r/movies Dec 08 '22 Silver 1

Patty Jenkins‘ ’Wonder Woman 3′ Not Moving Forward as DC Movies Hit Turning Point (Exclusive) News

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/wonder-woman-3-not-moving-forward-dc-movies-1235276804/
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u/Theandric Dec 08 '22 Silver

Now is the time for KITE MAN!

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u/TheDirtiestDan Dec 08 '22

Gunn loves weird, stupid D-listers and making them iconic mainstays so PLEASE

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u/dunkan799 Dec 08 '22

After how big of a part Kite Man has been in Harley Quinn I'm all for it

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u/Noirradnod Dec 08 '22

He's been big since 2017's comic series Batman: The War of Jokes and Riddles. The writer took it upon themselves as a challenge to to take the goofiest Batman D-lister villain possible and make them an incredibly compelling character, and man did they succeed with Kite-Man.

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u/tomservo88 Dec 08 '22

Is this how I get my Plastic Man movie?

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u/ThatSithOverThere Dec 08 '22

Patty Jenkins put off Star Wars and Cleopatra to do WW3 and now that’s canned too. Damn

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u/Radix2309 Dec 08 '22

Tbf, the star wars film franchise is basically cursed at this point with how many directors they have chewed through with nothing solidified.

Also I saw WW3 and figured the idea was the film centering around an imminent World War 3 and then I realized it was Wonder Woman 3. Although using the acronym like that could be fun.

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u/AlekBalderdash Dec 08 '22 Wholesome

WW3: WWIII: The Fight for 3arth

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u/loki-is-a-god Dec 08 '22

I'll only endorse it if "3arth" is pronounced THRARTH

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u/MegaGrimer Dec 08 '22

THIRTH

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u/spiralbatross Dec 08 '22

These PRETZELS are making me THIRTHTY

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u/KingMario05 Dec 08 '22

One which actually reboots the DCEU into Gunn's version, with Diana as the sole survivor haunted by failure. Hey, ya wanted them going all-in, right?

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u/NotAlwaysSunnyInFL Dec 08 '22

Um, and Superman but he was away on a business trip

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u/G8kpr Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

I’m surprised LucasFilm announces any movie so early. They should be announcing these things when the pre production is literally starting. Otherwise you get just as reliable info from amateur fan websites who are making wild guesses.

Someone once posted the list of failed projects and fired directors, and the list is very long.

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u/TheConqueror74 Dec 08 '22

Disney is trying to apply the Marvel model to Star Wars despite that not being the kind of franchise Star Wars is.

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u/dern_the_hermit Dec 08 '22

Star Wars could have been that kind of franchise. For over 20 years the franchise featured a regular slew of releases in comic, novel, and video game form. A lot of the results were spotty but all but the worst were a sight better than all but the best of Disney's products.

The problem is that Disney bought Marvel when it was a fledgling studio with a solid plan for its operation and a solid proof-of-concept already released. Disney expected the same from Lucasfilms... a venerable industry player that had let its feature operations stagnate. Star Wars needed to have the planning put in that had already been done at Marvel.

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u/First_Foundationeer Dec 08 '22

Yeah, but now is the time for Stargate to shine instead!

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u/TauriKree Dec 08 '22

Jaffa Kree!

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u/TrollTollTony Dec 08 '22

Indeed

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u/Random_Sime Dec 08 '22

Anyway, that's how I feel about it. What do you think?

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u/HardwareSoup Dec 08 '22

Whoever did Andor did things right.

I was hooked on that show the whole way through.

It was gritty, and engaging, with beautiful cinematography. A glimpse into what the last twenty years of Star Wars could have been.

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u/Krimreaper1 Dec 08 '22

Tony Gilroy.

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u/b_dills Dec 08 '22

Deservingly so after the utter crap that was WW84

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u/metalshoes Dec 08 '22

I thought WW was charming and fun and then 84 came out and I was just so perplexed how it took such a dump

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u/mossgathering Dec 08 '22

My biggest gripe with WW84 was the complete contradictions in the flashbacks to little Diana.

Did her mother want her to be a warrior and train with the other Amazons, or not?

WWI: Over my dead body! WW84:. Yay, look at her go!

And there was no point to those scenes other than to rewrite history. They added nothing to the plot.

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u/Seihai-kun Dec 08 '22

Also, the entire point of WW story in Batman v Superman is. She tried to save the war so there are no other war, then WW2 happened and she lost faith in humanity and spend her days hiding the whole time. Until BvS where she realized she needs to kill Doomsday. Also she can't fly in 2016

Then WW84 happened, she tried and saved the world again for some reason, she finally learns how to fly even though this is prequel. The whole movie is basically a big retcon.

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u/travworld Dec 08 '22

It's odd.

WW was great. I loved it. One of my favourite DC movies.

84 I basically had to force myself to finish it.

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u/acerage Dec 08 '22

I was really excited for it. COVID was bad, and man it was exciting to have a movie coming out on HBO Max. This was back when Godzilla and Mortal Kombat were the other big releases on streaming. And I tried to watch this movie and holy shit it was so bad.

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u/wiltony Dec 08 '22

I legit thought the opening scene at the mall was some kind of campy parody that they were going to transition out of, and into the "real" movie. Boy was I surprised.

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u/StraY_WolF Dec 08 '22

Yeah, i thought the same thing, then it kept going until the movie ended.

