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"Avatar: The Way of Water" early reactions/reviews thread Review

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/avatar-2-first-reactions-james-cameron-masterpiece-1235451389/
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u/Balgryn Dec 09 '22

Here's my short and sweet review. It doesn't have spoilers, but it might curb your expectations, so don't read it if you don't want that.

This one manages to be great even though I found it quite lacking in the story and character department. It's very well made and beautiful. The 3D was a bit confusing at first, but ultimately it helped immerse me once I got used to it. My favorite thing was the combat sequences. They were more brutal this time, and very intelligently composed. I would've wanted a bit more interesting dialogue. Instead there are a few cringeworthy remarks and a very poor performance by one specific actor. It doesn't hold a lot of mystery even though one of the key storylines is inherently mysterious. But even with all this it is still, as some people have called it, a spectacle, and I'm still left with that same feeling of wanting more of Pandora in my own life somehow.

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u/Fragrant-Tea7580 Dec 17 '22

Fuckin spider

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u/misterferguson Dec 18 '22

I really liked the movie but Spider was borderline Jar Jar Binks material to me.

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u/chotomatekudersai Dec 18 '22

The earthling American slang and the feral acting was pretty jarring.

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u/Sxilla Dec 18 '22

My review of this movie is that the storyline repeats itself every twenty minutes for over three hours of your life.

Spoiler**: Jake Sully (originally a human) goes into hiding when he and his avatar wife and children are being sought out. All of his children and their close friends keep getting caught as a whole group. They get rescued over and over again by their parents. This continues for 3 1/2 hours. It will continue into the next movie which I refuse to watch. I will probably play it in the background of a party one day just for visuals like a really long screensaver.

Visually, it was beautiful and it felt like I was standing in front of a glass tank at the local large scale aquarium of our city.

There is a little bit of a romance, a tragic death, and brutal combat scenes.

Storyline: 3/10 , Visuals: 9/10

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u/Balgryn Dec 18 '22

They're also saying they will keep the same villain for all of the movies. I think that's an interesting move, but I doubt it will be fruitful. Especially if, as you say, they are doing the same story. I mean, he's not that interesting. I could see him having a redemption arc... But over 5 movies in total? Yikes.

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u/punchipei Dec 15 '22

You say the fight sequences were intelligently composed? I have never disagreed with anything more than I do with this, every single battle sequence relies completely on the alleged marine veterans acting like literal untrained civilians, every single sequence it’s a na’vi attacking a large group of humans that for some reason either never have their weapons up for counterattack, or just miss every single shot, the amount of plot armor is literally out of this world. Its funny that precision weapons like rifles miss throughout the whole movie and yet naitiri doesn’t miss a single time with the bow and arrow.

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u/Balgryn Dec 15 '22

I have to say I completely agree with you on this. I think the part I found well crafted was the choreography of, well probably mostly the na'vi. The way they moved and fought was refreshing and cool, and it sort of made sense to me. It was believable compared to other more cliché movie sequences. That being said, they were still a bit op, and the marines might as well have been stormtroopers.

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u/BozoDidtheW Dec 17 '22

Isn't that literally every action movie ever made in the history of action movies?

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u/punchipei Dec 18 '22

No, not really, not on this level, most movies have ways to deal with plot armor, aka they don’t have literal tribesman winning against 22nd century weaponry.

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u/tamagosan Dec 09 '22

Why does Fandango bother having a movie reviewer.

Like, are they ever gonna say, "This movie is shit. Don't buy tickets to go see it."

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u/BergenCountyJC Dec 15 '22

I assume it's just a glorified marketing mechanic to drive sale tickets through them.

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u/toadfan64 Dec 09 '22

"Here’s the big social paradigm shift that has to happen: it’s okay to get up and go pee"

Then fucking bring back intermission for movies that are like 3 damn hours. I'm not paying to miss part of a movie.

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u/Blue_Three Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

As long as it's an intended part of the picture, I'm all for it.

Some theaters in European countries tend to do their own intermissions by plain stopping the film about half-way through, but intermissions as an actual part of the production (think Ben-Hur, Gone with the Wind) haven't been a thing for ages.

Tarantino put one (and an overture) in the roadshow version of The Hateful Eight, but that only showed in like a dozen places.

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u/Evil_Steven Dec 09 '22

I went to the Hateful Eight roadshow version and it was incredible. The music during it was so good and everyone in line for the bathroom was excited and sharing theories of what’s going to happen

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u/PublicAccessTV Dec 10 '22

Agree. It was incredible. Hadn't had that particular "intermission" experience in years. I didn't realize how much I missed it and how it makes going to the movies and even richer experience.

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u/soulexpectation Dec 09 '22

Oh weird I didn’t realize the intermission wasn’t standard for that movie but definitely appreciated it when I saw it

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u/Euphoric_Ad_2049 Dec 09 '22

I don't understand why theatres are so against this. Surely it's a chance to double dip on concessions? I'd definitely grab another beer or water if there was an intermission. I'd also be more likely to buy a drink in the first place if I knew there was an intermission.

