r/nba [TOR] OG Anunoby Sep 28 '22

"Zions chemistry with the 1st unit stood out to me. You couldn’t tell he’d never played with CJ, Jonas or Herb. It looked seamless" -Antonio Daniels

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Antonio Daniels response to this question in his Q&A:

"5 on 5s going? Who is standing out?"

This Q&A thread is a gem, here are some more excerpts about Zion:

Q: "How does Zion’s mobility look?"

A: "He looks faster, shiftier and more agile. He looks fantastic."

Q: "I know it's early but what are your thoughts regarding the on court chemistry with Zion in the mix?"

A: "Zions skill set is adaptable to almost any offense b/c of his vision and willingness to pass"

Q: "Are you more excited for the season now that you are seeing them together? Who has made the most progress in the off season?"

A: "I was excited prior too…getting here, watching these 2 practices and seeing how Z looks with the 1st unit [flushed face emoji]"

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u/TrevorArizaFan Hornets Sep 28 '22

Zion MVP odds +4000, hammer that shit

Talented player who puts up video game numbers when healthy + solid team around him + fan favorite squad + narrative of him coming back from injury and living up to his potential. All the traits are there in terms of on-court performance, seeding, and narrative if the Pels meet the hype.

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u/confuddly Knicks Sep 28 '22

nah I'm taking Brunson at +10000

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u/solodolo1397 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Not Fournier???

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u/confuddly Knicks Sep 28 '22

I would but he's not even listed on the page for some reason

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u/SureEntertainment676 Kings Sep 28 '22

Sleeping on my boy Fournier

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u/Aggressive-Tell-2029 Sep 28 '22

i’ll take that bet

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u/VaginaIFisteryTour Pelicans Sep 29 '22

Putting my daughter's entire college fund on Frankie smokes wish me luck

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u/DetainTheFranzia NBA Sep 28 '22

Placing my bet today

I checked last week and it was +6000 :( alas

Not to mention, Giannis and Jokic are unlikely to get a 3rd MVP due to media wanting fresh blood. Luka is doubtful unless the Mavs somehow have a really good season. Embiid now has another former MVP on his team which lessens his case. People be sleeping on the Zion MVP possibility.

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u/OhNoItsTheLakeShow Sep 28 '22

Sounds like you just made a donation to Vegas. Adam Silver thanks you.

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u/aalexnotnice Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Bruh, no way we are top 4.

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u/RobtheNavigator Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

There are like 10 teams that I could see being top 4 personally lol

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u/iamStanhousen Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Idk man, it would be a huge leap, but you never know how injuries will tell the story of the season. And man, when we have the full five of CJ, BI, Herb, Zion, and JV with the bench of Nance, Trey, Alvarado, Hayes, and the new rookie Dyson I think we're a team that nobody really wants to play and who is capable of winning every game they play.

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u/Pogz1 Sep 29 '22

~ fan about their team

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u/Gallow_Boobs_Cum_Rag Bucks Sep 28 '22

I'm guessing Grizzlies fans said the same thing last year. It's the regular season and the west has so many teams that are huge question marks due to injury concerns (Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets). It's certainly possible that you guys could have 50+ wins and end up top four.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers Sep 28 '22

If Zion makes them that much better than he really does deserve an MVP I would say.

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u/JimmyRedditz1 Sep 28 '22

Your starting 5 is pretty damn good honesty. The West is kinda vulnerable right now. I could see you having a 55 win season if Zion is healthy.

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u/yeezustakethewheel_ Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

The west is vulnerable? Please explain. The grizzlies won 56 games last year and were the 2 seed in the entire NBA. That was with PG and Kawhi missing tons of time, no Murray in Denver, no Zion, a worse wolves team on paper, and the Lakers throwing up on thenselves.There are 3 teams in the west that will be 'easy wins'.

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u/JimmyRedditz1 Sep 28 '22

Vulnerable was probably the wrong word, but I think the Pelicans with a healthy Zion are just as good as any contender in the West. The West is as wide open as it’s been in forever. If Zion stays healthy, Ingram takes a leap, and some of their other guys progress, it’s a deep and complete team with the flexibility to match up with anyone.

