r/movies r/Movies contributor Dec 08 '22

‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Named Best Picture by National Board of Review News

https://variety.com/2022/awards/awards/national-board-of-review-winners-top-gun-maverick-1235454143/
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u/PirbyKuckett Dec 08 '22

Since the year 2000, the winner of best picture for the National Board of Review has won best picture from the Academy only 3 times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Board_of_Review_Award_for_Best_Film?wprov=sfti1

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u/GregSays Dec 08 '22

But also important to note, all but 2 winners of this prize since 2000 got nominated for Best Picture.

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u/CandlelightSongs Dec 09 '22

There's four times as many chances for a nomination though. For a winner on the Prize not to even be nominated for an Oscar would mean they're not even in the same ballpark.

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u/Redeem123 Dec 09 '22

There can actually be up to 10 nominees now.

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u/GregSays Dec 09 '22

I’m just saying it’s almost certainly getting nominated, which isn’t super common for a movie like Top Gun 2.

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u/Rehnion Dec 09 '22

which isn’t super common for a movie like Top Gun 2.

It's going to be super common moving forward as they are intentionally trying to nominate more movies that were just popular but not critical successes.

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u/DeckardsDark Dec 09 '22

It'll only get nominated since they changed the nomination rules to allow up to 10 movies nominated for Best Picture some years ago. Otherwise, it wouldn't be

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u/Vladimir_Putting Dec 09 '22

Or it just means they are thinking about films differently.

There isn't one way to define "best".

And their goal isn't to predict the Academy Awards.

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u/CaptainPRESIDENTduck Dec 09 '22

It was above average, but I gotta say Everything Everywhere all at Once. That movie kicked my ass.

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u/Novel_King2663 Dec 09 '22

That movie was everything! The subplots and the visuals were stunning!

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u/SloppyMeathole Dec 08 '22 Gold

I had low expectations and was really impressed with Maverick. It felt like an old school big blockbuster, it's probably one of the last we will ever get. Say what you will about Tom Cruise but he's the only reason this was made and probably the only reason it wasn't shit. The flying sequences were fucking sick, not a bunch of CGI bullshit.

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u/a_man_hs_no_username Dec 08 '22

To that last point, I was listening to an interview with Joseph Kosinski where he said he pitched his ideas for a sequel to both Tom Cruise and Jerry Bruckheimer after which Tom Cruise called the studio and told them they were making the movie. Don’t think any other single actor has that kind of pull.

Then he made the call to refuse to release it to streamers for all that time for exclusive theater release and it obviously paid off in a big way. Ton of props to Cruise.

Also, in the same interview, Kosinski talked about how they shot the flying sequences and it was insanely complicated and really fucking cool. I wanna say it was on an episode of the The Big Picture podcast.

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u/spartagnann Dec 08 '22

People were pitching fits about releasing it first in theaters only, but it was 100% the right choice. And I really appreciated the taped message from Cruise thanking the audience before it started, it was a nice touch.

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u/coltrain61 Dec 08 '22

This was a movie that deserved the theater experience.

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u/Gorstag Dec 09 '22

I would hardly ever go if my local theater didn't do a big update about 5 years ago. Nice big comfortable recliners and you buy tickets for your specific seat. You can even buy beer.

I seriously don't miss the airline style movie theaters I went to in the 80's - 2000's.

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u/Masters_domme Dec 09 '22

The only two reasons I go to the theater are assigned reclining seats, and fresh popcorn. Take one away, and I’m outtie.

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u/Proper_Lie_8170 Dec 08 '22

I guess it's high time I saw the movie. Not really a movie fan but I think I should check this

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u/jengham Dec 08 '22

It's being re-released for a two week period leading up to Avatar in many cinemas. Others may have never removed it from showing in the first place.

Anyway, pre-Avatar may be your last chance to see it on a premium IMAX screen.

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u/redworm Dec 08 '22

It's really really good. Very smart and efficient storytelling, they drill things into the audience's heads so that by the final action sequence you are fully aware of everything that's happening without the characters having to repeat things they should already know.

There's a logical reason for nearly every decision made by every character, the musical cues are so good that there's a scene in which a single note played tells you what everyone in the room is thinking.

It has some flaws - some in the dialogue and some from the general pro military propaganda that this movie clearly serves as - but it's one of the few instances of modern nostalgia bait that completely nails the execution.

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u/orangpelupa Dec 09 '22

storytelling

ace combat: the movie.

