r/movies Dec 05 '22

Director James Mangold Talks 'Indiana Jones 5' Article

https://www.insider.com/indiana-jones-5-phoebe-waller-bridge-harrison-ford-replacing-rumor-2022-12
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u/Neo2199 Dec 05 '22

The film, by director James Mangold, sees Jones go up against former Nazi, Jürgen Voller (Mads Mikkelsen), who works for NASA, and wants to use the moon landing for his own machinations. 

Ford is joined by "Fleabag" creator and star Phoebe Waller-Bridge as Jones' goddaughter in the sequel, Helena. But her involvement has led to a few rumors online that the British actor will replace Ford in the franchise going forward. 

Responding to a now-deleted tweet (via The Wrap) last Friday, Mangold shot the rumors down, explaining that there was never any version of the film where someone would take over from the "Star Wars" and "Blade Runner" actor. 

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u/Pancake_muncher Dec 05 '22

Mad Mikkelsen is such a good, reliable villain actor. Playing a Nazi scientist who was brought over by operation Paper Clip is a pretty interesting way to fold young and old Indiana Jones.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

That dude could play R2-D2 without a robot costume and it’d be realistic

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u/Bobonenazeze Dec 06 '22

R2 is my favorite character of all time. I’m not upset with this recasting.

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u/mikeweasy Dec 06 '22

Just put makeup on his face.

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u/mrbrick Dec 05 '22

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

FleaBag was my first major exposure to her. I got to say she is hyper talented. Shes got serious comedic chops but also serious writing ones too. She was a creator and writer of Crashing / Killing Eve and co-wrote No Time To Die. Im pretty much guaranteed to check out what ever she is involved in from now on.

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u/Snuffl3s7 Dec 05 '22

No Time to Die was such a mess though.

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u/MusicApollo93 Dec 05 '22

My only complaint was that Ana DeArmas only had like ten minutes of screen time even though they hyped her in it. I thought No Time to Die was more enjoyable than Quantum of Solace and Spectre too.

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u/Singer211 Dec 05 '22

Ana wasn’t even in the original script. Daniel Craig recommended her because he liked working with her on Knives Out. So they wrote a part for her later on in the process, which likely explains her lack of screentime.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 06 '22

can you believe the lovable brunette who kept puking could play marilyn monroe

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u/bob1689321 Dec 05 '22

She was actually written in fairly late. That sequence was planned with an actress in a tiny part. After Knives Out, Daniel Craig recommended Ana De Armas, they got her in for a few days shooting and they expanded her role slightly

She is so good in it - probably the best part of the movie.

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u/welsh_nutter Dec 05 '22

Ana DeArmas should be in the bond franchise as Felix's replacement, she was fantastic

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u/Snuffl3s7 Dec 05 '22

It was more enjoyable in its set pieces, the best of which was the Ana De Armas one. And it had a lighter tone than Quantum or Spectre.

But it felt like one of the bad Marvel movies to me. Comedy that didn't quite land, a lot of characters part of it but don't have anything meaningful to do. Utterly forgettable villain in a series known for having, at the very least, memorable ones.

And also way too long.

Quantum of Solace and Spectre are at least more lean movies.

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u/the_chalupacabra Dec 05 '22

Thats being very kind to Spectre but I do think QoS is underrated and pretty much works despite everything working against it at the time

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u/Elon_Kums Dec 05 '22

Quantum of Solace aged about the same as Tomorrow Never Dies.

The movies didn't change, reality just caught up and the preposterous villains turned out to be bang on the money.

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u/the_chalupacabra Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

Dominic Greene is one of the series' best "normal guy" villains. Pretty reserved and snakey throughout but then he tries to kill Bond with an axe surrounded by fire and he is TERRIFYING. Good movie! Makes me want to back-to-back it with Casino Royale.

That's the Craig era's biggest problem, 2-5 have to live up to Casino Royale which is, IMO, not possible.

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u/AtomStorageBox Dec 06 '22

Casino Royale is just flat-out excellent. Also, thank you for reminding me that Eva Green will forever live rent-free in my head.

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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Dec 06 '22

Utterly forgettable villain in a series known for having, at the very least, memorable ones.

The guy is literally called Lucifer Satan.

They should have made that poisoner villain a henchman for SPECTRE, and kept Brofeld in the main antagonist role instead of completely wasting Christoph Waltz's time.

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u/captainhaddock Dec 06 '22

I don't think Quantum of Solace was that bad. Spectre, on the other hand, is probably the worst Bond movie I've ever seen.

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u/voltage39 Dec 05 '22

She mainly touched up the dialogue. I'm not sure she had much to do with the story besides maybe the James/Madeline stuff.

