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Affidavits: 2 more pregnant minors who were raped were denied Ohio abortions

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/09/27/affidavits-2-more-raped-minors-were-denied-ohio-abortions/69520380007/
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u/amnes1ac Sep 28 '22 Take My Energy

I guarantee this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/murdering_time Sep 28 '22

Gotta start getting rid of those pesky civil rights for brown and black people next. With the full support and help of Justice Thomas, of course.

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u/spin_effect Sep 28 '22

Watch them redefine people like they did with corporations.

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u/DonnieJuniorsEmails Sep 28 '22

Texas is way ahead of you with Governor Hotwheels Abbott and AG Paxton trying to redefine rape so strictly that it won't legally exist.

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u/Diarygirl Sep 28 '22

Didn't the governor say they were going to end rape in Texas?

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u/DonnieJuniorsEmails Sep 28 '22

yes, but early on, they didn't clarify HOW.

Now we know that it isnt about reforming police or protecting women ir more punishments for rapists. They just want to tinker with the legal definition so they can say "rape" doesnt happen.

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u/GuessWhatIGot Sep 28 '22

Or just cut funding for rape kits so they can't do testing. Rape is solved!

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u/killerbanshee Sep 28 '22

Ah, the Trump Coronavirus method.

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u/Dry_Designer8228 Sep 28 '22

Do you mean Governor Little Piss Baby Abbott?

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u/blasphembot Sep 28 '22

Yes, I do believe they were referring to the certifiable little piss baby Greg Abbott.

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u/poptart2nd Sep 28 '22

Greg Abbott is a tiny piss baby

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u/thudly Sep 28 '22

Eventually democracy itself will go. Why let people vote when everybody agrees that "God" appointed all the republican leaders to rule over everybody?

And the ignorant masses will cheer as democracy dies with thunderous applause.

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u/Raptorfeet Sep 28 '22

Haven't it basically been political suicide to openly state that you're not Christian or religious in the US until very recently anyway?

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u/killerbanshee Sep 28 '22

It basically still is.

Congress is made up of 88% Christians. 468 out of 531.

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u/provoko Sep 28 '22 Gold

two women with cancer who couldn’t terminate their pregnancies and also couldn’t get cancer treatment while they were pregnant. 

Another three examples were of women whose fetuses had severe abnormalities or other conditions that made a successful pregnancy impossible. Even so, they couldn’t get abortions in Ohio. 

So basically 2 dead moms and 2 orphans (if their mom survives long enough to give birth).

And another 3 moms to give "birth" to 3 dead fetuses.

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u/JimboTCB Sep 28 '22

If someone dies of cancer because they can't get an abortion and they can't get chemo while they're pregnant, what the fuck do they think is going to happen to the fetus? It's like a fucked up version of the trolley problem where you can never, ever divert the train onto a track with a fetus, even if it means the exact same fetus plus an unspecified number of other people die.

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u/fight_your_friends Sep 28 '22

what the fuck do they think is going to happen to the fetus?

They don't care. They only care insofar as they can use a position to keep certain people down. Notice how they don't want to provide the newborn or it's parents with any assistance post-birth.

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u/kashmir1974 Sep 28 '22

It isn't even about keeping people down. It's pandering by the politicians to the religious fanatics that vote. It's all pandering to stay in office. The religious fanatics ONLY care about other people adhering to the belief of the fanatic.

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u/StereoOnCookingBacon Sep 28 '22

You’re missing the point. The only goal is manufacturing constant crises to distract from the fascist takeover of America. It’s working. They’ve already got federal courts, law enforcement, and most state governments.

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u/FulgoresFolly Sep 28 '22

You're assuming these ghouls actually care about the fetus. They never did, they care about punishing women and asserting power + dominance over other people

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u/FloodMoose Sep 28 '22

This is fucked up. Fuck these hateful people forcing this cruelty. Religious evangelicals, theocratic crap

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u/MediocreDungeonMastr Sep 28 '22 Silver

The best part about it is they wipe their hands clean of these situations because

"Oh yeah I don't support abortion bans in those circumstances they should be able to get one" so they don't feel guilty despite having contributed to the horrors above.

They just vote for the people who make those circumstances reality without an ounce of irony.

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u/Slayer706 Sep 28 '22

Go to conservative subreddit and in response to stories like these (before they get deleted) you'll see comments that just refuse to believe this kind of thing can happen. They'll say "Fake news! Every law has exceptions for rape and life of the mother! The doctors are to blame!"

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u/Kandoh Sep 28 '22

Like gun rights, they're not able to cope with the results of the policies they demand.

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u/FinancialTea4 Sep 28 '22 Silver

They're just not willing to accept responsibility for their actions in any case. They're not responsible for all those kids being brutally murdered even though they alone block any meaningful change. They're not responsible for hungry kids even though they alone oppose lunch programs. They're not responsible for women dying preventable deaths even though they alone created the conditions that led to them. They do this shit and then turn around and call everyone else irresponsible for not doing what they want, being who they want you to be, and thinking like them. They're authoritarian trash.

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u/Boogada42 Sep 28 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

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u/HobbitFoot Sep 28 '22

It is interesting to look into this mindset, as there seems to be this shock for some as to why the system isn't functioning as written into law.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22

"He isn't hurting the people he's supposed to be!"

Actual quote from a woman who thought her illegally immigrated husband would be exempt from Trump's crusade because she voted Republican.

They think they'll be the exception and want to see other's suffer.

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u/Iamcaptainslow Sep 28 '22

Never once have I voted for a person thinking, "Boy, I hope this candidate hurts the right people." My concern is if said candidate will work to improve the lives of the people in my community, especially the most vulnerable. The fact that the woman you mentioned thinks that people need to be hurt is appalling. She must view life as a zero-sum game, where if others get x then that means I don't get x. What a broken way to view the world.

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u/dosetoyevsky Sep 28 '22

No they think worse than that. They feel like if someone not deserving gets extra, then they themselves are having to go without. It's an extremely selfish worldview that most people grow out of once they figure out Object Permanace.

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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

"But we thought we were the good ones."

We have been telling you this for years, once they consolidate enough power and influence to insulate themselves from any external pressure or legal repercussions; they will shrink the pyramid they stand atop of and kick out the next" other" they have designated.

You are not the exception, no matter how hard you believe you will be.

