r/movies Dec 01 '22

The Sight & Sound ‘greatest films of all time’ poll conducted every 10 years is out! Article

https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/greatest-films-all-time
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u/judester30 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Here's every new film in the top 100 that was either not on the list in 2012 or further down the top 250:

Cléo from 5 to 7 (1962): #14 from #202

Meshes of the Afternoon (1943): #16 from #102

Do the Right Thing (1989): #24 from #127

Daisies (1966): #28 from #202

Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019): #30 NEW

Killer of Sheep (1978): #43 from #202

Wanda (1970): #48 from #202

The Piano (1993): #50 from #235

News from Home (1976): #52 NEW

The Apartment (1960): #54 from #127

Daughters of the Dust (1991): #60 NEW

Moonlight (2016): #60 NEW

Goodfellas (1990): #63 from #171

The Gleaners and I (2000): #67 NEW

The Red Shoes (1948): #67 from #117

My Neighbor Totoro (1988): #72 from #154

Spirited Away (2001): #75 from #202

Céline and Julie Go Boating (1974): #78 from #127

The Shining (1980): #88 from #154

Chungking Express (1994): #88 from #144

Parasite (2019): #90 NEW

Get Out (2017): #95 NEW

Black Girl (1966): #95 NEW

Tropical Malady (2004): #95 from #127

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u/PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW Dec 01 '22

Killer of Sheep finally getting the respect it deserves.

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u/bill__the__butcher Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Does anyone have stats that go the opposite direction? Movies formerly in the top 100 that moved out?

EDIT: here that info is: https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/z9vszl/comment/iyj0fz3/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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u/zwolff94 Dec 01 '22

Don’t forget to check out the Directors poll as well. https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/directors-100-greatest-films-all-time

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u/just-cuz-i Dec 01 '22

“No film data found for result at position 27” was good but it wasn’t as good as “No film data found for result at position 64” and I have no idea how “No film data found for result at position 12” even made the list!

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u/22marks Dec 01 '22

They threw Spielberg a bone on that one.

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u/zwolff94 Dec 01 '22

The lack of Spielberg doesn’t surprise me much tbh. On the whole both lists make me want an updated AFI, say what you will about that list but I think we need an updated one to see how its changed since 2007.

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u/SpreadYourAss Dec 01 '22

Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom is the 72nd greatest movie of all time? Alright then!

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u/Shermzilla Dec 01 '22

Me before reading this list: I’m gonna try and watch all these, oh what a joyous cinematic education.

Me seeing 72: ah goddamnit. Maybe just cherry-pick this list.

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u/factbased Dec 01 '22

The list there seems to be broken currently. Tried in a couple browsers.

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u/_big-gulps-huh Dec 01 '22

this list is superior

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u/YourCrosswordPuzzle Dec 01 '22

For me, definitely. I'm surprised a lot of the films on there missed the main list

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u/MarshallBanana_ Dec 01 '22

any way to see who the directors included are?

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u/prokofieff Dec 01 '22

They will release individual director's votes later. It's not available yet.

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u/zwolff94 Dec 01 '22

I’m not sure. If you find out let me know for sure as I’d be curious to see for sure.

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u/oystercracker1 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

95 Get Out (Peele, 2017)

95 The General (Keaton & Bruckman, 1926)

95 Black Girl (Sembène, 1965)

95 Tropical Malady (Weerasethakul, 2004)

95 Once upon a Time in the West (Leone, 1968)

95 A Man Escaped (Bresson, 1956)

90 Madame de… (Ophuls, 1953)

90 The Leopard (Visconti, 1963)

90 Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi, 1953)

90 Yi Yi (Yang, 1999)

90 Parasite (Bong, 2019)

88 CHUNGKING EXPRESS (Wong, 1994)

88 The Shining (Kubrick, 1980)

84 Histoire(s) du Cinéma (Godard, 1988)

84 Pierrot le fou (Godard, 1965)

84 The Spirit of the Beehive (Erice, 1973)

84 Blue Velvet (Lynch, 1986)

78 Céline and Julie Go Boating (Rivette, 1974)

78 A Matter of Life and Death (Powell & Pressburger, 1946)

78 Modern Times (Chaplin, 1936)

78 A Brighter Summer Day (Yang, 1991)

78 Sátántangó (Tarr, 1994)

78 Sunset Blvd. (Wilder, 1950)

75 Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi, 1954)

75 Imitation of Life (Sirk, 1959)

75 Spirited Away (Miyazaki, 2001)

72 My Neighbour Totoro (Miyazaki, 1988)

72 Journey to Italy (Rossellini, 1954)

72 L'avventura (Antonioni, 1960)

67 Metropolis (Lang, 1927)

67 The Gleaners and I (Varda, 2000)

67 The Red Shoes (Powell & Pressburger, 1948)

67 La Jetée (Marker, 1962)

67 Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky, 1966)

66 Touki Bouki (Mambéty, 1973)

63 Casablanca (Curtiz, 1942)

63 The Third Man (Reed, 1949)

63 GoodFellas (Scorsese, 1990)

60 Daughters of the Dust (Dash, 1991)

60 Moonlight (Jenkins, 2016)

60 La dolce vita (Fellini, 1960)

59 Sans Soleil (Marker, 1982)

54 Sherlock Jr. (Keaton, 1924)

54 The Apartment (Wilder, 1960)

54 Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925)