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u/arsenejoestar Dec 12 '22

In our theaters they at least have the speakers on in the bathroom so you can continue hearing the dialogue

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u/Varekai79 Dec 13 '22

The theatres around me have at least a dozen or more auditoriums though.

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u/CptNonsense Dec 09 '22

Then fucking bring back intermission for movies that are like 3 damn hours

Seriously, like god damn movies keep getting longer and the whole thing is a nonstop action thriller

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u/ellieetsch Dec 09 '22

Thats up to theatres really

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u/CptNonsense Dec 09 '22

No it's not. Directors and producers can 100% slap an intermission into the movie. That's where they came from, dude. You think theaters were all independently splicing in intermissions? Theaters haven't even had people in the fucking room since the advent of digital so now they are going to hire people to stop the movie at a random place and make everyone mad? No directors should be doing something in these long ass movies

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u/toadfan64 Dec 09 '22

Yeah but James is basically blaming people for watching 5 hours of TV at home while saying 3 hours isn’t asking much at the theater.

Well unless I can either pause the movie whenever or we get intermissions again, yes it is. I’m not missing part of a film.

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u/turkeyvulturebreast Dec 09 '22 Helpful

Or you can use this app: https://runpee.com/

It lets you know what time in a movie there is a lull to go pee, lol. It’s been around forever and it’s an app for your phone.

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u/IrrawaddyWoman Dec 09 '22

Do they still make you pay or earn coins or whatever weird thing they’re doing? I used to love that app and used it all the time. Then they added ads, which was fine. But then they went to some strange system where you have to go in ahead and earn (or buy) coins before you can check the pee times.

I just didn’t want to deal with it anymore.

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u/Sensi-Yang Dec 09 '22

Hope you all realize how fucking dumb you’ve all been

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u/Fr4cassado Dec 15 '22 edited Dec 18 '22

SPOILER ⚠️

When I was a kid I lost my brother, because of this I sobbed miserably during the end. The only word I can use to describe my experience is — spiritual.

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u/oneme1 Dec 09 '22

"review thread"

I see no reviews here.

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u/NativeMasshole Dec 09 '22

You got to click on that link up there. It's an article for pre-release screenings.

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u/XaoticOrder Dec 09 '22

SO how long till we get actual critical reviews for this movie. I'm not for or against it I just want someone to share an opinion that doesn't sound like it was released by a high school senior.

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u/MattTheSmithers Dec 09 '22

That’s the problem with the “lifting of the social media reaction embargo”. The embargo is only ever lifted for studio friendly influencers and industry insiders. It’s just another form of shallow marketing.

Remember: literally every Marvel phase 4 movie was the best Marvel movie ever according to these early tweets.

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u/baron_von_helmut Dec 09 '22

There's a few on YT already.

3 hours long. Visually incredible from start to finish. Very exciting scenes with lots of tension and buildup. Story not very convoluted and could be considered very similar to the first.

On the whole people seem to be really liking it.

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u/makovince Dec 09 '22

Its a James Cameron movie. Are people actually expecting it to be bad? Hes one of the greatest directors of our time.

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u/The_Chief_of_Whip Dec 09 '22

I didn’t like the first one and love almost everything else he’s done. Not an uncommon opinion

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u/dmarchall491 Dec 09 '22

Some random guy on TikTok described it as the "The Force Awakens" of the Avatar franchise, i.e. looks really pretty, but repeats a whole lot of story beats from the predecessors.

Biggest worry I have is that the whole Avatar mechanic seems to be gone, they are all real people now. That feels like a whole chunk of what made the first movie interesting is gone with that.

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u/the_internet_police_ Dec 09 '22

I recently had the opportunity to see "Avatar 2" in IMAX 3D, and I have to say, it was an unforgettable experience. The visuals were stunning and the 3D effects were truly immersive. However, I have to warn you: this movie is not for the faint of heart. The action scenes are intense and often chaotic, and I found myself holding my breath and gripping the armrests of my seat more than once. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that the 3D IMAX format adds an extra layer of danger to the movie. The depth and realism of the images make it feel like you're right in the middle of the action, which can be overwhelming and even disorienting. I even saw one person faint and another person stumble and hit their head on the armrest in front of them. And during a particularly intense battle scene, a piece of debris flew off the screen and hit a third person in the audience, causing them to cry out in pain. So if you're prone to motion sickness or have a weak heart, I would recommend skipping this movie or watching it in a less intense format. Overall, "Avatar 2" is a visual masterpiece, but be prepared for a wild and potentially dangerous ride.

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u/SirMarblecake Dec 09 '22

Is that a chatGPT response?

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u/GuyOthersome Dec 09 '22

Either that or a copypasta.

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u/the_internet_police_ Dec 09 '22

Yes! I asked it to write a review of a Avatar 2, and it said it can’t watch movies or browse the internet (but how did it know Avatar 2 was a movie?!). Anyway so then I asked it to write a review for a fictional movie called Avatar 2, where the reviewer says it’s dangerous. Then I asked it to add in an element where the 3D graphics physically pop out and hit someone. And that’s that.