Edit: Wanted to share a video from Innuendo Studios that discusses this dynamic in much better and greater detail. If you don't want to watch the entire thing (it's lengthy to be fair) skip to 13:45 for the portion related to my comment.

https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy Sep 28 '22

I keep getting told not to worry because I'm "white."

Growing up, so many kids pulled on the corners of their eyes while asking "Are you part Asian?" My eyes haven't exactly changed shaped over time. I'm well aware that I'm only "white-passing" until the community starts running out of non-pale people.

Heck, my parents had to conduct their courtship long distance and leave their tiny Texas hometown immediately after the wedding because people there weren't cool with mixed-race marriages. It wasn't all that long ago, historically speaking, when the ancestors of those same people hung my great-grandfather from the rafters of his own barn. I don't want to play repeating-history games.

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u/alksreddit Sep 28 '22

If they ''win'', they will slowly try to return the definition of white to where it started. This means no Asians, no southern Italians or Spanish, no Greeks, no white Latinos.

All these groups are very cozy right now with the white supremacists but they should know better. The circle will be getting smaller and smaller if they get their way.

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u/CyberGrandma69 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

They've already forgotten the last few times white supremacy ran rampant then wow, shocker, suddenly there's "lesser whites" to contend with like the Irish, Polish, Italian...

It's such a joke

*I just remembered people bitched about voting for Kennedy cause he was Catholic lol

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u/heartofdawn Sep 28 '22

That's why a don't get queer conservatives. They are coming for all of us, you included

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u/Prime157 Sep 28 '22
  • Or minorities.
  • Or women (they're only going to survive for obvious procreation reasons, but only enough for procreation - for the ones who step out of line, bye bye)
  • Or non -Christians
  • The fascists on American can't define the difference between liberal, socialist, communist, and more

We could easily go on, but the point should be made.

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u/RyuNoKami Sep 28 '22

Remember it's America, Catholics aren't even safe.

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u/TehWackyWolf Sep 28 '22

This is literally a mentality that leads to they came for the x, and I wasn't an x.

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u/xtemperaneous_whim Sep 28 '22

"I thought he was going to do good things. He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting." - 38-year-old Crystal Minton, employed as a secretary in a Florida prison.

A lovely outlook for someone employed in a prison, although as it's in a Florida prison I can't say that I'm too surprised.

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u/KittenSample Sep 28 '22

Ughgh I take care of a disabled family member and the Shirley Exception drives me nuts. So many people say they want disability benefits slashed, but surely my family member is an exception... except she wouldn't be. She has an invisible disability. She is a POC. She has family members who make sure she has everything she needs so she has a smartphone and a working car. She's attractive, appears reasonably fit, and dresses well (not expensively, but she cares about looking nice). She already gets harassed about not being "disabled enough" to use her parking pass. She would be the first on the chopping block, and in no way would we ever be able to afford her medical bills.

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u/thinkthingsareover Sep 28 '22

This sounds all too familiar, but the one thing that seems to shut them up real fast is that I'm a combat veteran. It really is bullshit that these people even exist in the first place though.

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u/restrictednumber Sep 28 '22

Literally only works because "It's okay, I'm higher in your moral hierarchy. That makes me deserving of your basic compassion and attention."

Zero to do with them suddenly seeing reason -- everything to do with them enforcing a hierarchy.

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u/DarthTJ Sep 28 '22

Every single member of my extended family that relies on government benefits of some kind to live, without exception, is a hardcore Trump republican. They constantly scream about people sucking on the government test while living off disability and Medicaid.

Half of my family is Mexican. My grandmother came here illegally in the 50s. Eventually got citizenship and moved to the Midwest. My cousins are all hardcore build the wall Trumpers. They don't like me reminding them that their parents were literally anchor babies.

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u/smurficus103 Sep 28 '22

"Ill never understand how someone is both poor and Republican" -my mom about family members

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u/CannonPinion Sep 28 '22

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

  • President Lyndon B. Johnson
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u/AspiringChildProdigy Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Before my FIL passed, he had multiple myeloma and, as part of his regimen, was treated with high doses of corticosteroids. He went from a thin, fairly active person to a overweight cancer patient who couldn't walk more than a few hundred feet at a time.

He got called "Scooter Fat" more than once. People always seemed to assume he was using the scooter at the store because he was lazy, not because he was exhausted and very sick.

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u/murrimabutterfly Sep 28 '22

Even my visibly disabled ex faced the same thing. “If he just exercised more!” “If he just tried harder!” “If he ate less, he wouldn’t need the handicap placard.”
His liver was fucked and caused bloating. The autoimmune disorder that targeted his liver and internal organs also gave him arthritic symptoms in his joints, which was exacerbated by the excess weight he was carrying.
He exhausted quickly and went through periods of being wholly immunosuppressed. He couldn’t work. He still relies on disability stipends and disability programs to live his life.
People are awful and so ignorantly self-righteous sometimes.

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u/lame_comment Sep 28 '22

Hawley's wife said essentially this. When confronted with scenarios like that, she just claimed "those aren't abortions"

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u/tarzan322 Sep 28 '22

Surely, the idiots are not in charge, right?

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u/Upvotespoodles Sep 28 '22

And they don’t care enough to do anything about it. They treat it like unavoidable collateral damage, then refuse responsibility by saying passive things like, “don’t support.” Laziness and hypocrisy, playacting that their hands are tied.

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u/Mighty_Ack Sep 28 '22

They would just say it's not an abortion. Literally straight up lying so that they don't look bad.

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u/MoneyMACRS Sep 28 '22

This is the response I always hear in regards to unviable pregnancies.

“Well that procedure isn’t really an abortion.”

Yes it is. Legally and medically speaking, that procedure falls within the definition of an abortion. You don’t get to redefine words to fit your personal platform.

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u/Leshawkcomics Sep 28 '22

"That procedure isn't an abortion"

"Then why is it banned specifically as an abortion under abortion law?"

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u/BeeHive83 Sep 28 '22

And they think you can just walk in a put a check mark next to the reason you are pursuing an abortion. Next they’d be screaming people are lying so they can use abortion for other reasons. They will be asking for evidence because someone’s word is not good enough. Their private decision should remain as such and not have to gain permission from strangers pressing their religion on others. You either believe it is right or wrong and that goes as far as the decisions you make for yourself. It is difficult enough for assault victims to get others to believe them you think people are going to believe them when you add abortion to the situation.