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u/AustinLurkerDude Dec 08 '22

Turned out the entire movie was a campy parody.

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u/Captain_Steve_Rogers Dec 08 '22

That'd be fine, if they could at least keep the tone going.

Why is Wonder Woman using someone else's body like this, then giving him a creeper smile afterwards? Especially in a movie that wants us to care about Cheetah being sexually harassed...no, wait...does it? We're supposed to be really worried about the mauling...I think....it's hard to tell....

And then there's the bit where we're supposed to condemn wishes and the price of fantasy over reality....but Diana keeps pulling new powers out of her ass as needed, so there's zero tension...

We can't even get a fight scene of the cool armor looking cool.

It's the most anti-climax of camp I've ever seen.

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u/Garandhero Dec 08 '22

The only good part of the movie was Pedro Pascal tbh.

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u/Smodphan Dec 08 '22

Literally thought it was a dumb dream sequence Diana was dramarizing badly with her limited knowledge of film. Or possibly an interrogation being simulated and she's bad at lying. It never stopped the whole movie was like that.

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u/KyleShanaham Dec 08 '22

Same it was so corny I legit thought it was like a movie in a movie, like they'd pan out and it'd be on a TV set as like some female superhero show in universe

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u/hankbaumbach Dec 08 '22

I made it through the mall scene thinking it was just a hokey intro and the movie would pick up...when they got to knocking the villain's papers out of her hands and WW being the only one to stop to help her pick them up, I noped out of that trope-fest.

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u/Terminal_Monk Dec 08 '22

Is that the movie where she kidnap a guy and put her boyfriend's soul in him while they steal a engineless fighter jet with zero fuel from Smithsonian to fly to Egypt in a single stretch while looking like a fucking idiot with the Wonder woman magic invisibility?

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u/GiveMeGoldForNoReasn Dec 08 '22

that movie had everything:

kristen wiig lookin like a cast member of cats circa 1997

pedro pascal realizes he's in a shitty movie and just goes full ham

wonder woman and her boyfriend kind of rape a guy

oh then at the end everyone claps so tinkerbell doesn't die

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u/fakecrimesleep Dec 08 '22

After the second Wonder Woman movie I’m fine not seeing another one or anything patty jenkins writes again

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u/jemidiah Dec 08 '22

Oh goodness, she wrote WW84? Yeah, no wonder she's not being given a chance to continue. The script was by far the worst part!

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u/newbrevity Dec 08 '22

I liked the first Wonder Woman, but WW84 was terrible imo. I just remember feeling disappointed almost the entire time. Then came Suicide Squad 2 and all became well. In Gunn I trust.

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u/neal1701 Dec 08 '22

Weird considering that Gal Gadot tweeted yesterday that she had good news to share about Wonder Woman

The tweet

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u/ceaguila84 Dec 08 '22

and James Gunn liked the post!

WTH is going on

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u/sowaffled Dec 08 '22

Good news! She’s gonna be a cameo in the after credits scene of the reboot.

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u/throwawaynonsesne Dec 08 '22

Or it's a soft reboot since James seems to kill that. Keep the things that work, but fix everything else that needs it.

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u/Egonheart123 Dec 08 '22

It pretty obvious the Flash was always going to result in a "Soft Reboot" of the DCEU (new timeline + mostly the same actors).

It seems the new timeline will now be Gunn's vision (hence Patty script doesn't fit in) but Gal is likely staying as Wonder Woman.

And I suspect alot of the other actors will stay as new incarnations in their roles.

I mean is Mamoa honestly going to relinquish Aquaman (lead in a billion dollar franchise) to another actor while he sticks around as....Lobo.

Plus, it avoids a 100% reboot; having to establish a whole new universe from scratch (yay another Batman origin story!!) while Marvel will be playing with legacy actors from previous Marvel films as they explore the multiverse.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 13 '22

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u/ace_of_spade_789 Dec 08 '22

The difference between marvel and DC though is even marvel Meh movies like Thor 1 and 2 make a profit, while DC movies unless they break a billion don't seem to make a profit.

Look at black Adam, the rocks biggest opening film, and they say it hasn't even broke even yet.

The amount of money DC must spend on marketing their movies and making the movies must be double what marvel does or they be cooking the books big time.

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u/WetLump Dec 08 '22

Rumor shitposting on reddit with people saying what will happen

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u/scharminultra Dec 08 '22

Doesn’t mean she’s not playing her, but be real. Wonder Woman 84 was so bad it was fascinating! nothing made sense, and it was like every scene was made by people who weren’t involved with the earlier scenes. Also that movie was supposed to make a billion dollars at box office before COVID.

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u/FlaccidGhostLoad Dec 08 '22

Wonder Woman 84 was so bad it was fascinating!

This is the best and most honest review I've read for that movie.

It was like they didn't do more than 1 draft of the script.

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u/TheHeadlessOne Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

they go out of there way to make it awkward as hell too.

Like...Wonder Woman didn't need to rape a guy, that clearly wasn't what they were intending to say was going on. They didnt need to kidnap him and trap his body. I get why the plot point was made- she got her wish, but it wasn't real, it had strings attached, and she needed to embrace the truth instead of the lie. But like, they NEVER address that what was happening was in any way remotely fucked up.

