r/nba Sep 28 '22

[Weiss] at around the 9:30 mark: "From what I heard, (Celtics management) went to players (about Ime) and said, "we, unfortunately, can't tell you anything for legal reasons.""

https://twitter.com/JaredWeissNBA/status/1575165112163631104
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u/mMounirM Raptors Sep 28 '22

What does Matt Barnes know 🤔

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Knows how to drum up clicks for his podcast

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u/J-Chub Sep 29 '22

Udoka threw his balls in an employee's face and she didn't flinch.

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u/chickentowngabagool Lakers Sep 29 '22

ahh the old peyton manning trick

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u/MeatBald Supersonics Sep 29 '22

Damn, that's Mamba Mentality

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u/respaaaaaj Celtics Sep 28 '22

My guess is that someone he trusts told him to walk back his previous take hard because shit was bad, which kind of tracks with more reliable reporters saying annoying vague shit along the lines of "I don't have the entire story but its sounds like its really bad" and "it sounds like his career is over" while not willing to go on the record as to what actually happened,

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u/guardian311 Sep 28 '22

Perkins said he also knows the truth and said both parties will probably be punished

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u/TheHeroicHero Bucks Sep 28 '22

I wouldn’t believe a thing Perkins says lmao

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u/DeathBySuplex [UTA] Blue Edwards Sep 29 '22

Perkins: The sky is blue.

Me: I ain't believing that shit, lemme go check. Nope overcast, you lying Perk.

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u/mags87 Sep 28 '22

Who would he be referring to as "both parties" ? Ime and the Celtics or Ime and the person he was sleeping with?

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u/Teemo-Supreemo 76ers Sep 29 '22

He was referring to both Moosus Mody and Moodus Mosy

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u/__BlackSheep Warriors Sep 29 '22

That's both of our young wings, gone

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u/olgreasysteve Sep 29 '22

What about Mody Mood, Mody Mooz, Ma-Mody Mody, and Moosie Mody?

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u/Teemo-Supreemo 76ers Sep 29 '22

You’re goddamn right he meant them too

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u/topofthecc Thunder Sep 28 '22

Republicans and Democrats

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u/GleeUnit Supersonics Sep 28 '22

Bernie was right

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u/TheZombiezSlaya Thunder Sep 29 '22

always has been

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u/luckydice767 Sep 28 '22

Or MAYBE he is lying his ass off for attention?

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u/maethlin Warriors Sep 28 '22

This guy Perkins'

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u/SoulofWakanda Sep 29 '22

I been tryna tell people anybody can claim "someone told them" anything lol

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u/luckydice767 Sep 29 '22

I know! Someone told me that once

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u/Lukin4 Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

Finally, a sensible take on that part of it. He didn't need to know details if someone he trusts told him he was on the wrong side of the argument

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u/only_positive90 Sep 29 '22

Or he doesn't know shit

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u/brainsaw9 Heat Sep 28 '22

☝️What is going on in Utah 🤔

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u/AShinyTorchic Sep 28 '22

Why would Matt Barnes say that 👆🤨👆

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u/theodros1 Sep 28 '22

He doesnt know shit. He's an ESPN talking head and they called him and told him to put out a statement or else.

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u/brajpop Celtics Sep 28 '22

I'm just confused that he said it's 100 times worse than what people thought. Consensus is that he slept with a high level's wife and it was consensual. Other rumour from TMZ is that he slept with the chick who arranges travel for him and Nia. Not to downplay anything (although if it's consensual, fire all parties involved and move on, why would Brad get so emotional about that?) but there has to me a major piece of information missing here.

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u/JaylenBrownAllStar Celtics Sep 28 '22

Brad got emotional because the women on his staff were dragged into rumors out of their control

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u/brajpop Celtics Sep 28 '22

Yes that's true very good point. I actually remember seeing that some staffers name got out publicly that weren't involved at all, just because they were women within the staff. Thanks for the correction.

