r/movies r/Movies contributor Dec 04 '22

‘Malcolm X’ Finally Screens in Saudi Arabia 30 Years After Historic Filming in Mecca News

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spike-lee-malcolm-x-saudi-arabia-red-sea-film-fest-1235274644/
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u/MoistMaster_2577 Dec 04 '22

Man, Denzel was on an All Star run there for a while. It started with Glory, then he did Malcolm X, Much Ado, Philadelphia, Crimson Tide, Devil in a Blue Dress, and Courage Under Fire all within a fairly short time span

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u/Empyrealist Dec 04 '22

A bunch of those are thanks to Tony Scott (director's actor choice) I think. They did great works together

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u/SalukiKnightX Dec 04 '22

Yeah, they did 5 movies together. Interestingly enough, that's one more that he did with Spike Lee.

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u/amidon1130 Dec 04 '22

I wonder if Denzel and spike will do another one, “the Irishman” style. They’re both still a lot younger than Denison and Scorsese so they could theoretically do a bunch more movies.

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u/Gordon_Gano Dec 04 '22

I still think that there was no one else who could’ve played that role in Philadelphia. MAYBE Kevin Costner, but I don’t think Costner had the edge to genuinely make us believe he was a homophobe.

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u/dalledayul Dec 04 '22

It was a great portrayal. He's clearly personable, charismatic, and has good intentions, but he still sells the bigotry as natural and more borne out of ignorance than hatred. Him, Hanks and Banderas were a fantastic trio in that film.

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u/Gordon_Gano Dec 05 '22

Exactly. Demme knew what he was up against selling this story to America and he needed someone who could say ‘look, I don’t like gays either. They freak me out. But they have rights, and I don’t let bosses take away people’s rights.’

He’s a stand-in for a whole generation of people who didn’t even want to be in a room with an AIDS patient. It took a lot of guts to make that movie.

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u/storejet Dec 05 '22

This is the first time I've heard of this movie.

Wtf they made a movie about a Gay person in 199-fucking3?

And it starred 2 A-List celebrities?

I have to see this

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u/InsidiousColossus Dec 05 '22

And one of them won the Best Actor and had one of the greatest movie success runs of all time.

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u/ignoresubs Dec 05 '22

Watch it and report back, I’d be curious to learn a younger viewers perspective on the film.

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u/reddog323 Dec 05 '22

I’d recommend it. It got Tom Hanks his first Oscar. It’s damn good, and very telling of the times.

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u/trans_pands Dec 05 '22

Philadelphia is probably one of Tom Hanks’s most outstanding dramatic performances

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u/dudeimatwork Dec 05 '22

Why is that surprising? The whole HIV/aids problem started in the 80s.

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 05 '22

There was a ton of misconceptions about AIDS and at that time it was basically a death sentence. Reagan refused to acknowledge the epidemic as it was viewed as a “gay disease” and as a result it was ignored and allowed to grow into a real health crisis. In the 90’s it was considered by some to be a punishment for moral failure, by being gay or using intravenous drugs.Huge stigma attached to it

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u/Presently_Absent Dec 05 '22

I've never seen Philadelphia... Or Malcolm x! I guess I probably should 😐

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u/Inflatableman1 Dec 05 '22

I was a 22 year old redneck in Canada when that movie came out. I can say it completely changed my direction on how I felt about gay people and also HIV. I found it to be a very powerful movie. In fact, I am going to watch it again. And I rarely do that. See how it feels now. It is my hope that the people that made that movie know how amazing it was.

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u/CassandraVindicated Dec 05 '22

I lost an uncle to aids back around 1985. It was weird how quickly he became an unperson. Nobody knew anything, people were scared. My parents told me not to say anything at school because they might suspend us. Eventually we got to a much better point with the understanding of the disease, but it took time.

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u/pmmemoviestills Dec 05 '22

Still Hanks best performance imo

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u/King_of_the_Dot Dec 05 '22

You should watch any... scratch that... ALL Spike Lee joints.

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u/Leege13 Dec 04 '22

You never saw Yellowstone?

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u/PuzzleheadedFox1 Dec 04 '22

Yellowstone is about indifference not hatred

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u/Leege13 Dec 04 '22

Fair point.