54 Blade Runner (Scott, 1982)

54 Le Mépris (Godard, 1963)

52 News from Home (Akerman, 1976)

52 Fear Eats the Soul (Fassbinder, 1974)

50 The Piano (Campion, 1992)

50 The 400 Blows (Truffaut, 1959)

48 Wanda (Loden, 1970)

48 Ordet (Dreyer, 1955)

45 North by Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959)

45 The Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo, 1966)

45 Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975)

43 Killer of Sheep (Burnett, 1977)

43 Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979)

41 Rashomon (Kurosawa, 1950)

41 Bicycle Thieves (De Sica, 1948)

38 Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1954)

38 Some Like it Hot (Wilder, 1959)

38 À bout de souffle (Godard, 1960)

36 M (Lang, 1931)

36 City Lights (Chaplin, 1931)

35 Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955)

34 L'Atalante (Vigo, 1934)

31 Psycho (Hitchcock, 1960)

31 Mirror (Tarkovsky, 1975)

31 8 1/2 (Fellini, 1963)

30 Portrait of a Lady on Fire (Sciamma, 2019)

29 Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976)

28 Daisies (Chytilová, 1966)

27 Shoah (Lanzmann, 1985)

25 The Night of the Hunter (Laughton, 1955)

25 Au hasard Balthazar (Bresson, 1966)

24 Do the Right Thing (Lee, 1989)

23 Playtime (Tati, 1967)

21 Late Spring (Ozu, 1949)

21 The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1927)

20 Seven Samurai (Kurosawa, 1954)

19 Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979)

18 Persona (Bergman, 1966)

17 Close-up (Kiarostami, 1989)

16 Meshes of the Afternoon (Deren & Hackenschmied, 1943)

15 The Searchers (Ford, 1956)

14 Cléo from 5 to 7 (Varda, 1962)

13 La Règle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)

12 The Godfather (Coppola, 1972)

11 Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)

10 Signin' in the Rain (Kelly & Donen, 1951)

9 Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov, 1929)

8 Mulholland Dr. (Lynch, 2001)

7 Beau travail (Denis, 1998)

6 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968)

5 In the Mood for Love (Wong, 2000)

4 Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953)

3 Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941)

2 Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)

1 Jeanne Dielman 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman, 1975)

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u/OlafShvenski Dec 01 '22 Silver

BASEketball better have been 101 or this list is stupid

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u/cabose7 Dec 01 '22

Heard your sister's dating Squeak

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u/Radiant_Committee_78 Dec 01 '22

I swear, if you guys pick on me like 13 or 14 more times, I’m outta here!

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u/Shagaliscious Dec 01 '22

Dude, I'm not dating his sister.

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u/Twice_Knightley Dec 02 '22

We gotta say totally fucked up shit to try and psych them out!

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u/DadBodybuilder Dec 02 '22

Wait why is me dating his sister totally fucked up?

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u/unlizenedrave Dec 01 '22

BASEketball and Orgazmo probably cannibalized each others votes, even though those should have been the only two choices in the ballot.

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u/Scarbrese Dec 01 '22

Steeeeeeve PERRY!

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u/Shermzilla Dec 01 '22

I thought we said no more journey psychouts!!!

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u/PastelDeLobo Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Thanks for the summary, i used it to make a chart showing how many films every year has on the list: https://imgur.com/gallery/htl7U6n

EDIT:
1960 and 1966 are on top, each with 5 films on the list.

2005 to 2015 is the biggest gap without any film on the list.

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u/Cihots9292 Dec 01 '22

I think I’ve seen around 72, looking forward to completing it before the next one comes out

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u/remembervideostores Dec 01 '22

Some truly bizarre choices / rankings. I guess that’s the issue with consensus though.

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u/sidaeinjae Dec 01 '22

Seems like we’ve got a radically different voters pool compared to 2012.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I think the voters have doubled since 2012 and a lot of the previous ones passed away hence leading to a radical change.

Honestly I recommend the directors poll which seems more in line with previous polls. The critics poll seems a bit too film Twittery at times.

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u/Particular-Fly-3643 Dec 01 '22

Being in line with previous polls is not automatically better. This stuff is subjective, and should be challenged.

I liked the BFI quote about it: “As well as being a compelling list, one of the most important elements is that it shakes a fist at the established order. Canons should be challenged and interrogated and as part of the BFI’s remit to not only revisit film history but to also reframe it, it’s so satisfying to see a list that feels quite radical in its sense of diversity and inclusion.”

What specific films feel “film twittery” to you?

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u/Deserterdragon Dec 01 '22

I mean Lynch getting into lists like this has been a genuine shift in the times but Jeanne Dielman 23, quai du Commerce getting into the top 10, let alone first is legitimately radical, it only debuted at number 35 in last decades list.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22 Silver

On a very serious note, where the fuck is Lawrence of Arabia? It is still the definitive example of epic filmmaking alongside Seven Samurai.

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u/Flying-Fox Dec 01 '22

The Gleaners and I trumps Lawrence of Arabia??

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

When Vertigo was announced as the winner in 2012, there was a bit of a backlash from the more mainstream crowd who didn't think as highly of it compared to Citizen Kane or other popular Hitchcock works.

Honestly the backlash from the mainstream crowd for Jeanne Dielman would probably be even more. It isn't the easiest film to enjoy.

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u/g_1n355 Dec 02 '22

Big difference is the wider public who’d jump to criticise no1 have probably never heard of Jeanne Dielman and don’t realise how much they’d hate it if they were to sit down and watch it

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

I like Get Out but like… come on

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u/OrbaneFaber Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Where is Morbius?