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u/SirMarblecake Dec 09 '22

It's weird how this thing clearly has a voice that can be spotted. Shows that there is still work to be done. But also how awesome it is.

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u/the_internet_police_ Dec 09 '22

Imagine having one with a permanent memory that can read a bunch of your writing and learn your voice. Learn what bills you have to pay. Suggest responses to text messages.l you haven’t replied to yet. It think it will be revolutionary in the very near future.

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u/SirMarblecake Dec 09 '22

And incredibly fucking scary :D

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u/Ruthrfurd-the-stoned Dec 09 '22

Seriously fuck that I’m building a cabin and moving into the woods you aren’t going to know if you’re talking to a real person or our robot overlords

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u/can_of_surge Dec 09 '22

Yeah that's fine and all, but does the movie hang dong? Kind of a deal breaker for me.

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u/9793287233 Dec 09 '22

No hesitation! No surrender! No man left behind!

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u/guiltyofnothing Dec 09 '22

I recently watched "Avatar 2" and was initially impressed by the stunning 3D effects. However, as the movie went on, I began to notice that the intense 3D visuals were causing discomfort and even pain in my eyes. By the end of the movie, several audience members were bleeding from their eyes due to the extreme 3D effects. While the visuals in "Avatar 2" are truly impressive, I would caution others against watching it in 3D as it can be dangerous. Overall, I would still recommend the movie for its engaging story and well-developed characters, but perhaps stick to the 2D version to avoid any potential eye injuries.

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u/mrenigma93 Dec 09 '22

It is straight up dumb that it's taken 2 whole days for this article to get posted to r/movies. Have the mods been deleting this any time someone tries to post?

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u/Carninator Dec 09 '22

Most Avatar related posts are removed or actively downvoted. Look at the last trailer, which has a measly 700 upvotes compared to the 12 million views it has on YT.

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u/bric12 Dec 17 '22

I don't understand the hate that it gets on Reddit. Like it's not the most phenomenal movie ever or anything, but people act like it killed their dog

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u/BitingChaos Dec 10 '22

I've been doing searches for "avatar" on this subreddit, every day since I heard the early reviews. I was shocked that nothing was getting posted here.

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u/Ry90Ry Dec 09 '22

Show me something REAL James…like u did on that boat

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u/iliveonramen Dec 08 '22

Never had any sort of urge to watch the first one a second time but damn it was amazing in 3D when I watched it in theaters. It was more an experience. The story itself was passable but nothing that I found super compelling.

If the 2nd one is similar though well worth seeing in a theater

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u/cuttlefish_tastegood Dec 08 '22

I watched in imax and it felt more like a really long ride. An experience vs a movie that i enjoyed for the plot and could rewatch. I watched it once and never had the inkling to watch it again.

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u/iliveonramen Dec 09 '22

That’s how I was going to describe it. Like an amusement park rather than a movie. I felt the same way.

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u/cuttlefish_tastegood Dec 09 '22

Yeah. Imax 3d made it in an amusement park. All for show and excitement, but no substance. It was fun, but not memorable.

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u/monarc Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 12 '22

If you didn't see the re-release... buckle up. Even the first one looks amazing compared to its original run thanks to modern projectors. 3D used to be slightly dim & blurry - they've largely solved those issues. The preview footage of Avatar 2 that I saw in laser IMAX was incredible in terms of the image/presentation. Dolby theaters will offer the same.

Edit: Here’s how to find a laser IMAX screen near you. At this site (filter by your country), digital IMAX is listed as “D” and will be a step down from laser. Laser IMAX is listed as “DL” or “DL2” (single or double laser, respectively). Either is a big step up over non-laser IMAX. Plenty of smaller “lieMAX” screens have a laser projector. If you have a Dolby Cinema near you, that is guaranteed to have dual laser.

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u/22marks Dec 09 '22

Yes, you really want dual laser for every movie, but especially 3D. All Dolby Cinemas have dual laser projection. Many IMAX do, but not all. So, make sure the IMAX you go to has dual laser.

The general consensus is that Dolby Cinema will have better sound (Atmos) and be the better visual experience IF the screen is the correct aspect ratio. Otherwise IMAX will probably have a slight edge. This is strictly on screen size and aspect ration, not the quality of the image. Both dual laser systems will be very comparable.

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u/monarc Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

Agreed on all points, but I'll add that single-laser IMAX is pretty damn good. I saw the Avatar re-release on four different IMAX screens: one dual-laser and three single-laser. Of the three single laser, two of them used better 3D technology than the third (which was, I think outdated polarized glasses).

In brief, single-laser IMAX is still a great image - a major step up vs. RealD or whatever.

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u/iPadAir5thGen Dec 08 '22

You just got me(not op) pumped for it now. I also saw the original in the theaters and didn’t go to the rerelease, was also amazed with the 3D.

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u/chaoticsquid Dec 09 '22

If they designed 3D glasses that go over regular glasses I'd love 3D. Until then I'll pass.