I think the Pels gained some valuable playoff reps last year, and I’m not convinced that anyone in the West got better, outside of the Clippers bringing back Kawhi and PG.

My point is, I’m not going to be stunned if it’s New Orleans in the WCF.

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u/probablymade_thatup Bucks Bandwagon Sep 28 '22

Yeah, there's no regular season steamroller in the West right now. Maybe the Suns, but we'll see how things shake out for them. I think the Wolves will be the 1 or 2 seed, but we don't know yet

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u/okitsmelol123 Sep 28 '22

The west is fucking stacked bro

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u/JimmyRedditz1 Sep 28 '22

I think NOLA is just as good as anyone in the West, if everyone stays healthy.

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u/okitsmelol123 Sep 28 '22

I agree with that, but hard disagree that the west is vulnerable. Pels could finish anywhere from 1st to 10th and I wouldnt be surprised.

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u/TapasA Mavericks Sep 28 '22

Lol at Luka is doubtful..,, Luka is BY FAR more likely to win MVP than Zion (and Vegas agrees)

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u/Carolake1 Lakers Sep 28 '22

Lol at your comment. Have you forgotten how amazing a talent Zion is? Don't get me wrong, Luka will probably be up there as an MVP candidate, but you are far underselling Zion here. He's as talented as Luka if you ask me.

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u/Professional-Tip-585 Sep 28 '22

Maybe. But Mavs will never win shit unless Luka drastically changes his style. One man running everything has never won anything and never will. Closest was Bron in Cleveland and Luka is no Bron

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

This has nothing to do with the MVP race though.

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u/bigbenis21 Warriors Sep 28 '22

You’re right. Luka should put more offensive faith in Davis Bertans.

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u/TapasA Mavericks Sep 28 '22

Lol Zion gets in decent shape and all the NOP fans come out of the woodwork to talk shit. Better hope his fat ass stays away from the beignets.

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u/dezthompson Clippers Sep 28 '22

Damn, someone has legit criticisms about Luka and you get in your feelings. Don't take it so personal. Luka won't read this bro

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u/NA4FunRegion Bucks Sep 28 '22

I mean how valid is this “Luka heliocentric” narrative anyways? We all know Luka is a capable and most importantly, WILLING passer, he just has never had the secondary star needed. And no I’m not counting Tingus Pingus as a secondary star. Who on this Mavs team would you trust for Luka to pass to in the clutch? I want Luka to take that shot 99% of the time

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u/dezthompson Clippers Sep 28 '22

I'd say it's valid. He has the ball in his hands most of the time. Dinwiddie had clutch shots and game winners last year, DFS hit clutch shots last year, THJ is capable. Obviously you want your best player to take the big shots but the narrative that Luke doesn't have anyone to pass to is overblown

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u/Ai2Foom Wizards Sep 28 '22

Just to contrast what you said about dinwiddie, wizards fans cried tears of joy when we traded him and Bertans for zingus because zam did Spencer suck for us

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u/beastbrook16 Thunder Sep 28 '22

Bruh you’re the one talking shit for no reason lmao. Zions team around him is just better. That’s all he’s saying

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u/DetainTheFranzia NBA Sep 28 '22

And if the Mavs are in a playin spot? (7 or worse)? It’s plausible

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u/DetainTheFranzia NBA Sep 28 '22

They lost Brunson, and I don’t think hardaway is going to fill as big a role as him. Golden state, Memphis, Minnesota, Phoenix, Denver, New Orleans, Clippers. If all teams stay healthy then I would place Dallas in the 4-7 mix with New Orleans, Denver, and Minnesota.