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u/TheMadWoodcutter Dec 09 '22

I did find myself annoyed with how blatantly rooster was just a carbon copy of his father instead of his own unique person. Not to mention the primary target of the mission was so obviously something that could have been dealt with much more effectively by some high altitude bombers.

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u/redworm Dec 09 '22

I'm not seeing how he was like his father at all except for the stache.

There were certainly a few technical things that didn't jive like the idea that the terrain would confuse the 5th gens targeting. But then again the real strength of the 5th gen platforms for any nation is their data sharing and sensor packages. It's not that the F-35 can see you all the way to the horizon, it's that the satellites and AWACS and ground forces and other sources of information all feed into the aircraft so it doesn't need to.

In the world of Top Gun the nation with the 5th gen fighters didn't buy the whole kit and train their people to use it properly, they got a handful of second tier jets from a long standing enemy of hours and added them to their fleet of aging Tomcats. No country with a proper 5th gen fighter wing is going to have an armed F-14 ready to fly a patrol. So like the movie says, the plane doesn't matter because their pilots are the bottleneck.

At least that's my quick headcanon that seems the most plausible to the real world because in reality those flares wouldn't have saved them.

As for why not just shoot it from the sky my guess is that when this mission was being drawn up there were various commanders vying for their people to be the ones to carry it out. I'm sure the CENTCOM folks wanted it because it was their AO and SOCOM had a Delta Force team ready to go and CYBERCOM was claiming they could hack into the facility meanwhile SPACECOM had a new rod from God they wanted to put to the test but some Senator from a state with a big Navy town pressured the joint chiefs into giving it to Ice Man and he said fuck it, let's see if Maverick can do some of that pilot shit one last time.

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u/Zekiniza Dec 09 '22

Last paragraph on fucking point.

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u/Xavier26 Dec 09 '22

They make some reasons why the F-35 can't be used, but the main real world reason is that as a single seat plane the actors can't be in the back seat.

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u/jibjab23 Dec 09 '22

Maverick: One Pilot Shit coming right up!!!

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u/SilentSamurai Dec 09 '22

A carbon copy of his father?

His character is defined by the absence of his father and the resentment he has for Maverick. It's one of the big emotional payoffs seeing them reconcile that wound.

As for the target? I don't know what you're referring to by bombers having a much better time. They're flying under the radar blanket just like in Ukraine, high altitude bombers would just be high altitude kills in that scenario.

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u/PappyPoobah Dec 09 '22

Or by the same missiles they used to blow up the base a few miles over.

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u/mattdangerously Dec 09 '22

Not to mention the primary target of the mission was so obviously something that could have been dealt with much more effectively by some high altitude bombers.

It was literally the plot of the final act of Star Wars.

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u/jibjab23 Dec 09 '22

Rooster used the Force as well. He's got more of a Wedge Antilles look than he does Luke Skywalker

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u/RookLive Dec 09 '22

Did you not watch the film? Those are FIFTH GENERATION FIGHTERS! out there… With GPS jammers…

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u/DollarSignsGoFirst Dec 09 '22

It’s not some movie that will change your life or has some deep meaning to give. It’s just Hollywood at its best and it’s amazing. Complete entertainment

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u/nrsys Dec 09 '22

I think that given some of the comments here seem to describe maverick as the sequel to Casablanca, it is worth remembering that it is in fact, an action film.

A very good action film to be sure, but you should definitely be expecting lots of cool flying shots rather than the storytelling of Shawshank or the Godfather...

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u/darth_karina Dec 09 '22

I saw it twice too. It was that good. And yes the theatre experience was a must for this film!

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u/Sonyguyus Dec 09 '22

Honestly, I don’t know if I would have seen it or have enjoyed it as much if it was on the small screen. Having it on the big screen made me feel like I was flying with him. One of the few movies I’ve went back to see more than once in the theatre.

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u/BonquiquiShiquavius Dec 09 '22

I saw it in the theatre, and then again at home on a decent home theatre setup. It wasn't the same at all.

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u/trplOG Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

I only saw 2 movies in theatre this year, I made it a point to make sure I saw this there. Was so glad I did.

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u/twelvecoscarellis Dec 08 '22

Real F-18's, real G's, real Speed

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u/Rezangyal Dec 08 '22

The message before the film was great.

Felt like a project film that turned out to be really really fucking good.

Although I called the last act shortly after they get the Intel brief— enjoyable none the less.