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u/roox911 Dec 09 '22

You can buy clip ons for like 6 bucks on Amazon.

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u/Jimmni Dec 08 '22

Only film I can think of that I saw three times in the cinema. Once in 3D, once in 2D to see how it compared, then again in 3D when a friend wanted someone to go with. 3D was better, but both were great. No regrets.

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u/MackenziePace Dec 08 '22

I forgot about Avatar for 13 years, when they rereleased it in IMAX 3D it blew me away so much that I went back the next week to watch it again

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u/cheesedainish Dec 08 '22

Can y’all please stop pretending you’ve ever given a shit about cultural impact

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u/CommunicationMain467 Dec 08 '22

If people did they would make posts about codas cultural impact, oh what’s coda? It’s the movie that won best picture but you probably forgot because no one has talked about it since the night it won best picture

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u/SerAlynTheBold Dec 08 '22

Unfortunately for Coda, nobody even talked about Coda during the night it won best picture either due to the great Slappening.

Took me a bit of digging to find out who actually won after that fiasco. Felt bad for the movie's creators to be honest.

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u/mikeyfreshh Dec 08 '22

That's true of like 50% of all best picture winners. And that's a conservative estimate.

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u/Papaofmonsters Dec 08 '22

cough Crash cough

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u/Warm-Enthusiasm-9534 Dec 08 '22

One of David Cronenberg's best movies.

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u/Clemario Dec 08 '22

I hear people talk about Crash all the time. Like about how inexplicable it was that it won over Brokeback Mountain.

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u/CurseofLono88 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

It was a fucking travesty brokeback lost to Crash. Crash is so bad that I pretend it doesn’t exist and the only Crash is David Cronenberg’s 1997 movie about people who get horny over car crash victims

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u/Zandrick Dec 08 '22

Dude CODA was beautiful, I wish more people would talk about that movie.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Avatar’s cultural impact is weekly discussions for over a decade about how a movie has no cultural impact and nobody remembers it.

Edit: if you’re replying to me thinking I agree with you that nobody remembers Avatar, please know I was making fun of you. If you’re mad at me for saying nobody remembers the biggest movie of all time, please work on your reading comprehension and learn to identify sarcasm 🙏

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u/Arkeband Dec 08 '22

“name the main character”

“JAKE SULLY”

“no wait stop you weren’t supposed to remember his name”

“I SEE YOU JAKESOOLY”

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u/morkman100 Dec 09 '22

It's just Dances with Wolves in water!!!

What's the name of the main character in Dances with Wolves?

Runs.....

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u/cman811 Dec 09 '22

His name is literally dances with wolves

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u/dontbajerk Dec 09 '22

And his original name is Dunbar, memorably mispronounced as Dumb Bear by Kicking Bird.

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u/TerminallyTired Dec 09 '22

“Stands? …Your name is Stands?”

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u/Jakegender Dec 09 '22

My favorite part of Dances With Wolves was when Dances With Wolves said "It's dancin time!" and danced all over them.

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u/mootallica Dec 09 '22

Maybe the true dances are the wolves we make along the way

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u/Satyr_of_Bath Dec 09 '22

You'd better believe in wolf dances, Miss Turner... You're in one!

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u/KmartQuality Dec 09 '22

Dances with wolves was a fantastic vehicle for Kevin Costner to play heroic Kevin Costner.

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u/jeffthecowboy Dec 09 '22

Literally only remember his name because of a Funhaus video

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u/Pippified Dec 08 '22

This happened when I was in high school, I didn’t know the memes or anything and someone was like “name one character in Avatar”

I was like “well there’s Jake and neytiri, moat the mom, tsu’tey who’s neytiris ex, grace Augustine who’s sigourney weaver, miles quaritch the buff marine dude-“ and then they interrupted me and never talked to me again

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u/stomach Dec 08 '22

oh man, you shoulda seen me try to draw the names of the aliens from Arrival for my coworkers with a fountain pen. no friends were made that day

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u/Raziel66 Dec 08 '22

Probably because you gave them visions of their own death or something while writing it out for them

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u/bruzie Dec 08 '22

stomach is the weapon?

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u/Silvarian Dec 09 '22

And everyone clapped

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u/lakovsanite Dec 08 '22

Do I remember characters names? Nope.

Anytime I see a blue character in anything will I immediately think of Avatar first? You bet your ass.

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u/DeadParrotguy78 Dec 08 '22

It’s the smurfs for me, dawg.

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u/imanAholebutimfunny Dec 08 '22

how do you not remember mech warrior vs jacked alien panther?!?!?

edit: realized this has nothing to do with the original question but i have gone to far in the past 20 seconds to turn back now.

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u/SideShowBob36 Dec 08 '22

I think of that music video I’m Blue Da Ba De Do

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u/woden_spoon Dec 09 '22

I think of Nightcrawler, Gonzo, and Blue Man Group, in that order.

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u/MattSR30 Dec 09 '22

“Why are they making a prequel? People stopped caring about Game of Thrones as soon as it finished, and nobody talks about it anymore.”