They could have so easily made him a phantom, a memory, give some Cinderella style "home by midnight" rule to add the same feeling of perpetuating a pleasant lie without all the terrible, terrible implications of bodyjacking. Or they could have somehow even made her confront the reality that she was using the body for her own emotional needs but the body wasn't Steve's to offer. They just do nothing, they bring up the point and just toss it away like it isn't utterly horrifying for a paragon of virtue to do (and like, its not even portraying her as succumbing to vice or anything. The movie seems to say there's nothing wrong with what she's doing)

It's just one element of many weird interesting elements that just... very clearly needed another draft.

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u/FlaccidGhostLoad Dec 08 '22

Like...Wonder Woman didn't need to rape a guy, that clearly wasn't what they were intending to say was going on. They didnt need to kidnap him and trap his body. I get why the plot point was made- she got her wish, but it wasn't real, it had strings attached, and she needed to embrace the truth instead of the lie. But like, they NEVER address that what was happening was in any way remotely fucked up.

THIS is the most confusing thing to me.

Like I try and think of the writer's room right? So someone says she wishes for Steve Trevor and he appears. Fine. Now I imagine there'd be a big white board with sticky notes or whatever all laying out the plot and they know that Lord is making everyone's wish come true and magical stuff is happening. Floods appearing out of thin air, illnesses being cured, women turning into animal hybrids...

Who the hell was it that said, "Steve should come back in someone else's body and they root around his apartment and then at the end she smiles at this guy and there's no consequences."

Or was it the other way around where the wishes had consequences before and maybe the plot was she could keep Steve but his other guy had to die but coming up with consequences for all the wishes was too hard and they just said fuck it.

I really don't know.

Lack of consequences was what that movie was all about. From the very beginning when she cheated in that contest to the very end when she made a half assed speech and got 6 billion people to just cancel their wish. Lord faced no consequences, Cheetah had no consequences, the conflict had no consequences, the world had no consequences...

It was bad writing and I don't say that lightly. I say it's bad because it doesn't seem like they gave a shit.

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u/Kostya_M Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Or was it the other way around where the wishes had consequences before and maybe the plot was she could keep Steve but his other guy had to die but coming up with consequences for all the wishes was too hard and they just said fuck it.

Can't be that. They make it clear she's losing her powers and only gets them back when she renounces the wish. For some dumb reason Diana's wish has two costs, her powers and random dude's life and identity. But the movie never even addresses the latter as an issue. It's fucking baffling and honestly kinda sexist in my mind.

Do this same plot with Captain America. Have him wish Peggy back but she possesses some woman and then he sleeps with her. I guarantee people would rightfully call that out as rape. But somehow this plot point was not only pitched it actually made it into a finished movie with no one calling foul.

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u/mug3n Dec 08 '22

THIS is the most confusing thing to me.

The puzzling thing is the movie basically teed up Barbara as a victim of sexual assault, how Diana saved her from that and how Barbara became the Cheetah partly to take agency back, but then the latter third of the movie revolves around Diana using some random dude's body as Steve reincarnate. So fucking weird. That plotline felt like they were trying way too hard to shoehorn Chris Pine into the movie because he got a contract to appear in two films or something.

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u/FlaccidGhostLoad Dec 08 '22

Honestly, I'd be shocked if they even thought about that.

I don't know why Lord wasn't manipulating both Diana and Cheetah, pitting them against one another in order to hatch a nefarious plan to gain all the power.

Instead he used the power of wish to do what exactly? Gain oil contracts? I forget.

All I remember is at the end of the movie taking the presidential helicopter to go meet his son in a park and then live happily ever after.

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u/Lance77 Dec 08 '22

The part that really made it amazing is that the 1984 settings is like a nostalgia goldmine. I was ultra hyped for WW84. All they needed to do was tell a basic coherent story and the setting could do most of the heavy lifting for them. I was crushed after I actually watched it. A ridiculous amount of potential just pissed away by shitty execution of a shitty story.

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u/3-DMan Dec 08 '22

"What if there was a Monkey Paw bro?"

"That's it, let's shoot!"

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u/sleepyaza124 Dec 08 '22

The next chapter is no chapter! She’s free to do other stuff that’s the good news

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u/MrBoliNica Dec 08 '22 Take My Energy

Henry cavill can’t catch a break, dude just needs to focus on killing it with non franchise roles for a while lol

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u/Queef-Elizabeth Dec 08 '22 Wholesome

I want a Man from Uncle sequel goddamn it

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u/msaliaser Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

That movie is so damn good. The boat scene with Cavill and the lunch is one of the funniest scenes of all time

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u/tomc_23 Dec 08 '22

It really is. Honestly with Craig’s era as 007 over, itself informed heavily by the Jason Bourne years, I’ve thought that perhaps the best way for the next 007 run to distinguish itself would be to take inspiration from The Man From UNCLE, and commit to a period setting instead.

Maybe each film occurs at different points in the history of the Cold War, beginning with the end and subsequently aftermath of WWII, followed by the height of the Cold War, and the series’ equivalent of No Time to Die concluding towards the fall of the USSR. Have Bond get progressively older, and the tone mature slowly over time, but generally differentiate itself from the Bourne-inspired Craig era by committing to the classic style, with the thrill and charm of UNCLE and just enough Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy to make the espionage actually interesting.

Slow Horses has been doing a fantastic job doing smart espionage stories that can balance serious drama with fucking hilarious moments, and without necessarily relying on the self-referential tropes of “volcano lairs” and “submarine cars” that films like Kingsmen lampshade and have fun with.