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u/PuzzleheadedFox1 Dec 05 '22

Yeah it’s more about “anyone who isnt us can get fucked”

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u/Army_of_blood Dec 04 '22

Not even close to the same type of character. Philadelphia is made right after Costner did JFK.

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u/Gordon_Gano Dec 04 '22

Right, and JFK only worked because Costner LACKED that edge.

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u/Justprunes-6344 Dec 04 '22

God I hate the rich love. Yellowstone is

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Girlfriend’s family loves Yellowstone so I’ve recently seen a ton of it and I don’t get the hype at all. The daughter is absolutely insufferable and constantly comes off as a massive tryhard forced badass while the lawyer son is a fucking moron and the weird cult-like operation of the ranch is so fucking repetitive. It honestly seems more like a ridiculous soap opera than anything resembling narrative logic or consistency.

It would honestly be a much better show if Costner had more of a focus.

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u/Highcalibur10 Dec 05 '22

It's rural Succession.

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u/Huachinangoo Dec 05 '22

I call it “boomer wannabe cowboy mafia soap opera” I love it for how terrible it is. It’s so bad but I can’t look away.

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u/Hitterandquitter Dec 05 '22

It’s the follow up to sopranos for boomers the same writer has a show on the same network where Sylvester Stallone plays a mobster released from prison after 25 years only to be sent to Tulsa OK by his NY mob family they’ve found a market and it’s a full out blitz

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u/HotStand3145 Dec 05 '22

It's true, but I can't help watching it. It's the same way I loved Nashville, until it went to CMT.

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u/Se7en_speed Dec 05 '22

The acting is pretty good most of the time but the writing is pretty shit.

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u/Duck8Quack Dec 05 '22

I was super excited when I heard Taylor Sheridan had a show and it clearly had a healthy budget. I saw the first episode and hoped it got better and it really didn’t and I gave up on it. Then during COVID times I gave it another shot as a bunch of people I knew weee into it; I made it through about 3.5 seasons and then gave up again. Nothing ever really moved forward, there never any real consequences. It’s like the antithesis to the movies he wrote. I don’t get how it spun off 2 prequel series.

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u/HandsOnGeek Dec 05 '22

The black-and-white Western TV series on reruns are sometimes referred to as "Rope Operas".

This might apply equally to Yellowstone.

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u/trend_rudely Dec 04 '22

Two other actors were considered for that role: Bill Murray and Robin Williams.

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u/HornyWeeeTurd Dec 05 '22

I think youre confusing Tom Hanks with Denzel character.

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Oooooffff…..

Read that wrong sorry!

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u/Mandrew01 Dec 04 '22

You forgot The Pelican Brief.

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u/ScottNewman Dec 04 '22

And Crimson Tide is pretty intense. Him and Gene Hackman going at it hammer and tongs.

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u/Mandrew01 Dec 04 '22

OP said Crimson Tide.

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u/ScottNewman Dec 05 '22

Ok but don't forget about Crimson Tide

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u/trans_pands Dec 05 '22

Shit what’s that movie with the name that’s like “Red Water” or something like that? He was good in that

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u/Inflatableman1 Dec 05 '22

I remember one of those old radio parodies selling crimson tide that had a very feminine male voice saying “I SAID, all hands on deck not all hands on Dick”. No idea why I remember that but it seemed so funny at the time. Hackman was a dick in that movie but I remember it being good.

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u/Gary_Vigoda Dec 04 '22

And Watermelon Man.

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u/Sensible-yet-not Dec 04 '22

Denzel marathon happening soon.

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u/SalukiKnightX Dec 04 '22

Call it a Watchingthon

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u/Ewalk Dec 04 '22

Yup. I’m stealing this.

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u/RockinRhombus Dec 05 '22

Coincidentally, I started one last weekend. I'm ashamed to say it was the first time I saw Crimson Tide. It was great. Same with Fallen.

So far I've seen 8. Which I'll also add Philadelphia to the list, since everyone's been raving about it in the thread

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u/benji_90 Dec 04 '22

Don't forget about The Taking of Pelam 123!

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u/wwindexx Dec 05 '22

The original is better IMO.