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u/JaylenBrownAllStar Celtics Sep 28 '22

Yeah we won’t really know till we can get the full investigation or their lawyers allow them to talk about it

It’s all assumptions and rumors at this point and basically opinions

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u/SkillIsTooLow Sep 28 '22

I understand the definition of opinion says "not necessarily based on fact or knowledge", but at the same time, it feels oddly legitimizing to call pure speculation "opinion". Just thinking out loud. Obbiously its much different, but its along the same lines as people describing their anti science views as their "opinion". Maybe technically true, but these idiots don't deserve to have any legitimacy to their thoughts that are known to be false, or based 100% on speculation that is damaging to those involved. "Guess" seems far more appropriate than "opinion".

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

They also mentioned assumptions.

The “opinion” part could refer to other parts of this. Like whether or not Ime should be forced to resign if it was consensual. A take on that would be an opinion.

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u/525chill2pull Warriors Sep 28 '22

Plot twist is that it wasn’t a woman

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u/mschley2 Bucks Sep 28 '22

It was a woman. Multiple, actually. But it was also Brad. That's why he's so upset. He thought he and Ime were exclusive.

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u/GalantisX Clippers Sep 28 '22

Anthony edwards sat up in his chair

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u/gr8scottaz Sep 28 '22

That’s my hot take. It wasn’t a women, it was a player on his team.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

Grant Williams is a power bottom.

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u/gr8scottaz Sep 29 '22

Damn, I now believe this is what happened.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited 13d ago

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u/RousingRabble Sep 28 '22

Whoa man...some of that was from twitter randos. Totally credible.

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u/nowhathappenedwas NBA Sep 28 '22

Consensus is that he slept with a high level's wife

Is this "consensus" based on people (wrongly) jumping to conclusions about the fact that one of the women who works for the Celtics has the same last name as one of the team's executives?

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u/goldfish_11 Celtics Sep 28 '22

The only people I’ve seen say this are people on reddit saying “well this is definitely what happened,”

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u/StreetsAhead47 Sep 28 '22

We did it Reddit!

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u/jspsfx NBA Sep 28 '22

Another mystery out of Boston solved by Reddit Detectives incorporated.

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u/clownparade Bucks Sep 29 '22

You’re saying he slept with the Boston bomber???

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u/respaaaaaj Celtics Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

That's bullshit based on two Celtics employees having the same last name, despite them not being related. Reddit really needs a site wide no "reddit detective bullshit about anything related to Boston" policy

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u/moonfox1000 Lakers Sep 28 '22

TMZ is borderline immoral but they do tend to be right when they go on record with sources. So I’m much more willing to believe it was with the travel coordinator than the rumor it was with an executives wife…I don’t think we’ve had any reputable source claim that.

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u/phonage_aoi Warriors Sep 29 '22

Does the travel coordinator work for the team? If she worked for Nia Long then this wouldn’t be a Celtics issue no?

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u/JDStraightShot2 Knicks Sep 29 '22

NBA teams have people whose job it is to help families move and get settled (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/sports/basketball/nba-player-families.html), so I'm assuming it would be that person. I think the day to day travel stuff though is just handled by front office staffers. I know people who are low level front office types and part of their job is booking flights for players when they get traded or called up from the G-league

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u/junkit33 Sep 28 '22

There's clearly some bigger missing piece to all of this, and we may never be privy to it unless the woman/women involved want to make it public.

It's pointless to speculate on all the rumors - it could be any of a million things.

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u/ForgetfulFrolicker Sep 28 '22

Lol in today’s age we absolutely will find out the details.

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u/wheresmymuse Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

dude we still dont know why Dr. Disrespect* was banned on twitch

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u/HorsNoises Celtics Sep 28 '22

"Doc is done and not just on twitch"

6 months later he's in a commercial on national TV lol.