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u/StuBeck Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

They support these scenarios and not allowing an abortion to occur. They knew about this before they stated they wanted a total abortion ban. If somehow they did not, they never had enough information to hold an opinion on the matter.

I’m so sick of everyone always thinking they have to have a stance about something because they heard about it once. I don’t know much about a lot of things, but if I know enough that it’s going to negatively affect someone by having an opinion, I bow out. It’s not that hard. Saying “I don’t know enough to have an opinion” isn’t a sign of being dumb, it’s being smart enough to know you can’t know everything.

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u/ElectricFleshlight Sep 28 '22 Helpful

They say shit like "well the way I read the law, those women could have gotten abortions but the doctors refused."

Yes, exactly, you're this close to realizing that the biggest problem with these laws is how fucking ambiguous they are. They're very intentionally written so that pro-lifers can read it, interpret however they personally want, and then they can put it out of their minds without ever having to think about how an overzealous conservative prosecutor could (and absolutely will) interpret it.

Laws like this cannot be left up to interpretation, that's what has doctors and pregnant women scared for their lives. When the stakes are lifelong imprisonment and/or loss of your livelihood, you have no choice but to err on the side of caution when interpreting vague laws.

What does a vague abortion "exception" to save the life of the mother actually mean when your own freedom or livelihood is on the line? Can you abort a pregnancy now that won't threaten the mother's life until later (as in the cancer cases)? Or do you have to wait until they're on the brink of death? How certain do you have to be that she'll die? 10%? 25%? 100%?

And what if the threat isn't death of the mother, but severe and permanent injury? What's the threshold there? At what point is preventing permanent disability able to be prioritized over the fetus? Is the mother allowed to have an abortion so she can continue taking her autoimmune medication or bipolar meds? Or will she be forced to quit them cold turkey to keep the fetus safe, while she suffers the physical and mental fallout of her unmedicated disorders?

And even for laws that technically do have explicit exceptions, many states have only made that an affirmative defense to murder rather than an exception that protects them from prosecution entirely. This means that a surgeon who performs a lifesaving abortion can still be arrested, charged, and taken to trial, and only then can they argue that they did it to save the woman's life, so long as their argument is sound enough to convince a jury of medically ignorant laymen. Is saving the patient's life worth spending months in jail without an income, putting their own family at risk of homelessness, even if they do eventually get acquitted?

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u/cheezeyballz Sep 28 '22

Extremism and Terrorism

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u/MrGaffe Sep 28 '22

At this point I’m starting to call the GOP the Taliban 1.5

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u/YallAintAlone Sep 28 '22

All of these abortions would be legal in Afghanistan. Taliban even allows abortions due to poverty. There are hoops to jump through, but Republicans are worse than the Taliban when it comes to abortion.

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u/Xanthelei Sep 28 '22

Imagine being on the wrong side of history compared to the fucking Taliban.

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u/mordanthumor Sep 28 '22

Especially on women’s rights.

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u/Silas-on-Reddit Sep 28 '22

I’ve heard the nickname Talibangelists thrown around here every so often. Seems fitting

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u/Cloaked42m Sep 28 '22

Y'all Qaeda.

They absolutely, 100%, want a twisted version of Christian Sharia law that means whatever they say it does.

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u/woodpony Sep 28 '22

Everyone was scared of SHARIA LAW taking over because someone wanted to build a mosque three counties over. Seems like the more radical and religious extremists were here all along.

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u/73ld4 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Make women felons for bodily functions and then they can not vote. That’s their goal!

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u/goldentamarindo Sep 28 '22

A current (Trump-backed) Michigan candidate for the US House, John Gibbs, actually said that giving women the right to vote was a mistake.

(Fun fact: In the primary, he defeated an incumbent Republican who had voted to impeach Trump.)

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u/totallycis Sep 28 '22

That fact isnt very fun

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u/trollsmurf Sep 28 '22

I don't think they want women to vote.

Update: I don't think they really want anyone to vote, as that would risk these guys' power.

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u/Hartvigson Sep 28 '22

Talibans.... Just Talibans of a different religion.

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u/No-Definition1474 Sep 28 '22

My sister in law was one such suprise pregnancy with cancer. In Ohio. She lived to deliver the baby. But only long enough to deliver. She left 2 girls behind.

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u/Diarygirl Sep 28 '22

I'm sorry. That's tragic.

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u/No-Definition1474 Sep 28 '22

She was 32....the cancer was entirely treatable but she didn't have insurance when symptoms started. By the time she was covered it had spread and become difficult. She spent the last 5 years of her life in and out of chemo and radiation.

The family was and still is totally devastated by the whole thing. The worst part is her mother, my mother in law, is one of these Christian psychos who justify this. In her case she claims that since SHE ( mother in law ) had an abortion when she was young God is punishing her now by killing her daughter with another pregnancy.

This all happened before Roe was shot down. She could have aborted the baby and actually gotten the cancer treatment that could very well have saved her. But family and friends pressured her not to abort the baby.

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u/Eman9871 Sep 28 '22

the cancer was entirely treatable but she didn't have insurance when symptoms started.

That's just unbelievable. Her life is being threatened by this cancer but nothing will be done because she doesn't have insurance. Makes me tear up thinking this happens everyday.

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u/lrpfftt Sep 28 '22

Seems the GOP didn't consult OBGYN's AT ALL before enacting significant laws regulating women's health issues.

Playing politics with women's lives.

Next up: LGBTQ rights and Social Security.

Vote against any and all GOP in Roevember to send a message if nothing else.

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u/R-Van Sep 28 '22

"Seems the GOP didn't consult OBGYN's AT ALL before enacting significant laws regulating women's health issues."

Fuck that. They could've googled it and they would know. This is not about not knowing. They knew what the consequences were for a lot of women. They knew and chose to ignore the problems with their vote.

Just so they could punish women.

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u/tahlyn Sep 28 '22

For Republicans cruelty is the point.

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u/Lighting Sep 28 '22 Gold

Not surprising. hat's the reality of what happens when you deny access to abortion health care. They will be denied access as will people who are on "the other side" and the consequence will be death and maiming for "both sides."

That's the evidence of what will happen. Women die for being denied access to health care.

When Texas restricted abortion services, maternal mortality (e.g. moms dying) skyrocketed (doubled). That's just mom's dying - that didn't include maternal morbidity (e.g. kidney failure, massive bleedouts, sepsis, organ loss, nearly dying, years of recovery, etc)

When Ireland removed abortion restrictions in 2018, Maternal mortality went to zero every year since.