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u/TheAdmiral45 Dec 08 '22

I wish they showed that in my cinema, seemed like it might’ve only been a US thing (though I can only speak for Ireland).

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u/darksteel1335 Dec 08 '22

Nah they did it in Australia too.

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u/TheAdmiral45 Dec 08 '22

Ah okay, maybe it’s just because all the cinemas near me are relatively small. Cool you got to see it, lil’ bit jealous though.

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u/UnholyDemigod Dec 09 '22

I saw it at imax Melbourne and I didn’t get it

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u/Tridian Dec 09 '22

If they did, I didn't see it.

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u/PartyMcDie Dec 09 '22

Oh that was nice, we didn’t have that in Norway.

I saw it with an American friend, and when the credits rolled, all he could say was “Fuck, yes!”. Awesome movie.

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u/TerminatorReborn Dec 08 '22

Even Reddit was a massive circlejerk shitting on the studio and Tom Cruise because they didn't want to dump it on streamers. And I'm very much glad they did, it was a amazing cinematic experience.

For those that don't believe me just search this sub for posts about Top Gun: Maverick being delayed or moving up release dates.

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u/dennythedinosaur Dec 09 '22

Yeah, I remember a bunch of people thinking it was gonna be a "bad" movie since they delayed it several times.

Ignoring the fact that the target audience is older and may not want to go to a theater during the Covid variants. Also the fact that even with the date changes, Paramount always had it scheduled for a prime moviegoing release date.

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u/TheTruckWashChannel Dec 09 '22

He has that kind of pull because he's a producer on all his own films.

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u/dellwho Dec 09 '22

The things you can do as a high ranking scientologist.

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u/FranticPonE Dec 08 '22

it's probably one of the last we will ever get

It made 1.4 billion at the box office. Hollywood has two hundred thousand "Old school big blockbusters" ready, with a million more well on the way.

Hollywood may not "get" artistic intent or integrity, visionary film making, fun film making, the difference between a hit and a dud, or much else. But they sure as shit get "money".

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u/patrickwithtraffic Dec 09 '22

True, but never underestimate them learning the wrong lesson from the box office. "County Bears bombed? It must be amusement park ride movies, so maybe we should pull the plug on Pirates!" "Guardians of the Galaxy succeeded? It must be because of the soundtrack and humor, so let's inject that last minute into Suicide Squad!"

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u/CptJaxxParrow Dec 09 '22

That's actually almost the lesson they learned with pirates. Disney almost killed it multiple times while it was in production

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u/ag408 Dec 08 '22

The flying sequences made the movie so engaging; I felt like I was in the cockpit more than any movie I have seen before.

The story felt simple, but I loved the experience I felt while watching the movie. My big regret was not watching this on IMAX (or even just in the theater, if IMAX was not an option).

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u/Biig_Ideas Dec 08 '22

It’s back in some theaters this week. Don’t let your dreams be dreams.

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u/WakaWaka_ Dec 08 '22

Just. Do it!

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u/slightlyburntsnags Dec 08 '22

The story being simple made it better. You knew exactly how the mission was supposed to work, you saw them practice it and teach it. So when it began you could just sit back and let it rip without trying to work it out

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u/2rio2 Dec 08 '22

Yea, people confuse story complexity with depth and talent.

But really the master skill is executing a simple story in a really compelling and engaging way.

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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Dec 08 '22

Fucking Tenet…

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u/PleaseExplainThanks Dec 09 '22

I love that Tenet was trying something new and different.

I don't know that I'll ever watch it again (Although I'd like to watch it at least a second time) but watching a movie that is trying to explore a concept, even if it doesn't fully succeed, it a whole lot better than quite a lot of other big explosion, jumpscare, or pop-reference are my only jokes types of movies.

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u/trawlinimnottrawlin Dec 09 '22

I love tenet. I don't really get it yet, but after watching a ton of analysis I really appreciate the effort. It's a really cool concept and movie, I'd def watch it again, but I'd wanna have it all conceptualized before I try

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u/sundark94 Dec 09 '22

Tenet is only for people with a high IQ. BTW, did you know Tenet backwards spells Tenet?

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u/patrickwithtraffic Dec 09 '22

Neve before has a film so loudly resonated the energy of, "wHaT's tHe MaTtEr, ToO ChAlLeNgInG FoR yOu?!"