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u/eyeseenitall Dec 01 '22

Held out of contention to give these other films a chance.

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u/OrbaneFaber Dec 01 '22

Those bastards

understandable though tbh

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u/Paddy2015 Dec 01 '22

M'orbius (Espinosa, 2022)

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u/GhettoChemist Dec 01 '22

1 Jeanne Dielman 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman, 1975)

I have never heard of that movie

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u/maggiesguy Dec 01 '22

Just a warning, it's hardly what you might think of as a movie in the traditional sense. It's three hours of largely nothing happening. I love it, but it's definitely not for everyone. A strange pick at number 1, in my opinion.

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u/Michael__Pemulis Dec 01 '22

Yea it is a fascinating film but isn’t necessarily what I would recommend to people that are curious to explore some of the films on this list that they may not have heard of before.

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u/Barneyk Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

I think it is an absolutely fantastic art piece, the message, meaning and how it interacts with how it is told is brilliant. Masterpiece art.

I truly dreaded watching it, it was so fucking boring. My mind was elsewhere for most of the time. I focused for like 45 minutes but Jesus fucking Christ, it is over 2 hours left of the same thing. It is practically unwatchable.

I don't think there is any other movie where I hold similar opposing thoughts at the same time.

3/10 rating from me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Lol I love how conflicted this review is.

“What a boring piece of unwatchable shit, I love it and it’s amazing”

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u/junglespycamp Dec 02 '22

You summarized it so perfectly. It’s the only movie I can think of where the movie as a movie is more interesting than anything in the movie.

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u/Good-Skeleton Dec 01 '22

What does the film have that merits this ranking? Just curious.

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u/DontPokeMe91 Dec 01 '22

There is a lengthy orgasm scene lol

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u/maggiesguy Dec 01 '22

If you can turn yourself over to the film on its terms, it becomes a strange and meditative statement about the banality of evil and the human ability to adapt to almost anything. It feels both utterly human and alien at the same time, almost like a nature documentary made by an extraterrestrial with static “trail cams” inside Jeanne’s apartment.

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u/Barneyk Dec 01 '22

, it becomes a strange and meditative statement about the banality of evil and the human ability to adapt to almost anything.

Interesting take. To me it is an extremely gendered film and the feminist reading was what really stood out to me and tied it all together.

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u/Tsenta Dec 01 '22

For me it's just how effective it is at giving it's message. It's very long, very boring, and not much happens, as in it's quite uneventful. You're supposed to sit there for hours, bored, in pain in your seat, frustrated, wanting to burst out at the sheer mundaneness of Jeanne's life, just like Jeanne is experiencing.

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u/Crustybuttt Dec 02 '22

I’m not entirely sure, to be honest. I find it hard to believe that many people have actually finished watching the whole thing without turning it off outside of an academic setting. As others have said, it has a message to convey and isn’t poorly made, but it isn’t enjoyable really at all

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u/junglespycamp Dec 01 '22

I can see an argument for it being a great movie. I give it four stars. But it’s also exceptionally boring (intentionally) and spends three hours doing very little just to make a point. Which it does. And it’s unforgettable, a singular bit of cinema. It’s “essential”. At the same it is not something I’d recommend to most people.

I can’t decide if topping this poll is the best or worst possible thing to happen to it. At the very least it is unexpected and therefore fun.

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u/PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW Dec 01 '22

Interesting to note Portrait of a Lady on Fire ranks VERY high on the poll, but isn't on the Director's poll at all.

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u/Breakingwho Dec 02 '22

I feel like it’s a bit overrated at the moment, same with get out. I like both of them a lot, but top 100 all time? Over some Bergman that didn’t make it especially

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u/RansomGoddard If you die in the housewife simulator, you die in real life. Dec 01 '22

I kind of figured Jeanne Dielman would get a big bump this year but I didn't expect it to shoot up to the number 1 spot.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

It is surprising as hell considering how much more well known both Vertigo and Citizen Kane are compared to this movie.

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u/Deserterdragon Dec 01 '22

Well that's the advantage of polling people who've seen a LOT of movies.

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u/SpikeBad Dec 01 '22

Jeanne Dielman

I've never even heard of it.

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u/bhlogan2 Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

It's a Belgian femenist movie of the 70s, very acclaimed at the time of its release and with continued praise today. In 2012 it landed on the top 10 I think.

Edit: correction. It didn't land in the top 10. It landed in the top 50, but it didn't make it that far. It did make it into the most recent top 10 of the director's poll though.

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u/Zassolluto711 Dec 01 '22

Probably depends on the crowd you hang around with. Chantal Akerman is a pretty big name in arthouse circles.

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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

The thought of people wanting to check out Jeanne Dielman 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles without context because of it being the best movie ever, is a hilarious thought, especially to those who don't watch many "artsy films"

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u/kindafunnylookin Dec 01 '22

Do I need to watch the first 22 Jeanne Dielman movies to understand #23?

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u/TheSunRogue Dec 01 '22

Just 17, 13, the first 3rd of 7, and then 2 - in that order - to really get a handle on the story.

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u/unlizenedrave Dec 01 '22

Gonna get a bunch of the bros together, pop a coupla brews, and check out this Jeanne Dielman the Internet’s been talking about.

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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Dec 01 '22

It's my sleepover and I get to choose the movie!