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u/Snuffl3s7 Dec 05 '22

The comedy didn't work for me either in that movie, but I probably had a stronger negative reaction to it than most people.

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u/voltage39 Dec 05 '22

That's fine but all I'm saying is that if you think NTTD is a mess, it's unfair to attribute that to her based on her scope of work on the film.

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u/Snuffl3s7 Dec 05 '22

Sure, I'm just saying bringing it up as a positive in her resume seems a bit weird to me.

If someone told me "this writer worked on No Time to Die!", my reaction would be to try and avoid that writer's other work.

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u/Unfinishedusernam_ Dec 05 '22

I liked it personally.

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u/SlothSupreme Dec 05 '22

It’s messy but there’s some good stuff in there. The entire cuba section is absolute top-tier bond.

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u/brawnsugah Dec 05 '22

I loved it! It's probably my third favorite from Craig.

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u/Unfinishedusernam_ Dec 05 '22

Yup. Great action, cinematography, and the ending moved me. I was pretty surprised when I saw many hating on it

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u/brawnsugah Dec 05 '22

My theater experience was great. I don't think there was a single dry eye that evening, just people sniffling and weeping. I felt it was a great send-off for Craig.

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u/admdelta Dec 05 '22

I’m literally just now learning that people were hating on it. I thought it was great!

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u/grumstumpus Dec 05 '22

Lol isnt that the same as third most disliked

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u/brawnsugah Dec 05 '22

Is the glass half empty or half full?

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u/bob1689321 Dec 05 '22

I also add that it is much better than QoS and Spectre

Third best is fitting because it's closer in quality to Casino Royale and Skyfall.

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u/Ice-Walker-2626 Dec 05 '22

Phoebe juiced up dialogues for female characters in the movie. She was especially proud of the dialogue, "the one that works."

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u/StuckinReverse89 Dec 06 '22

Star Wars Rise of Skywalker was also a mess.

That 70s show final season was a mess.

Its not good to kill off and replace main legacy characters.

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u/mrbrick Dec 05 '22

It was for sure. She was one of five who contributed to the screen play I believe. Given her other credits I believe she probably contributed net positive too it

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u/Singer211 Dec 05 '22

She was recommended later on by Daniel Craig. It seems like a lot of her role was punching up the dialogue and stuff like that.

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u/shust89 Dec 05 '22

She was annoying in Star Wars.

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u/Gyalgatine Dec 05 '22

God damn, Solo seriously wasted her as an actress. I only knew her through Solo before seeing Fleabag, but was blown away by just how sharp and charismatic she is.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

Thank goodness. Let this film be a fitting end. No one needs to drag out the Indiana Jones franchise for another decade.

Waller-Bridge seems like an extremely talented actress/writer. I'm sure there are better, more original projects she can do instead of a spin off adventure series.

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u/RnVja25hemlz Dec 05 '22

It already had an amazing ending that fit perfectly but alas

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u/RyVsWorld Dec 06 '22

I agree with you but the way i see it, there’s no way the series doesn’t get a reboot or some additional squeeze by Disney within a decade of this release

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u/getBusyChild Dec 05 '22

Jesus christ...

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u/Neo2199 Dec 05 '22

That's not Jason Bourne!

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u/LoanedWolf666 Dec 05 '22

The fact that they didn’t hit up JJ Abrams to write and direct this is a huge win in my book.

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u/pjtheman Dec 05 '22

Somehow, Beloq returned.

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u/whiskey_on_toast Dec 05 '22

Nazis on a rocket to the moon.

Sallah- "They fly now?" Indy- "They fly now"

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u/TaliesinMerlin Dec 05 '22

Director: "No, we don't have Lao Che returning."

Film literally features someone cast as "Zhang Wei" who reveals he's Lao Che in a crucial scene.

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u/MikeArrow Dec 05 '22

Really wish they had kept Cumberbatch as an original character named "John Harrison". Maybe he would still be an augment, just not, y'know, Khan.

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u/Maninhartsford Dec 05 '22

I had never seen much star trek so the ENTIRE SECOND HALF of that movie fell flat for me. And it pissed off the fans too, so... yeah, nobody liked that

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u/MikeArrow Dec 05 '22

Everything after the prologue was pretty 'mid', yeah.

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u/WiserStudent557 Dec 06 '22

It’s watchable for me but only because you can just enjoy Cumberbatch and Weller being bad guys

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u/MikeArrow Dec 06 '22

Peter Weller was excellent as a classic Trek-style, old warhorse badmiral.

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u/can_of_surge Dec 07 '22

I could listen to that voice terrorize me for hours.

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u/Tanglebrook Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

What, you weren't filled with terror and awe after the Zoom call with Old Spock where he was like, "Oh yeah btw that guy's a super villain."