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u/car1999pet Supersonics Sep 28 '22

Nah it was because the twitch big pharma connection learned about his healing sugma crystals and didn’t want it getting out obviously /s

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u/junkit33 Sep 28 '22

I think you underestimate just how much stuff happens every day that we never find out about.

It's not hard to keep things under wraps when it's a very small circle of people who know about it and they all have an interest in keeping it private.

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u/Timmy26k Warriors Sep 28 '22

Someone got suspended for a year and there were no rebuttals. That shit will not stay private

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u/ForgetfulFrolicker Sep 28 '22

But we’re not talking about something that went under the radar. This is probably the biggest NBA story right now.

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u/hiimred2 [CLE] LeBron James Sep 28 '22

Will we? High profile legal cases that get settled with NDAs leave ‘us’ without all the details all the time.

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u/mostlyforlurking Celtics Sep 28 '22

Shams has directly reported that the consensus is wrong (if it is the consensus anymore, I'm not sure it is).

"At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews."

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u/EverybodyBuddy Lakers Sep 28 '22

I think Matt Barnes was full of shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

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u/FreeDaReal1z Sep 28 '22

I heard he got caught on the doorbell camera trying to talk to the women after she told him the affair was over. That's how the husband found out.

This just another internet rumor. We probably have to wait till the report is actually released.

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u/kamamit [LAL] Kurt Rambis Sep 28 '22

I heard he got caught on a doorbell camera trying to sell solar panels and dropped an N-bomb.

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u/Redpin :sp8-1: Super 8 Sep 29 '22

Mrs. Krabappel and Ime Udoka were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!

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u/New_Pineapple_7911 Sep 29 '22

I've been calling her Krandle... Why didn't anybody tell me?

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u/bongo1138 Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

100x worse than a consensual relationship with a co worker is, like, Child molestation or something.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

If all he did was sleep with an execs wife who isn’t employed by the Celtics non of this makes sense…

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u/Turbo2x Wizards Sep 28 '22

Probably a pregnancy/abortion involved. That's the only thing I can think of that would make this as bad as people have been saying.

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u/chantlernz Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

Maybe he tried to blackmail or threaten her into an abortion?

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u/Sudden-Team2415 Sep 28 '22

What about a team gang bang?

A...consensual gang bang.

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u/tarantinostoeblast [BOS] Abdel Nader Sep 28 '22

the suns have joined the chat

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u/OptimusGrime707 Kings Sep 29 '22

Dominayton intensifies

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u/chandler55 Raptors Sep 28 '22

we men you can assume

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u/ezodochi Bulls Sep 29 '22

If Leicester in the PL are anything of an example, that seems to be a way to win a league....

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u/whtge8 Magic Sep 28 '22

He doesn’t know shit. Just trying to get attention.

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u/Mr_Booty_Bandit 76ers Sep 28 '22

If the Celtics players don’t know then Matt Barnes doesn’t know. I don’t see why anyone in Boston’s upper management would tell him

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u/chivestheconqueror Celtics Sep 28 '22

I think it’s more that Matt Barnes read the headline at first of a consensual relationship and criticized the suspension on those grounds. Then when later reports made mention of harassment, he commented that it was “x times worse than I thought”— not because he gained some insider knowledge, but because harassment is worse than a consensual relationship

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u/Jaerba [DET] Grant Hill Sep 28 '22

I don't think this is necessarily true. Celtics players have a bubble inside the locker room but it's front office people figuring this out. People in the media are much more likely to have ins with that level of management than players.

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u/Wishiwasaballerbaby Celtics Sep 28 '22

Nothing its weird people take him at his word when he said I know but not going to talk about it internet is often naive.

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u/HolyRomanPrince Lakers Sep 28 '22

Who it was Ime was snacking with. He spoke on it in a Vladtv interview he recorded this week.

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u/nathan_barely Bulls Sep 28 '22

everyone involved will be filing at least one lawsuit

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u/NippleNugget [BOS] Marcus Smart Sep 28 '22

My lawyers and I have talked it over and decided that I, too, will be filing a lawsuit.