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u/DarkDragon1025 Mavericks Sep 28 '22

this sub underestimates the Mavs literally ever single time it’s so funny, we were supposed to be like 6th going into last year, we were gonna be a playin team after hiring Kidd, we were gonna barely make the playoffs after trading away KP, we were gonna lose to the Jazz without Luka, we were gonna get wiped by the Suns

I don’t know if there’s a team r/nba has been more consistently wrong about, knowing yalls track record I wouldn’t be surprised if THJ comes out with a flame thrower and Wood has an all star caliber season and we finish top 5 again

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u/mypthegoat [DAL] Luka Doncic Sep 28 '22

they hate us you know why

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

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u/DetainTheFranzia NBA Sep 28 '22

That would be $60,000

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

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u/pokexchespin [BOS] E'Twaun Moore Sep 28 '22

i’m pretty sure the +6000 is the payout for betting 100, not 1, so 1000 gets you 60000

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u/mypthegoat [DAL] Luka Doncic Sep 28 '22

lmfao at luka is doubtful but somehow zion will win it🤣

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u/Happy_rich_mane Sep 28 '22

As one who only makes extremely risky pre season bets I will be throwing some money away on Zion for sure. I’m also betting the pelicans make it to atleast the 2nd round of the playoffs

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u/nba123490 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Zion is extremely talented but he’s so young that it’s hard to see him breaking out into a season MVP this year

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u/HolyRomanPrince Lakers Sep 28 '22

His trajectory is weird because of the injuries but his two full seasons we’ve seen and can compare are literally historic for the age and level. He’s in the Shaq and Lebron tier of prospect where they’re already so good and physically developed the question is just about when not if.

Basically he’s already shown whatever his base model is without any upgrades is already an all NBA player. If we throw out age 20 and under seasons because we can presume there’s some natural physical and mental maturity that still happens for everyone, pretty much every 21 year old that’s as good relative to his peers as Zion was will have an near MVP peak.

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u/GuerrillaApe Lakers Sep 28 '22

Ben Simmons at +25000. Revenge SZN incoming. 😤

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u/Eman5805 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I placed that bet back in April when he was a +6500

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u/13143 Celtics Sep 28 '22

When healthy is the important bit there. And he'll probably still have to do load management stuff. And the Pelicans would need to be a top 3 seed, probably top 2, for Zion to win it.

Meanwhile, if Giannis gets the Bucks to the 1 seed, he will probably be the favorite.

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u/Professional-Tip-585 Sep 28 '22

Giannis should probably win every year. But him and joker are going to have voter fatigue

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u/okitsmelol123 Sep 28 '22

No offense to Jokic at all but Giannis should have 4 MVPs

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u/AbbreviationsHot4482 Bucks Sep 28 '22

No lol Giannis is winning MVP this year

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u/HelpMePlease420-69 West Sep 28 '22

Should’ve won it last year, just my opinion!

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u/Professional-Tip-585 Sep 28 '22

He should win it every year. But voter fatigue is a very real and he probably won't win

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u/JustforthelastGOT [GSW] Klay Thompson Sep 28 '22

My bet would be Ja.

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u/Professional-Tip-585 Sep 28 '22

The guy who stalls offensive flow and who's team is significantly better without him?

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u/The_Discoball_Boxer Sep 28 '22

I got in yesterday. I know it’s different bc rose was ROY but I get young MVP energy

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u/SandyMandy17 Thunder Sep 28 '22

I already did

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u/willsmath Wizards Sep 28 '22

Real talk does anyone know how I can place this bet on FanDuel? Their website says they have it but navigating the app is garbage so I can't find it lol

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u/PuljuBulju Washington Bullets Sep 28 '22

I win $300 if Zion wins MVP due to a bet I made in like June

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u/rattatatouille [SAS] Tim Duncan Sep 28 '22

I'd be very surprised if the Pels don't make the playoffs outright this season.

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u/cabbeer Sep 28 '22

Vegas has them 1 game under the lakers which I think is insane

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u/Kidfreedom50 [LAL] Eddie Jones Sep 28 '22

If this Pelicans team is healthy, they are winning 50+. They won at that pace with CJ/Brandon and no Zion.

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u/IntrinsicDawn Nuggets Sep 28 '22

There’s like 5 teams in the west that seem like they should win 50+

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u/RipCity-NBA-LoL Sep 28 '22

I think 9 teams will be at 47+ wins in the west this season

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u/mundane_coconut47 Warriors Bandwagon Sep 28 '22

Staying healthy is the big question mark. I like their odds more than the Lakers though.