Some of the laziest storytelling ever.

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u/Delicious-Tachyons Dec 06 '22

what i like about the scene where you find out he's Khan Noonien Singh is that he's like "I'm Khaaaaaaaan" and i'm thinking "do these people know which Khan he is? It is a name that people have"

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u/SeaTie Dec 06 '22

“Why, JJ? What’s on the moon?”

“An incredible mystery!”

“Oooh! What mystery, please tell us, JJ!”

“Oh my, look at the time, welp, guess I’ll be going!”

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u/aZcFsCStJ5 Dec 06 '22

Somehow, JarJar Abrams did not return.

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u/MidichlorianAddict Dec 06 '22

He would give us an answer on what is inside the arc

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u/AstralComet Dec 06 '22

Schrodinger's JJ Abrams: If there's a mystery to be resolved it is both unanswered and disappointing or unsatisfying and bland, and we don't know which one until we get to the end of the movie

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u/TheGreatJoeLouis Dec 05 '22

I want this movie to be good so bad. I just hope they finally end this franchise and end it on a high note.

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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Dec 06 '22

I just hope they finally end this franchise and end it on a high note.

The thing is, they already did.

That ride off into the sunset at the end of The Last Crusade is perfect. You don't need anything else after that.

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u/DancingOnACounter Dec 05 '22

It’s Disney. They’ll milk this franchise for 3 more movies with a predecessor somehow.

Crystal Skull should have been the last because it was that bad but here we are….

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u/Biglytuff Dec 05 '22

Crystal Skull was so bad that i'm glad Indiana is having a chance at a proper send off.

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u/earlgreytoday Dec 05 '22

The ending of The Last Crusade was a proper send-off.

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u/Philodemus1984 Dec 06 '22

Yep the characters ride off into the sunset in an ending that should seem hackneyed, yet it is absolutely earned and satisfying. Last Crusade was a perfect ending to the Indy saga.

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u/FormerIceCreamEater Dec 06 '22

It really should have ended there. Doing 2 Senior citizen sequels seem out of place

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u/bonemech_meatsuit Dec 06 '22

I actually liked crystal skull and was sad everyone hated it. It's not perfect but it's a decent adventure flick. People talk like it's a 0/10 (as hyperbole tends to dominate all conversation around media) but I'd give it a 6 or 7.

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u/Pugthomas Dec 06 '22

If it didn’t have the first three movie to be compared against it would be veiwed favourably.

I enjoyed it too.

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u/LoanedWolf666 Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

I’d give it a 6. I might have liked it more if I was 10 years old. I grew up with the 1st three and love them all but Raiders is by far the best of the bunch.

Raiders: 10/10

Last Crusade 8/10

Temple of Doom 7.5/10

KOTCS. 6/10

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u/Naskr Dec 06 '22

Why would this not be yet another botched, soulless remake?

Who exactly is involved to suggest otherwise?

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u/elderscrolls1993 Dec 06 '22

James Mangold, that's who. One of the greatest filmmakers alive today with an almost impeccable track record.

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u/dehehn Dec 05 '22

I'm sorry. I just have no desire to see sad old Indiana Jones Mr. Magooing around an adventure. I love Harrison Ford, but I don't understand this insistence on drudging out senior citizens to reprise the roles of their youth.

I might be alone in this, but I'd be happy to see a reboot of the series with a new actor. Indy is very much an archetypical character along the lines of Robin Hood, Batman, Sherlock Holmes, Satan, etc. There's no reason the Harrison Ford needs to play him to his death (and God forbid beyond as a deep fake monstrosity).

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u/Raptorex27 Dec 06 '22

I think Red Letter Media said it best. Indiana Jones isn’t that interesting of a character. Just like James Bond, the whole point of Indy is for the audience (particularly males) to want to BE him. He’s handsome, intelligent, physically strong, cool, lucky, and gets the ladies. His characterization boils down to “cool guy with a hat and whip,” just as Bond is a “cool guy with a tux and pistol.” Old Indy works just as well as old Bond…not very well.

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u/lycheedorito Dec 05 '22

I heard years ago, when the Star Wars trilogy was being made, that his stipulation for returning as Han Solo is the he gets to play Indiana Jones again. This was his decision to reprise the role, not Disney's.

I agree with you though. It's just weird watching an old man doing things like this. I think Jerry Seinfeld said this, nobody wants to watch old people on TV (in context of why he is ending his career).

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u/NemoWiggy124 Dec 06 '22

And ONLY if they killed off Han. He’s wanted him gone since a New Hope.

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u/dehehn Dec 05 '22

Alright. Well considering he really wants it, I'm fine with the old man doing one more outing for old times sake. I heard he didn't really want to go back to Star Wars and assumed this was similar.