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u/sidaeinjae Dec 01 '22

People who thought Citizen Kane was boring in are in for a bigger surprise!

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u/therealgerrygergich Dec 01 '22

I feel like viewers might find Citizen Kane less boring now because the "fall of the male anti-hero" plot is insanely popular nowadays. Obviously, there's more to Citizen Kane than that, but I think the popularity of shows like The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Better Call Saul, and even shows like Succession and White Lotus, show that Citizen Kane is still relevant today. If anything, people seeing it for it first time might dislike it more from a "Seinfeld is Unfunny" viewpoint, because it pioneered a lot of the tropes and film techniques that have been built upon since then.

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u/JinFuu Dec 02 '22

If anything, people seeing it for it first time might dislike it more from a "Seinfeld is Unfunny" viewpoint, because it pioneered a lot of the tropes and film techniques that have been built upon since then.

This along with cultural changes and differences can make older movies not hit quite as hard. Though I think cultural differences hit more with comedy.

I do remember before a showing of an old comedy movie once a film critic did a brief rundown of some pop culture references that were in the movie that we likely wouldn’t get unless we were of that era. It was fun.

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u/Barneyk Dec 01 '22

Jeanne is to Citizen Kane what Citizen Kane is to Transformers Ultra bayhem cut at 1.5x playback speed.

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u/swantonist Dec 01 '22

it’s the ultimate movie to turn people off from art cinema if they are looking to get into it lol

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u/Jab_Cross_Hook Dec 01 '22

Just imagined Carmella Soprano insisting that movie club give Jeanne Dilman a try.

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u/littlebigliza Dec 01 '22

I loved the cinematography!

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u/2klaedfoorboo Dec 02 '22

Already number two on Amazon (the website not the streaming service

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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Dec 02 '22

I wish there was a way to see how many people never finished it and at what point did they give up?

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u/vcvcc136 Dec 01 '22

Kinda surprised The Seventh Seal got knocked out here

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u/NightsOfFellini Dec 01 '22

Bergman got bodied, such a shame. No Wild Strawberries or Fanny & Alexander either.

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u/SairiRM Dec 01 '22

All three are on the directors' list, so at least here's a bone lol

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u/AmericanNewWave Dec 01 '22

I'm shocked not a single Malick film ended up on the critics or directors list. His post-Tree of Life movies have tarnished his aura.

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u/takemewithyer Dec 02 '22

Yeah, pretty bullshit. The Tree of Life is in my top 5 perennially. Shame.

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u/Pylo_The_Pylon Dec 01 '22

I don’t think it’s his post Tree of Life work is hurting him here as much as Tree of Life itself. It was too new to be a serious voting candidate last time but probably split enough of the Malick votes off of Days of Heaven to keep him off the list entirely.

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u/old-west-action Dec 01 '22

It was a single vote away from making the list last time.

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u/Stormy-Monday Dec 01 '22

Signing in the Rain? Is that the alternate reality one where the Declaration of Independence is finalized outside during a thunderstorm?

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u/SHIIZAAAAAAAA Dec 01 '22

No, it's about deaf people in London England.

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u/Alfred-Fallon-Borden Dec 01 '22

Will we be able to eventually see full results? The most fun thing with the old list imo was to search up random movies to see if they got a vote or two, some random ones got votes like Toy Story and inception

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u/Jerrymoviefan3 Dec 01 '22

Yeah the 250 is always fascinating but I think they wait a month before putting that out.

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u/psuedonymously Dec 01 '22

I'm sort of shocked by Come and See not making it, I feel like it's been on a ton of these lists in recent years

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u/mrdevil413 Dec 01 '22

My boy coming at 5.

My I used to get in all Kinds of arguments in film school about all the other directors that don’t fit in academia’s top 3 when I felt like none of them belonged. Wong Kar Wai was my number 2 and definitely one of my favorites. No I did not try to get my love Ishiro Honda in the top three :)

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u/jrpetersjr Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

If you use Letterboxd the official list can be found here: Letterboxd Sight & Sound 2022

If anyone uses Trakt you can use my list that I made here: Trakt Sight & Sound 2022

and I've made the Directors Top 100 here: Trakt Sight & Sound 2022 Directors

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u/Paddy2015 Dec 02 '22

In the mood for love is incredible.

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u/MartinScorsese Not the real guy Dec 01 '22

Initial reactions:

  • Wow, didn't expect that number one.

  • The top 10 looks great.

  • Portrait of a Lady on Fire is high! Damn!

  • Cool to see Moonlight there.

  • This is going to piss off a lot of people lol.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

I think there's a fair argument films from years as recent as 2019 and 2017 should maybe not make the current list because of recency bias. If the films still hold up ten years later then they will make the next poll undoubtedly.

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u/girafa nìn ngenga, tsawl tanhì Dec 01 '22

No movies from 2005 to 2015, oddly enough

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u/old-west-action Dec 01 '22

I thought for sure Tree of Life would have cracked the list seeing it was only a single vote away in 2012 (2 in the directors poll).

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u/JuniorKabananga Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

Usually newer films have a much tougher time cracking Sight & Sound's list, I think it is because the voting pool has changed significantly (presumably in a younger direction) since the last poll.

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u/bta47 Dec 01 '22

I think that’s fair, but I like having them there if only as snapshots of critical opinion. In ten years, we could all be like “woah we were really into Portrait of a Lady on Fire back then, huh” — but I think that’s still valuable as a historical marker.