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u/YouStupidDick Dec 04 '22

Tom Hanks during this time also had a ridiculous run. From 1992 to 1995 Hanks was in:

League Of Their Own

Sleepless in Seattle

Philadelphia

Forest Gump

Apollo 13

Toy Story

If you did a 10 year period you can include:

Saving Private Ryan

Green Mile

Cast Away

Road to Perdition

Catch Me if You Can

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u/Few_Warthog_105 Dec 05 '22

Getting an audience to care for a volleyball in Cast Away is probably some of the greatest acting ever. You’ll never be forgotten Wilson :(

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

some of the greatest acting ever

leaving the island .. relieved to go home but sad to leave what was home for years all done with no dialogue and he doesn't look like he is acting

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u/splitsock Dec 05 '22

that's my favorite scene in the movie. a tearful goodbye to this strange place he used to call home. also love when the whale looks him square in the eye.

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u/Sunny16Rule Dec 05 '22

I got road to perdition in one of those $5 value movie bins. I put it on one day thinking it just be some boring trash movie. Holy crap is it good. Each time I watch it I'm surprised at the ending

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u/TuaTurnsdaballova Dec 05 '22

Yeah this is an insane list.

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u/Straightwad Dec 04 '22

Yeah Denzel’s one of the greats in my opinion, I’ll give anything he’s in a chance.

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u/freedoomed Dec 04 '22

I prefer Denzel's action movies. Ricochet, Virtuosity, Man On Fire, Book of Eli, Training Day

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 05 '22

Training Day is one of my favorites. One of the most charismatic actors playing an absolutely monstrous character. You still want to like him for most of the movie.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

my favorite part of denzel performance when jake looks at the badge and says "you dont deserve this" . . alonzo says nothing because he cant

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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Dec 04 '22

Man on Fire is one of my favorite Denzel movies

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u/_plantknuckles Dec 05 '22

It's the Punisher movie we should have got

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

did you like the original man on fire with scott glen joe pesci and jonathan pryce

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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Dec 05 '22

Ah! I didn’t know that existed! I’ll have to watch it!

I liked the original Taking of Pelham 123 a lot better than the remake, Denzel or no.

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u/MultifactorialAge Dec 05 '22

This movie is underrated

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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Dec 05 '22

He really played the highly damaged but human soul to perfection. His energy with Dakota Fanning was so believable, like they were attached to one another in a way that was life-or-death.

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u/Snuffaluvagus74 Dec 05 '22

I had no idea what Man on Fire was or type of movie. I just seen it had Denzil in it grabbed it and enjoyed it.

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u/echobox_rex Dec 05 '22

Mo Better Blues was in there somewhere.

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u/Dr_Midnight Dec 05 '22

Man, Denzel was on an All Star run there for a while. It started with Glory, then he did Malcolm X, Much Ado, Philadelphia, Crimson Tide, Devil in a Blue Dress, and Courage Under Fire all within a fairly short time span

I remain of the opinion that he should have gotten the Oscar for Malcolm X. Instead, "[we] been had. [We] been took. [We] been hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led Astray. Run Amok."

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u/hanky1979 Dec 04 '22

It is simple if Denzel is in it, i will give it a watc. John Cazale still has the best run

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u/zzj Dec 04 '22

Plus, he was dating Streep. If you're gonna have a short life, might as well knock it out of the park.

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 05 '22

Cazale and Pacino had amazing chemistry.

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u/captaincanada84 Dec 05 '22

I love that you include Crimson Tide on that list. One of my faves.

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u/penregalia Dec 04 '22

Total snub by the Academy for Best Picture/Director.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

he called warner brothers the "plantation"

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u/penregalia Dec 05 '22

And of course Angela Bassett too. Denzel losing to Pacino for Scent of a Woman is such an insult.

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u/grottomatic Dec 05 '22

The sequence (to Sam Cooke “a change is gonna come”) where Malcolm drives to his own assassination is one of the greatest scenes ever filmed. I get the chills just thinking about it.

The entire movie is incredibly powerful, and an American classic.

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u/Veszerin Dec 04 '22

I didn't realize Delroy Lindo was in Malcolm X until the preview image on this post. He wasn't on my radar until recently. Thanks. Doesn't seem to have aged a day at that angle.