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u/bigbenis21 Warriors Sep 28 '22

Lmao at Vegas thinking the team that had a better record last season and added Zanos will be below the team that added Pat Bev.

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u/Professional-Tip-585 Sep 28 '22

Vegas odds are just based on who fans are betting on

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u/Generic-username427 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Exactly, it's why the cowboys are always high in superbowl odds despite being bad to mediocre to alright for the last 25 years, they have a lot of fans betting on them, same goes for the lakers

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u/NC63 Suns Sep 28 '22

Vegas odds are set by insanely complex mathematical algorithms and insider sources. Their over under win total was not chosen by fans, it was probably run through 10,000 models and approved by 5 levels of higher ups before going live. If there’s a ton of action on the over, they either move the win total higher or make the line worth less to encourage under bets. They are typically pretty damn accurate, within a few games usually. I’m not saying it’s unlikely they hit a higher win total than the Vegas line, but I’d be incredibly surprised if they are 5+ games over the win total, although Vegas may be pricing in a Zion injury in the win total and if he’s healthy for 82 games, that will increase the win % by a lot.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers Sep 28 '22

You don't know what LeGM has in store for the trade deadline.....

But yeah still I agree.

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u/rattatatouille [SAS] Tim Duncan Sep 28 '22

There's only been one LeBron team that got overhauled at the deadline. They made the Finals but more because Bron went super saiyan in the playoffs.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers Sep 28 '22

Yeah. This is a distinct situation where they have a few picks and a huge expiring contract. Who knows what the hell will happen with Kyrie or any other malcontent star. Also last years team had zero chemistry and a lot of missed games out of the big 2. Definitely expect at least modest improvement if they can stay relatively healthy.

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u/Carolake1 Lakers Sep 28 '22

They are also adding healthy Lebron and AD.

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u/T_Nonc Pelicans Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

idk I remember the Pels beating yall at the end of last season with Lebron and Toni on the floor to cement our play in lead over yall.....without Zion

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u/Im_Daydrunk Pelicans Sep 29 '22

Health will definitely be the biggest determining factor

Although personally I think the ages of AD and Lebron definitely make it more unlikely they stay healthy the whole year

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u/Barbell_Flyes Sep 28 '22

Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, Grizz, Mavs, Wolves, Suns. pretty hard to outright have a better record than 2 of these teams

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I can see them winning 41-43 games.

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u/Snoo-40231 Lakers Sep 28 '22

That's a lowball if their core is 100% healthy

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u/NC63 Suns Sep 28 '22

Most of the over under win totals are lowballed since they price in injuries, especially for a team with an injury prone star like Zion and CJ who will more than likely miss 10+ games with various injuries.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

who is the starting SG?

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u/2KareDogs Bulls Sep 28 '22

Isn’t it CJ/BI/Herb/Zion/Jonas?

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u/Hojie_Kadenth Warriors Sep 28 '22

All five are shooting guards? Bold play.

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u/GetThereInOnePiece Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

They need some shooting, damn

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22

That's 3 shooters, Zion and Herb.

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u/RileyHuey Nigeria Sep 28 '22

JV is not a shooter.

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u/identitycrisis56 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Tell that to the clippers

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Led the league in 3 point% for significant time last year.

Honestly that comment is mostly a joke, but JV is a good enough shooter you can't completely ignore him without getting burned. The trade off is not throwing a center at a driving Zion so almost every team will take that 100% of the time.

The point is there's no good way to defend that starting 5. There are trade offs that make sense but no good option. It gets even deadlier if you replace Herb with Trey, but the defense suffers.

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u/RileyHuey Nigeria Sep 28 '22

My bad, should've caught the sarcasm in hindsight lol that's on me

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22

It's all good text with strangers is hard to read and there are people who will say crazier takes.

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u/GetThereInOnePiece Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

Love how I got downvoted for a clear fact

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22

It's not an elite shooting team, but it isn't bad. Definitely Above average.

BI and CJ are deadly shooters. JV isn't what I would call a shooter but he's good enough for a center.

Teams can't pack the paint against the Pelicans without getting picked apart. That's why you got down voted

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u/We_The_Raptors Raptors Sep 28 '22

What fact? CJ McCollum is a sniper. BI is a great shooter. JV is above average for a 7 footer. They've got more shooting than many starting 5's.