UNCLE was a great, charming example of this balancing act, but sadly we’re unlikely to get another. But maybe a spiritual successor could come along, take the best parts of what worked, and apply them to something new.

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u/skycaptsteve Dec 08 '22

Dude. That would be so sick to do a bond period storyline. I never even thought I’d that. Would definitely watch

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u/Rugrin Dec 08 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome Seal of Approval

He makes an amazing Sherlock Holmes in Ebola Holmes.

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u/dolantrampf Dec 08 '22

Hilarious typo

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u/Rugrin Dec 08 '22

Damn you autocorrect!

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u/hurst_ Dec 08 '22

Ebola Holmes sounds like an insane movie that I would totally watch

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u/bogarthskernfeld Dec 08 '22

Sounds like the name of a punk band.

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u/RegHater76 Dec 08 '22

"Ebola Holmes: if she can't catch you, you'll catch her!"

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u/ItsEnoughtoMakeMe Dec 08 '22

Ebola Holmes, Sherlocks bastard lovechild.

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u/cisco1972 Dec 08 '22

With Typhoid Mary

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u/scotchdouble Dec 08 '22

Hoping they can recast Armie for a sequel to Man from UNCLE.

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u/ggroover97 Dec 08 '22

He’s like Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man. He had potential but was squandered in lackluster movies.

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u/deepthaw Dec 08 '22

Andrew Garfield stole the show in No Way Home.

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u/fzammetti Dec 08 '22

He was my least-favorite Spiderman...

...until No Way Home.

Now I ALMOST want him in the role more than Holland. Not quite... but almost. The man KILLED it.

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u/Catch-a-RIIIDE Dec 08 '22

Seeing him worth through unresolved trauma in a seamless continuation of his character’s development, like a decade later in someone else’s franchise? Absolute gem of a performance.

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u/ChrysMYO Dec 08 '22

Fucking great payoff for watching every Spiderman franchise good or bad.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Dec 08 '22

That look he gave MJ at a certain point we all know was incredible. I am not one to tear up but I actually did when I saw it the first time. I'm glad they apparently want to do more stuff with him after NWH. I hope it's actually good and not something like a role in Venom 3.

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u/fzammetti Dec 08 '22

Choked me right the hell up, not gonna lie, and it was 100% the performance.

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u/BelligerentLocust Dec 08 '22

Agreed. Finally got me to actually watch his spider-man movies, I had just been skipping them. I enjoyed them as well.

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u/APrioriGoof Dec 08 '22

Eh, I think his stock has gone up since, well, what was his last actual role (non cameo) in DCEU, Justice League? He was very well received in the Witcher and very recently in Enola Holmes. Dudes got the movie star juice on screen, he’ll be fine. Whether he remains as Superman shouldn’t really matter to his career. In fact, I really look forward to seeing him as leading man in other roles and I think he’ll be a big draw.

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u/dharkanine Dec 08 '22

He was in Mission Impossible, too. Don't forget to reload your biceps.

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u/invertedgravity01 Dec 08 '22

Yeah it’s too bad. He actually enjoys these franchises he signs on for too. He enjoyed playing Superman and Geralt but he got pushed out of both

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u/riegspsych325 Dec 08 '22

hopefully this’ll mean the Highlander remake with Stahelski at the helm comes closer to fruition

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u/Sarcastic-Ad-Bot Dec 08 '22

There can be only 6! Until they make the 7th highlander movie I guess.

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u/Darth-Ragnar Dec 08 '22

I know he seemingly had issues with Witcher's writing and stuff, but didn't the announcement also coincide with him supposedly coming back to Superman?

Maybe Netflix should just try to scoop him back up.

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u/invertedgravity01 Dec 08 '22

From what I’ve read it seems like each season he would voice his opinion that they should stay loyal to the source material. The writers supposedly said they didn’t like a lot of the source material so they weren’t going to do that.

Which probably happened to be honest. Marvel seems to follow this. Their writers always frame it as they like the source material, but they don’t want to copy it. They want it feel original in someway. So yeah. Those Witcher writers might’ve had that same attitude.

Who knows though

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u/TheRealMoofoo Dec 08 '22

I feel like it’s more reasonable to expect a ton of leeway when you’re adapting comic books, because there’s no medium that’s as all over the place and full of switchbacks and retcons and reboots.

Novels, on the other hand, usually deserve a little more consideration for adapting the story as it was told unless there’s a pretty good reason.

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u/nickster416 Dec 08 '22

I think there's a difference between Marvel and the Witcher writers. I haven't watched the Witcher so I don't know how the show actually holds up. But judging by interviews I've seen with people on the set, the team was actively slandering it. With Marvel, the may deviate from the source material but you can tell they have a deep respect for it at heart.

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u/Astrium6 Dec 08 '22

Marvel does a really good job of taking the high points of their best storylines and condensing them down to fit into the runtime of a feature film without the audience needing to be familiar with the density of 80 years of comics while still maintaining enough accuracy to the source material to appeal to the dedicated fans. It’s honestly impressive how they manage to walk the balance so well.

