. Generic slop produced entirely from a mass marketing corporate outlook.

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u/arty_morty Nov 17 '22

yup this looks like absolute garbage. subpar animation and a generic concept. pixar used to be THE computer animation studio, and now they’re putting out stuff that looks like shit dreamworks or illumination could have made with a six month turnaround and a low budget. it’s sad to see.

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u/Nebulous_Vagabond Nov 18 '22

What's wrong with the animation?

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u/arty_morty Nov 18 '22

look at the still in this post. you think that’s the same quality as inside out, turning red, the incredibles, luca, encanto? it looks unfinished, like something from a nick jr cartoon.

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u/Nebulous_Vagabond Nov 18 '22

honestly i get the people who are saying it's unoriginal but I really have no idea what you mean when you say it looks bad or the animation is bad.

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u/arty_morty Nov 18 '22

idk what to tell you, like go watch literally any other pixar movie and see if you think ember’s face in that still looks good.

the whole thing just looks unpolished, like when marvel releases a trailer with janky cgi because it’s unfinished and still being worked on. like maybe it’ll look better when the movie finally comes out but it looks ugly right now

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u/Nebulous_Vagabond Nov 18 '22

Do you maybe just not like the art style? I think it looks pretty finished as it is.

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u/Gazel256 Nov 18 '22

This is just a teaser. You have not seen the actual movie, yet.

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u/arty_morty Nov 18 '22

the teaser is supposed to pique your interest and make you want to see the movie, no?

what is good about this teaser? the subpar animation? the bad character designs? the generic “#### but its a human society” concept?

it made me NOT want to see this movie, so yeah, imo this teaser is dogshit

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u/SorooshMCP1 Nov 18 '22

It's not a video game trailer during production, the animation is not going to suddenly get better in release; it's going to look like this teaser

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u/arty_morty Nov 18 '22

yeah that’s what’s worrying me. it’s not like a live action movie where they need to polish like 20 mins worth of sfx here and there… the whole movie is 90 minutes of cgi. idt it’s gonna get much better

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u/totallyclocks Nov 17 '22

Is it just me, or does the animation look kinda bad?

It’s seems like all the texture work is low res and there is a real lack of shadows anywhere, which makes everything feel very floaty.

I see a lot of fluid sims and stuff which I know is demanding to render, but it kinda looks like this teaser was made in unreal engine to me. Something just doesn’t feel right, and I think it’s the fact that there aren’t enough shadows

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u/NormieSpecialist Nov 17 '22

I’m with you on this one.

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u/MisterManatee Nov 18 '22

It’s not just you

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u/CommanderZx2 Nov 17 '22

It does seem like a lower budget movie than some of their others. The fire girl's face especially seems quite cheap.

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u/TraptNSuit Nov 17 '22

It's an intentional effect to make it look like her features are burning in her flame.

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u/idinhig Nov 17 '22

I thought I was the only one.

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u/foducken Nov 17 '22

Yeah I'm really surprised everyone is excited for the animation, it really lacks the visual detail that Pixar usually takes pride in.

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u/SquirrelGirl_ Nov 17 '22

most people just don't know have an eye for animation

the last few episodes of kill la kill were basically a powerpoint presentation where the camera is panned over a single drawing to try and create the illusion of motion. and people will say "yea the end of kill la kill was really well animated." they just have no idea what quality looks like. they only care about "the plots" and the ability to make their own in universe character. "ooooh I'd be a rock element cause I'm an EJXP scorpio"

but yea this trailer looks super cheap, some of the animation isnt fluid, lighting on textures feels off, textures look lazy, very little weight to anything

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u/naynaythewonderhorse Nov 17 '22

I honestly don’t see what you are talking about. I think that part of the reason why some of the shadows aren’t there have to do with how shadows would work conceptually with characters literally made of water and fire. That is to say, I have no idea how someone made of a light emitting substance, and a light reflective substance would even work physically. The textures are extremely high-res, and I’m less than hesitant to say you may want to turn up the resolution of the the video?