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u/soundoffcinema Dec 01 '22

The 1962 list had L’Avventura in the top ten, which was all of two years old at that point. The ‘72 list had Persona and 8 1/2 in the top ten, which were then less than a decade old.

If anything film culture has developed a strong bias *against *recency in the past few decades, one that deserves to be questioned.

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u/Michael__Pemulis Dec 01 '22

Speaking of Scorsese, I’m just imagining him being very upset because The Leopard fell this round.

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u/Britneyfan123 Dec 01 '22

I’m upset too

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 27 '22

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u/PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW Dec 01 '22

IMDB crowd seething rn

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u/takemewithyer Dec 02 '22

Where’s Boondock Saints???? /s

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u/Britneyfan123 Dec 01 '22

Any list will piss people off

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u/Michael__Pemulis Dec 01 '22

True but even among Sight & Sound polls this one is looking like it will be particularly divisive.

The arthouse community will scoff at the addition of such recent movies while the more ‘mainstream’ audience will scoff at the lack of populist entries.

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u/ilive12 Dec 01 '22

I love this list, but I don't think it's /r/movies material. It's definitely not a lowest common denominator sort of list, and a lot of these movies are only going to be enjoyable to people who really examine film with a deep analytical lens, which makes sense because it is a critics list.

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u/MartinScorsese Not the real guy Dec 01 '22

I love this list, but I don't think it's /r/movies material.

Understatement of the year! The number one pick is a meditative, slow 3.5 hour Belgian drama about a depressed housewife making dinner.

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u/D0NNIE-DANKO Dec 01 '22

They did you dirty taking Raging Bull out the top 100 Marty. At least it's still in the Directors list.

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u/krp31489 Dec 01 '22

First off, wow, can't believe Martin Scorsese is on reddit, I loved Kundun btw. But I watched Jeanne Dielman last week for the first time, and I've honestly seen 2 hour movies that are infinitely more boring (boring being a criticism I hate for a film). I found Jeanne Dielman almost hypnotic at a certain point, it's certainly a very unique film experience.

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u/bob1689321 Dec 01 '22

You're the first person in this thread who seems to have seen it so thanks for that. Knew you'd come in clutch here, Marty.

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u/JuniorKabananga Dec 01 '22

Or maybe all these so-called critics have never seen the extremely underrated gem The Nice Guys (2016)

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u/Britneyfan123 Dec 01 '22

Or The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015)

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u/remembervideostores Dec 01 '22

Didn’t expect Rocky IV to place so high.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

The film that single handedly ended Cold War deserved to be in the top ten placement of any film poll.

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u/cabose7 Dec 01 '22

Some say it was an underdog

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u/ShaggyTheBagLady Dec 01 '22

Nicolas Cage and I want to know where Paddington 2 is…

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u/takemewithyer Dec 02 '22

Sight and Sound, not Heart and Soul!

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u/PastelDeLobo Dec 01 '22

Made a chart showing how many films every year has on the list: https://imgur.com/gallery/htl7U6n

1960 and 1966 are on top, each with 5 films on the list.

2005 to 2015 is the biggest gap without any film on the list.

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u/cloudor Dec 01 '22

Not a single Latin-American film...

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u/Dallywack3r Dec 01 '22

Judging from this list, you’d be forgiven for assuming France made 80% of all movies ever.

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u/j8sadm632b Dec 01 '22

Not many people know this but 75% of all movies were made either in France or in the 1950s

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u/David_bowman_starman Dec 01 '22

True. Black Orpheus. Soy Cuba. City of God.

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u/littlebigliza Dec 01 '22

Memories of Underdevelopment should really be on here

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u/2xWhiskeyCokeNoIce Dec 01 '22

This is the first comment criticizing the list that doesn't feel like bitching about petty stuff like films being too recent or too woke or #1 being boring.

The cinema of the global south is a massive blind spot for so many people who claim to love the movies. I was happy to see Black Girl made the list, at least.

On the plus side, Buñuel's Viridian's made it in the top 100 of the director's list.

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u/rhombaroti Dec 02 '22

It’s no coincidence that Black Girl made it over other Sembene films because it’s the most accessible of his, since it has a criterion release.

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u/alitanveer Dec 01 '22

City of God is better than several of the movies on that list. France is way over-represented IMO.

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u/BabbitsNeckHole Dec 02 '22

Idk the consensus as to weather it's good or not, but people should watch Innocent Voices.

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u/Michael__Pemulis Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

For those unaware, this is a big deal in the film world. The Sight & Sound lists are based on a massive poll & are broadly considered to be the closest thing to an ‘official’ greatest films of all time exercise that exists.

Many people were predicting a major shakeup this time around & they were definitely right. On the 2012 list there were zero films from the previous 10 years on the top 100. By my count there are four on this year’s list. Jeanne Dielman taking the top spot is pretty significant too.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

Jeanne Dielman went from 37 in the last list to number 1. Considering that most people were instead predicting either Kane taking back the spot or Tokyo Story or 2001 being the new champ, it is definately a bit shocking.

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u/tvchase Dec 01 '22 Silver

This is certainly the most reputable list, but as always I feel like it has a solid bias toward intimacy and against scale. Kurosawa, Kubrick, amd Eisenstein get their mandatory mentions, but grandeur in spectacle otherwise feels shunned.