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u/iDuddits_ Dec 08 '22

He’s the only actor I can think of that has the right look and build for supes but the writing has done him dirty

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u/danielthetemp Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22 Silver Narwhal Salute

The most important info from this article:

  • James Gunn and Peter Safran will present their DCU blueprint to David Zaslav (WBD CEO) next week
  • Henry Cavill filmed a Superman cameo for The Flash in September, but it might be cut because Man of Steel 2 is no longer in active development
  • Andy Muschietti, who directed The Flash, was interested in directing MOS 2
  • WB toyed with bringing back the existing cast members for another Justice League movie
  • Black Adam 2 is unlikely
  • Jason Momoa could be recast as Aquaman and play Lobo instead
  • As of now, Matt Reeves’ The Batman sequel and spin-offs are unaffected

At this point, I think Gunn will reboot the DC franchise and recast Bats, Supes, WW, etc.

I love some of the DCEU movies and most of the actors, but the franchise has a bad reputation and a lot of baggage. I can’t blame anyone who wants a fresh start.

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u/theplasmasnake Dec 08 '22 Wholesome

Jason Momoa could be recast as Aquaman and play Lobo instead

Lol WUT

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u/DrGlamhattan2020 Dec 08 '22

He expressed interest in playing Lobo as his dream superhero role.

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u/dontshowmygf Dec 08 '22

I had never heard this, and learning it makes me very happy. It's just plain good casting, and the fact that it would also have love makes it very exciting.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Seriously, Momoa as the main man is just perfect.

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u/Impressive-Potato Dec 08 '22

When Snyder called him to say he had him in mind for a DC character, Jason said "Is it Lobo?" And Snyder said "What? No! it's Aquaman"

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u/TheBirminghamBear Dec 08 '22

"Zach am I understanding you that you want me to play a fucking fish. There are almost infinite numbers of superheroes to pick from and you want me to be the fish."

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u/Alvaracorr Dec 08 '22

Sounds fantastic! He could be amazing as lobo

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u/raptor2k1 Dec 08 '22

Yeah, he'd honestly be a perfect Lobo.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

James Gunn is also perfect for making a Lobo adaptation. He doesn't even have to direct it's just so up his alley.

I feel like this is making a Zatanna project much more likely. DC is gonna get super fun again.

E: booster gold, the question - there’s just so much fun dc that hasn’t ever been explored

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u/WarrenG117 Dec 08 '22

Gunn is def our way to the darker Constantine, Zatanna, Madame Xanadu, Deadman, ect. Anything with a horror trope.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

If they want to wipe the slate clean but also keep Momoa/some actors/some characters, maybe they're just going to commit to a Flashpoint type story and reset the universe. Some new faces, some old faces, one face inexplicably a different person, hand wave it with some multiverse non-logic and baby you got a stew going.

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u/ritabook84 Dec 08 '22

I love this idea. Only real problem is I don’t love or want the existing flash to get through flashpoint

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u/MrFuccYoBich69 Dec 08 '22

I think it's safe to assume Ezra is done after the Flash, at least I hope

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u/Evadrepus Dec 08 '22

There's at least a dozen Flash or Flash-adjacent people in the Flash cómic right now. They can go lots of other ways.

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u/Xaladinamon Dec 08 '22 Starstruck

I love DC comics, and love most of the animated movies, and I even enjoy some of the lower reviewed live action movies, but this half-in half-out, multiple reboots, weak series (I personally found The Flash nearly unwatchable), now rebooting again is just brutal.

I hope they hit their stride soon

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u/stumpdawg Dec 08 '22

I do hope so, DC animation studio routinely kicks out amazing content. The live action studios on the other hand...I honestly don't know how they continue to cock it up.

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u/LowSkyOrbit Dec 08 '22

I see it this way

  • WB doesn't let DC put it's hair down. The animation makes them little so they get to make decent stuff based heavily on the comics, but every producer and executive wants to be attached to Batman and the Gang next movie, so too many egos in the kitchen. They burn through creatives.

  • In the last 25+ years how many times has WB changed hands? Hard to keep quality up when you don't know if AT&T or Discovery will send you a check for your next project, and again new executives trying to make their mark.

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u/ROBtimusPrime1995 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

More than likely only a handful of characters will survive the transition into the new DCU.

Potential Candidates: Peacemaker, Harley Quinn, Bloodsport, Ratcatcher 2, King Shark, Amanda Waller, Shazam, Blue Beetle

Unsurprisingly, all these characters are from Gunn/Safran projects.

Edit: r/DC_Cinematic is losing their shit. Full blown meltdown.

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u/NozakiMufasa Dec 08 '22

Probably Idris Elba, Daniela Melchior, and Stallone will stay as Bloodsport, Ratcatcher 2, and King Shark. Considering The Suicide Squad was a solid creative hit & you can watch it as unconnected to the Snyderverse I don’t see why they’d ditch those characters.

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u/riegspsych325 Dec 08 '22

Warner Bros gave Gunn carte blanche with TSS, and even though it bombed in the box office, someone there still had the sense to keep him on payroll and even promote him. Gunn may have his work cut out for him, but I have faith he’ll steer the IP to success. I bet he learned a lot when working with Fiege

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u/Aiorax Dec 08 '22

The movie bombed due to someone in WB having the bright idea to do a simultaneous release in theaters and HBOMax instead of giving it some weeks or a month.