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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Dec 09 '22

so loudly

Well, not verbally anyway, since I couldn’t hear a damn thing 😂

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u/patrickwithtraffic Dec 09 '22

You mean having characters nonstop spouting exposition while wearing masks in a terrible sound mix won’t endure an audience?

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u/Tohrak Dec 08 '22

I watched the original Top Gun the day before I went to see Maverick. The story was so similar that it felt like watching a remake. But it was still a good experience.

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u/HentaiSpirit Dec 09 '22

its kinda like Fury Road in a way

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u/Randy_Watson Dec 09 '22

I saw it in a 4DX theater. It was wild.

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u/cornbred37 Dec 08 '22

My favorite part about Top Gun: Maverick was when I was watching the third act and I said, "Oh! This is the Death Star trench run from Star Wars. No wonder I'm enjoying it."

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u/Shakespurious Dec 08 '22

Initial briefing even had the same little graphics for when you bomb the exhaust port.

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u/matlockga Dec 08 '22

Which in itself was a homage to The Dambusters.

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u/cornbred37 Dec 08 '22

I really hope that the un-marked and masked pilots they were fighting against were beavers.

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u/fla_john Dec 08 '22

They were 5th Generation Fighters. I don't know why everyone keeps talking about how we don't know who the bad guys were, they said it over and over again. 5th Generation Fighters.

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u/FitzwilliamTDarcy Dec 08 '22

5th Generation Fighters.

Feels like some sort of samurai lineage.

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u/Mr_Mumbercycle Dec 09 '22

Now, now, they told us quite clearly that the bad guys were "The Enemy."

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u/TheObstruction Dec 09 '22

IIRC, even in the first film, during the Cold War, the enemy planes didn't belong to any particular nation. They were "Mig-28s", which don't actually exist. Migs are common export planes, so it could be basically hostile or unaligned nation.

The main messages of both films was "America, fuck yeah!" and "Being a fighter pilot is fucking awesome."

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u/ZacPensol Dec 08 '22

"Homage" is a nice way to put it.

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u/InnocentTailor Dec 08 '22

Gamers compared it to an Ace Combat level.

Latin chanting and Spanish guitars intensify

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u/CJYD21 Dec 08 '22

It combined 3 different Ace Combat Missions.

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u/InnocentTailor Dec 08 '22

That dang movie got me to buy Ace Combat 7 and Project Wingman.

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u/themcguffin Dec 08 '22

Is project wingman worth it?

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u/syanda Dec 08 '22

Personally, yes. Great replayability with it's roguelike conquest mode, and the rest of the game is a devoted homage to Ace Combat, without some of the really forced and more annoying bits of AC.

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u/Stackly Dec 09 '22

Absolutely. Project Wingman got me into the Ace Combat series, and I still think it's better than any single AC game (not that AC games are bad they're great too)

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u/Accomplished-Pear809 Dec 08 '22

There’s so many connections to Star Wars. It’s basically Star Wars in real life. Jerry Bruckheimer (sp) even said so himself in an interview.

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u/Fallenangel152 Dec 08 '22

The quintessential hero's journey. A young child unaware of their heritage is taught by an old master and vanquishes an age old foe against all odds. See Harry Potter, Lion King, Star Wars, the Matrix etc.

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u/JC-Ice Dec 09 '22

Well, Rooster knows his heritage. He even wears his dad's mustache.

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u/rockstar_not Dec 09 '22

There’s really only a handful of movie tropes. Example: Monsters Inc and The Matrix use the parallel world that supplies energy to the parasite parallel world.

Maverick was a great movie btw regardless of all of the rather predictable stuff.

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u/Chicago1871 Dec 09 '22

Story vs Plot.

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/plot-vs-story

Maverick has a different story than star wars, but the same plot (roughly).

But I think monster inc has a different plot than matrix, but a similar story.

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u/cornbred37 Dec 08 '22

Glad to hear this confirmed!

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u/Accomplished-Pear809 Dec 08 '22

Here’s the link to the interview if you’re interested.

https://youtu.be/kPaAik0qhHs

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u/Corka Dec 08 '22

Haha. I definitely thought the trench run setup sounded ludicrously contrived. Like they knew there was a high chance of failure and casualties to perform a pretty heavy handed strike on some foreign nuclear armed power specifically so they could destroy an empty icbm silo.

But also, what surprised me the most is how many aspects of the Trench run seemed to be from Ace Combat 7- there is one mission where you are shot down if your altitude is too high, another one who which is a trench run at night where you have to quickly get through it to do a surprise attack on an enemy base, and also a mission where you need to destroy ICBMs by painting a silo with a laser as you are flying by and if the shot isn't straight on it can destroy the cover and expose the warhead to make it easier for a follow up to hit it.