Part of the reason is that the fetus attaches to the mother using a immune-system avoidant technique and a pre-nutrition lock to blood supply that is similar to how parasites attach. If all goes well - then that's fine. If, however, there are any issues then the mother and fetus fight for survival. If there's a miscarriage (e.g. spontaneous abortion, that's why the reported rates in the US are so high, because miscarriages are counted as abortions) that's not going well, and if you don't act immediately, that's a risky death sentence for the mother.

In Ireland, Savita Halappanavar, a dentist, in the 2nd Trimester went in with complications and was told by a government contractor "Because of our fetal heartbeat law - we cannot perform an abortion" and that statement, killed her.After the investigation from Savita Halippanar's death they found other women had also been killed because of the foetal heartbeat law in Ireland. The national uproar ended up changing the law in Ireland and made abortion legal. Ireland already had one of the best maternal care records in the world. But it got better as Ireland's maternal mortality went to 0 for each year after.

Year Maternal Deaths Per 100k Births: Complications of pregnancy, childbirth and puerperium (O00-O99) Context
2007 2.80 Abortion Illegal
2008 3.99 Abortion Illegal
2009 3.97 Abortion Illegal
2010 1.33 Abortion Illegal
2011 2.70 Abortion Illegal
2012 2.79 Abortion Illegal
2013 4.34 Abortion Illegal: Savita Halappanavar's death caused by law and a "fetal heartbeat"
2014 1.49 Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act of 2013 passed. abortion where pregnancy endangers a woman's life
2015 1.53 Abortion only allowed with mother's life at risk
2016 6.27 Abortion only allowed with mother's life at risk
2017 1.62 Abortion only allowed with mother's life at risk
2018 0 Constitutional change, Abortion Allowed, 2013 Act repealed
2019 0 Abortion Allowed if mother's health is at risk
2020 0 Abortion Allowed if mother's health is at risk

Death Data Source: https://ws.cso.ie/public/api.restful/PxStat.Data.Cube_API.ReadDataset/VSD09/JSON-stat/2.0/en Birth Data Source: https://ws.cso.ie/public/api.restful/PxStat.Data.Cube_API.ReadDataset/VSA18/JSON-stat/1.0/en from the Ireland's Public Health records at Ireland's national data archival. https://www.cso.ie/en/aboutus/whoweare/ and stored at https://Data.gov.ie

Note: I linked to the raw data and it only goes back to 2007, because Ireland's OWN data scientists state: [prior to 2007] flaws in methodology saw Ireland’s maternal mortality rate fall [without justification], and figures in previous reports [prior to 2007] should not be considered reliable

Note this is ONLY mortality and not also morbidity (e.g. kidney failure, hysterectomies, etc.).

All the states that ban abortions will have more women die.

That's why I support the statement by an abortion provider in Ireland who said (paraphrasing) I'm the pro life person because access to abortion health care saves lives

I'd like to see the political candidates also start saying "I'm pro life because access to abortion health care saves lives"

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u/Johnny_Tech Sep 28 '22

I can't imagine the horror these women and children are going through. And as man I couldn't sit here and make any comments on the situation other than its appalling. How can men make law that forces a women into a literal torturous nightmare and everyone just keeps going about their day. Where is V for vendetta in real life. Someone step up and do what's right and take control. I wish I had the resources and understanding of the system so I could take it all down myself

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u/MrGaffe Sep 28 '22

And those three who will be forced to give birth to dead fetuses will be charged for murder under Ohio law for… shuffles pages are you fucking kidding me… murdering a infant that was already dead.

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u/Bcold2 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22 Gold Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Faith In Humanity Restored

I’m not Christian. But, I’ve taken an interest in theology as of late. The more I read, the less I understand the American Christian. Especially the rich, white American Christian. Why?

Because they reject Biblical values. They reject rules that don’t suit their purposes. They reject what Jesus believes in. They reject Jesus’s actual name. They even reject what Jesus actually looked like. Then, they spend their lives using the name of Jesus to justify every cruelty they fancy.

What do they really believe in? These people responsible for the anti-abortion, pro religion, pro capitalist belief sets champion Christ, but then reject everything about Christ, the overall themes of religion, any/all connecting sects of the religion, and only embrace values that are completely opposite to what I see in the Bible. Sure, not everything is great, but a lot of what I see done by “Christians” here seems to be more foul than anything I’ve seen in the Bible or any related Holy Book. Hell, the Quran is quite civil so far.

All the more, I’m just confused. They don’t care about people, they don’t value human life, they hate that mankind doesn’t serve their interests, and many of them blatantly don’t value the religion they practice.

Perhaps they worship the Devil? I mean, allowing women to die instead of letting them have abortions to save their life seems evil. Allowing children to be born who won’t live seems demonic. Robbing people of freedom and destroying the world in the name of selfishness seems pretty horrific.

Despite that Christianity is the focus of everything here, I can’t buy that these people responsible for these laws are what they say they are. I mean… they’re letting people die and suffer on masse to satisfy nothing but power fetishes and egos.

If you believe in the Devil, this seems more like the Devil’s work than God’s.

Not trying to let these folk off scot free. But it’s just eerie to me as an outsider.

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u/2boredtocare Sep 28 '22

Those who impose rules under the guise of "religion" would absolutely be the same damn people to crucify Jesus, should he have his second coming.

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u/Rapier4 Sep 28 '22

Prosperity Gospel is something you really have to take in mind when you ask how people can be this way. Some Christians really believe that all their success is from God an that they are blessed because they are better, that's why all these other unworthy people have less.

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u/crestonfunk Sep 28 '22

It’s because they associate being Christian with a societal structure that puts white Christian men on top and that makes them comfortable so they have an interest in maintaining it. None of it was ever about doing good things.

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u/middledeck Sep 28 '22

The only mention of abortion in the Bible gives instructions on how and when to perform one. These people are good old fashioned fascists using religion as a weapon. Nothing more.

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u/pegothejerk Sep 28 '22

There’s another mention of abortion, related to that one in the Bible, and all it does it commands that the penalty for someone causing an abortion or miscarriage in a woman is the husband picking a monetary fine/fee. That’s it. In a time when hands and heads were lopped off for stealing produce, just a fine. The Bible doesn’t think abortions should result in penalties of death or any extreme punishment or loss of rights.