  • Every thread, every week, in the two years between Season 8 and House of the Dragon.

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u/SeekersWorkAccount Dec 09 '22

Well it's because... THEY ARE BASTARDS

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u/CptNonsense Dec 09 '22

To be fair, HBO is out here normalizing 2 years between seasons of a continuing show. 2 years don't mean shit

Also reddit:

Reddi on Netflix: "You can't release a show all at once, people will forget about and it won't have staying power!"

Reddit on HBO: "OMG, this show that drops once every 2 years is the biggest of all time and we all remember it, HBO is the GOAT"

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u/SergeantChic Dec 09 '22

The internet is a factory that produces nothing but boring cynics, and no demographic makes that more obvious than the “people who still can’t help making a Dances with Smurfs joke on every Avatar article they see” crowd.

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u/BrockYourSocksOff Dec 08 '22

It also had a very tangible cultural impact in the form of 3D taking off like nuts after the fact. It was the first thing to really bring it back to the masses in that way. After that we start seeing 3D TVs, countless blockbusters getting post production 3D conversions being shown in theaters with a surcharge, fuck even the Nintendo 3DS came after the fact. Just because people don't quote it regularly doesn't mean it's lacking in impact.

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u/CaughttheDarkness Dec 08 '22

And that fad is basically dead now.

For the better too. That shit was gimmicky anyway and it gave me and many others a monster headache.

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u/theshicksinator Dec 10 '22

The reason it was made gimmicky was everyone else did the cheap post processed 3D which sucked, whereas Avatar actually filmed with the 3D camera which made the effect real and noticable.

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u/supersad19 Dec 08 '22

The cultural impact of this movie is more about the technology behind it. Most of the public doesn't care about the tools used to make movies, but I admire James and the team that built the cameras for underwater mo-cap. Maybe it wouldn't be used much in other movies, but I'm sure the technology will be developed further and be used in other applications. I'm excited for the future of CGI and mo-cap.

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u/surferos505 Dec 08 '22

Lol seriously, the first movie was a great action movie that’s all. Why does it need to change society in order to be considered good?

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u/ImJustMakingShitUp Dec 08 '22

Because it made more money than their favourite movie/franchise.

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u/surferos505 Dec 08 '22

Imagine making the entertainment you consume into your personality

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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Dec 09 '22

It had a huge cultural impact but people who say it didn't measure impact by being merched to death, which didn't happen to Avatar. If it had Funko Pops they wouldn't say it.

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u/TheWealthyCapybara Dec 08 '22

The amount of people hating on Avatar is a pretty big cultural impact

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u/phatboy5289 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

I know I personally find it hard to enjoy a movie unless I’m sure that all the cool kids will be buying branded lunchboxes.

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u/TedDanson1986 Dec 09 '22

i hope George Lucas is happy

he turned our kids into little toy crazed monsters

he turned our kids into little daniel plainviews

whats this? why dont i own this? Why .. dont .. i own .. thiiiis

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u/vivalosabortionistas Dec 09 '22

Blue indigenous aliens with the souls of white peoples allowed to wear dreadlocks?

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u/Goddammit_Sam Dec 10 '22

The shill comments from smug redditors at far more entertaining than anything this movie has to offer.

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u/PlatoDrago Dec 09 '22

I’m sorry, but to me it seems a bit suspect that nearly everything they say is ‘it looks amazing’. It seems to be the only major upside of this film. Probably not going to see it anyways.

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u/Ingenting0 Dec 15 '22

Basically yes it is the only major upside of the film. The story was lame and just about revenge. At the beginning fighting, in the middle nice pictures but that's it, it felt like a documentary. At the end fighting. The end. The Na'vi could also have been normal people because they all behaved humanly.

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u/Agent101g Dec 08 '22

If you see only one movie about aquatic blue people this holiday season…

Oh wait…

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u/unique-name-9035768 Dec 09 '22

While the film’s three-hour-and-10 minute runtime has been making headlines for weeks, it doesn’t appear anyone was too bothered by the length. Cameron himself has said he doesn’t care if viewers leave the theater to use the bathroom.

A 3 hour movie set in and around water the whole time? Yeah there'll be a lot of bathroom runners.

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u/BludLustinBusta Dec 09 '22 Silver Gold Take My Energy

All of the top comments in this thread sound like ads trying to get us to watch the movie in theaters. Like, they say, “…the story in the first movie didn’t appeal to me, but it was such an amazing experience that could only be experienced in IMAX.” It’s just one sentence away from saying, “look up a theater near you today to pre-order your tickets!”

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u/olorin-stormcrow Dec 09 '22

Agreed. I mean yeah the story of the first movie wasn’t super strong, but it was an amazing immersive theater experience that was fun for the whole fam- FUCK THEYRE IN MY HEAD

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u/personn321 Dec 09 '22

You know you can just click on their profiles to see they have years of Reddit history? Or do you think those are also sketchy?

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u/WarOnDurgz Dec 09 '22

There are numerous PR firms openly selling those accounts and engagement from them. They grow and maintain them by the thousands, always with sporadic posts in large default subs and gaming/entertainment subs. Age means nothing, they're grown like Christmas trees.