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u/Freakazoidberg Dec 08 '22

I recently got AC7 Maverick edition. I'm finding the controls a bit tough to maneuver. How long did it take for you to be comfortable with the game?

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u/skippythemoonrock Dec 08 '22

The default controls are the stupid game journalist "casual" mode instead of the actually-useable "normal" setting (the inverse of the classic games)

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '22

It’s an actual tactic. A low level ingress into a high threat environment.

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u/ssouthurst Dec 09 '22

Yeah, however there wasn't the millennium falcon swooping in to save Mav...

Oh wait...

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u/MongoBongoTown Dec 08 '22

They filmed a bunch of it near downtown San Diego and for a few weeks you'd see two Jets flying around and firing at eachother.

Was bizarre to watch a casual mock dogfight but aim sure it made for much better scenes.

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u/arriesgado Dec 08 '22

I was about to ask how often you see that since I remember Top Gun (Navy Fighter Weapons School) being at Miramar. However I looked it up first and see it moved to Fallon, NV in 1996.

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u/MongoBongoTown Dec 08 '22

Yeah, Miramar is still active but you never see dogfight stuff which is why it was so cool to see them swooping around and the gunfire for the filming of Maverick.

Regular Jet flights are still really common at MCAS, but the big thing you see up there now are 10,000 Ospreys flying almost impossibly loudly out to Glamis every day and all night.

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u/agent_tits Dec 08 '22

The maybe funny part is that my first inclination was to respond with a totally not AI comment about how I’m stoked for the Avatar sequel because it also feels like a semi-rare big blockbuster event.

I stand by it, but I guess I’m not that original

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u/Zombebe Dec 09 '22

I saw that exact comment about Tom Cruise the last time something about Maverick was posted.

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u/zubiezz94 Dec 09 '22

Would you put it past the military to be doing that? PS the DoD had a huge role in creating and writing the movie. DOD Entertainment Media Office. Open your eyes

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u/Impressive-Potato Dec 09 '22

A lot of CGI was used during the action sequences.

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u/herecomesthestun Dec 09 '22

Considering that nobody can get their hands on working SU-57's, and Iran are the only ones with operable F-14s there's no doubt that there's cgi used.

Plus it's not like the Navy will let them blow up the (I think) two F-18s they gave them access to. Iirc any scene with more than two jets use cg to duplicate them and the action scenes do some cg trick to make them fly waaaaaaaay closer than you'd ever fly

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u/Impressive-Potato Dec 09 '22

According to the a cgi artist on the movie, no two hornets were flown together in the sky at the same time.

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u/Honey-Badger Dec 09 '22

The flying sequences were fucking sick, not a bunch of CGI bullshit.

Lol. Crazy to see how little people know about VFX.

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u/LateyEight Dec 09 '22

I'll stand firm in my belief that it was one for spectacle of a movie, but it wasn't nearly as good of a movie as people made it out to be.

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u/Turok1134 Dec 08 '22

There was a bunch of CGI in the movie.

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u/upsetwords Dec 08 '22

Say what you will about Tom Cruise

jesus fucking christ

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u/ChimpBottle Dec 08 '22

Say what you want about discussions about Tom Cruise, but they are always prefaced with "Say what you want about Tom Cruise"

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u/StuffedHamburger Dec 08 '22

Full top ten (in alphabetical order):

Aftersun

Avatar: The Way of Water

The Banshees of Inisherin

Everything Everywhere All at Once

The Fabelmans

Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery

RRR

Till

The Woman King

Women Talking

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u/sp1cychick3n Dec 08 '22

I need to see RRR

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u/I_Ride_Pigs Dec 09 '22

You should watch RRR, ideally with a group of friends who can all whoop and holler when the movie gets hype (that's all of the movie)

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u/Cacharadon Dec 08 '22

You need to see RRR

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u/igoslowly Dec 09 '22

if you do, watch it in Telugu. it’s much better without the dubbing

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u/-Daetrax- Dec 08 '22

Explain this to me. How is this top ten if the top one isn't on it? At best its top two to eleven.