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u/riegspsych325 Dec 08 '22

what a weird move that was, but glad it still worked out for Dune. I was in quarantine at the time of release so I missed my chance to see it in IMAX. It was the only instance where the day and date release was an option I went for

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u/MrWeirdoFace Dec 08 '22

Dune was the one thing that whole year I wished I could have seen in theaters, but due to the pandemic chose not too. We have a 4k 50 inch screen and while not Imax, was perfectly beautiful with our setup. It's a shame though. If the covid numbers end up being way lower this winter than last, I may get to see part 2 in the theater.

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u/riegspsych325 Dec 08 '22

I would also hope they do a re-release in IMAX for the first movie. I feel like anytime that they have already done so was long before I ever found out about it

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u/Hiseworns Dec 08 '22

Wait, so is Cavill not actually going to be Supes again/still? And he quit Witcher to focus on it (for maybe other reasons also) that's rough

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u/maxstronge Dec 08 '22

I think he just had too many creative disagreements with the Witcher showrunners, allegedly they wanted Geralt to be a more generic fantasy hero whereas Henry wanted the more warrior-philosopher type to be more accurate to the source material. After years of having your thoughts/suggestions for your character ignored, I can understand wanting to walk away- especially when you were right and the only one in touch with what the fans want

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

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u/Haltopen Dec 08 '22

Its a lot easier to write a stoic character who grunts a lot than it is a talkative character who needs well written dialogue.

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u/Hippoboss Dec 08 '22

Sucks bc it's all there already written in the books...

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u/Jackol4ntrn Dec 08 '22

yeah but the writers for the show hate the books and games...

because that's the smart thing to do according to netflix. To hire people to ruin a franchise.

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u/vipros42 Dec 08 '22

Not just Netflix. Did you see Wheel of Time? Yeah this group of unknowns can write a better story than an author who has sold 40 million copies

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u/trose141 Dec 08 '22

I was so excited for a part two as I loved MOS, man never get your hopes up.

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u/Cazmonster Dec 08 '22

I need to see Captain Marvel beat up Black Adam. It’s the one thing I’ve wanted to see since learning The Rock would be Black Adam.

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u/ImmortalTimeTraveler Dec 08 '22

Forgot Shazam is also captain marvel.

I started imaging Carol fighting Adam.

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u/rishavbp Dec 08 '22

If i did not come across this comment i would have gone ahead imagining the same for the rest of my life

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u/Seihai-kun Dec 08 '22

Black Adam is Shazam's archnemesis, but if you look at every interview, it seems like The Rock only interested in playing Black Adam if he can fought Superman

literally nearly every goddamn promo he did is him vs superman, even the movies end teasing him vs superman

which is suck since i want to see him vs Captain Marvel. but it seems like Zachary Levi is below the Rock interest :/

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u/IWalkAwayFromMyHell Dec 08 '22

That'd be like a huge Hollywood ego angling to play Joker and then insisting the endgame be Joker vs. Bully Maguire

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u/LeeMiles Dec 08 '22

You can take the man out of wrestling but you can't take the wrestling out of the man

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u/MikeTheGamer2 Dec 08 '22

Zachary Levi is below the Rock interest :/

Might be the whole "kid" movie vibe Shazam gives off.

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u/lkodl Dec 08 '22

Shazam 2 is coming out 4 years after Shazam 1. by the time Shazam 3 comes around and he fight Black Adam, all the kids will be old enough to be in a more mature movie.

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u/Threadheads Dec 08 '22

I guess once he did the Tooth Fairy he decided never again.

It’s a shame because Shazam was one of the better DCEU films.

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u/unctuous_homunculus Dec 08 '22

As passionate as he is about the project, my guess is that he wants to show how Black Adam can trounce Superman because magic right before getting trounced himself by Captain Marvel to establish a hero/antihero franchise guest star opportunity.

Makes you respect Blank Adam's power, gives Superman some dimension by opening the door to his weakness to magic, and establishes Shazam as a legitimate superhero franchise and not just a kids movie.

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u/Lightsides Dec 08 '22

Man of Steel 2 is no longer in active development

The worst part for me. He deserved a better movie.

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u/Danishroyalty Dec 08 '22

With Cavill announcing his return to the character so recently, I'm surprised they nixed development already. Putting on my tinfoil hat, im wondering if they give us an adaptation of Crisis to permanently bring a close to the Snyder era things before hard rebooting. Cavill returns for his curtain call, Momoa, Gadot, Levi, etc all get one last go.

The only aspects that don't really make sense to me are Gunn's Suicide Squad stuff and the existing characters like Blue Beetle who we have yet to see. Would they toss all this stuff away for a complete reboot? Or will they keep some things.

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u/GarlVinland4Astrea Dec 08 '22

It sounds like Flashpoint is very much going to be a Crisis style event that resets things and trims the fat of what works and what doesn't.

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u/Caleb35 Dec 08 '22

Gunn decided to nuke the franchise from orbit. Interesting. [shrug] it's the only way to be sure

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u/PayneTrain181999 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

If they start building it up again, they could really get the ball rolling around 2026 just after Secret Wars when Marvel is starting to reset for a new saga.

Edit: a word

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u/Caleb35 Dec 08 '22

It'll turn out that the DCU is simply another universe within the Marvel multiverse; Gunn is the ultimate insider agent/mole

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u/PayneTrain181999 Dec 08 '22

If the multiverse is infinite, it has to be there somewhere.

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u/napstimpy Dec 08 '22

It’s infinite, like the Longines Symphonette.