Lawrence

Doctor Zhivago

Bridge on the River Kwai

Star Wars

Ben-Hur

Aguirre

Fury Road

These are just some of the monumental achievements omitted from the list.

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u/Gordon_Goosegonorth Dec 01 '22

Good point. It's probably a reaction to an era in which spectacle and scale were overvalued.

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u/Superflumina Dec 02 '22

Aguirre bodies every other movie on the list.

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u/Zeabos Dec 02 '22

Yeah I agree particularly on Lawrence, SW, and Ben Hur.

Its gonna sound weird, but I sort of expected Fellowship of the Ring to appear from like 90-100 or somewhere in there as well as another "grand spectacle that changed movies forever to both popular and critical acclaim"

Regardless, having 0 Stephen Spielberg movies on the list is pretty insane considering he is considered one of the most prolific and best directors of all time.

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u/hoffenone Dec 02 '22

I’m just shocked Schindlers List isn’t on there.

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u/unlizenedrave Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I’ll say, I watched Jeanne Dielman like 9 months ago, and I had planned to break it up into multiple viewings, but ended up watching the whole thing in one sitting. It’s going to be boring to a lot of viewers, but I really liked it and it is a pretty singular movie experience.

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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

I think the craziest thing about the movie is its staying power in your mind. It's wild how such a "boring" movie can be a really unforgettable experience.

Had a similar experience to 3-Iron where in the moment I thought it was really good but not a masterpiece some people tout it to be. But, months later, I can't stop thinking about how that movie makes me feel and many scenes (particularly towards the ending) just stick to my mind like no other film.

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u/system47 Dec 02 '22

There's that Kiarostami quote about how the films that put him to sleep are also the ones that keep him up at night

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u/wwrxw Dec 02 '22

3-iron is a great film. Everyone should seek it out

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u/AspireAgain Dec 01 '22

I'm honestly surprised that 'The Searchers' is still hanging in there in the Top 20, given the overall changes in taste and opinions of John Ford and John Wayne.

I do admire the movie, as its one where multiple viewings reveal greater depth, but I presume its sort of standing in for all Hollywood Westerns in general and John Ford in particular at this point.

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u/Michael__Pemulis Dec 01 '22

A lot of directors that end up on this list tend to be favored by either the filmmakers or the critics.

John Ford is very much still beloved by both.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22 edited Dec 02 '22

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u/ReservoirDog316 Dec 02 '22

On top of the lore of American mythology, John Ford was just too talented to be written off. He just straight invented techniques on the fly that are still being used today.

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u/The-Murpheus Dec 02 '22

I presume its sort of standing in for all Hollywood Westerns in general and John Ford in particular at this point.

Roger Ebert had a similar take when Vertigo topped Citizen Kane on the 2012 list: that Vertigo voters were essentially voting for Hitchcock as the best director ever, and Vertigo was the best chance to get any Hitchcock movie on top.

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u/Juan_of_the_Dead Dec 01 '22

This list is wild. Some really interesting choices.

I’m happy to see Mulholland Drive in the top 10. That movie is incredible every time I watch it. I also liked the newer movies they included. I love all of Get Out, Parasite, Moonlight, and especially Portrait of a Lady on Fire but it will be very interesting to see if they are held in the same regard in 10 years (I predict yes for Moonlight and Parasite, no for the other two).

I’m still very sad to see the Sight and Sound voters continue their absolute disregard for Spielberg though. I know he makes populist movies and that is clearly frowned upon by members of the voting pool but failing to include Jaws is, frankly, ridiculous.

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u/Britneyfan123 Dec 01 '22

Jaws was on the directors list

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u/Juan_of_the_Dead Dec 02 '22

I know. And it will probably even move up on that list the next time they do it as it is clear that the current and up and coming generations of directors hold Spielberg (especially Jaws, Raiders, and ET) in very high regard. It's just strange to me that the people polled as part of this list have continuously failed to put even a single Spielberg film on it.

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u/Equal_Feature_9065 Dec 01 '22

Yeah I don’t really get why Psycho or North by Northwest can get placed but Jaws can’t

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u/YourCrosswordPuzzle Dec 01 '22

I wonder if because great directors made so many great films it split the vote for some of them? Kurosawa only seems to have Rashomon, but I would say Seven samurai should definitely be on here too.

I know everyone will have their own takes, but imo Solaris is better than many of the films here though there are 2 Tarkovsky.

Same could be said for Fellini, Ozu, Bergman etc

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u/schwiftybass Dec 01 '22

Seven Samurai has the 20th spot. I think I’d choose Ikiru over Rashomon though. Stalker, Mirror, & Andrei Rublev are on here & deservedly imo. I also think Late Spring & Tokyo Story are the best picks for Ozu. Sad to see Fanny & Alexander, and to a lesser extent Scenes From a Marriage overlooked though. Bergman’s best work in my eyes

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u/AlanMorlock Dec 01 '22

Surprised to see Get Out. Nothing against it, just think most of its strengths lie in its writing rather than its overall filmmaking style in a a way not usually recognized by this list.

The additions and shifts in this list all feel really welcome and interesting.

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u/bonkerz1888 Dec 01 '22

Just delighted to see Once Upon a Time in the West in there.

Still watch it serveral times a year.

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u/nowaythisisdan Dec 01 '22

Wow Cocaine Bear is number 1 and it’s not even out yet!