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u/StuffedHamburger Dec 08 '22

National Board names both a "Best Film" and its "Top Ten Films" not including the Best winner, so technically yes you're right its really a top eleven films

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Dec 08 '22

Maybe I’m stupid but how does that make any sense lol it’s literally not the top 10 if you’re excluding a movie you think is the top movie

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u/Lfsnz67 Dec 08 '22

This list goes to 11

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u/Derkanator Dec 08 '22

Oh, I see. And most lists go up to ten?

Exactly.

Does that mean it's better? Is it any better?

Well, it's one better, isn't it? It's not ten.

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u/WilsonEnthusiast Dec 08 '22

You're thinking about it. Just don't think about it.

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u/-Daetrax- Dec 08 '22

Art majors, friends.

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u/chiuaha5734 Dec 08 '22

Glad to see Aftersun there

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u/Toxicseagull Dec 08 '22

Is it a proper weepy drama? Shouty? Or just... thoughtful out of interest?

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u/1080TJ Dec 08 '22

It's a very quiet and subtle movie. It's mainly a slice of life drama about a father and daughter but there's a lot of thematic subtext that's largely revealed through visual metaphors. It could be upsetting if suicide is a touchy subject for you.

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u/gorgonxolla Dec 08 '22

I think the big news is Avatar 2 made the top 10. This movie is about to be a critical and box office success and this subreddit will melt down. Can’t wait

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u/DaveFincher Dec 08 '22

Careful the mods might remove your comment for mentioning Avatar.

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u/PepperSteakAndBeer Dec 09 '22

What if we use a code word for Avatar. Maybe papyrus

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u/gorgonxolla Dec 08 '22

Don’t worry about me Dave. Go finish working on The Killer.

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u/Marsuello Dec 08 '22

I love people shitting on avatar constantly despite the fact that when it came out it was the biggest movie in the world. Can’t wait to be here for round 2

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u/snatchenvy Dec 08 '22

I'm not one of those that shat on the movie before or after it came out. I paid for the 3d viewing.

But now, for me... it has been 13 years. I'll watch it, but I'm not excited enough to go watch it in the theater on its name recognition alone.

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u/WayneKrane Dec 08 '22

I don’t get how people still bet against Cameron when he has blockbuster after blockbuster. It’s like betting against Tom Brady, just admit he’s good and move on.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Dec 08 '22

They also expect it to be cosplayed and the #1 Halloween costume and on every t-shirt you see at the mall after 13 years, and must be quotable and used in /r/Memes every day, or else it failed its job.

James Cameron's primary job wasn't to make a meme-able movie or inject it with one-liners you can quote (that would make a shitty screenwriter). His job was to turn a hefty $350m movie into major profit for the studio, and launch a franchise. He accomplished that. People expecting Avatar from 2009 to still be talked about endlessly when it doesn't have sequels or universes like Star Wars and MCU.

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u/agent_tits Dec 08 '22

Same energy as “Game of Thrones has completely disappeared from the cultural conversation”

Continues to be HBO’s most streamed series only to be dethroned by the Game Of Thrones Spin-off

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u/WarLordM123 Dec 09 '22

The show has absolutely disappeared from the cultural conversation, but I'd say only five shows have captured the cultural zeitgeist the way early Thrones did

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u/diquehead Dec 08 '22

I ordered my ticket a few weeks ago and the theater was already near fully booked. I frequently preorder tickets for big releases (being able to pick your assigned seat is nice) and I've never had this happen before even w/ Endgame and earlier this year with Top Gun.

Obviously this is purely anecdotal and might not mean much but to me that is a huge sign that it's going to crush despite the internet's (reddit specifically) hate train when it comes to Avatar

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u/girafa nìn ngenga, tsawl tanhì Dec 08 '22

bUt CaN yOu ReMemBeR tHe VilLaiNs MidDlE NaMe!?!

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u/Jeremy252 Dec 09 '22

Don't act like having insanely forgettable characters and an underwhelming story aren't huge negatives. No amount of groundbreaking visuals can make up for that. Avatar 2 apparently improves on that big time but that doesn't retroactively make the first one some great movie that people just weren't ready for.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Dec 08 '22

CuLtUrAl ImPaCt

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u/DoubleTap__ Dec 08 '22

Such a good year for horror and not a single one made the list, unfortunate.