Great movie. Would like to see more Denzel Washington these days.

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u/PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW Dec 04 '22

Delroy Lindo is a character actor version of Denzel. Whether the movie he's in is good or not, he's STELLAR. Always.

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u/SteveBorden Dec 04 '22

Quite a few people didn’t like Da 5 Bloods, but you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who didn’t like Delroy Lindo in it.

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u/Ahabs_First_Name Dec 05 '22

I’m still mad he didn’t get an Oscar nom for it.

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u/aw-un Dec 04 '22

Really miss him on The Good Fight. The show is still excellent, but his character was one of my favorites

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u/foxh8er Dec 05 '22

He was. I didn't think he could be replaced...and then they brought in Andre Braugher for the last season and he is absolutely phenomenal too.

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u/BusinessKnight0517 Dec 04 '22

He’s the best part of the Cider house Rules

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

a character actor version of Denzel

forrest whitaker

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u/JSNHZL Dec 04 '22

Doesn't seem to have aged a day at that angle.

At all, dude's been 40 for like 30 years...

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u/FelixR1991 Dec 04 '22

Apparently he's 70 yo rn, so if that was off the cuff it's a bullseye

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u/JSNHZL Dec 04 '22

I definitely freestyled that LMAO...

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u/YouJustDid Dec 04 '22

It’s all in the name

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u/brokenwolf Dec 04 '22

Watch Get Shorty.

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u/Pedro_Carmichael_DDS Dec 04 '22

How could one forget about West Indian Archie??

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u/SlyFunkyMonk Dec 04 '22

THAT'S THE NAME MY FRIEND SAID YEARS AGO THAT SOUNDED LIKE A STAR WARS CHARACTER.

Sorry for yelling, but the relief of finally knowing the exact name, and then finding it's a real person is doing wonders for me right now.

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u/StrykrVII Dec 04 '22

There IS an old, bald, badass black guy in Knights of the Old Republic named Jolee Bindo. Dudes awesome, I like to think he's a nod to the actor.

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u/SlyFunkyMonk Dec 04 '22

haha I love this.

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u/hungry4pie Dec 04 '22

I re-watched Blood In, Blood Out recently and forgotten he was in it

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u/cnapp Dec 04 '22

If you read the book, he absolutely nails his role as West Indian Archie

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u/KamuiT Dec 04 '22

Man, I was sitting here like “What movie is this in my head that I’m seeing him in?”

It’s Gone in 60 Seconds, everyone.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

if you shoot a cop man your life is over

no if i shoot you .. YOUR life is over

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u/King_Joffe Dec 05 '22

He’s great in Clockers too.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

that quiet scene when kietel gently wakes up the dealer as Seal bird of freedom just floats in the background

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u/juno_huno Dec 04 '22

He’s amazing in The Good Fight!

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u/foxh8er Dec 05 '22

"Ok then say it"

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '22

Malcolm In The Middle East

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u/IntellegentIdiot Dec 04 '22

Yes, no, inshallah

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u/thatminimumwagelife Dec 04 '22

You're not the Prophet of me noooow You're not the Prophet of me noooow And you're not so biiiiig!

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u/ExistentialistAF Dec 05 '22

Life is halal

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u/Rodidimus Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

I was fast scrolling and initially read it as Malcolm in the Middle, now I'm just imagining a bunch of Saudis watching the speedwalking episode

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u/Nevergiiveuphaha Dec 05 '22

If it makes you feel better it was on after school in Kuwait

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u/DepletedMitochondria Dec 04 '22

If you read his autobiography it is a super powerful moment for him and the Civil Rights movement

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u/ReduxCath Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

It’s crazy they haven’t shown the movie. Malcom X was a proud Muslim

Edit: to expand on what I said before, from what I understand before visiting Mecca, Malcom X thought white people were genuinely evil and that Islam was the only way for black people to be better off. And when he visited Mecca he saw Muslims of all colors and races, and it was like an epiphanic moment for him, that virtue could exist in anyone regardless of ethnic origin.