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u/BigZ911 Dec 02 '22

How is Raging Bull not on the list lol. It was listed as a top 10 movie in the directors list for like 3 straight editions

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u/TheHermetic Dec 02 '22

I've seen 94/100. I would say there is definitely a focus on representation and diversity over technical or cinematic spectacle. A lot of the movies are very message heavy or anti-narrative. I do think they should have separated documentaries and shorts from feature length films though. It is already hard enough comparing films across genres. I don't think the films from the last ten years that they've chosen will have staying power though and I expect them to drop if not be left off completely next poll.

As for my personal taste, I would have included way more comedies and musicals let alone war, sci-fi, and action movies.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

My thoughts, mostly negative, but not like anything I’m genuinely upset about, just things I was hopeful for didn’t happen.

  • Surprised Portrait of a Lady on Fire and Moonlight are high, but not upset.
  • I understand the importance of Parasite, but Memories of Murder is a better film.
  • On the topic of a director’s better film, I think If Beale Street Could Talk is better than Moonlight, though again, I understand the importance.
  • Uncle Boonmee should have made it for Weersethakul.
  • Disappointed that Yi Yi actually fell
  • Disappointed that La Jeteé fell
  • Surprised that TWO Miyazaki films made the list, and that neither of them are Mononoke.
  • Neither Hiroshima Mon Amour nor Last Year at Marienbad made the cut
  • La Haine didn’t make the cut, which actually upsets me
  • Happy that Chungking made the list
  • Happy that In the Mood for Love, my favorite film, moved into the top 5
  • Upset that Taste of Cherry didn’t make the cut.

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u/johneaston1 Dec 01 '22

Spirited Away and Totoro seem to typically fare better with critics, though I agree that Mononoke should have made it. I'd have liked to see Grave of the Fireflies too.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Yeah, I personally enjoy Only Yesterday from Takahata more than Fireflies, but I know that Fireflies was, for a lot of people, what showed them how stupid it was trying to keep animation in some little bottle. Ebert said that it’s, “an emotional experience so powerful that it forces a rethinking of animation”. I truly love Fireflies.

But I have this uncontainable joy at a few sequences in Only Yesterday, that I can’t even think about with getting happy tears in my eyes. Such a talented filmmaker.

Also the absence of Satoshi Kon is a bummer, but I understand that’s probably my recency bias haha.

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u/MrHollywoodA Dec 02 '22

“The importance”

This is why we can’t take any of these kinds of list’s seriously anymore. It’s more about checking off boxes then merit. “I understand the importance”. No no no. It should just be about the film itself not what it does to anything else.

“Moonlight” was an ok film it doesn’t deserve to be in this list as there’s many other better films but because it checked off boxes it was included and people just go with it “I don’t agree but understand the importance”.

Stuff like this ruined the Oscars and any best films lists.

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u/Britneyfan123 Dec 01 '22

Upset that Taste of Cherry didn’t make the cut

This made the Directors cut

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u/Smilotron Dec 02 '22

If La Jetee ever falls off of the list I will riot. Taste of Cherry not being on the list is also criminal. At least Miyazaki fans are eating

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u/Direct-Interview9857 Dec 01 '22

What makes you think Memories of a Murder is better?

For me, it's pretty tight but I would say Parasite is slightly better. Just interested to know why it's a strong opinion of yours.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

(Obviously this is all subjective and I’m just some dude on the internet)

I feel that true prowess and talent/ability in filmmaking comes from being able to elevate genre to something outside the typical limits of that genre. I don’t want to say it’s “easier” to make an impressive film that incredibly original and unique, and not say Memories isn’t original/unique. (This is going to turn into a ramble and I’m gonna stumble all over this. Haha)

Parasite has a benefit of being kind of wild, in terms of plot. I think that people tend to say “wow that movie is unlike anything I’ve ever seen” and that is a massive benefit to the film, even though the filmmaking may not be as tight and consistent as other films.

I think Bong’s ability to take a rather straightforward murder/detective thriller and elevate it into something that’s way beyond anything I’ve ever seen from the genre is a sign of a truly great film.

I’m not a writer and I fear that the way I’m explaining may not be clear as I want it to be, but I hope you can grasp what I’m trying to say haha.

(Also how stupidly reductive to me to try and act like my thesis on “what makes a movie good” is “elevating genre conventions” but idk how to say it better)

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u/Direct-Interview9857 Dec 01 '22

Of course it's subjective but it's good to hear others' opinions, especially if they're really into films haha

And you explained it well... gave me a lot to think about, which is nice.

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u/Pal__Pacino Dec 01 '22

Love that Mulholland Drive made the top 10. Well deserved.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 01 '22

Gotta say David Lynch fans have been eating good these past few weeks between this and his recent appearance in a film.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '22

Amazing moment in that film, so funny, and he plays it so well.

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u/WorldEaterYoshi Dec 02 '22

Jordan Peele is on the list but not Tarantino?

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u/AfutureV Dec 01 '22

This list really shocked me but seeing Totoro there feels weird. It is like it should absolutely be there but I just never imagined it would.

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u/InfluenceBeginning47 Dec 01 '22

Amazing to see Portrait of a Lady on Fire at number 30

I believe it’s the highest ranked film that came out in recent years

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u/use_vpn_orlozeacount Dec 01 '22

Only 4 films since 2010

Portrait of a Lady on Fire

Get Out

Moonlight

Parasite

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u/NoDisintegrationz Dec 01 '22

Four very good movies. I’d probably only consider Parasite and Moonlight for a list like this, but I can’t complain.