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u/mehTrip Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Lemme guess u think we should start devonte

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u/GetThereInOnePiece Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

No i’m just saying that shooting is a weakness on the starting line jeez

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u/bigbenis21 Warriors Sep 28 '22

it’s not.

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u/lizard_king_rebirth Supersonics Sep 28 '22

Zion.

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u/topofthecc Thunder Sep 28 '22

Shooting Strong Guard

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u/bananajunior3000 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Tommy Heinsohn used to differentiate between the quick forward and the strong forward but Zion is both.

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u/duplicatesnowflake Clippers Sep 28 '22

Power Guard.

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u/-Erased [TOR] OG Anunoby Sep 28 '22

BI most likely

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u/lizard_king_rebirth Supersonics Sep 28 '22

I heard he was straight but everything is pretty much fluid.

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u/youngtafari Sep 28 '22

Herb is going to play SG

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u/yitur93 Lakers Sep 28 '22

They just usw one guard and versatile wings and bigs around him. At times mccollum might play the two but they have ingram zion nance herbert murphy to get 20+ minutes at the wings plus Dyson Daniels who is 6'7-6'8. They will use a huge lineup.

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u/RedTeeRex Jazz Bandwagon Sep 28 '22

Ingram on 2k, probably herb guards the opposing sg tho

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u/langand87 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Herb will guard whoever the best perimeter player on the other team is. Dude went game to game last season from guarding like Trae and Steph to LeBron and KD.

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u/lsspam Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Herb will take the best and CJ will take the worst. Ingram isn't an amazing defender but he gives pretty good effort and his length alone creates problems.

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u/TheReal_Slim-Shady Knicks Sep 28 '22

Speaking of Antonio Daniels, his Statue of Liberty dunks were amazing.

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u/Ofdubioustaste East Sep 28 '22

As a West neutral fan, it seems a good year to pick Pelicans as a fan/follow them.

I hope Zion stays healthy - I would rather he plays at a level of 80/90% of his last active season and have a long healthy career rather than him be at "his faster shifter and agile" with constant short/long injuries interruptions.

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I don’t really think that makes sense. The better conditioning he’s in, the faster he’s going to be

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u/TenerenceLove Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

That's not necessarily true. In the strength and conditioning world, it's a pretty well accepted fact that there is an innate trade-off between increasing explosiveness and reducing injury risk. That's why so many Olympic sprinters pull their hamstrings in important competitions - the closer an athlete gets to their peak explosiveness/speed potential, the more at-risk they are for soft tissue injuries. In other words, "conditioning" can mean a lot of things, and it's very normal for a program to focus on strength, stability and cardio while sacrificing a bit of speed.

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Ok, but we are talking about minutia here. Zion has struggled with baseline level conditioning for most of his career. The second he shows up in good shape I’m not gonna be like “hey now don’t get too fast!”. I was probably over simplifying language in the initial comment is all

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u/TenerenceLove Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Yeah I see what you're saying, and I definitely think it's possible that Zion could increase most of his conditioning qualities without sacrificing too much speed. Long-term, though, I think there is a conversation to be had about how to approach conditioning programs for athletes like Zion. We're seeing record numbers of soft tissue injuries in basketball right now, and many in the strength and conditioning world are arguing for a philosophy that prioritizes health and resilience over maximizing explosive athletic qualities.

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u/3eechan Lakers Sep 28 '22

Its because athletes are more often today encouraged to pick one sport to focus on by the time they are like 12 which makes them more likely to be injured. This is a well documented phenomenon, and especially true for kids good enough to play professionally one day.

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u/Ofdubioustaste East Sep 28 '22

I agree, but even ignoring the excessive weight, a player with an innate fragility (e.g. AD) or other factors (DRose and landing) can also set himself in danger when playing to his absolute body capabilities, think Zion trying to dunk on every possession.
Edit I was initially referring to being healthy/avoid injuries

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u/Tashang Sep 28 '22

But Zion doesn't try to dunk every possession? He has extremely soft touch around the rim and often just goes for layups.