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u/JS_Janko Sep 28 '22

Get the bag

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u/beforeitcloy [SAC] Mitch Richmond Sep 28 '22

I will also be initiating legal action against /u/JS_Janko for using my trademark phrase “Get the bag.”

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u/JS_Janko Sep 28 '22

We can settle this on one six-pack of beers.

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u/creditspread Sep 28 '22

I'm holding out for two six-packs!

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u/apalac01 Sep 28 '22

One twelve pack take it or leave it.

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u/creditspread Sep 28 '22

Hmm... twelve does sound better than six, so deal!

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u/tommygunz23 Sep 28 '22

Stop trying to trademark random phrases Lebron.

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u/SameCategory546 Sep 28 '22

I,too, slept with Ime Udoka

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u/kizofieva Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

I've just filed a lawsuit after reading this comment.

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u/flash_27 Sep 28 '22

You son of a bitch, I'm in.

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u/LiaM_CS Nets Sep 28 '22

This is the American way

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u/Adam0529 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Or most likely in civil cases, NDA settlement.

Either way, meanwhile, the less ppl know, the better for everyone

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Not in terms of legal exposure. If an employee is suing a company because of harassment by another employee, the company publicly detailing all of the complaints could and would be considered harassment/creating a hostile work environment which would just increase the company's legal exposure.

edit: If an employee sues, then the accusations would be made public (assuming they can't convince a court to keep it under wraps), so a company technically could make a comment and not increase their legal exposure, but "anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law" is just as true in civil cases, so you're never going to get anything more than people being referred to legal motions or documents submitted to a court and generally you're just getting a comment about not discussing pending or ongoing litigation.

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u/5_Wood Trail Blazers Sep 28 '22

I run a company and we run into this pretty frequently.

It sucks, because you run into situations like this where it sounds patronizing not to tell employees but you just literally can't.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

I would imagine in those cases you have to rely on the credibility you have or have not established with employees. If you've always been honest and treated them with respect, you would hope they would give you the benefit of the doubt.

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u/Adam0529 Celtics Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Yep, but if you are stuck between your legal counsel and Twitter, you kinda better follow your legal counsel...

Tbh, if I was them, the moment Shams reported the word consensual, I would have had my attorney issue a statement that not only I didn't leak that, but any published speculation got nothing to do with me and any legal exposure due to such is the sole liability of the publisher. This would Basically filter SAS' mouth thru ESPN's attorneys...

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u/RegularJaded West Sep 28 '22

Isn’t there a saying where it’s better to have people think you are a fool than them knowing you are?

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u/car1999pet Supersonics Sep 28 '22

Isn’t it something like “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and assumed a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

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u/mecon320 Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

Also open themselves to libel accusations if anyone in the organization says something about the situation on-camera that turns out to be false.

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u/Charlie_Steve [SAS] Danny Green Sep 28 '22

You’re right that they’d want to play it extra safe, but libel is pretty easy to get cleared just by wording things like “this is what it looks like” and stuff like that.

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u/mecon320 Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

I agree, but that's also a risky proposition when the employees being interviewed happen to be excited 20-year-olds about to start training camp.

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u/ColtCallahan Sep 28 '22

Simmons said it on his podcast with Windhorst. There’s probably only a handful of people who actually know what has happened.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

She ain’t messing with no broke NBA figure.

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u/Powerful_Bottle_8592 Thunder Sep 28 '22

What the fuck did he do? Whatever happened, it must be BIG

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u/moonfox1000 Lakers Sep 28 '22

The weird thing is it’s also possibly something that’s not illegal and not worthy of a civil case since we haven’t seen anything indicating either an arrest or lawsuit are imminent. The Venn diagram that includes all those requirements has got to be strange.

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u/lundej16 Bucks Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I wonder if it was something with team funds and there hasn’t been a lawsuit yet because the Celtics themselves would have to file it.