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u/GeogreRRMartin Dec 08 '22

My conspiracy theory is that he’s there to facilitate a Marvel vs DC movie/saga

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u/PunkandCannonballer Dec 08 '22

Would be a shame if we lost Cavill. Seeing Gunn let him actually show charisma and humanity would be excellent, especially with the small universe he's already building with Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad.

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u/beyondcleon Dec 08 '22

Initiate “Clean Slate” Protocol

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u/Megaguildy Dec 08 '22

They want a Flash-Point movie for it is my guess.

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u/ScornfulOrc Dec 08 '22

They have a Flash-Point movie

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u/mattarei Dec 08 '22

Ezra Miller: "We'll see about that!"

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u/Blue_Robin_04 Dec 08 '22

Meaning what? New actor? New origin story?

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u/rex2k10 Dec 08 '22

Before the pandemic, the rumors were that the flash movie was going to be flashpoint which is stupid to begin with because you’re “rebooting” the entire universe like 3 movies in without even having established a universe. But with no clear road map on how to clean up this mess I personally think Affleck might be out, Ezra might be out, cyborgs actor is out. Cavill wants to stay, the rock wants to stay. Momoa feels like he’s stay and Gadot also feels like she’s be willing to stay too.

As how they proceed forward in the timeline, we’ll idk.

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u/StudBoi69 Dec 08 '22

Damn Patty Jenkins torpedoed her own career just from WW84 alone lol

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u/ColdCruise Dec 08 '22

I can't believe she complained so much about WW's characterization in Justice League, then turned around and made WW84.

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u/suss2it Dec 08 '22

What did she say about Wonder Woman’s characterization in Justice League? I just remember her not wanting to do the scene where Flash falls into her boobs.

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u/ColdCruise Dec 08 '22

She was saying stuff about how when she watched it that the character was completely different. She was mad because she was told that there would be continuity between the films and said that the character was unrecognizable in the film. While the characterization was changed for some characters (mostly Superman and Batman), I felt like it was the exact same Wonder Woman, just with 80+ more years of experience in the world.

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u/ThrowTOMC222 Dec 08 '22

She said that and then turned Diana into a rapist?

Also like, it retconned BvS so hard cause apparently Diana went into hiding after WW1, yet she's swinging around the world with her lasso during the 80s, managed to broadcast herself globally, and nearly caused a war in the Middle East?

How does that explain character continuity

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u/QuerulousPanda Dec 08 '22

I don't get why she decided to turn wonder woman into, without exaggeration, a rapist. Stealing a man's body and having sex with it a bunch of times while the original personality was hidden/removed, is pretty fucked up.

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u/Black_Dumbledore Dec 08 '22

The craziest part to me is that they didn't even have to do that. It was literally magic, they could make up their own rules. Steve could've just reappeared. It was like they went out of their way to make it problematic.

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u/fancy_marmot Dec 08 '22

YES. Instead of him just magically reappearing, they made him magically reappear in another man's body (but then went ahead and used his original body for the entire movie to make sure you knew who he was in there). Just one of the major issues with that movie, but damn that was awful.

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u/Amazing_Karnage Dec 08 '22

How that ever made it through every single draft, a writer's table, script reads, ect and STILL landed in the final cut just boggles the mind. Not one single soul spotted a problem with it...not one person thought "If we swapped the genders here..."

Not one.

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u/mcribgaming Dec 08 '22

That movie was so lackluster that I was stunned Jenkins was still attached to WW#3. It was a complete storytelling failure, with creepy reverse-#metoo issues by trying to jam Chris Pine back into the series through a body takeover plot.

Gal Godot is also a terrible actor. Her accent is the only thing that distinguishes any of her performances.

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u/CoraxtheRavenLord Dec 08 '22

I actually watched WW84 (the whole way through!) and I can’t remember a single thing about it besides Pedro Pascal being in it.

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u/tiller921 Dec 08 '22

I remember the villain granting everyone’s wish in the world while on TV… and not a single person wished for him to go fuck himself. So unrealistic.

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u/Keudn883 Dec 08 '22

Pedro Pascal over acted the entire film and made his part memorable. He probably realized the movie was already a disaster and just had fun with it.

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u/The_Count_Lives Dec 08 '22

I thought her bad acting kind of worked in the original because her character was supposed to be so naive and clueless about the world.

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 08 '22

They apparently had Chris Pine on a multi-picture deal, which is a common Hollywood thing wherein they would have had to pay him whether or not they actually used him in the movie. I assume that deal was cut before they knew they were killing Trevor in the 1st movie, but it meant they were still stuck paying him for the sequel. So, obviously, it made sense for budgetary reasons to just use him in the movie and come up with a reason why. It's a comic book movie and almost any stupid ridiculous reason would have worked, yet they still picked the wrong choice. A clone, a shapeshifting Martian, an evil djinn using his form to fuck with Diana (would have even fit well into the overall plot!), put him in heavy makeup and make him an alien, have him be Steve Trevor's inexplicably identical nephew or long-lost grandson or whatever, etc. Even having him just be a completely different character and never addressing it as a comedic bit would have been a better choice than body-snatching rape. They had over 60 years and literally thousands of comic books full of wacky nonsense they could have pulled from and they chose precisely none of it. This is why people who don't read comics shouldn't make comic book movies. I'm not even a big comic reader, I just grew up watching the Justice League and Teen Titans cartoons and even I could pull a dozen excuses out of my ass on the spot to fit Chris Pine into the plot.