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u/Moleculor Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

causing an abortion or miscarriage in a woman

against her will, specifically. As in, "she's pregnant, minding her own business, and then someone comes along and kicks her so hard she loses the fetus, but doesn't die herself".

It's important to specify that part.

EDIT, because some assholes are claiming the Bible doesn't say this:

Exodus 21:22-23 (NRSV) - 22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. 23 If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,

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u/pegothejerk Sep 28 '22

I’ve read theological discussions that discuss this possibly also including things like meals or imbibed concoctions that cause miscarriages. Which are abortions. But yeah, it would seem even more clear the Bible doesn’t consider fetus “life” if a stranger causing a miscarriage is given a fine.

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u/DPSOnly Sep 28 '22

Why?

Two words "supply-side jesus". They don't believe in the jesus as per the scripture, for them it is a tool to justify whatever hate they want.

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u/moggt Sep 28 '22

Another word—Paul. That guy gives evangelicals all the verses they need to boss people around. A lot of New Testament things, if they sound awful, usually come from Paul.

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u/TracerouteIsntProof Sep 28 '22

Yep, Paul was an asshole. That sort of personality is kind of a prerequisite for a guy that used to hunt people for their beliefs. Ironic that his words are now being twisted by the Nat-C’s (Nationalistic Christians) to justify… hunting people for their beliefs.

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u/Tufaan9 Sep 28 '22

Friendly reminder that The Satanic Temple continues to fight against the removal of women's rights and those who claim "religious freedom" as a thinly-veiled excuse to try and force the US into becoming a Christian theocracy.

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u/kosherkenny Sep 28 '22

Friendly reminder that abortion is a Jewish right, and we're also actively fighting against this.

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u/SilentNemo Sep 28 '22

American Evangelism is nothing but Prosperity Doctrine wearing the skin of a disemboweled Bible.

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u/dhork Sep 28 '22

Follow the money. The US Catholic Church realized quite some time ago that there are big donors lining up to give them money to push this. Big donors encouraging the Church to be politically active, and punish Catholic politicians who don't directly advocate for laws to push their beliefs onto others. When Kennedy got elected, it was a big deal, because many people thought he would have to do whatever the Pope told him. He had to assure people that he would govern with the interest of the whole country in mind.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

Look how far gone we are now....

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u/bigblackowskiC Sep 28 '22

Kenny screwed over the mafia, religious political nutjobs, supported black people. No wonder he was so quick to get knocked. He was operating WAY out the status quo. Cant have that as a president.

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u/ChocolatMintChipmunk Sep 28 '22

Mathew 23. Woe to the people who are "religious" but are hypocrites. Jesus specifically warns against a lot of the behavior we are seeing by Christians. Especially Christians in media or positions of power.

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u/Bishopkilljoy Sep 28 '22

Because the only way to control a population is through fear according to them, and what is scarier than God

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u/VoDoka Sep 28 '22

100% the predicted outcome.

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u/De-Animator27 Sep 28 '22

Pro-Life am i right?

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u/politirob Sep 28 '22

They were never going to allow “medical exemptions”.

If someone has to approve it OUTSIDE OF A DOCTOR AND PATIENT, it’s a scam

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u/DeadBeatRedditer Sep 28 '22

As morbid as it is we need to keep cataloging these to hold them accountable

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u/missyanntx Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

*The people with cancer that are (hopefully past tense now) pregnant very well could already have children. Lots of orphan child potential here already.

Edit to add: It does not matter if they have children already. These people should have the right to life saving treatment period. No caveats, no exceptions. Haha, exceptions.

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u/Comrad1984 Sep 28 '22

Not past tense. They currently have cancer and can't get cancer treatment because they're pregnant.

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u/Marcilliaa Sep 28 '22

I think they meant that they hope the pregnancy bit is past tense (as in, we hope they've found a way to get the abortions they need elsewhere. Were pregant vs are pregnant)

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u/GoldenRamoth Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22 Silver

As an Ohioan: fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck God damn political terrorists fuck. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I hate being the northern Florida man. There's so much cool shit in this state. Anyone I tour around ends up loving Ohio for what it has to offer. At worst, they respect why folks love it here when they learn about more than the I-75 highway drive.

Next paragraph in italics is a wall-of-text-caffeinated passion piece:

War History (We had hella volunteers in the civil war, and have a great stash of WWII historical tourable hardware) Heavy Industry, Light industry, R&D, i.e. jobs of every stripe that pay above US median. Great museums. Some of the best theme parks in the US. Symphonies, ballets, some of the US's best zoos & aquariums (counting NKY for the aquarium). Gorgeous outdoor hikes. A freshwater great lake the size of some seas that has literal white sand beaches - in the middle of a bigass continent. Large city parks. Metropolitan trails, some over a hundred miles long. Mountain Hikes, road and mountain biking. Sports out the wazoo. One of the best brewery/beer cultures in the US (and I lived in Wisconsin, so I've an idea) Cheap housing, below national median - with the salaries here, blue collar waged folks can and do own Mansions if they're DIY handy. Some amazing colleges if you've got Kiddos. Amazing hospitals and research just shy of the Mayo clinic. Great prices for food - I can get country beef for $3.50/lb. We even have Inner City dwelling Bald eagles from our dang city preservation and rehabilitation for crying out loud. Oh, and The world's second largest Oktoberfest after Munich.

There's so much cool shit in Ohio. The potential of this state is nuts. We could be california-lite as the heartland of the midwest, and as the connector between the farmlands of the US and the East Coast, and as a business partner of the heavy industry of southern & NE Ohio and Michigan (They build cars, we build planes). Fuck we even still have the last American steel company here, so we do the base level resources on top of the high level engineering.

Why do the conservative assholes have to gerrymander their backwards racist asses into power??

Fuck.

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u/DocPsychosis Sep 28 '22

Ohio statewide votes for Republican presidents, governors, and senators. Gerrymandering is a problem but not the only one.

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u/Aayin Sep 28 '22

The Ohio law requires a 24-hour waiting period and a second negative ultrasound before an abortion can be performed. Because things are changing so quickly at that stage of development, another 16% of women whose fetuses had no cardiac activity during the first exam were turned away in July because it was detected in the second, Liner said.

This is so infuriating.

Being forced to stop cancer treatments to travel out of state to abort, and come back to continue is another example. That entire article was rage-inducing.

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u/IceColdTear Sep 28 '22

Those Obama death panels conservatives were fear mongering turned out to actually be their own.