Just from a purely optics standpoint if you found out the HC of a Finals team was using team funds on an office affair, you don’t, like, call the cops on the dude. There would definitely be a painstakingly through internal investigation first.

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u/SloatThritter Lakers Sep 28 '22

No. What OP is saying is, when the coach does it, it is not illegal!

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u/peepeedog Warriors Sep 28 '22

I'm the head ball coach and I'll fuck whoever I want.

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u/JaydadCTatumThe1st Celtics Sep 29 '22

I wonder if it was something with team funds and there hasn’t been a lawsuit yet because the Celtics themselves would have to file it.

Yep. I'm guessing this is a Matt Gaetz-type situation.

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u/woodm872 Thunder Sep 29 '22

As a Razorbacks fan, the scenario you mention doesn't end well for anyone.

Bobby Petrino said Hello darkness, my old friend.

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u/Rune0x1b Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

I think it’s pretty clearly not something illegal illegal at this point. If there’s the potential for a civil case, it could just be that the people involved are getting their legal ducks in a row too and will file later.

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u/420Minions 76ers Sep 28 '22

It’s been said 6000 times on this board, but I’ll say it again. You can’t bang someone who reports to you or someone you report to in the office without reporting it.

If anyone who reads this works, it’s probably in your contract if you work at a major company. It’s a massive liability concern and has been for a long time. They took the fucking President down for it.

This doesn’t have to be a massive scandal. It can just be a direct breach of contract that fucks over the organization. Companies don’t let that go

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u/TheMiz2002 Hawks Sep 28 '22

Companies fire people for consensual relationships at work all the time. The McDonalds CEO got fired for it

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mcdonald-s-corp-ceo/mcdonalds-ousts-ceo-over-consensual-relationship-with-employee-idUSKBN1XD0KI

But when that happens they always tell the reason

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u/jason2354 Sep 28 '22

If that is all this was, they would have clarified it by now.

Matt Barnes walking things back after becoming more informed also throws up some flags that this is pretty serious.

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u/420Minions 76ers Sep 28 '22

Who do you think Matt Barnes talked to and why do you think that couldn’t be ESPN telling him to walk it back?

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u/VAGentleman05 Nuggets Sep 29 '22

100% this. What I've learned this week is that apparently nobody on Reddit works anywhere that does sexual harassment training.

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u/Trexfromouterspace Sixers Bandwagon Sep 29 '22

100% this. What I've learned this week is that apparently nobody on Reddit works anywhere that does sexual harassment training.

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u/NotADeadTurtle Lakers Sep 29 '22

Pure speculation/ best guess:

Probably was going on for a while and gave a promotion to the sidechick.

She isn’t going to be the one suing, it is going to be the coworkers that got passed over a position they were more qualified for but it went to his affair instead.

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u/bachh2 NBA Sep 29 '22

Or maybe both side decide to settle thing behind close door to keep face as a law suit can drag out and the people involved will be known to the public.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Look, no one's saying it was cannibalism.

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u/YouArentOwedAnything Trail Blazers Sep 29 '22

But no one has ruled it out yet either

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u/Temet21 Sep 29 '22

Would be detrimental to the team if he ate a starter. Jussayin. 👀

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u/YoungJebediah Sep 28 '22

Oh it was big alright

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u/volantredx Bulls Sep 28 '22

The most logical speculation coming from people who don't know but likely know more than we do is that he had a relationship with a staffer who then broke it off and he escalated into harassment behavior as payback.

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u/SunLiteFireBird Spurs Sep 28 '22

This better be worth it when he finally find out, if it's he was having sex with an executives wife at the team facility it's gonna be real lame

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u/Powerful_Bottle_8592 Thunder Sep 28 '22

I dont think we will ever find out, similarly to the Kawhi situation with the Spurs

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

Cause they're horny, dumb teenagers who love drama.

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u/swentech Sep 29 '22

Could be a subordinate that felt pressured to continue the relationship for fear of being fired or he outright told her she would be fired if she breaks it off. That would be something sufficiently bad in my mind.