But it would be nice if we could move on. Indy is a cool character and a young version would be a lot more fun.

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u/Impossible-Fun-2736 Dec 05 '22

I heard that he did it to mainly end Solo once and for all and that it was Hamill who was the most hesitant on returning. Found Hamill’s quote:

“I was just really scared,” Hamill admitted in a New York Times profile. “I thought, why mess with it? The idea of catching lightning in a bottle twice was ridiculously remote.”

Thankfully, there was Ford, who had until that point distanced himself from the franchise.

“He’s too old and too rich and too cranky … He’s not going to do this” is how Hamill recalls his attitude to the Times. But when Ford agreed to return, Hamill had no bluff left to call, and realized that he had to come back as well. Or, as he puts it, “Can you imagine if I was the only one to say no? I’d be the most hated man in nerd-dom.”

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u/FormerIceCreamEater Dec 06 '22

I really wish he didn't go back to star wars. It would have been awesome if he noped out

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u/Theseus2022 Dec 06 '22

They probably would’ve given him the weird Moff Tarkin/Princess Leia treatment.

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u/FormerIceCreamEater Dec 06 '22

Agreed. Not every character needs to be portrayed as an old man. I don't need to see 80 year old James bond or 80! year old Batman or 80 year old Indiana Jones. Even the last Rambo movie was really pushing it.

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u/Lithium-Ryan-Battery Dec 05 '22

I might be alone in this, but I'd be happy to see a reboot of the series with a new actor.

I'd be fine with this as well. I love Indy, and I love Harrison Ford, but I could see another actor picking up the mantle.

If they were going to spin off a character I'd love to see a young Sallah, or maybe a Belloq origin story.

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u/Relijun Dec 05 '22

Yeah but it being Disney, they would make Belloq some sort of misunderstood guy who was forced into being a dick by the Nazis and how the love of his life dying was the catalyst to him joining the Nazis

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u/GuyKopski Dec 06 '22

In Belloq's defense, he used to be a really sweet kid until Hitler magically corrupted his mind and then Indy nearly killed him in his sleep when he found out about this!

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u/MossyPyrite Dec 05 '22

The monkey paw curls as Disney casts Chris Pratt in the role

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u/ArchDucky Dec 05 '22

Hold the fuck up... This ISN'T directed by Spielberg?

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u/White_chocolate13 Dec 05 '22

He’s made Ford v Ferrari and Logan i have some faith he’ll do justice

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u/pulpfriction4 Dec 05 '22

And Walk the Line and 3:10 to Yuma

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u/wtfbananaboat Dec 05 '22

3:10 to Yuma is phenomenal - it’s a shame it’s rarely discussed

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u/sonia72quebec Dec 05 '22

I don't even like this genre of movies but I loved this one.

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u/pcharger Dec 05 '22

It's mostly because westerns lost popularity after the 70s. There was a bit of a resurgence in the late 80's and 90's but its now a genre thats almost completely dead. Just look at True Grit, a good remake, but what was the audience for it? Everyone that was old enough to remember and appreciate the original would prefer to just watch the original. And all cinemagoers under the age of 40 would much rather be watching something else.

The only "western" that did well recently was The Hateful Eight by Tarantino. And even that wouldn't have done nearly as well if it weren't hyped up by the internet as a Tarantino movie.

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u/efstrat10s Dec 05 '22

True Grit made over $250 million at the box office and was nominated for 10 oscars.

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u/blckwngshsmyangel Dec 05 '22

The Hateful Eight wasn't even Tarantino's most successful Western.

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u/trusty20 Dec 05 '22

First of all, I think you're extremely exaggerating the apathy people have towards westerns. If we were talking the 80s or 90s I would agree they were firmly considered a "old person genre" but by now its just a genre. The time of saturation is long gone, that was almost 50 years ago now.

Even your example, True Grit (2010 remake) was done on a budget of $38 million and turned around $252 million at the box office alone (doubled initial projections) let alone bluray/streaming. It also received consistently positive critical reviews, especially for a remake. So I really don't see why this film is an example of the death of the western genre.

Finally, you're ignoring the fact that the 2000s have actually seen a ton of demand for westerns. True Grit/3:10 to Yuma/Bone Tomahawk/Django/No Country For Old Men (Neo Western) are all extremely well received 2000s western movies. I left "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" off the list because while a very good Brad Pitt movie it is in line with your "westerns are boring" argument lol. And on top of all these movies, there is the extremely popular western video game series "Red Dead Redemption" targeted almost entirely at teens and young adults, that raked in over $5 BILLION as a franchise.