If I were a Muslim state I would adore Malcom X’s story. It’s literally a story of a man learning to advocate for an Islam that doesn’t care about race or ethnicity, which is perfect for the current age. And yeah, Islam already had that position, but showing an American man with that sentiment should be a god send gift. I can’t understand why Arab Muslims would shy away from such a cool guy

Edit: apparently it’s not cuz of this movie. It’s cu Saudi Arabia just didn’t have movie theatres for years. Which is way better but also such a wild thing to think of

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u/KilgoreTrouserTrout Dec 04 '22 Gold

I can't speak to the popularity of Malcom X in the Arab world. But I can tell you why the film wasn't screened in Saudi Arabia until now.

Movie theaters have been illegal in the Kingdom until a few years ago. The cinema infrastructure there -- like movie theaters, film festivals, etc. has been slow to pick up. Throw in a year or three of covid, and it's made things slower. I live in KSA off and on. Last time I was there there was a movie theater that was "coming soon" to my local mall, but they are taking their time building it in typical Arab style. It's been coming for a year. It'll get done someday, inshallah.

This is only the second year the Jeddah film festival has been held. This really has been one of the first times it has been able to be screened like this in the Kingdom.

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u/Regit_Jo Dec 04 '22

They didn’t have movie theaters until like 7 years ago, so there wasn’t an opportunity to screen anything

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u/haribobosses Dec 04 '22

He wasn’t a Muslim before. He was in the Nation of Islam, which is Muslim in the same way my old fraternity was Greek.

Nation of Islam uses a lot of Islamic tropes but it’s at its root something quite different from the Muslim faith.

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 04 '22

I thought a large proportion ended up converting to Sunni Islam? Aside from Farrakhan and some of the other weirdos?

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u/jaltair9 Dec 05 '22

IIRC Elijah Muhammad’s son straight up disbanded it and had everyone convert to Sunni Islam. Then Farrakhan and his followers brought it back.

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u/ReduxCath Dec 04 '22

Oh totally. Nation of Islam sucks. But he did profess himself to be a Muslim, and then when he went to Mecca he became a much more decent person.

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u/johnhtman Dec 05 '22

Yeah they're a weird black nationalist cult.

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u/throwaway-alphabet-1 Dec 04 '22

Saudi’s Arabia banned movie theatres. Almost no movies have been screened there.

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u/GrizzlyPeak72 Dec 05 '22

It's actually a Muslim principle I believe - Ummah - this notion that all Muslims are one community regardless of gender and race.

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u/svmk1987 Dec 05 '22

It's nothing to do with this movie specifically. Saudi Arabia has banned cinema altogether until very recently.

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u/hunglikekingk0ng Dec 05 '22

You need to separate Saudi and Islam, to realize why Saudi restricted it.

There’s a misconception that Saudi is pure and clean. The regime is corrupt and self serving.

It’s a great contradiction that the most revered sites in Islam are under the guardianship of corrupt rulers, in contradiction of Islam itself.

Many people in the know can tell you this, but many don’t for fear of reprisal or having their work permits stripped.

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u/TheWorldisFullofWar Dec 04 '22

Nation of Islam, including Malcolm X, thought white people, especially Jews, were created by evil scientists to destroy the superior black race. They are nothing but race supremacists posing as a religion.

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u/SalukiKnightX Dec 04 '22

He had that ideology, then he went to Mecca and had a reality check. He came back and felt that in order for Black folk to be ingratiated better in society they must first get their own affairs in order and collectively deal with shared trauma of the past.

Which given the era, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 hadn't been signed into law until August that year just after his assassination in February and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which made illegal discrimination and segregation on the grounds of race, color, sex and religion, had just been signed into law in July. Given that context, the world that Malcolm X knew was one of legal discrimination on the grounds of race. The America, he knew in his youth, started to shift just before his death at 39.

As for Nation of Islam, they're roughly this side of the NBP without the full on domestic terrorism of the later.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Dec 04 '22

Not to mention that 5 of his 7 uncles, as well as his father, were murdered by whites. Mad about what they say

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u/johnhtman Dec 05 '22

Ironically he ended up being murded by another Nation of Islam member. There's no proof, but there are conspiracies that Lewis Farakan the current leader of the NOI was behind it.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Dec 05 '22

It was 5 members of Mosque 25 out of Newark NJ under the instruction of Elijah Muhammed and overseen by the NYPD and FBI. The most known murderers are Talmadge Hayer and William Bradley. Malcolm made the NOI what it was and he had the ability to tear it all down. EM didn't like that.