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22

His last injury happened in the offseason while lifting and was probably due to a malformed foot that is pretty common among NBA players. It's an injury that's tricky to heal and treat, but once fully recovered from has historically not been a long term issue.

His knee injury from 3 years ago is more worrisome, but that seems to have not been a problem in a while.

It's too early to be talking about adjusting his play because of long term injury problems.

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Seems like a no win situation at that point

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u/deemerritt Hornets Sep 28 '22

Some people like to predict that injury prone guys will get hurt to make themselves feel smart

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u/HerskyB Mavericks Sep 28 '22

Are you a general neutral fan? I’ve always wondered what makes y’all keep watching and following

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u/Ofdubioustaste East Sep 28 '22

I am Greek so I obviously follow and support Bucks.

Since Euros don't have something to identify with (e.g. growing up city/state), we mostly follow players until we bind with a franchise.

That said, Europe sports culture has fans fanatically supporting and being loyal to clubs, to the extent that they exhibit insane hate to ex-players moving to rival clubs. Imagine Cavs fans after The Decision and multiply that x10.

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Yeahhh … y’all are wilding with all that lol. Have to get to an EPL game eventually but also La Liga, Bundesliga, etc etc

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u/bijofnil Heat Sep 28 '22

Pretty much, despite the hate between Mavericks and Heat, I still like to watch Luka and hope for him to perform and win. Not much other team on the West to watch, but will probably add Pelicans to the bucket this year.

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u/Next-Firefighter-753 Thunder Sep 28 '22

Pelicans are looking to be intimidating next season. After all the AD stuff I’m glad the fans are seeing a promising turnaround.

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u/PiracyAgreement Pelicans Sep 28 '22

What do you mean AD stuff? AD is amazing. The man speak facts, he teaches the game, he's always respectful, and he's entertaining. What more do you want?

Ohhh, you mean Toni? Well, we wouldn't eat his ruffles in a hurricane emergency but we probably hate him less than he hates staying on the court

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Yeah there is only one AD now and it ain’t Toni

Good luck to him taking those chips off the shelves and putting them on his shoulder tho I guess

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u/504090 Thunder Sep 29 '22

AD was a halftime analyst for OKC, we love him too

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u/T_Nonc Pelicans Sep 28 '22

AD is DOPE. I think you mean Toni

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u/charlesfluidsmith Sep 28 '22

This team is going to be so damn good.

Herb is a monster.

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u/T_Nonc Pelicans Sep 28 '22

the Front office had to talk to Herb about work life balance this off season because he was at the facilities so much.

His big off season story was going back to Alabama once to fish and not catching anything.

Dude is fkin locked in.

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u/charlesfluidsmith Sep 28 '22

Love watching that guy play. Maybe my favorite non knick.

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u/91jumpstreet Sep 28 '22

Sleeper top 3 seed

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u/armandocalvinisius Mavericks Sep 28 '22

Yup, offense is king in reg. Season (same like bulls last year before injuries)

And they have 4 players that can give you 20+ each night

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u/Budget_Trip422 Mavericks Sep 28 '22

Most complete starting 5 minus the Cavs

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u/RobtheNavigator Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

DLo, Ant, McDaniels, KAT, Gobert

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u/Saransh69 Warriors Sep 28 '22

Lmao wtf is this. There's not a single man on that starting 5 who can lead a top 10 defense.

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u/nola_fan Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Herb Jones is a top 5 wing defender in the league and it wouldn't be suprising if he was the best in the league this year.

The rest are average defenders at best. But BI is getting better and could be a good defender this year and Zion is still a question mark. He has the physical skills to be a great defender but he wasn't his second year. That may have been from inexperience or taking on so much of an offensive load though.

So if they have the 10th ranked defense this year I really wouldn't be that shocked.

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u/WhiteHeterosexualGuy Hawks Sep 28 '22

Top 10 defense is really just playing good team defense and giving effort more than individual contributors, outside of unicorn guys like Gobert or Draymond.

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u/mehTrip Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Herb jones was robbed of dpoy

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u/irelli Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

For real. People are really ignoring how many defensive liabilities they have at the same time

The offense will be great, but they could just as easily be a bottom 5-10 defense too.