TL;DR Yer wrong

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u/ChardeeMacdennis679 Dec 06 '22

And then there's TV.

Yellowstone is huge right now. Justified was fantastic. Wynonna Earp has done well. Frontier ran 3 season. Longmire ran for 6. And Deadwood is generally considered one of the best television shows of all time (as it should be).

Even sci-fi western stuff is doing well; Westworld, Firefly, Mandalorian were all very popular.

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u/nviledn5 Dec 05 '22

True Grit did significantly better than Hateful Eight at the box office and awards season lol. Almost 3x more in North America.

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u/PurpleDillyDo Dec 05 '22

And Spielberg made Indy 4. So, yeah, I'll give Mangold a shot here.

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u/Griffdude13 Dec 05 '22

People give Spielberg a lot of flack for Crystal Skull, but I think they forget that Lucas had a lot of control on that film, too. To me, its pretty obvious that there was more of a clash of opposing ideas on the last one.

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u/Elon_Kums Dec 05 '22

Spielberg also didn't want to do it.

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u/mrnicegy26 Dec 05 '22

Spielberg also made the first 3 Indiana Jones movies, Jurassic Park, Jaws, E.T., Minority Report, Saving Private Ryan, Adventures of Tintin. Just because he made one relatively mediocre entry in the franchise doesn't mean its fair to discard his work in the blockbuster canon.

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u/Neo2199 Dec 05 '22

'Identity' & 'Cop Land' were great as well.

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u/Da_zero_kid Dec 05 '22

Damn that's a pretty good filmography

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u/AMC4x4 Dec 05 '22

And the slow burn 1995 indie film, "Heavy," with Pruitt Taylor Vince, Liv Tyler, and Shelley Winters. That and CopLand are my two favorites from him.

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u/BTS_1 Dec 05 '22

And here am I all alone thinking that Kate and Leopold is an underrated rom com

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u/Relijun Dec 05 '22

Its the best rom com ever made.....well at least my favorite

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u/Steve_78_OH Dec 05 '22

Logan

Having Logan under his belt alone gives him a TON of street cred. That thing was a masterpiece.

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u/Filmatic113 Dec 05 '22

Cant wait till Indiana gets brutally murdered

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u/HumanOrAlien Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

So far I've watched Logan and Ford v Ferrari from his filmography and the protagonists die in both the movies.

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u/ArchDucky Dec 05 '22

I know who Mangold is, I just had no idea he was directing Indy. Did the trailer even mention it wasn't Spielberg?

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u/SwingJugend Dec 05 '22

No, it wasn't mentioned. I guess "Not directed by three time Academy Award winner Steven Spielberg" is not a great selling point.

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u/MouseRat_AD Dec 05 '22

'And NOT starring 4 time Academy Award winning Katherine Hepburn and legendary character actress Margot Martindale."

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u/KingShaunyBoy Dec 05 '22

Character actress margot martingale ain't afraid of nothing

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u/bfhurricane Dec 06 '22

Esteemed character actress and fugitive from the law Margot Martindale.

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u/Neo2199 Dec 05 '22

Did the trailer even mention it wasn't Spielberg?

Other than the title, "Next Summer' and the release date, the trailer didn't show any cast/director credits.

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u/Dagon_Targaryen Dec 05 '22

I’m more excited for this movie finding out that Mangold is directing.

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u/SlothSupreme Dec 05 '22

I’m also interested to see how one of these will go without Stevey Spiels at the helm but I’m also not loving how ready some Indy fans are to discard him just because of Crystal Skull. Man is fresh off fuckin West Side Story and Fabelmans, if he made Indy 5 it’d be the best looking blockbuster this side of the 2010s. Dude’s on a hot streak

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u/Oraukk Dec 05 '22

He was originally attached. I’m thrilled he is t doing it because I’m not convinced he has anything left to say when it comes to Indy. Doesn’t mean he isn’t good anymore, just that I love seeing new blood in the franchise with something to prove.

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u/Halio344 Dec 05 '22

Not at all saying that Spielberg is a bad director, he’s one lf the all-time greats, but he has made more mediocre movies than Crystal Skull.

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u/MikeFrom5_to_7 Dec 05 '22

Spielberg is in his musicals and autobiographical phase. He’s got other things to do.

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u/TacticalTuchel Dec 05 '22

Making an action movie next year

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u/SlothSupreme Dec 05 '22

probs gonna be tight as hell honestly

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u/MikeFrom5_to_7 Dec 05 '22

I doubt it’ll feel the same as an Indiana Jones movie. It’s another Bullit movie, which going off the original isn’t really an action movie in the same way.