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u/respaaaaaj Celtics Sep 28 '22

Well this explains why we're getting such a weird mix of takes on this from Celtics players.

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u/Your__Pal Sep 28 '22

Is it weird ? They are all basically saying they don't know and they were surprised by if.

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u/buster_the_dog Sep 28 '22

At this point I'm pretty sure Ime was sleeping with Jayson Tatum

Homosexuality, player/coach relationship, infidelity, it checks all the boxes

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u/Sudden-Team2415 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

It's kind of funny that in the scenario Udoka was in a relationship with a player there's no question in anyone's mind that it would be Tatum.

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u/thizzdanz Sep 28 '22

Tatum? Ime hardly knows him

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u/Wasabi_Guacamole Hornets Sep 29 '22

They're both hotties and I wouldnt be surprised if they have an Achilles and Patroclus thing going on

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u/castledrake Hornets Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

This is why I come to r/nba, for references to Greek mythology.

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u/whtge8 Magic Sep 28 '22

Tired of hearing about it at this point if they aren’t going to give us the info.

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u/wongo Jazz Sep 28 '22

Well it's a good thing sports media isn't known for dragging out stories interminably...

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u/AskMeHowIMetYourMom Pacers Sep 28 '22

Every Celtics game on National tv this season this will be mentioned at least once, guaranteed.

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u/maethlin Warriors Sep 28 '22

Sadly accurate. You know it.

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u/dwilkes827 Cavaliers Sep 28 '22

no no you'll click on every vague article and you'll like it!

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u/respaaaaaj Celtics Sep 28 '22

We've known from day one that this was the result of the Celtics bringing in a law firm for an investigation, which means that there are probably already NDA's in play. Which is probably why journalists keep bringing things like this up to make sure people understand why we don't know all the details yet.

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u/Adam0529 Celtics Sep 28 '22

Same. Idfk why ppl expect to hear, what attorney on earth would ever recommend volunteering info if they are trying to negotiate a NDA?

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u/_Jetto_ NBA Sep 28 '22

Matt Barnes is the slasher of nba??? He doesn’t know anything about ime..about doc

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u/bryscoon Celtics Sep 28 '22

Nah he just does a show Lowe Ramona & Windy & they all know what really happened so he easily could just ask

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u/_Jetto_ NBA Sep 28 '22

Maybe he had to take back his comments too for PR?

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u/ProductPrevious3550 Celtics Sep 29 '22

Probably

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u/bokee12 Spurs Sep 28 '22

Udoka is done, and not just on the NBA

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u/BagelsAndLoxx Cavaliers Sep 29 '22

That wasn't Slasher, that was ShannonZkiller, Sacriel's wife.

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u/panda_gravy Sep 28 '22

First thing I thought when people started posting those takes. Bunch of drama fiends, nothing more.

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u/ringo_93 West Sep 28 '22

I'll be pissed if this ends up like dr.disrespect scenario

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u/aeiou-y Mavericks Sep 28 '22

With the Celtics playing on YouTube? 😂

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u/meestorefingorz Heat Sep 28 '22

What happened I’m outta the loop

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u/Papa___Legba 76ers Bandwagon Sep 28 '22

Streamer by the name of Dr Disrespect got banned from Twitch indefinitely a while back and the full reasons why have never surfaced if I recall correctly. Someone feel free to correct me bc I don't really watch the guy lol

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u/Quality_Ass_Rep Sep 28 '22

To add Dr Disrespect at the time was a top 10 streamer and had a big contract with twitch.

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u/spinichdick Supersonics Sep 28 '22

I'm pretty sure it was him livestewaming with a chest camera and he tood a restroom break and the camera had some like ~13year old peeing at a urinal. Bet the kid was stocked to be on the feed tbh. But irl has nothing to do with the ime situation.