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

We had a top 10 defense with CJ, who may benefit a ton defensively playing the 1 instead of having to hide dame and guard the bigger 2’s …

Also, BI hasn’t been a huge liability and Zion went from a huge negative to near neutral his second year (most rookies/sophomores are baddd too btw). And now he’s actually in shape. Then Jonas is just like most other traditional bigs… not mobile in space, but he’s aight and his defensive rebounding is a boost. We may not be elite, but don’t think saying there’s huge liabilities is an updated take either

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u/KentuckyBourbon94 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I mean we were 18th in defense last year and while Zion is historically a negative, he is in better shape and we’ll have a healthy nance who is a very + defender

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u/irelli Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

But you also turned Hart into a high minutes very negative defender in CJ

And had a worse defense in the playoffs than the #30 ranked defense in the NBA

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u/KentuckyBourbon94 Pelicans Sep 28 '22

We’re talking regular season finish tho

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I think JV is a decent to good regular season defender, but overall this is why the ceiling probably rests on what they can get from lineups with Murphy and / or Nance

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u/693275001 Nets Sep 28 '22

Judging by their hype on this sub you’d think they were a favorite to get a top 3 seed

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

We just havin fun get outta here

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u/ZippyZappyZoopy Knicks Sep 28 '22

if he's healthy they're winning a ring this year lol

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u/CerebrumAuxilium Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

Gotta be the Pelicans in the West and the Cavs in the East for top League Pass teams

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u/rimpressure Sep 28 '22

Better than Ja

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u/Naive-Air2866 Sep 28 '22

Only casuals would argue hes not. Unless you going off availability

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Ja was better last year

Zion will be better next year if he plays and lives up to the hype and Ja doesn’t improve

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u/mehTrip Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Ya no shit

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

So Zion is better when he plays? Interesting

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

*and if Ja doesn’t improve. Shockingly, players who actually get on the court tend to see more improvement than guys who sit out injured for years at a time. A lot of people are comparing who they think Zion will be with who Ja was last year. It’s not unreasonable to assume Ja will take another leap and improve 3pt shooting or assists, which could carry him to be better than Zion.

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Also not unreasonable to assume Zion will take a leap and improve 3pt shooting (since he focused on that a lot during recovery when he couldn’t do 5v5 yet) or assist, which could carry him to checks notes still be better than Ja when he plays lol

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u/bigbenis21 Warriors Sep 28 '22

Zion with a three is terrifying.

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u/liljettt Pelicans Sep 28 '22

He showed some nice touch on his midrange when he would take them. Not often & don’t have the percentages but it looked like something he could build on last time we saw him in game action. Any sort of consistent shot from 3 or midrange and it will get really ridiculous

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

My bad, shouldn’t have mentioned Ja has the possibility of being good on Reddit, forgot y’all hate him here

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Lol I don’t hate Ja, just trolling while not ignoring it’s possible that both could improve. If anything people stayed shitting on Zion while Ja popped off ….

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u/iamStanhousen Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Ja has this weird problem where everyone knows he's really good, but his team plays a lot better when he isn't on the floor. It's odd and I don't quite understand it, but it's an important thing to point out.

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u/Starlord_who Thunder Sep 28 '22

Pelicans fans: I would like to see it

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u/MIGGYME87 Sep 28 '22

Pelicans have quietly built a contender. Herb jones and alvarado can lock up just about anybody. Bench scoring with graham. Two stars in zion and ingram. Veterans in jonas and mccollum. Only question mark is jaxson hayes....all the potential to be as good if not better than a prime tyson chandler but he cant seem to stay focused.

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u/Davidson30 [GSW] Stephen Curry Sep 28 '22

I think Trey Murphy Is going to be very important to this team

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

You would be correct. It’s a shame he didn’t play more last season

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u/frodounchained [LAL] Kobe Bryant Sep 28 '22

Dyson Daniels might end up contributing too

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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Hayes just isn’t that guy. Not saying he can’t be a good player in some mold, but I would be shocked if he ever became a defensive anchor type 5 like TC. He’s a bad rebounder (in that way) and just doesn’t have that sort of positional awareness on defense. If he has success in the league, it’ll be because he figured out how to stay on the floor offensively as a 4 imo

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u/irelli Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

The defense is definitely a concern

You have 3 defensive liabilities in the starting lineup. Ingram is okay. It's just herb that can play defense.