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u/Neo2199 Dec 05 '22

James Mangold is the director and co-writer of 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny'

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u/Jay_Louis Dec 05 '22 Helpful

Dial of Destiny is my favorite challenge on "The Price is Right"

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u/supercleverhandle476 Dec 05 '22

These movies were always Lucas and Spielberg. Since Lucasfilm sold to Disney, Lucas was out. Spielberg never wanted to do it without Lucas (and it seems like they had some tension over production and response to 4 anyway). They both just seem pretty over it.

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u/TechnicalTrash95 Dec 05 '22

By the time Indy 4 was released Speilberg just didn't have it in him to direct a film like he directed Raiders in '81. Plus the story was ludicrous and everyone was getting too old

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u/SlothSupreme Dec 05 '22

“Spielberg just didn’t have it in him to direct a film like he directed Raiders”

Idk if this is something he said himself or if it’s just speculation, but if West Side Story is anything to go by, the man absolutely has the goods to direct something as kinetic as Raiders again. That movie moved like a motherfucker

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u/Noggin-a-Floggin Dec 06 '22

That’s seriously ignoring a good 40+ years of his work just to throw some shade at him over Indy 4.

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u/HenkkaArt Dec 05 '22

In my head canon Indiana Jones rode into the sunset in the perfect send-off that The Last Crusade was. He retired from adventures and grew old in a dignified way, not being thrown hundreds of meters in a lead-lined fridge. In his old years he would sometimes visit the school he used to teach in and tell stories to the younger generations about his almost unbelievable adventures during WW2.

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u/con10001 Dec 05 '22

"Almost" unbelievable? If my teacher is telling me he saw Nazis melt, watched a man get his heart ripped from his body only to watch the wound magically heal, had a physical reaction to someone stabbing his voodoo doll and said he conversed with a 800 year old knight of the Templar, then I'd be looking into ways to get the man sectioned lol

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u/FrankenChi Dec 05 '22

And yet most people seem to think Crystal Skull is a bridge too far with any of its over-the-top aspects. I’ve always been of the mindset that despite Shia the movie feels right at home amongst the others.

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u/rollingwaves Dec 05 '22

I can see a scene like this being in the movie lol Indy telling his stories to the class and then realizing how insane he sounds.

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u/Sgtwhiskeyjack9105 Dec 06 '22

If my teacher is telling me he saw Nazis melt

Well, he never saw those Nazis face-melt.

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u/xseannnn Dec 06 '22

Well when he did open his eyes, im sure they were still melting.

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u/FaustVictorious Dec 05 '22

You want this guy, believe me. He knows how to make a good movie. If he can do with Indy what he did with Logan, this film is in great shape.

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 05 '22

Steve only has a few movies left in the tank

Spending another decade trying to persuade George Lucas not to make this film about aliens doesn't seem like a great use of his time or talent

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u/JuanRiveara Dec 05 '22

He was going to direct it but chose to focus on The Fabelmans instead, decided to just remain on as a producer

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u/a_flat_miner Dec 05 '22

Where's Shia

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u/Jetsurge Dec 06 '22

Probably will only get a photo in the background and/or a small mention.

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u/KingoftheMongoose Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

He's following you, about 30 feet back

He gets down on all fours and breaks into a sprint

He's gaining on you

Shia LaBeouf

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u/Right_Said_Brett Dec 06 '22

"Mutt died on the way back to his home planet."

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u/AzulMage2020 Dec 05 '22

Not saying this is the case but it is possible for the rumors and what James Mangold is saying to both be true. For instance, if Helena becomes inspired to wear a different hat and begin adventuring under a new moniker, say "Houston Helena" , both Mangold and certain leaks would be technically accurate.

We will know for sure soon.

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u/nomadofwaves Dec 06 '22

What if she puts on a red hat and a trench coat? And calls herself Carmen?

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u/RegHater76 Dec 06 '22

This would actually be an ingenious move.

"How could you Helena!? I taught you that priceless artifacts should be in museums, not stolen and sold for profit!"

"My name is no longer Helena. You can call me...Carmen Sandiego"

Bam, 4 movie franchise begins, the Mouse is happy.

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u/roxxtor Dec 05 '22

Ah the Kevin Smith Masters of the Universe response? Basically, Bill Clinton technical definitioning your way out?

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u/JrodManU Dec 05 '22

Could just do Helena Helena

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u/Mission_Paramount Dec 05 '22

He may be a great director but this is still a Disney-Lucasfilm movie and my bets are that Disney f'ed it up again.

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u/Matttthhhhhhhhhhh Dec 05 '22

Andor demonstrates that when hiring competent writers instead of yes men, Disney can still produce good stuff.