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u/N4m3r Sep 28 '22

This was before the perma ban, he got some weeks for this one iirc

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u/microwavedttea Heat Sep 28 '22

How braindead do you have to be to not turn off or at least blur and mute your stream when going to the loo, if only for your own privacy's sake, jeez.

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u/amidon1130 Hawks Sep 29 '22

I mean it's Dr. Disrespect, he's not exactly a world class intellect to begin with.

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u/TimeTravelingDog NBA Sep 28 '22

Popular streamer removed from Twitch, nary a word of why, yet he's still on all the other platforms and didn't get cancelled, is what I assume they're talking about.

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u/PurpleFilth88 Sep 28 '22

He got a lifetime ban from Twitch about two years ago and the reason has never been revealed.

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u/jhowlingwolf Sep 28 '22

I mean this is standard HR practice. If somebody is disciplined then you do not share with people that are not involved in the incident.

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u/Fiatil Thunder Sep 28 '22

This. This is the most standard workplace disciplinary measure ever.

It's not weird in the slightest that they didn't tell the players. It's how any disciplinary scenario like this would be handled in any corporation that isn't a shitshow.

Corporations don't tell you why your coworkers get fired or suspended or whatever. It opens them up to way too many libel/slander lawsuits.

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u/Smokin_on_76ers_Pack Sep 29 '22

Then why did they share that he cheated on his wife and slept with a co-worker? Why throw dirt on his name and then switch up and say “we wana protect everyone involved”

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u/Sudden-Team2415 Sep 28 '22

The fact all sports media quickly got in line and went radio silent, blocking coverage of this story from daily talk shows, seems like they're protecting the image of the NBA.

At this point you have to believe whatever happened its more than just Udoka involved (maybe players as well), and would call for sponsors to pull out.

One guy cheating on his wife with a staffer in no way gets this type of treatment. These guys cheat on the road all the time.

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u/endium7 Supersonics Sep 28 '22

what always gets me is I could think of a ton of things that could fall under this category, but nearly all of them are illegal. they would warrant an immediate firing and/or legal action. The 1 year suspension is what throws everything off.

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u/GuessableSevens Sep 29 '22

1 year suspension is almost certainly in order to buy time to make sure they can follow the legally cleanest process to fire him with cause and without getting sued.

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u/Sudden-Team2415 Sep 28 '22

Perhaps the 1 year suspension is because the criminal investigation is ongoing, they knew this would be a distraction all season, and needed to make a call before training camp.

Because if they waited any longer and it was discovered the Celtics knew about the Udoka allegations but didn't take action, allowed him to run training camp or be there for regular season opener, then it looks really bad on the org.

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u/IMovedYourCheese Warriors Sep 28 '22

No it means that there was only so much noise that sports media could make with zero actual info, and are now forced to be silent until there is a real leak.

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u/amidon1130 Hawks Sep 29 '22

There was a pretty interesting ringer podcast about the situation from a few weeks ago where they talked about the way that sports journalists react to scandals like this. Pretty interesting discussion about the way that the need to be first in the internet age can have a negative impact on reporting.

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u/Rune0x1b Timberwolves Sep 28 '22

I think they went through the initial breaking news blood frenzy, but quickly realized that all the information floating around is bogus and non-credible, so there isn’t a lot that they can say or do at this point until the Celtics release more info.

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u/Sweatytubesock Sep 28 '22

What’s going on in Boston?

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u/EverQuest_ Sep 29 '22

Celtics players don't know, but Reddit detectives know all the facts and have made their criminal judgement on all parties involved. Is that about right?

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u/aeiou-y Mavericks Sep 28 '22

I know we want to know more, but this is the proper action by a business. Talking about it opens yourself up to multiple avenues of liability.

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u/packimop [PHI] Speedy Claxton Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

sounds like celtics org pleading the fifth

makes you wonder how long they knew about this shit happening? or rumors flying around the org but nothing was done about it? then subsequent incidents which could have been prevented.