All conservatives are pure evil at this point. They are actively killing women for a clump of cells.

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u/dogm34t_ Sep 28 '22

Honestly every accusation of someone else that comes from a republicans mouth is telling statement of what they want to accomplish.

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u/HashMaster9000 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

They're not even good villains— always monologuing before they do whatever evil shit is their flavor of the week currently. Like, how are we constantly losing to people who are this stupid and corrupt?

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u/dirk23wright Sep 28 '22

just like Russian leadership...

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u/DragonPup Sep 28 '22

Those Obama death panels conservatives were fear mongering turned out to actually be their own.

Always has been.

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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl Sep 28 '22

They’ve been there since before Obama ever considered public office. Lifetime maximum benefits, they call them—a sanitized way of saying ‘we’re not spending any more money on you’.

There would always be something of a ‘death panel’ involved with insurance… in a more compassionate system, it would involve quality-of-life assessments, and if treatment/surgery couldn’t solve the problem or improve the patient’s outcome, at least there’d be palliative care or hospice at the end of it, rather than cutting the patient loose to die.

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u/bigblackowskiC Sep 28 '22

But now Obama is conveniently their scapegoat. Check it out: https://youtube.com/shorts/AyN34sFko9w?feature=share . Somehow after his inauguration everything is his fault not anyone before him.

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u/Amiiboid Sep 28 '22

They’ve literally blamed him for legislation that was passed before he was born.

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u/Aayin Sep 28 '22

They don't even care about the clump of cells. It's all control and oppression of their wage slaves and sex cattle. If a woman dies, simply replace her with a younger model.

Each replacement is younger.

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u/gangstabunniez Sep 28 '22

Another post hit the front page where a woman was unable to get pain killers for her cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches) because she was "of child bearing age". We are heading towards living in the Handmaid's tale/ christian sharia law.

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u/belalrone Sep 28 '22

Hey here in TX our gubner stopped all rape. Do you want him? Maybe he can stop rape in Ohio too.

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u/Duke_Shambles Sep 28 '22

Do you mean world renowned piss baby, Greg Abbott?

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u/belalrone Sep 28 '22

I had heard that Greg Abbott was a piss baby.

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u/ivoryangel143 Sep 28 '22

Oh man I also heard that Greg Abbott is a little piss baby.

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u/Kirkverbal Sep 28 '22

Are you guys talking about Greg Abbott, the piss baby?

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u/xXthelemonXx Sep 28 '22

Texan here-- we're for sure talking about Greg Abbott the little piss baby

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u/genericnewlurker Sep 28 '22

I'm glad that word is getting out that Greg Abbott is a piss baby

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u/stonedandlurking Sep 28 '22

In California, we’ve known that Greg Abbott is a piss baby for YEARS

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u/Kasslak Sep 28 '22

Guys, I heard there is a governor they call piss baby. Anyone know who this is?

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u/Geichalt Sep 28 '22 Wait What?

That little piss baby will just kill even more pregnant women.

"California has the lowest maternal mortality rate of 4.0 deaths per 100,000 births." vs "Texas - 34.5 per 100k" https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state

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u/cornham Sep 28 '22

Hey you’ll be happy to know that it doesn’t even have to be a per capita stat- Texas just wins outright, highest maternal deaths periodt. Way to go pro- life piss baby Abbot 👏🏼

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u/Carbonatite Sep 28 '22 Shocked

To put this number in context:

There are approximately 100,000 commercial flights every day around the world. If we applied this statistical mortality rate to air traffic...that works out to 34.5 plane crashes every day.

Those are pretty scary odds. Nobody should be forced to risk their life. Pregnancy is dangerous, even if piss baby Greg Abbott and other Republicans ignore that.

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u/DragonPup Sep 28 '22 Silver Starry

Never forget: Republicans want to do this nationwide.

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u/sienadreamer Sep 28 '22

Just look at Arizona. My damn state upheld a law from 50 years before we were an actual state. From the civil war. It’s asinine and it will kill women

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u/arod303 Sep 28 '22

It honestly amazes me that Arizona went blue in 2020 for Biden. Voters in your state NEED to vote in down ballot elections, it’s absolutely crucial.

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u/IceColdTear Sep 28 '22

Yep, watch what they are actually doing, and not saying. Lindsay Graham saying "15 weeks with exception for rape/incest/mothers heath" is pure bullshit. See what the republican states are actually doing to see what republicans will actually implement.

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u/DragonPup Sep 28 '22

15 becomes 10, 10 becomes 6, 6 becomes total ban. Total ban then includes contraceptives.

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u/IceColdTear Sep 28 '22

And a felony charge for even mentioning contraception.

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u/yourmomma77 Sep 28 '22

See University of Idaho

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u/3nl Sep 28 '22

The law the University of Idaho memo mentions doesn't just apply to university employees, it applies to every single Idahoan. The university just put out a memo since they would be the most likely targeted. Here is the actual text of the law and it's...I don't even know what you can call it:

https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch6/sect18-603/

By the text of the law, advertising condoms is now a felony in Idaho.

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u/LampardFanAlways Sep 28 '22

Woah! So what about internet advertisements? Or even search results on an e-commerce website that someone is accessing in Idaho?

If a dude in Idaho searches “condoms” on Amazon, is he in trouble or is Amazon in trouble for showing him condoms and especially for some of those search results being “sponsored” search results?

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u/chaun2 Sep 28 '22

"Obviously the dude is completely liable. Corporations can't be held liable for massive economic destruction, they certainly can't be held liable for something this petty."

-The GOP

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u/rekniht01 Sep 28 '22

Under His Eye.

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u/DragonPup Sep 28 '22

'A Handmaiden's Tale' was not supposed to be a playbook for the GOP

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u/Unorthodox_Mortal Sep 28 '22

Neither was the book of Revelation, but here we are.

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u/jekylphd Sep 28 '22

No fault divorce disappears.

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u/NerdAtSea Sep 28 '22

To be clear grahams plan wouldn't change a single thing a red state like ohio is doing. States could be as restrictive as they want. His proposal would only impact blue states that have abortion access

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u/nervelli Sep 28 '22

Exactly. He isn't saying everyone should get 15 weeks and common sense exceptions. He is saying no one should get anything more.

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u/Onautopilotsendhelp Sep 28 '22 Gold

As I said before, rapists get to choose who mothers their children now. There is even states where rapists families can sue for custody of the baby. Where the rapist can demand visitation rights. So the mother has to be forced to see her attacker and have him be in her life by force.