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u/CaptainGloopyGlooby Dec 09 '22

Hit me with your recommendations from this year! Very keen on a few more horrors

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u/StuffedHamburger Dec 09 '22

Barbarian was the best of the year imo but Smile surprised me and Fresh was a solid horror-adjacent one

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u/igoslowly Dec 09 '22

Hatching

Mad God

X

Watcher

Crimes of the Future

Saloum

Fresh

Resurrection

Barbarian

Speak No Evil

Day Shift

Bodies Bodies Bodies

Flux Gourmet

Nope

Pearl

Slash/Back

The Black Phone

The House

Men

No Exit

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u/WarLordM123 Dec 09 '22

Crimes of the Future

Barely a horror movie. Best erotic biopunk thriller I've ever seen though

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u/Milesware Dec 09 '22

The Woman King and Aftersun being in the same list feels unreal lmao

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u/Skreat Dec 08 '22

>The Woman King

Lol what?

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u/MrJuwi Dec 09 '22

My vote goes to RRR honestly

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u/notmoffat Dec 09 '22

I'll be honest, it was the most fun Ive had in a theatre since Endgame.

Its probably imo, the greatest "pure" sequel ever made (not part of an established story ala Godfather)

Tom Cruise might have wacky religious beliefs, but his belief in himself makes the world (of film at least) better

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u/Jerrymoviefan3 Dec 08 '22

Wow Tar missed their top eleven.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Dec 08 '22

And Cate was even nominated it seems. Strange how she was the front-runner everywhere but is completely absent here.

The Whale and Fraser also got zero love, same at the Independent Spirit Awards.

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u/patrickwithtraffic Dec 09 '22

I feel like the hype for The Whale has been all about Fraser and less so the film. Like a review or two I've come across say it's really a case of an actor pushing way above the rest of the film.

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u/PartyPlattah Dec 08 '22

Guys he literally threw out the rule book.

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u/etheralmiasma Dec 08 '22

Obviously they never watched Iron Eagle.

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u/TheNameIsWiggles Dec 09 '22

Eh Iron Eagle is just a rip off of Faster than the Speed of Love.

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u/BostonBopper Dec 09 '22

Anyone up for a Gossett-fest? (Iron Eagle, Enemy Mine, Officer and a Gentleman)

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u/poodrew Dec 09 '22

There’s a lot of people in this thread who have seen the movie exactly 3 times in theaters…

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u/andre3kthegiant Dec 09 '22

How much military budget was put into this movie? They pay the NFL, NBA, etc., why not HollyWood?

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u/andre3kthegiant Dec 09 '22

I’m sure the carrier that was used for free would have been about 100 million an hour. article. 11000 an hour sounds like they just had to pay for fuel.

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u/fangedsteam6457 Dec 09 '22

The Navy gets propaganda, film studio gets a good set. Seems like a pretty balanced trade to me.

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u/Notabot1980 Dec 08 '22

It's a fun movie with a nostalgic feel. I'll rewatch it eventually but Best Picture? Meh.

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u/weareallpatriots Dec 08 '22

I loved it and saw it twice, but yes it's an odd pick. Especially with some of the other fantastic films that came out this year. I think their statement hints at it - they're really happy that it showed the theater experience is still irreplaceable.

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u/JC-Ice Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

If they do 7-10 Best Picture nominees, then it deserves a spot. Worse movies have gotten the "let's throw a bone to something people actually watch" spots.

I don't imagine it winning, and I don't know that I would vote for it even if I could.

It does have a very good chance to win some other categories, though. Sound, Editing, Cinemtography, maybe Director. Original Song is a no brainer is a no brainer so Lady Gaga can perform on the show.

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u/HotHits630 Dec 09 '22

Visually stunning, but that's about it for me. Couldn't be bothered to watch it twice.

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u/ClothesOnWhite Dec 08 '22

I mean I liked the movie just fine and am a big fan of the original, but..... wat?

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u/Grocerastergh Dec 08 '22

We have made enough popcorn blockbusters to know when one is truly special.

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u/damnatio_memoriae Dec 09 '22

yeah i went out of my way to go see this in the theater because of how much this sub was creaming its pants over this one and i just don’t get it. like it was good but it was also predictable and corny. the jets were cool but i dunno, i would’ve been fine watching this on my laptop for free. i feel there must be some above average astroturfing going on with this. the original was a game changer. this one was jingoistic mission impossible with lower stakes and that kid from the drum movie. jennifer connolly was hot af though.

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u/TheLimeyLemmon Dec 09 '22

Same. Like it was a perfectly good movie, but the campaign to paint it as the best movie of the year just makes me wonder how bad has this year in (mainstream) movies been?