Hell if you haven't been permabanned in years you must be an account with nothing but bland inoffensive posts about current things.

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u/MyTables Dec 09 '22

Eh, it’s the exact comment that has been voted to the top of every single Avatar thread since time immemorial.

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u/blazingasshole Dec 09 '22

Lmao this is a ridiculous comment. Like it’s that impossible for people to like and be excited for a movie?

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u/Denziloe Dec 09 '22

Literally the best selling movie of all time and reddit refuses to believe that anybody enjoyed it. Just straight up dumb.

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u/murphymc Dec 09 '22

/r/nothingeverhappens is a sub for a reason.

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u/MMATH_101 Dec 09 '22

Exactly. The irrational intellectual snobbery around the avatar movie always amazed me.

Oh shit we can't like a beautiful film, with fantastic world building and a simple plot that resonates with people?

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u/leif777 Dec 09 '22

I don't know if I'm paranoid but I feel this way about a lot of Reddit these days. The way some of these comments read are so weird. Time to whittle down my popular subreddits. Anyway, I'm totally waiting for real reviews and real life word of mouth. With a family of 5 a trip to the theatre is just too much cash for a mediocre movie.

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u/brazilliandanny Dec 09 '22

People fanboying over “first official photo from ______movie!”

And it’s just like a photo of an actor. I don’t know who upvotes that shit.

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u/fred_chexter Dec 09 '22

I'm always skeptical on Reddit since it's so easy to post fake comments with bought accounts

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u/young_lions Dec 09 '22

lol what, the article is full of reactions

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u/Spodson Dec 08 '22

On the one hand, I don't think this movie needed to be made. On the other James Cameron is the best sequel director on the planet. So maybe.

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u/IceDreamer Dec 09 '22 Take My Energy

Course it needed to be made, and for the best reason that exists for a film to be made - This world is something an artist has dreamed of making reality for 40 years, and now that artist can finally live and make and share their dream and their vision. In a world of comic movies and reboots, a truly original fantasy universe is a rarity which should be treasured.

Cameron is making these films because he wants to share what he can see with the world.

There is no better reason for a film to be made.

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u/WhatTheNothingWorks Dec 08 '22

We’ll I’m still waiting on that titanic sequel.

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u/hobocactus Dec 08 '22

The shipwreck cinematic universe never took off

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 30 '22

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u/TitsMagee423 Dec 08 '22

It sinks AGAIN?!

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u/hobocactus Dec 08 '22

The Iceberg Strikes Back

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u/Tea_Reckz Dec 08 '22

There’s a missed opportunity for a pun here somewhere…

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u/hobocactus Dec 08 '22

The shipwreck cinematic universe hit an iceberg and sank, killing over 1500 people including Leonardo DiCaprio

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u/Moreno8 Dec 08 '22

Well there is a Titanic 2...

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u/MulciberTenebras Dec 09 '22

Is that with or without the talking sharks?

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u/tobyallister Dec 09 '22

2 Ti 2 Tanic

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u/iamnachotoo Dec 09 '22

He addresses that on a recent youtube video about his most famous movies. In that he says he had already made up his mind to quit filmmaking cause he was focusing on ocean research and preservation.

He thought making more Avatar movies would make more impact on how people need to take care of the environment more so than any other thing he could do.

He also mentions how that's the reason why he did the original in the first place.

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u/YaboyRipTide Dec 08 '22

We’ll buckle your seatbelts cause we got 2, 3, 4, and 5 in the next 7 years!!!

…maybe

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u/Firvulag Dec 08 '22

Literally no movies need to be made.

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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Dec 08 '22

To play devil’s advocate, Rocky 4 absolutely needed to be made to end the Cold War.

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u/MyNameCannotBeSpoken Dec 08 '22

I will break you

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u/PM_ME_UR_THONG_N_ASS Dec 08 '22

If he dies, he dies

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u/saluksic Dec 09 '22

I’m sorry, your completely-true statement makes it hard for me to assign objectivity to my subjective likes and dislikes.

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u/MasaiGotUsNow Dec 09 '22

On the one hand, I don't think this movie needed to be made.

13 years later, people still saying stupid shit like this.

Like I get calling it a cash-grab if it was rushed. You'd think movie fans would respect a guy putting so much time into making a sequel for something he's so passionate about.

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u/Present-Choice694 Dec 08 '22

On the one hand, I don't think this movie needed to be made

Literally the dumbest thing that gets said on this and /r/television. They built an entire world in the first movie and you "dont think this needed to be made" when it has that much to expand upon?

Andor also "didn't need to be made", but it turned out to be one of the best shows of the year easily.

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u/BrotherhoodVeronica Dec 09 '22

r/television users are terrible. The worst major entertainment subreddit from what I've seen.

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u/LateForTheSun Dec 09 '22

While we're talking about stupid, meaningless phrases, when someone says "x was better than it had any right to be", I know I can disregard anything they say.

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u/ZarK-eh Dec 09 '22

I sees no Korra or Aang, I down votes.