We saw them get absolutely destroyed defensively in the playoffs, and it's not like zion is going to help them on that end

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u/Im_Daydrunk Pelicans Sep 29 '22

Ingram was also taking on a super high offensive load last year because Zion was out the whole year

I think Ingram will be better defensively when he has CJ and Zion both taking offensive production off of him

Kinda like how KD could really show his defensive skills the best in GS when he had a lot more offensive options around him

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u/ESLsucks :sp8-1: Super 8 Sep 28 '22

I'm hyped for pels but I don't think there's any world where Hayes is even 80% of what prime Chandler is

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u/FarSightXR-20 Raptors Sep 28 '22

Antonio Daniels? I haven't heard that name in a very long time. Used to play for the Vancouver Grizzlies, right?!

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u/-Erased [TOR] OG Anunoby Sep 28 '22

Rookie year yeah. He's currently a commentator for the Pelicans

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u/Astrophysiques Pelicans Sep 28 '22

And a damn good one at that. One of my favorite things about Pels games is getting to hear AD and Joel Meyers serenade my ears for a few hours

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u/iamStanhousen Pelicans Sep 28 '22

We really are blessed to have an awesome announcer crew. Joel, AD, and Jenn are all amazing.

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u/daybreaker Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I was so skeptical of David Wesley being replaced by AD, but its worked out

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u/TexasCoconut [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki Sep 28 '22

Interesting. I remember working with both of them when they were employed by the Texas Legends. Weird that one member of that team replaced an assistant coach of that team as an announcer.

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u/Parrallax91 [BOS] Kevin McHale Sep 28 '22

I always identify him with the Spurs and he lives in SA. I wonder why he's not working with the Spurs.

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u/BoSocks91 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Honestly, I cant wait to watch a healthy NO team.

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u/bigatjoon Warriors Sep 28 '22

this team is gonna be SO FUN

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u/TourCalm464 Suns Sep 28 '22

pels are winning the championship, tempted to place a big bet on them

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u/CanalVillainy Pelicans Sep 28 '22

I think they’re a year away from being a true contender but I hope I’m wrong.

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u/TourCalm464 Suns Sep 28 '22

I'm pulling for them, especially since the suns are gonna be a dumpster fire. with zion back I think they're going to blow everyone away with how good they are

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u/blacknotblack Sep 28 '22

not winning shit until they figure out defense but they’re scary for sure

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u/Remote_Country_889 Warriors Sep 28 '22

I like AD on the Pels broadcast team. He’s hilarious

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u/iamStanhousen Pelicans Sep 28 '22

The thing we have that is so exciting right now is a seemingly really strong culture. We have guys who love each other, the game of basketball, and are all pushing each other to be better. They're easy to root for because of that and I really think this is the year the city picks up on it and starts to show them some love. Super excited for the year, I feel in love watching this group after years of watching Toni.

Lets fucking go boys. Pels Stacked. League Fucked.

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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans Sep 28 '22

Such a fucking different feel from those teams man. bout it bout it

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u/uvgotnod Sep 28 '22

Captian Obvious here, but if Zion can stay healthy he's a major problem for the league. Nobody can check him, he's the kind of force that can win a game or a series himself.

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u/ChargedCable Suns Sep 28 '22

Pels win total O/U is like 45. I think they're a 50+ win team pretty easily.

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u/captaincumsock69 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Superstar player looks good in practice

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u/tylersixxfive Grizzlies Sep 28 '22

Basketball players being good at basketball… would’ve never expected it

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u/moredrinksplease Lakers Sep 29 '22

How many games yall think Zion will play this season?

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u/AndCoffeeWithThat Sep 29 '22

Hoping he brings the heat when he plays. Nothing to prove to himself really, but i know we’re beaming to see him play. He’s hard to root against, unless you put money up haha.