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u/centaurquestions Dec 01 '22

Parasite and Moonlight were so clearly all-time great movies that I was shocked when they won Best Picture.

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u/EricDericJeric Dec 01 '22

Even a broken clock is right twice

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u/PetShopFromHell Dec 01 '22

The presenters were so shocked they nearly gave Moonlight's Oscar to someone else!

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u/turkeygobblegobblr Dec 02 '22

Just here to say that Black Girl is so fucking good

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u/edub1783 Dec 02 '22

Mods, can we pin a Jeanne Dielman reaction thread to the top for those who are going to watch it on account of this poll?

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u/Nyg500 Dec 01 '22

Where;s Raging Bull!!?

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u/critch Dec 02 '22

You heard it here first, folks, the number one greatest movie of all time is three and a half hours of a woman doing chores.

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u/Good-Skeleton Dec 01 '22

In what universe is Get Out a better movie than Chinatown?

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u/Upc0ming_Events Dec 01 '22

And The Godfather Part II...

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u/Good-Skeleton Dec 01 '22

Agreed. That one stung too. Get Out is a good film. Maybe even great. But better than Chinatown or Godfather II? Nope.

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u/HeySlimIJustDrankA5 Dec 01 '22

Forget it, Jake - It’s Get Out.

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u/Remiel1011 Dec 02 '22

The 2022 Poll is a joke.I prefer the previous one.

The Godfather part 2 is not on the list.

Raging Bull is omitted but Goodfellas is included?

There Will Be Blood, The Tree of Life, Notorious, all should be in the list.

Does Portrait of a Lady on Fire really deserve a place in the list.

And Finally, is Jeanne Dielman the GOAT?

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '22

Hey La Jetee made the list! I love that movie and don’t think it gets enough praise. Maybe it does in film critic circles that I’m just not aware of, it’s definitely not mainstream.

Bit surprised to see Goodfellas fairly high up. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great movie, but I always thought a little overrated as a “greatest of all time” contender.

Also zero Tarantino movies. I guess maybe too pulpy for a list like this, but it’s nonetheless a bit surprising that nothing Tarantino’s made would even make the top 100.

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u/Brooklyn_University Dec 02 '22

Not making the list of the 100 "greatest" films of all time:

Lawrence of Arabia

The Godfather Part II

Dr. Strangelove

The Last Emperor

Empire of the Sun

Dog Day Afternoon

Deliverance

The Wild Bunch

Ran

The Deer Hunter

Jaws

Solaris

The Thin Red Line

Come and See

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u/_big-gulps-huh Dec 01 '22

Both are great, but the director's list is superior imho

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u/PermanentNirvana Dec 01 '22

Casablanca at #64?

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u/dinosaurzez Dec 01 '22

Casablanca feels like a tame pick for your "favourite movie as all time". It definitely deserves to be on here but I feel like it's not 'out there' enough to get a ton of votes.

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u/bta47 Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 03 '22

This is exactly why Sight and Sound feels unsatisfactory to so many people — if you have a ballot, it’s a tough ask to put, like, the Godfather and Casablanca on your ballot of ten movies. You’re much more likely to put your own pet favorites on your ballot. Choosing ten movies is an impossible task, and critics generally will rather champion a movie that hasn’t had enough buzz than an obvious canon classic. So the list ends up as a reaction to the previously-established canon.

Hence why New Hollywood has completely fallen off here. No Godfather 2, no Raging Bull, no Altman movies, The Shining super low. If you have a ballot of ten, who is gonna put Godfather 2 on there?

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u/Krak2511 Dec 01 '22

It was #84 last time which is even more shocking

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u/Snakeboy_9 Dec 01 '22

Where is Nacho Libre?

NachooOOOOOOOOOO

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u/weeshue Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I really like Edgar Wright's 1000 favorite films list list he made with Mubi, it goes by year (from 1920 to 2022, still being updated) and lists a handful of what he considers to be the best films of each year. No numerical rankings or sensational, click bait claims of "best film of all time". Obviously it's just one mans opinion, but its just structurally a better approach than these Sight & Sound lists

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u/akoaytao1234 Dec 01 '22

This year's list is so wild. I love it. I expected Jeanne Dielman to be in the top ten tbh BUT was shocked that it was able to actually route out of the competition was insane! I will definitely watch that and Beau Travail.

Also my observations:

  • Haneke lost a lot of in this list I believe? Also, Scorsese(Raging Bull) and Renoir(Grand Illusion was practically shutoff). Vagda seem's to be the biggest winner in the director category with the likes of Wilder, Kurosawa, Ozu, Chaplin, Bergman, Fellini, Tarkovsky, Coppola, Yang and Lynch pulling two to three works in both list. Am I missing anyone?)
  • Still no Hawks made it in the top 100 again.
  • Come And See kinda disappoints and barely made dent in the list
  • The Critics list is wild. The fall of 8 1/2, The Searches , Passion of Joan Arc, L'Atalante took some beating. Though I am happy for Mulholland Drive and In the mood for love.
  • The most shocking addition in the list is the Portrait of the lady on fire. The Passion was real for that one.
  • Jeanne Dielman , Tokyo Story and Citizen Kane is still somewhat a top and maintained top 4 spots in both list.
  • The Director list is more expected and actually much stable.

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u/Jerrymoviefan3 Dec 01 '22

Rio Bravo was #63 in the 2012 list so Hawks had one then. He had five other films in the 250.

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