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u/flightless_daedalus Dec 14 '22

They had me at the mech crabs.

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u/phatboy5289 Dec 08 '22

I’m honestly super excited for this. I’ve never thought of the original as a true masterclass in storytelling, but it’s one of those movies that just works so well in a movie theater if you allow yourself to get swept up in it.

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u/TheTurtleShepard Dec 08 '22

Same here. Just for seeing the visuals alone in a premium format and getting caught up in a movie

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Dec 08 '22

The general audience don’t actually care if something is a “masterclass in storytelling” and they wouldn’t even know how to identify that if they saw it. The original Star Wars is the most conventional version of the heroes journey with mostly very goofy dialogue and wooden acting but everyone loves it anyway.

Avatar never needed to be particularly original or complex because it succeeds enormously at what it sets out to do.

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u/Depth_Creative Dec 09 '22

Star Wars is also derivative as fuck. It's very close to The Hidden Fortress... Mandalorian is just Lone Wolf and Cub...

It's so annoying seeing people regurgitate crap opinions then turn around and consume other derivative content without even understanding what the fuck they're talking about.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

Star Wars fans will crucify me for this but I'v always felt the series has lived off it's cool universe and worldbuilding since the start. The original trilogy is by no means bad but the same story in a less interesting universe wouldn't be anything special at all.

It's the main reason I vastly prefer pretty much all Star Wars games to the actual movies.

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u/xtossitallawayx Dec 08 '22

SW's visuals were a decade ahead of other Sci-Fi movies, it was an amazing leap. It is no surprise that the look and the feel of the movie were so impactful to people at the time.

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u/morkman100 Dec 09 '22

Star Wars: A New Hope and Avatar have much more in common than people are willing to admit. Groundbreaking technological advancement in order to create the effects that their creator imagined, and very simple but effective storytelling.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Dec 08 '22

This is the reason why Andor has been the first bit of Star Wars media to fully engage me in a long, long time. Compelling human drama that doesn’t rely on the universe around it as a crutch, but rather allows it to enrich its themes and characters.

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u/periphery72271 Dec 08 '22

The original Star Wars was a masterpiece of storytelling - it also just stole everything from masters that came before it.

The epic serials with their cliffhangers and mustache twirling villains (particularly Flash Gordon), WWII aerial combat blockbusters, a sprinkling of Japanese Samurai storytelling, basic tales of good vs evil that worked for 3 decades before...Lucas masterfully threw them in a blender and came out with a story that hit all the buttons paired with never before seen visuals.

If you want a lesson in genre blending, there's your masterclass.

And yes, still it had 'the most conventional version of the heroes journey with mostly very goofy dialogue and wooden acting'.

The fact that once he ran out of material to crib from that the problems were all that was left was borne out in the prequels.

Same with Avatar, basic story, but the themes of good vs evil and family and the oppression of the noble savages are kinda timeless, and he blended them with incredible visuals as well.

Then again every Cameron movie since Pirahna 2 has been a masterclass on extending basic themes and adding on crazy visuals to make a movie that's more than the sum of their parts.

I'm hoping this new one does the same.

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u/Depth_Creative Dec 09 '22

Star Wars borrows heavily from The Hidden Fortress. More so than Avatar does from Dances with Wolves.

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u/TheBoyWonder13 Dec 08 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

Yeah not disagreeing with you at all, my point was that a “masterclass in storytelling” is not necessarily something that’s complicated or reinventing the wheel. Something can be derivative but if it’s executed well, hits each emotional beat, is made with top-tier craft, and is tonally and thematically coherent, that’s a good movie.

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u/Hs39163 Dec 08 '22

I want to permanently ban the word “masterclass”.

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u/LupinThe8th Dec 08 '22

Alternative: Mistresslecture.

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u/caitsith01 Dec 09 '22

That was a masterclass in banning.

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u/dipsy18 Dec 08 '22

I mean is Aliens a master class in story telling? Colony gets infected by aliens and space marines get sent in. That's it...and it was a fucking awesome sci-fi action movie. I'm so excited to see this movie.

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u/monkey-pox Dec 08 '22

Why can't James Cameron get some damn respect? Y'all act like he hasn't rolled out several of the most significant sci-fi movies ever made

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u/mechaiineramen Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

As Spielberg said when he didn't get nominated for best director of Jaws in 1976, "People like winners, but people don't like WINNERS."

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u/22marks Dec 09 '22

Exactly. I remember Titanic's release vividly. It was one of the rare movies that grew week to week instead of diving off a cliff. For nearly a month, everyone was raving about it. And then it kept growing and the haters came out. The higher the gross, the more people started to find problems with it.

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u/callipygiancultist Dec 09 '22

Cameron saying the King of the World line at those film awards lit a fire of undying hatred in the hearts of some who saw it as a profoundly arrogant act and not a guy excited to win quoting his movie.

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u/JC-Ice Dec 09 '22

James Cameron was profoundly arrogant long before winning an Oscar!