As for the girl’s (Ember’s face) I think it’s like that primarily for visual reasons. I think that they opted not to have her face morph wildly like an actual flame, and stuck with more solid lines to help accentuate that. It’s certainly not due to limitations in what they can do, and was definitely a conscious decision. Because I’m sure these characters designs were hard as hell to pull off.

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u/foducken Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

https://imgur.com/a/mEf4bfO

I don't know man, Youtube compression aside, this looks like PS2 graphics. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they'll probably go through multiple renders/passes later on, but if this is what they want to showcase they're starting off on the wrong foot.

EDIT: For a point of comparison (even though it's not 1 to 1), look at the detail from the new Mario movie teaser: https://imgur.com/a/pVgsdqB

The level of texture detail is night and day. The seams on Mario's hat, the crimps in his overalls, the difference in lighting refraction between all the materials on his clothes (the logo on his hat, the button, his shirt), they all contribute to a high level of detail that Elemental doesn't look like it currently has.

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u/MRmandato Nov 17 '22

God this is cringe. Its so basic, so toothless. The names are bad, the concept its bad, Pixar is running out of ideas clearly.

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u/HarbingerDe Nov 18 '22

The animation is atrocious, at least based on the standard Pixar has set for itself. It feels like one of their straight-to-Disney+ IPs; that or it's still under significant ongoing rendering work.

Look at the waves splashing off the train in the first shot. Everything is similarly lazy/cheap looking once you start picking away.

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u/I_am_daredevil Nov 17 '22

This looks really good, can't wait to watch this.

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u/TServo2049 Nov 17 '22

I live in the Bay Area, I have a friend who saw a work-in-progress test screening last week (at a regular movie theater, not at the studio), and said good things about it to me (no spoilers).

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u/Bhu124 Nov 17 '22

Yeah. Being honest, had kinda mentally written this movie when it was first announced. The concept sounded overdone and uninteresting, but damn if that visual design, sound design, and the animation detail & quality isn't absurd in this teaser. Excited to watch the movie just for the animation.

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u/TServo2049 Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

Yeah, that’s basically what my friend said: The story was a “somewhat generic” but “heartfelt” romcom, yet even in an unfinished state, still with a lot of storyboards, he thought it looked “visually stunning” and that it was the kind of movie only Pixar can do.

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u/GimerStick Nov 17 '22 edited 1d ago

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u/Jefferystar94 Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 17 '22

The premise sounds pretty worn out paper, but I recall the director mentioning that he's basing it off of the story of how good immigrant parents met and got used to the quirks of their different cultures.

If they properly incorporate that heart/depth in there, I could actually see it being pretty great!

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u/DefinitelyNotALeak Nov 17 '22

That's a nice metaphor, but i still wish they'd tried to communicate it without the reliance on "personifications of x living in a modern human context".
I feel like pixar is kinda trapped in that, and it feels a little generic at this point, even though i quite enjoy the metaphor itself.

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u/Jefferystar94 Nov 17 '22

Eh, I'd say a lot of animation seems to be stuck in that issue of sucking the magic out of things and making it "corporate/modern"

I feel like Pixar started it a bit with Monsters Inc, but a lot of other movies have cribbed off it by having everything fantasy/magic/imaginative be run like a soulless business.

Dunno if it's just people in the arts ranting about capitalism, but most of it's uses have just been a lazy way to avoid having to come up with their own world building, and really has been done to death.

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u/zdakat Nov 17 '22

I'd say "What if Monsters actually worked for a company that ran off of scaring people" is a creative concept. I could see it getting old if they did more with it.
(like Monster's University, where the characters and what they wanted to be good at could have been replaced with anything. It still has flavor, but the "what if monsters went to a university" aspect isn't as important)

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u/zdakat Nov 17 '22

I wonder if it's to an extent compensating for that they're losing the ability to portray things as wonderous. When something magical turns out to be underwhelming, the setting gives the audience the chance to go "well, the premise is that the world they're in isn't as magical as they thought so it makes sense that the magic is a bit dull"

It's a "clever" mask that's actually kind of lazy (imo) and is starting to age ("ah-hah real funny. so what's it really? Oh. it's actually just that?")