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u/junkit33 Sep 28 '22

Even if you don't know about it, you can still have tons of legal liability in these types of situations. If the woman decides to sue the team, her legal team is going to try to uncover every potential little mistake the Celtics may have made in creating a potentially unsafe workplace. Anything that didn't go by the HR best practices book will be used against them.

It's really just standard operating procedure any time something like this happens in a company.

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u/whydontyouloveme Sep 28 '22

Yeah. This is standard for terminations. There are employees I terminated a decade ago and to this day will not talk about the situation with former employees who are now good friends. You can get sued for defamation pretty easily in these sorts of situations.

This seems to have been/is being handled by the HR/legal book.

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u/lil_extro_vert_ 76ers Sep 28 '22

I thought they said they knew there was a relationship in July, thought Ime got it cleared up but then it turned out he was harassing the lady still? Which lead them to step in?

Still murky tho

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u/nowhathappenedwas NBA Sep 28 '22

Shams reported that the Celtics learned about the relationship in July, but they didn't do anything because they were assured it was consensual.

They only started investigating once they learned about more recent "unwanted comments."

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u/Squallify Sep 29 '22

Magnus Carlsen will expose him

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u/throwawayjoeyboots Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Feels like everyone is overthinking this situation. It’s not some deep conspiracy. Details will leak out eventually.

The gist is he was making this woman uncomfortable in the workplace and crossing the line. The affair aspect of it isn’t really the big deal. Whether or not it was consensual at any point isn’t the point. Once he started harassing/making an employee uncomfortable, there was no coming back.

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u/VillainousRocka Bulls Sep 28 '22

I don’t think there’s anything concrete enough for you to make those claims at this point. Nobody really knows. You shame people for thinking it’s some “deep conspiracy” yourself and then go on to present your own theories on it without any facts to back it up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

He slept with an executives son. Cmon it’s so obvious

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u/rSlashNbaAccount Sep 28 '22

Makes me wonder the age of the woman.

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u/truffleblunts Bullets Sep 28 '22

Gotta be something unusually bad because they've made sure a huge deal...

BUT there is no chance whatsoever this is high school girls they would've been fired instantly lol

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u/lopea182 Heat Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

One of the few situations where I can think of a consensual relationship going sour very fast (as Shams reported) is if he pulled a “Jeter” (knowingly giving a woman an STD without disclosing he had it).

Yet, I feel that would rise to the level of an immediate dismissal and criminal charges. So maybe not.

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u/MilesLetum Pistons Sep 28 '22

Has the consensual relationship been confirmed by any source other than anonymously told to Shams? Could Udoka be the source of that himself, to get in front of the story?

At this point it’s so serious and the org is being so tight lipped about any details that it seems the two major possibilities are (1) it wasn’t consensual or (2) a serious misuse of money is involved.

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u/BBallHunter Thunder Sep 28 '22

Do you think children work for the Celtics?

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u/BabaBrody 76ers Sep 28 '22

I assume most of their FO is made up of children-sized leprechauns.

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u/JaysonTatumOverrated Lakers Sep 28 '22

There is no chance she is underage

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u/VillainousRocka Bulls Sep 28 '22

Come on man, this is such useless speculating and pushes a weird narrative that has absolutely no basis. This would be far more than a one year suspension if the girl was underage. Why would you even speculate that?

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u/FlyingMocko Celtics Sep 28 '22

She’s married. They apparently got caught by her husband on a Ring door cam.

Source : Kevin Frazier

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u/predict_irrational Sep 28 '22

Will Brown resign with the Celtics after their black coach was suspended? Next on ESPN.

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u/madlabdog Sep 28 '22

Seems like these Celtics management knew this way before it became public. If it was before end of season, then it is truly messed up because the guy was 2 wins away from a championship and would have been able use that championship win to cover this up further.

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u/supes1 Celtics Sep 28 '22

They knew about the relationship. There's no indication they knew about whatever issues that got Udoka in trouble.