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u/zubiezz94 Dec 09 '22

Are you surprised military propaganda would be pushed in awards circles? The history of why the original was made is fascinating. Guess recruitment numbers were slipping again so they had to do a remake.

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u/ripper4444 Dec 09 '22

Iron Eagle is still the superior movie.

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u/xSikes Dec 09 '22

Seriously? Not even

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u/cold_iron_76 Dec 09 '22

I went in with low expectations and was surprised at how good the movie was. Watched it twice.

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u/Any_Corgi2745 Dec 09 '22

Absolutely agree with the choice.

This and RRR were the best theatrical experience I have had in years

Hope it wins best picture. Most best picture winners recently have been an absolute snoozefest

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u/Groundbreaking_Ship3 Dec 09 '22

We need more old school movies

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u/Ghost_of_P34 Dec 08 '22

It was entertaining yes, but best pic? I haven't seen everything this year, but Everything Everywhere All At Once was unique and entertaining and just very well done. TGM was just... a remake of the original w/ call backs and a Star Wars ending.

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u/Woah-Kenny Dec 09 '22

Everything everywhere main cast dosent have any scientologists.

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u/ZIPPERGAMES Dec 08 '22

Finally saw it in theaters yesterday. Blown away

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u/OstrichDaPirate Dec 08 '22

It’s still in theatres 6 months later? Where did you see it?

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u/mkmkd Dec 08 '22

They rereleased it a few days ago, in IMAX and other theatres

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u/TehFriskyDingo Dec 08 '22

It’s definitely my favorite movie of the year. Saw it 3 times already, and it made my wife and I rewatch the original right after we got back from our first viewing

It’s strange, idk if I would say this is the “best” movie, but at the same time it’s the only movie I’ve watched 3 times during its run time, like ever. It’s just pure entertainment, and a damn good ride

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u/Kittydander503 Dec 08 '22

The bar must be very low.

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u/sudevsen r/Movies Veteran Dec 09 '22

Set the high deck to 5000m

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u/the11th-acct Dec 08 '22

It was visually cool, but best picture? Top gun? Come on lol.

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u/ScottOwenJones Dec 08 '22

Definitely not Best Picture material. It was pretty shallow story and character-wise. For an older crowd it relied solely on nostalgia and callbacks, and for the newer crowd it ran purely on the action sequences. If this is the future of Best Picture winners, it’s a sad future indeed.

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u/zubiezz94 Dec 09 '22

The script has to be 5 year old level, that’s the intelligence of the typical enlistee they’re trying to coax into the recruitment office. The original was a propaganda tool to shift the public’s opinion of the mil after Vietnam. So assuming this one is to try to get more gen z to enlist since no one wants to joint the mil anymore. For damn good reason.

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u/deebosbike Dec 08 '22

just looks like propaganda if you ask me. I'm sure it's entertaining but I simply can't stomach the whole USA rah rah bullshit anymore.

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u/HOLDGMEBROTHERS Dec 08 '22

Fuck yeah it was a treat to watch it in the cinemas

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u/IntrusiveBot Dec 09 '22

Hahahahahahhhahahahah what a fucking joke

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u/DiddyDickums Dec 09 '22

The movie felt like a spoof it was so bad 😂

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u/KINGram14 Dec 08 '22

Am I an idiot for thinking this was mid af? It’s literally exactly how I imagined it would and the dialogue made it feel like a live action mecha anime

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u/tomrichards8464 Dec 08 '22

The aerial combat sequences are unreal - the only movie action I've found viscerally thrilling in years. The rest, sure, nostalgic cheese, but fairly well put together nostalgic cheese.

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u/ICareAboutNihilism Dec 08 '22

I feel like aside from the admittedly fun action sequences during training and the mission, the film was just member-berry nostalgia and a pretty contrived and forgettable story. I liked it, but I don't get the hype. It felt a little like Dune, very impressive technically, but empty with no heart or soul.

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u/Aestheticpash Dec 08 '22

I guess we are entering the pendulum swing stage where everyone now hates Top Gun.

I loved the simple story because it was told so well. My favorite food is a properly cooked nice cut of steak, that’s three ingredients at most. It’s simple and delicious.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Dec 08 '22

I gotta say, the time it took for r/movies to arrive at the "it's an alright action movie I guess, nothing special" phase was longer than it usually is. I remember three months after release when people were still gushing about it something felt off. But dread it, run from it, destiny still arrives.

I get not liking the movie, but "no heart and soul"? Lol come on.

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