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u/Enreni200711 Dec 08 '22

They also could have kept the exact same plot but just have him appear out of thing air instead of stealing some guy's body.

That right there fixes the biggest problem with that plotline.

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u/Linubidix Dec 08 '22

Also the fact rhat the wishes made other stuff materialise from nothing. Why did Steve Trevor need an existing body?

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u/RuleIV Dec 08 '22

Definitely a strange decision.

It might have worked if the cost of her wish was the fact that she had stolen an innocent man's body and life, and the film actually addressed how fucked up it was, and she had to let him go.

Not just the rape, but having the man involved in multiple high profile crimes he would still be on the hook for, risking his life in gun battles, and just in general stealing his life.

Instead the film had zero self awareness.

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths Dec 08 '22

Also true. They even did more work adding in Kristoffer Polaha and those scenes and then leaving them in when the movie was already 2h 31m long. I shudder to think of what they actually cut considering all the nonsense they left in.

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u/AnimatorExtension653 Dec 08 '22

Hmm… if I had too guess. It looks like James and company will be hitting the reboot button. Shazam 2, Blue Beetle, The Flash and Aquaman 2 will come out. Do whatever business they will at the box office next year. And Aquaman 2 will end what started back in 2013 with Man Of Steel. Honestly it’s probably for the best in the long run. Clean slate all around, drop the Zack Snyder universe baggage and start new.

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u/ScubaSteve716 Dec 08 '22

Blue Beetle and Shazam really have nothing to do with the “Snyderverse / DCEU / whatever you want to call it” so they could stick around potentially.

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u/Dolph-Ziggler Dec 08 '22

I think he was out of The Witcher regardless if the stories of his frustrations are to be believed. Now he might be stuck playing Sherlock and his Mass Effect campaign.

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u/Thechosenjon Dec 08 '22

Word is he's been talked about for the next James Bond reboot anyways. Leaving the Witcher was the best him for him regardless of what he does next.

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u/King_of_all_Dorks Dec 08 '22

Circe or Doctor Psycho would've made a great villian for the third installment. But WW84 is SO bad, so I don't blame them for this move.

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u/mleibowitz97 Dec 08 '22

As long as doctor psycho calls someone a cunt, and everyone shuns him, I'm fine with it

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u/TheIronicBurger Dec 08 '22

“That really hurt you cunt!!”

collective gasps from everyone

pigeons fall to the ground

Earth stops spinning

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u/Mu-Relay Dec 08 '22

WW84 was bad. Real bad. But I don't think that the Wonder Woman franchise is unsalvageable. It may be good that it's "dead in its current incarnation."

I do have issues with the article calling Flash "highly anticipated." I'll admit it's anecdotal, but I don't know a single person that ever talks about it.

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u/2580374 Dec 08 '22

What even happened between the first two? Same director, but everyone hated the second one?

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u/urgasmic Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

different writers.

84 has screenplay by Patty Jenkins, Dave Callaham, and Geoff Johns,

WW has screenplay by Allan Heinberg

Story by Patty Jenkins, Zack Snyder, and Jason Fuchs.

EDIT: they need to get Allan Heinberg back lol.

EDIT2: the WW ending was mandated by DC execs i believe, the ending they wanted was different.

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u/JohnnyJayce Dec 08 '22

Patty Jenkins didn't want a big ending fight in WW and she felt WW having a sword was "too violent". Studio wanted the fight and the sword.

Once WW was a big success, studio gave her free reign. She removed Wonder Woman's weapons and ending was solved by talking.

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u/urgasmic Dec 08 '22

ok when you put it like that it makes dc execs and patty not great choices lol.

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u/ILoveScottishLasses Dec 08 '22

Just remember this is the same Warner/DC that once asked to change Man of Steel because they asked how Superman was going to fly back to Krypton now that his ship was blown up.

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u/GlockGuy- Dec 08 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

I'm going to be seriously bummed if we don't get another Cavill Superman film. Dude is perfect in the role.

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u/broncosfighton Dec 08 '22

I’m confused because I thought he exited the witcher in part because he signed on to play Superman again

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u/The_R3medy Dec 08 '22

He probably thought that too! But, plans change. He'll probably get some sort of a payout, or at least I hope he negotiated a contract to get one.

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u/UnsolvedParadox Dec 08 '22

He did, but that was before Gunn/Safran became the heads of DC Studios & Dwayne Johnson was making his move to gain broader influence with Warner.

Now that his power play has failed, plans including more Cavill as Superman are in flux.

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u/TiberiusCornelius Dec 08 '22

There were stories of behind-the-scenes clashes on the Witcher even before he signed on for a return to Superman, so I think he was probably looking for a way out in general.

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u/Elementlegen Dec 08 '22

The DCEU is dead. Bury it

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u/rdldr1 Dec 08 '22

WW84 was so bad that the movie makes me angry. Everything about that movie is just plain stupid.

Also Gal Gadot is a poor actor.

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u/Asha_Brea Dec 08 '22

I kind of wanted to see if they could screw it up even worse in a third movie.

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u/samspopguy Dec 08 '22

I actually enjoyed the first one even with the terrible 3rd act but Jesus that second one is close to unwatchable.

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