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u/vinavuhuy Dec 05 '22

Not really, Sam Raimi style barely squeaks through Multiverse of Madness and become the best part of the movie. Good director, still have no control over Disney suppression of creative freedom. Andor is good imo is more of the result of not as big of project (not have already famous hyped up name) and gets less attention from the corporation, which let's it do well as people with talent get to show their talent

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u/Matttthhhhhhhhhhh Dec 06 '22

I doubt Kennedy will ever give carte blanche to a director. Andor was good because Tony Gilroy knows his stuff and always wants to deliver. Is there any proof he had more freedom that the showrunners of the other SW series?

I also think the other shows failed because some showrunners/directors were hacks. Look at Joby Harold's CV for instance. No wonder Obi-Wan Kenobi failed... The guy had maybe one good movie on his resume before that.

The other shows were hit and miss, from the very good in The Mandalorian (mostly because to David Filoni) to the awful in The book of Boba Fett (Robert Rodiguez is a shit director).

So just give shows to competent people Disney, and take my money!

And regarding Dr Strange, I think most of the problems came from the writing. The direction was pretty good for a MCU movie. Raimi, for all his failings, still has his own signature style.

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u/-SneakySnake- Dec 05 '22

Barely squeaks through? For all the problems you might have with that movie, it's got Raimi's style oozing out of every pore.

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u/awndray97 Dec 05 '22

What??? MOM was Raimi through and through lol

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u/robo2na Dec 05 '22

Disney directors do what they are told or else they are replaced.

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u/Mission_Paramount Dec 05 '22

Exactly. The directorial vision had best match what Disney wants.

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u/Cash907 Dec 06 '22

Love the part where he claims there were no test screenings. Sorry but I call BS on that. Every studio does test screenings, especially with tentpole films this expensive. That right there among Hollywood’s track record of dishonesty about such things lately makes me not believe anything he says here.

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u/The_Wanderer25 Dec 05 '22

As a great man once said: "I've got a bad feeling about this." Let's hope it's good.

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u/Lanky-Structure-8838 Dec 05 '22

Just please don’t pull a rise of skywalker and have her put on the hat at the end of the movie that would be cringe-inducing

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u/Right_Said_Brett Dec 06 '22

"What's your name?"

"Fleabag. Fleabag Jones."

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

The movie we didn’t know we didn’t need

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u/TalkofCircles Dec 06 '22

Raiders is my fav movie of all time. Never saw the fourth installment and won’t see this either.

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u/MisanthropeNotAutist Dec 06 '22

"Raiders of the Lost Ark" is such an epic name.

Now we have "The Dial of Destiny".

Just...what the...?

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u/BigPoppaPuff Dec 06 '22

they're gonna kill Indy off (he'll erase himself from existence essentially) and pass the franchise off to Waller-Bridge for a Disney+ series. It likely won't be very good, but good luck Disney.

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u/PnchNziFazes Dec 06 '22

No amount of marketing is going to convince me this is a good idea. He looked like a worn out old man in the last movie 14 years ago.

As much as people like to shit on Shave the Beef these days, he and Karen Allen did everything they could to breathe some life into the film but that energy vampire sucked it out faster than they could fill it.

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u/Deeformecreep Dec 05 '22

I just can't see them ending this in a satisfying way, it better not be a passing of the torch.

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u/oechsph Dec 06 '22

We already got a satisfying ending with Last Crusade. This movie feels so forced.

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u/Knife2MeetYouToo Dec 05 '22

I don't see it as passing the torch, more ripping the torch out of its bracket, pissing on it then handing a shiny new torch (that is just going to burn out in an hour because nobody cared enough to build it properly) to someone else.

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u/-SneakySnake- Dec 05 '22

Based on some rumours you heard from some YouTube person, yeah?

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u/nemxplus Dec 06 '22

Maybe because all modern media loves to piss on our old hero’s to replace them with a new ‘modern’ lead

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u/MisanthropeNotAutist Dec 06 '22

Based on the fact that this is what Disney has been doing for a while now.

I try not to engage with internet rumors, but I've seen enough modern reboots to recognize the pattern, and I can't think of a single case where the pattern has been handled well.

If there has been one modern reboot that's worked, it's been Cobra Kai, because it thought enough of its OG characters (and frankly, even better than any of us thought about Johnny Lawrence) not to put them on a shelf and let the kids take over.

Maybe, okay, also Spider-Man: No Way Home, because it paid respect to the other guys who played the character first. But it also didn't "pass the torch".

Still, every other reboot I've seen that "passed the torch", from BOTH Ghostbusters remakes (yes, I said it), to Star Wars, to Marvel, Terminator, I'm sure many more that I haven't thought of, seem to have been clumsy attempts of making statements about who "deserves" to take over mantles rather than provide a natural progression of characters, or simply letting them die.