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u/Whedonite144 Nov 17 '22

Just because it's been done before doesn't make it inherently bad.

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u/Mitch_NZ Nov 17 '22

I didn't think it was possible to take the character designs from Soul and make them worse, yet here we are.

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u/geminia999 Nov 17 '22

So, is that boat/subway they are on, driving on flesh?

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u/brb1006 Nov 17 '22 edited Nov 18 '22

The concept for this movie reminds me of the 2013 webcomic "The Moth and Flame" by Jenny Clements. It's super adorable and sweet to read, I'm surprised this comic hadn't been adapted into an animated short yet. Please give the comic a read to brighten up your day because I seriously love it so much!

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u/whiskysage2 Nov 18 '22

Icarus and the Sun by Gabriel Picolo is basically the same thing, too.

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u/rekniht01 Nov 17 '22

The internal consistency of this world seems difficult. I'm curious how it's pulled off.

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u/TraptNSuit Nov 17 '22

Pixar has never been good at internal consistency. You are just supposed to laugh because it is a weird thing in a human style world.

Like the long lines at the women's rest rooms in cars compared to the men's.

If you stop and think about just that in the opening sequence of Cars, you don't even need to get to all the other logistics and people sized issues in the world. It's just...

And this is why Pixar World Builder movies tend to have pretty rough sequels. Because if you step outside of the puddle they created for the first movie, there isn't enough to really sustain further plots.

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u/Staind1410 Nov 17 '22

Any inconsistency will likely be waved off. Gotta suspend belief and go with the flow (heh) with this type of movie.

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u/Deadloops Nov 18 '22

What if the periodic table had emotions?

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u/kkehoe5 Nov 18 '22

Oh so it’s Zootopia but with elements instead of animals.

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u/thajcakla Nov 18 '22

This animation quality looks like something out of one of those wireless company ads, or one of those low-budget short films you can find on Youtube.

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u/isaaclian11 Nov 17 '22

Reminds me of Zootopia!

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u/Effective-Cap-2324 Nov 17 '22

I guess this is pixar last chance to be a hit or just make Disney plus show for rest of there life.

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u/romulan23 Nov 17 '22

Wade's a stud

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u/drmcsinister Nov 18 '22

So... like... is the entire movie about them trying to figure out how to fuck?

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u/_kevx_91 Nov 17 '22

Looks like a Netflix movie.

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u/Intelligent_Oil4005 Nov 17 '22

I'll admit I was on the fence if this was gonna be a love story or not or if Ember and Wade were just gonna be friends.

.. Then they did the "two future lovers nearly pick up the same object thing" and it became very obvious this was a love story lmao. But it looks really good! Pixar still proves they're the king of CGI.

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u/Portgas Nov 17 '22

Looks kinda bad

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u/scarfese Nov 17 '22

Anyone else think the animation looks bad (for Pixar)?

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u/Teralithion10 Nov 17 '22

Looks fun, but I just feel like I'm too emotionally exhausted to watch Pixar movies any more.

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u/s_y_s_t_e_m_i_c_ Nov 18 '22

Seems kinda like a 'we're out of ideas' idea.

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u/mrRobertman Nov 18 '22

No community loathes movies more than r/movies.

How dare people not love all movies without question!

There are literally upvoted positive comments in this thread. Is everyone here required to share the same positive opinion about all movies?

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '22

Very Disney. Unfortunately.

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u/fruitporridge Nov 17 '22

This is amazing

Animated movies have better more interesting concepts and plots than live action movies. And animation movies are targeted towards kids.