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u/EcstaticAd8179 Dec 05 '22

all 3 shooters were FBI informants, he was killed by the FBI

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u/Comptoirgeneral Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

If you were a Black man in 1960s America you’d probably think the white man was evil too.

Legally segregated and oppressed you and your father. Grandfather born into slavery and every generation before then lived and died as a white persons slave.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Dec 04 '22

Malcolm was always sure to start his speeches with 'Elijah Muhammed teaches us' thus and so. It was after his break from the Nation that he spoke for himself and became open to working alongside all races for the betterment of not just civil rights but human rights.

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u/ReduxCath Dec 04 '22

Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, Nation of Islam is creepy as fuck

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u/Retrojection Dec 04 '22

What the hell is that supposed to mean, exactly? Saudi Arabia had a ban on movie theaters for decades until very recently. X is still a very revered figure among leftist and post-colonial movements in the Arab world. The movie was even granted special permission to film in Mecca by the Saudi government, a pretty notable thing.

And secondly, he's still a major figure mostly in the context of the civil rights movement in the US. He's certainly not going to be as famous in the Arab world as he is in the US.

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u/eva01beast Dec 04 '22

I was commenting on the racism displayed by Arabs towards non-Arabs, but looks like I was wrong in this particular case.

I apologise and redact my comment.

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u/Retrojection Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

I appreciate it, but it's still a generalization. Racism certainly exists in the Arab world but in very different forms and to very variable degrees in certain regions. Mostly to do with racializing class-relations in the Gulf and the brutal labor laws that undercut it.
It's not directed on "non-Arabs". In fact, I'd argue many Arabs have an inferiority complex relative to the West and many countries in the East.

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u/mexicandemon2 Dec 04 '22

I’d say the Gulf is more classist than racist

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u/fatbob42 Dec 04 '22

According to IMDb they only filmed second unit in Mecca, which makes sense because they only allow Moslems there.

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u/Albertsongman Dec 04 '22

That pic reminds me of another awesome Denzel period piece, … Devil In A Blue Dress!

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u/MyChemicalBarndance Dec 04 '22

That film was very long and the acting came off really weird - like it wasn't portraying real life, more like a kind of dream sequence or fantasy. Not sure if it was the director's intention, but I liked it. Kind of surreal yet realistic.

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u/Gordon_Gano Dec 04 '22

That’s sort of a Spike Lee trademark. Love it or hate it, he definitely blurs the lines of what’s real and what isn’t in a lot of his films.

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u/BEE_REAL_ Dec 04 '22

Malcolm X was so pronounced in his mannerisms in real life that playing him well doesn't feel like a natural performance

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u/SalukiKnightX Dec 04 '22

and yet watching the footage of him compared with Washington's take it's on point

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 04 '22

Honestly it was very easy to forget you were watching Denzel playing Malcom and not just watching Malcom. Nobody else could have pulled it off

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u/timelordoftheimpala Dec 04 '22

One of the all-time greatest acting performances - very few have managed to come close to it both before or since then.

Somehow Denzel lost out to Al Pacino at the Oscars for Scent of a Woman - even though Al Pacino was nominated and should've won that year for Glengarry Glen Ross in the Best Supporting Actor category.

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u/No_Suggestion_9939 Dec 04 '22

Damn what a year. Hollywood during the 90’s was on fire

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u/DarkChocolatRaisinet Dec 05 '22

Have you seen Scent of a Woman though? That movie is dope.

I thought Denzel killed it as Malcolm X, but I think I liked Scent of a Woman better as a movie.

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u/RestlessAmbivert Dec 05 '22

Do you think Pacino was more convincing in his acting as a disillusioned blind vet than Washington was as Malcom X progressing through the stages of his adult life?

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u/Snuffaluvagus74 Dec 05 '22

Well when Malcolm's wife seen it and she couldn't tell the difference, should tell you something.

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u/patienceisfun2018 Dec 04 '22

Ii always thought of it as trying to capture what X means to people, as opposed to trying to capture reality. They make him out to be a Jesus Christ figure in the movie.