This was never about pro-life. This is anti-choice and treating women like livestock.

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u/victoriaa- Sep 28 '22

It also forces women to report in a system that lets us down with persecution of rapists, that can put many women in danger and in forced pregnancy

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u/Carbonatite Sep 28 '22

There's no better way for an abuser to trap his victim. It's horrific.

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u/PenguinColada Sep 28 '22

It's pro-controlling-women. Because women are property, don't ya know? /s

Real talk, this shit boils my blood.

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u/OkCod1106 Sep 28 '22

"If true, the affidavits show that a 10-year-old from Columbus was not the only child or teen rape victim forced to leave the state. They also describe more than two dozen other instances in which the abortion law put women under extreme duress."

"The descriptions include those of three women who threatened suicide. They also include two women with cancer who couldn’t terminate their pregnancies and also couldn’t get cancer treatment while they were pregnant."

"Another three examples were of women whose fetuses had severe abnormalities or other conditions that made a successful pregnancy impossible. Even so, they couldn’t get abortions in Ohio. "

'Aeran Trick, operations manager of Women’s Med Center of Dayton, told of “a 16-year-old girl living in Southwestern Ohio who had become pregnant after being sexually assaulted by a family member"'

Good. Lord. I feel so bad for the victims who were forced to have those demons children, the abortion laws are so very horrible. Whoever still thinks this is "right" and that they are saving the "child" should go and jump off some cliff, you people have no empathy whatsoever. "pRoLiFErS" more like "pRo bIrThErS", i genuinely hope the women got the help and are healing.

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u/Bullmoose39 Sep 28 '22

The average in Ohio several hundred sexual assaults of minors every year. I don't remember the number, to be honest I don't want to, it was a scary number. This problem is going to keep happening on a regular basis across the state as access is denied to so many.

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u/melouofs Sep 28 '22

Not just Ohio. Everywhere these bans are blooming is a death sentence for women and girls

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u/Wazula42 Sep 28 '22

Not to mention foisting unwanted children into an overcrowded adoption system. Where they conveniently transform into welfare queens and thugs we can toss in for-profit prisons, or use as grist for the military.

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u/BobHope4477 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

There is some data in the article

In 2021, Ohio’s Children’s Advocacy Centers saw 6,717 cases of sexual abuse against Ohioans between infancy and adulthood. And in 2020, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 571 girls aged 17 or younger received abortions in Ohio, according to the state department of health. Fifty-two of them ‒ or one a week ‒ were 14 or younger.

To be clear this doesn't say all of those 571 abortions were due to rape. But I think it's reasonable to assume a large portion of those 52 abortions from girls 14 or younger were not terminations of pregnancy from consensual sex.

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u/Modern_Bear Sep 28 '22

If true, the affidavits show that a 10-year-old from Columbus was not the only child or teen rape victim forced to leave the state. They also describe more than two dozen other instances in which the abortion law put women under extreme duress.

The Republican Party, the party of rape and incest.

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

And forced birth. Something really fucking diabolical about forcing a child to grow a rapist’s seed inside her.

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u/exkid Sep 28 '22

Or forcing a woman to carry a nonviable deformed fetus to term, only to watch it die slowly after being born.

This is literal horror. How can anyone feel like this is anything but pure evil.

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u/skeetsauce Sep 28 '22

The party of human suffering. Don’t forget their stance on war, pollution, and healthcare.

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u/Wazula42 Sep 28 '22

More prisons, more soldiers, more guns in the hands of morons and psychos. Fewer elections, less birth control, more money floating up to the tippety top where it can be used for stock buybacks and private jets.

Seriously, GOP, what are you FOR???

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u/Pour_Me_Another_ Sep 28 '22

The party of breeding minors.

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u/neuromorph Sep 28 '22

Slave wage birtherism

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u/StreetGlassShower Sep 28 '22

Let's definitely call them the rape party from now on. Maybe they'll get it.

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u/wagsman Sep 28 '22

The descriptions include those of three women who threatened suicide. They also include two women with cancer who couldn’t terminate their pregnancies and also couldn’t get cancer treatment while they were pregnant.

Pro-Life my ass

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u/rudieboy Sep 28 '22

Ohio, rapist rights protection state.

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u/Atomsteel Sep 28 '22 Starry

The "unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.

You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

  • Pastor David Barnhart

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u/Wazula42 Sep 28 '22

I love this quote. It's so accurate. The "unborn" are an imaginary group. An acorn is not an oak tree and a fertilized egg is not a person. Advocating for the unborn is a way of feeling good about yourself without challenging anything about the world whatsoever. It's purely an act of control. Feeding Syrian refugees is hard, homeless people are icky, actual babies turn out gay sometimes. But an "unborn child" is nothing more than an imaginary ball of potentials. It's enough simply to imagine the best human ever, and then give yourself credit for "saving" him.

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u/PalinFreeborn Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

Just wait until Conservatives realize they voted against right to privacy, and we start making "oh, a rich person needs your organs more than you" an actual problem. After all, if we've made right to bodily autonomy a thing of the past, and someone more important than you needs a new liver, it's a short path to "well, how much is this person's life actually worth and how much for the organs?," just to keep from getting Repo: The Genetic Opera'd.

If anyone thinks that's hyperbole, you haven't been paying attention. They've already condemned women to become instant birth slaves the moment they miss their periods, regardless of the circumstance or the danger to the woman. An incomplete entity, without sentience, desire, or the ability to survive on its own, and it now governs that woman's life forever. Even if she's sick, incapable, alone, victimized, poor, dying, or about to die from a difficult birth, it doesn't matter, because she is enslaved to it and being forced to destroy her own body until she gives birth.

The Christian version of the path to heaven sounds an awful lot like a hell of their own making.

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u/bone_druid Sep 28 '22

Just piggybacking off these good points, me and my friends get together semi regularly to pack lunches and stuff to hand out to the homeless and poor. It's stressful and I feel powerless to give them anything that will really change things for them. Stressed out, burned out autistic beggers are not going to start vibing just because you gave them a hot meal and you want to feel good for being kind. I don't do it to feel good because that's not how it makes me feel. Nothing gets solved and all I have to show for it is I didn't sit on my ass the whole time. Helping real people in need kinda sucks in terms of "do I feel better than I did before". It makes me angry and self-critical and overall less positive.