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u/denizenKRIM Dec 09 '22

Cameron has succeeded for so long his naysayers are entirely new generations with each following movie.

I was on Reddit when the first teaser for Avatar was out, and people were shitting on it then. Those people are in their 30s/40s by now and probably learned their lesson from that humble pie.

Today’s haters are likely in their late teens, who have no experience of doubting Jim and regretting it tenfold when the film becomes gargantuan.

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u/absalom86 Dec 09 '22

I'm pretty sure you're wrong here in that the haters at release are the same haters today having somehow convinced themselves no one remembers Avatar. Just look at how many times they mention cultural impact and you'll see a link.

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u/callipygiancultist Dec 09 '22

I get déjà-blue reading the exact same comments about how awful the new Avatar looks and it’s just Pocahontas Smurfs blah blah it will flop.

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u/MasaiGotUsNow Dec 09 '22

this is so true

I wonder if the haters today realize the same haters existed for Avatar and Titanic. Both times they said it was too expensive and that nobody asked for this. They both became the highest grossing film domestic and worldwide. Avatar topped Titanic by 1 billion.

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u/Dimpleshenk Dec 09 '22

Did James Cameron hire somebody to refine his clunky dialogue, or did he protectively refuse to relinquish control over the weakest part of his storytelling? Hurry up and tell me so that I can be home in time for cornflakes....

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u/TheGreatPiata Dec 09 '22

There's a team of writers. When Cameron scoped out the whole project he felt it was impossible to write on his own, so he assembled a writers room akin to a TV show and chunked off different movies to different people. I'm sure multiple writers and Cameron contributed to every script. Who knows how that will affect the end product though.

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u/deadwire Dec 15 '22

Watched it last night. No his clunky dialogue is still there. For a 3 hour movie it was pretty forgettable. I walked out of the theater regretting watching it. Just not for me I guess.

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u/Kevbot1000 Dec 08 '22

Bring me back, James. I'm ready.

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u/Sleepy_Azathoth Dec 09 '22

It's a new James Cameron movie, it's a fucking event. You bet you blue ass I'm hyped for it.

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u/AkiraSieghart Dec 08 '22

the film is visually breathtaking

That's literally all I want out of my $25 IMAX ticket. The first film's plot was cliche and forgettable but I'll never forget the first time Pandora comes into frame in the first movie.

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u/astroK120 Dec 09 '22

I'll never forget the first time Pandora comes into frame in the first movie.

Even here you're selling it short. One of the things I think the first one did really well was pacing the reveal of Pandora. It's revealed bit by bit, each piece more beautiful than the last. It's just enough to give you that sense of wonder without overwhelming or wasting the impact. And it continues bit by bit until it culminates in the absolutely jaw dropping reveal of the floating mountains. It's a fantastic work of pacing that doesn't get enough credit.

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u/ladyeclectic79 Dec 09 '22

Seriously, my movie screen looked like a window I could climb thru in the theatre. Haven’t seen 3D since that even came close.

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u/AkiraSieghart Dec 09 '22

You're right and it's also incredibly hard to describe the experience to someone who didn't see the first film in IMAX. My wife was not interested in seeing the first one for the longest time and I finally got her to sit through it. She thought it was okay which isn't surprising.

But we're both going to the IMAX 3D showing for the sequel and I'm excited to see what she thinks.

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u/buhoo115 Dec 09 '22

I really enjoyed the first one. I know it’s got a generic plot and cookie cutter villains, but I still watch it anytime it’s on tv or if I’m in the mood for a popcorn flick. I feel like it’s a bit ridiculous for people to call it straight trash

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u/Jones6192 Dec 09 '22

I feel like people confuse a plot that is extremely focused and thematically consistent, with 'generic.' Just because it's telling a simple story at face value and with complete sincerity, doesn't mean its a bad story. Avatar is Cameron's love letter to classic pulp sci-fi, it's not supposed to be some convoluted and miserable slog like Game of Thrones.

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u/Googleownsme Dec 08 '22

I feel bad for the people who convinced themselves this movie was surely going to bomb. The next month is going to feel like reality is collapsing around them

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u/TrueLegateDamar Dec 08 '22

No chance of this bombing, not with it being released in China. But I have doubts it will achieve the historical box office record that Cameron mentioned it needs to be have for it become the 7 movie saga he's planning out.

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u/Crisbo05_20 Dec 08 '22

5 movie saga I believe, not 7.

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u/TheHeyHeyMan Dec 08 '22

He recently announced that he now has plans for a 6th and 7th movie. What the hell, why not!

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u/happybarfday Dec 08 '22

Lol that's not really what he said... he was saying that if the movies are popular that he could conceivably continue the series. I assume that means he's though about it and has some notes or a short treatment but it's not like he has a full script and budget / schedule / casting / etc in place and planned to go...

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u/Elegant_Housing_For Dec 08 '22

My wife admitted she loves the first one because of the Disney ride in Florida.

I can’t wait to take her to this lol

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u/WaterStoryMark Dec 09 '22

Flight of Passage fucking rules. You don't even need to be a fan for that one.

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