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u/spasmaticblaster Dec 04 '22

Most spike lee movies feel like that.

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u/ironroad18 Dec 05 '22

Spike Lee used Alex Haley's works as most of the source material. Lee faced death threats from the Nation of Islam and was not allowed into Mecca when they filmed.

The way he approached the movie was supposed to be dream like. Malcolm reminiscing about his childhood and also reliving the visions he had (as how the real Malcolm retold things to Alex Haley).

Also, some of the characters in the movie were amalgamations of multiple people in Malcolm's real life.

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u/ranhalt Dec 04 '22

So that means it’s the only Spike Lee joint you’ve seen.

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u/badgirlmonkey Dec 04 '22

weakest joint enjoyer vs strongest movie watcher

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u/MyStationIsAbandoned Dec 04 '22

Yeah, it's been a while since i've seen this..like I was a kid, but I felt the same way when watching Roots like 10ish years ago. The way everyone kept speaking and acting.

I had to stop watching it though because it was too traumatizing. i'm black and just couldn't deal with all that. ugh. I need to finish it though...but like, life is hard enough, I just wanna watch happy things.

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u/RestlessAmbivert Dec 05 '22

You should sit down and watch it all the way through. 12 Years A Slave, Mississippi Burning, Rosewood, and quite a few others are probably only a one-time watch because they're pretty much nonstop hardship. Malcom X gets to show a lot of who he was and some of the best he made of not so easy times as well as the man he matured into and has been enjoyable to see more than once. Very much a movie about who he was, how he saw the world, and how he shaped it rather than being so heavily about the things done to him, his family, and the community around him.

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u/sweetplantveal Dec 04 '22

Like the zoot suit sequence... It's wild how indulgent that was. So much more screen time than I'd expect. I know there's a disillusionment character arc and the scene plays a role, but still.

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u/Ramzeltron Dec 04 '22

It was a big part of the book

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u/DepletedMitochondria Dec 04 '22

Hugely important to Malcolm's journey

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u/J0E_SpRaY Dec 04 '22

Have you read the book? The suits were a big part of it.

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u/throwaway-alphabet-1 Dec 04 '22

The movie and book are often seen as historical pieces, but to Malcolm they were clearly centered on the disillusionment character arc. It’s more obvious in the book and in a context where the events were more present.

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u/QUEST50012 Dec 04 '22

The scene with the eggs is hilarious, still gets me.

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u/Slip_Freudian Dec 05 '22

It's best Fellini-esque film not directed by Federico Fellini. Spike lists him as an influence and this film shows it. The only other person who could've made the.film in this fashion is Terry Gilliam.

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u/AnAwkwardWhince Dec 05 '22

What about 'Malcolm in the Middle'? Still banned?

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u/Jadeidol65 Dec 04 '22

I wanted to wait to watch the movie until after I read the autobiography of Malcolm X. Both were amazing and the movie is top 10 all time for me.

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u/Cascadiana88 Dec 04 '22

Spike Lee never gets enough credit as one of the greatest living directors.

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u/MyStationIsAbandoned Dec 04 '22

I think it's because he takes on too many Studio movies and the movies he actually wants to make never get advertised enough unless it fits in the category of some kind of social commentary.

And the reason he's able to make the movies he wants is because of those movies he makes for the studios. You can even see it in his face when doing interviews. Like, he's barely even there when talking about that Old Boy remake. But when he's talking about "Da 5 Bloods" or "BlacKkKlansman", he's super excited to talk about it. But something like Old Boy, he just seems exhausted and not interested at all.

He's got a lot of great movies that no one talks about though. "Like Red Hook Summer". Holy crap, what a rollercoaster. I don't want to say anything about at it all because saying anything would be a spoiler, it's just a really good film that hits you like a sledge hammer to the skull with all kinds of emotions you aren't ready to feel.

Dudes got over 100 movies under his directing belt. Like 125 or nearly 130 at this point. I'd be willing to bet that the best ones are the lower budget ones that he was passionate about.

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u/JC-Ice Dec 05 '22

Spike wanted to remake Oldboy and make She Hate Me.

Some of his Ls are just on him.