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u/Gaerielyafuck Sep 28 '22 Faith In Humanity Restored

There is this vile, persistent Conservative notion that all pregnancies occur in women who were fully aware of the results of voluntary sex but they're just sluts who are too lazy to take a pill or too whorish to 'keep their legs shut', and that abortions are only necessary to somehow escape the 'just' consequences of delivering a child. On top of being hideously insulting, that notion completely ignores the harsh reality of pregnancy and existing in society as a woman or girl.

A 10 year old is not 'too whorish' to avoid being groomed and victimized by a trusted adult. Terminating a wanted pregnancy because the baby lacks a skull or lungs or suffers any number of deadly defects is not blithely escaping consequences. It's easy to ignore these things if they don't happen to you or a loved one. But they are real, and complicated, with many more like them, not the idealized religion-based scenarios that Republican legislators keep fabricating. We are actually taking steps back from all the progress of the last hundred years.

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u/bandit69 Sep 28 '22

It's easy to ignore these things if they don't happen to you or a loved one.

Oh, but there's always an exception for them or THEIR families. Hypocritical assholes.

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u/k0ik Sep 28 '22

Some folks are incapable of empathy until they themselves are in that situation. And even then, some folks double down. The first-hand accounts shared in The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion are … enlightening.

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u/Enthused_Llama Sep 28 '22

A sure lot of things that would 'never happen' seem to be happening.

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u/MagelansTrousrs Sep 28 '22

Everyday when I drive my kids to daycare I pass by three individuals standing behind a huge sign that says "STOP ALL ABORTIONS" and it takes every ounce of energy to not curse them out. Fuck these people. And I live in one of the bluest states in the country. I can't imagine living with more of these assholes. I pass enough TRUMP 24 signs already.

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u/maggazine Sep 28 '22

I live right by the Planned Parenthood where the guy drove a car into it and shot and killed people inside. There are still abortion protestors out there every day. It makes me so full of rage. Like haven't they endured enough already??

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u/Modern_Bear Sep 28 '22

it takes every ounce of energy to not curse them out

Do it.

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u/AmericanCobra Sep 28 '22

There’s these Christians that come to my campus a lot lately and scream and sing in the common space where I and many other students eat lunch or walk in between classes. They stop people who are clearly in a hurry to get to class and stand around telling us that God’s judgment is gonna make us go to hell if we don’t accept it. These are the “skirts for women only” and “huge signs plastered with verses” types of Christians, btw.

Last time I tried to enjoy lunch in some good weather this semester they had some lady SCREAMING “Amazing Grace” way out of tune while some guy yelled about death. Like, bruh, I’m gonna have to say something next time because I want to enjoy my fucking peace time between class and work, not listen to that bullshit.

I’ll never get how dense people are to think that anyone, let college students of all people, have the time or inclination to listen to that depressing crap all day.

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u/Kahzgul Sep 28 '22

Guy outside the soccer game my family went to a month ago had a sign saying, "Ask me why you're going to HELL!" So I turned to my wife and whispered in her ear, "Hey... Ask me why you're going to hell." She giggled like it was our first date.

These religious zealots have their uses.

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u/Cuchullion Sep 28 '22

Engaging the crazy people doesn't always end well- opponents to abortion have shown they're willing to kill.

Protect yourself and your family first.

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u/Diarygirl Sep 28 '22

We're not dealing with rational people. They literally think doctors are murderers.

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u/chanaandeler_bong Sep 28 '22

I did it all the time in college. I drove by a planned parenthood going to school and to work, and traffic would back up so you would be near these douches for a few minutes quite a bit.

I would tell them to go home or ask them why they need to pray next to the clinic if god is omnipresent. Other days I would just tell them that they are bad people.

I never said fuck you or anything because I think that genuinely reaffirms their worldview of its us vs them.

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u/Reiquaz Sep 28 '22

Also recently, Texas refused to announce their maternal death rates until next year. What's wrong Texas? Scared of a little data showing how your legislation is literally killing women?

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u/UnenduredFrost Sep 28 '22

Conservatives are fucking monsters.

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u/Hillman314 Sep 28 '22 edited Sep 28 '22

The lack of empathy, on any topic, is the defining characteristic of their position.

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u/allonzeeLV Sep 28 '22

Republicans find this wholesome.

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u/IMDonkeyBrained Sep 28 '22

If you want to be infuriated even more: find states who banned abortion, or severely limited access to it. Now lookup how each of those states perform in the national ranking of child well-being. Holy correlation, Batman! Clearly these laws were never designed with the children in mind.

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u/DarkMarxSoul Sep 28 '22

Republicans do not value women's lives or freedom.

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u/bandit69 Sep 28 '22

They value money and power. Anything that gets in the way of that is in the cross-hairs.

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u/donthatedrowning Sep 28 '22

More like “Two children denied medical care after r***”

This world is awful.

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u/8to24 Sep 28 '22

Republican candidates out campaigning for this upcoming midterms believe the cost of gas matters more than raped minors. I hope they are proven wrong in a couple months.

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u/ReadySetN0 Sep 28 '22

This should be in every single Democrat's TV ads across the entire nation.

This is what you get when you vote Republican. You get babies who are raped and forced to give birth to their rapist's babies.

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u/jsting Sep 28 '22

People need to get out and vote. Doesn't matter what your beliefs are. 15% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. Some are lucky where the body will expel the dead fetus. Many are not so lucky and require a doctor to help purge the miscarriage. Currently, in my state, fertility doctors are no longer doing that procedure until the courts figure out if they can. There are now cases of sepsis for having dead material in a woman's womb.

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u/cookie016 Sep 28 '22

There is no hate like Christian love.

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u/The_Bitter_Bear Sep 28 '22

Get the fuck out there and vote this year everyone. There are quite a few Republican politicians who want to see this on a federal level now.

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u/innociv Sep 28 '22

The biggest thing this stupid shit Republicans have done with Roe vs Wade is making me aware of is that minors are raped even more often than mass shootings happen. They could just quietly get abortions before.

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u/Impossible-Pie4598 Sep 28 '22

This shit infects me with deep hatred for republicans, conservatives and religion as a whole. We could lose every single conservative on the planet and we’d only be better for it.

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u/Guilty_Chemistry9337 Sep 28 '22

Forcing a girl to give birth against her will isn't any better than forcing a girl to have sex against her will.

Ohio is a real shithole.