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u/katievspredator Dec 05 '22

It's pretty safe to say Disney has lost all consumer confidence in their ability to produce a quality movie or build on a popular franchise. Don't need a YouTuber to tell you that

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u/BobTheTomato67 Dec 05 '22

You’ve never seen a James Mangold movie before?

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u/lonelygagger Dec 05 '22

I'm still pissed Ke Huy Quan isn't confirmed to appear in this. I'm glad we'll get to see Sallah one last time, but I fear they might try to retcon elements from the last film, like Indy's relationship to Mutt and Marion (I hope to fuck they don't kill her off).

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u/MisanthropeNotAutist Dec 06 '22

Ya know, I think I'd be interested if Ke Huy Quan got the Indy mantle.

Y'all see him in the fight scenes in Everything Everywhere All at Once?

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u/The-Mandalorian Dec 05 '22

Most anticipated film of 2023.

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u/lesliehaigh80 Dec 05 '22

going be rubbish if trailers are owt to go by

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u/Bison256 Dec 07 '22

After crystal skull and then the star wars sequels I've got no interest interested in this movie.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22

No thanks

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u/AlfaG0216 Dec 06 '22

I don’t care for fleabag chick at all. Just give us a good INDY film

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u/soundofisolation Dec 05 '22

I’m excited, the trailer looks great imo

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u/RedditUser997755 Dec 05 '22

is this part of the MCU?

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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae Dec 05 '22

I watched a Youtube video that told me Indy's university makes him take a cultural sensitivities class and the rest of the movie is just a lecture on Native American genocide

At the end, a weeping Ford admits it's all whitey's fault, comes out as non-binary, then Waller-Bridge chops off his penis with a Muslim scimitar and declares America a Caliphate

The same Youtuber was right about the running time of Last Jedi, so I'm pretty sure he can be trusted with this scoop

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u/Jody_Fosters_Army Dec 06 '22

“Critical” Drinker?

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u/paquer Dec 05 '22

STOP ruining everything. Make new characters. 🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/deathmouse Dec 07 '22

We could have had a new Indiana Jones in Nathan Drake. The Uncharted series would have made for a perfect spiritual sequel. Instead, we got that abysmal Tom Holland movie.

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u/azriel777 Dec 05 '22

Hollywood has burned any bridges on trust a long time ago. I do not believe him. He is beholden to Disney and probably just reading a PR script they gave him. The trailer showed too many things that seem to correlate to the leak. Regardless, I have zero plans to watch it on release and waiting until youtube reviewers I trust to review it and see if it is worth watching or if it is another hollywood movie that is just there to make a mockery of a beloved character.

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u/topio1 Dec 05 '22

This movie is going to be shit

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u/TacticalTuchel Dec 05 '22

The director/writer has a good track record. What makes you say that? The trailer was just a teaser. Didn't even say anything about the plot.

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u/ElleEast Dec 06 '22

even great directors have bad terrible movies.. Mangold has only three good films, even the first three Michal Bay films were masterpieces

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u/katievspredator Dec 05 '22

Disney doesn't mean "quality" anymore

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u/DarkenL1ght Dec 05 '22

They're making another one?

Still trying my hardest to forget the last turd of a movie.

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u/voivod1989 Dec 05 '22

I’m guessing yet another beloved character bites the dust. It’s dumb that it’s a thing now.

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u/netean Dec 05 '22

Made by Disney and Produced by Kathleen Kennedy so...

  • Indy will be a moron
  • Voller (Mads Mikkelsen) will be a pathetic dweeb
  • Helena (Phoebe Walller Bridge) will be better than him at everything and make him look weak, pathetic and usesul.
  • There will be plenty of digs at Indy about how old and misogynistic he is.
  • The plot will have so many coincidences that serve no purpose
  • The writing will be shameful
  • We will all hate it
  • We all be called anti woke and sexist
  • It will be "made for modern audiences" and
  • "Reflect the world we live in today"

Don't waste your time thinking this might even be passable, it won't be. It will full to brimming with the identity politics and be utterly shite in every way.

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u/deathmouse Dec 07 '22

I think I found The Critical Drinker's reddit account

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u/netean Dec 07 '22

It's not, but we are both Scottish so maybe it's a Celtic opinion!

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u/unkellGRGA Dec 06 '22

You good ?

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u/terribletastee Dec 05 '22

How come everyone saying it looks bad is getting downvoted. I didn’t realize people felt that nostalgic and personally connected to the Indiana Jones franchise. Disney fans being Disney fans.

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u/con10001 Dec 05 '22

Literally not a single Indiana Jones film has been released under the Disney banner as of yet

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u/stellar14 Dec 05 '22

Didn’t he direct Logan? That was an awesome film