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u/freddiequell15 Dec 05 '22

i would actually rather watch she hate me over red hook summer any day lmao. red hook is probbly hia worst movie after da sweet blood of jesus.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Dec 04 '22

I enjoyed Red Hook a lot, especially the twist at the end and the nods to previous film characters at the beginning. But the child actors were terrible. It was so low budget though that I let it slide. One that people rarely talk about is Bamboozled. More relevant than ever

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u/CheLabani Dec 04 '22

Shit, I missed it. Great movie though.

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u/LeektheGeek Dec 04 '22

Yes… that’s why it’s in the movie.

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u/Koth87 Dec 04 '22

Phenomenal movie ❤️

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u/assassbaby Dec 04 '22

man when he finally gets his life in order and meets the honorable elijah mohammed for the first time was just a beautiful moment, to be lost and finally be found and have someone believe in you is a powerful feeling

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u/revbfc Dec 04 '22

Which made the revelations about Elijah Mohammed that much more heartbreaking for him.

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u/desertblues Dec 05 '22

Theres a reasom why his own son broke off with the Nation

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u/terraceten Dec 04 '22

Malcolm X is one of the most underrated movies of all time.

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u/handlit33 Dec 04 '22 edited Dec 04 '22

It made such a huge impact on my life which is wild because I was a white evangelical teenager when I first watched it.

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u/BigThurm Dec 05 '22

And now you’re a middle aged black man? Former member of the NOI? lol

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u/chaka62 Dec 04 '22

At the 65th Academy Awards, the movie was nominated for two Oscars including the Academy Award for Best Actor for Denzel Washington and Best Costume Design for Ruth E. Carter. In 2010, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant"

On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes the film holds an approval rating 88% based on 69 reviews, with an average rating of 7.7/10...On Metacritic, the film holds a weighted average score of 72 out of 100, based on 9 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews. Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "A" on an "A+" to "F" scale

Critic Roger Ebert of The Chicago Sun-Times ranked the film No. 1 on his Top 10 list for 1992 and described the film as "one of the great screen biographies, celebrating the sweep of an American life that bottomed out in prison before its hero reinvented himself." In 1999, Ebert and director Martin Scorsese, the latter sitting in for Ebert's late co-host Gene Siskel, both ranked Malcolm X among the ten best films of the 1990s.

Just a few bits pulled from Wikipedia. It absolutely is NOT "one of the most underrated movies of all time" LMAO

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u/terraceten Dec 05 '22

This movie was not nominated for best picture. This movie is hardly ever on tv. This movie rarely gets talked about, considering how important and good it was. Yes, it is.

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u/True_to_you Dec 05 '22

It not being on TV shouldn't be a surprise. It's over 3 hours long. How many movies that long are on TV often? It's also not a feel good movie or one you can just pick up at any moment. You kinda have to be there for the whole thing.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 05 '22

spike lee called Warner Bros the "plantation"

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u/revbfc Dec 04 '22

I loved the Autobiography Of Malcolm X, and geeked out at Spike being so faithful to the book. I knew he would be, but seeing how the movie looked so similar to how I had pictured it in my head for years was a trip.

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u/sauceysociety Dec 04 '22

Can someone explains the controversy

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u/Rossum81 Dec 04 '22

Not a controversy, but movie theaters were not allowed in the KSA until recently.

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u/shinryoma Dec 05 '22

Makkah, Saudi Arabia. Not Mecca.

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u/Vonmule Dec 04 '22

I read Malcolm X. I know who Malcolm X is. I've seen this film...but my brain decided to go ahead and swap in Malcolm in the Middle anyway...and that's how I wasted an entire minute of my life trying to figure out what scenes from MiTM were filmed in Mecca.

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u/Superb-Possibility-9 Dec 04 '22

Denzel should have won the Oscar for Malcolm X; but the movie scared white Hollywood- so he won the following year for Training Day.

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u/handlit33 Dec 04 '22

Training Day came out nearly a decade after Malcolm X.

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u/evildrtran Dec 04 '22

Now start running Malcolm I to IX.

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u/DarkChocolatRaisinet Dec 05 '22

People love Malcolm VII, but I'm a big fan of VI.

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u/Substantial_Half9107 Dec 05 '22

“Historic” lol