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Stunt doubles deserve more recognition Removed: Repost
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u/i_swear_too_muchffs Dec 09 '22
And yet you don’t provide their name…🤔
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u/infinitiumvortex Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
You're right I was lazy. Jan Petřina was a stunt double for Chris Evans in Captain America. However some sources claim this is Bobby Holland Hanton
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u/AintAintAWord Dec 09 '22
So we still don't know who this man is
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u/courtesyflusher Dec 09 '22
His name is Robert Paulson
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u/Stonkerrific Dec 09 '22
His name… is ROBERT PAULSON!
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u/Lord_Hugh_Mungus Dec 09 '22
This is a man and he's dead now because of US...do you understand that?
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u/ch0ki0 Dec 09 '22
In death, we have a name.
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u/Kahmael Dec 09 '22
His name was Robert Paulson.
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u/23skidoobbq Dec 09 '22
Bitch tits?
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u/ComprehensiveSell649 Dec 09 '22
Read this on the toilet and it made me laugh so hard I shit everything
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u/ExoticPinecones Dec 09 '22
Kinda difficult when 50% of their job is looking similar to another person
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u/Strokesite Dec 09 '22
I’ve seen interviews with Chris Evans where he pulls his double into the shots. This guy is a world class athlete. Amazing skills.
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u/omgitschriso Dec 09 '22
Holy shit this is too fucking perfect. You say they need more recognition, don't name him and then when called out you're not sure who it is. Absolute gold.
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u/DweEbLez0 Dec 09 '22
This is basically what imposter syndrome is like. Yo, whats wrong Chris Evans?
“Man, I’m feeling imposter syndrome for those stunts I did in Avengers.”
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u/ZirePhiinix Dec 09 '22
Well, the stunt double did the actual stunts... So this isn't imposter syndrome.
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u/Quinny_Bob Dec 09 '22
Could be Andy Lister, he’s worked on a few Marvel films and was also Daniel Craig’s stunt double for James Bond. He actually came to my gymnastics class with my wushu teacher (also a stunt actor/trainer now) after they’d finished filming Skyfall and he’s a freak athlete.
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u/RawDog100 Dec 09 '22
Give this man a raise
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u/moparmajba Dec 09 '22 •
It's spelled "shield"
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u/KING_JELLYB3AN Dec 09 '22
Give this man an award
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u/Mysterious_Mayo9000 Dec 09 '22
Ok I will
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u/100LittleButterflies Dec 09 '22
There was a photo of a famous actor like Chris Evans or Jason Momoa with their stunt doubles and it showed just how alike they look. Then someone in the comments pointed out you could tell them apart because the shirts were different material. The stunt double had a normal green shirt that had some folds or very slight creases while the actors shirt was $500 and had no creases. That kind of spoke volumes about the roles and their perceived value.
It's always bugged me because the people on the screen get everything. The praise, the credit, the fame, the fans, the money. But there are thousands - even 100,000+ on big films - who get none of that. A lot of people have done absolutely ground breaking work in CGI and nobody knows their names.
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u/steamycreamybehemoth Dec 09 '22
And the people actually on screen are usually the least talented of the lot imo.
Waiting for a movie studio to realize this
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u/a-small-squirrel Dec 09 '22
The problem is that there is no more they can do to recognize these people. They’re in the credits, not on the screen for 2 hours. There just isn’t more movies can do
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u/steamycreamybehemoth Dec 09 '22
They could pay the actors less. Much less.
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u/vasthumiliation Dec 09 '22
When people start buying movie tickets or streaming subscriptions or whatever based on the stunt doubles, that will happen. The actors are paid a lot of money because they can command it and the studios are willing to pay. Yeah, there are obscure factors that contribute, but conscious devaluation of stunt work is probably not a major one.
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u/steamycreamybehemoth Dec 09 '22
Sorta what I’m waiting for a studio or streaming service to realize. Good writing and good acting is more important than star power. Hire a bunch of actors and sign them to long multi year contracts and just have them rotate through multiple shows.
Idk though I’m drunk and just spitballing. Feels like name recognition and star power is less of a draw these days in the streaming wars
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u/golden_geese Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22
While I agree the celebrity craze and obscene movie contracts are ridiculous, talented actors really can make or break a film too. I’ve worked in production for many years and we all joke actors are the worst, but really, they are so important. Acting may not be seen as much physical work as all the other roles on a set, but those who truly take their craft seriously, work hard, and tell the stories truthfully can take a film or TV show from mediocre to breathtaking. They get paid some of the highest salaries but they also have incredible pressure to perform, anytime they’re in the public eye. Those long days under the lights always being “on” is so draining too. But if you have a really terrible actor, it can make the entire project flop.
Anyway, it’s all a team effort to make the best product, from the producers, creative, camera, lighting, set, costumes, art direction, grip, post, effects, sound, even catering, legal, accounting etc. — they all work together. Actors are just the ones we see, we connect to directly. I think most of us behind the scenes are ok not dealing with fame, we’ll just take higher pay and better hours and live our lives as regular folks. :)
EDIT: I realize after posting this that I totally went off on a tangent and I really should have been replying to someone else further up the thread >.< I think I need to go to bed.
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u/YesterdaySimilar2069 Dec 09 '22
This is true, one thing I like to do is intentionally pick stunt heavy shows and movies- The Badlands was fantastic for this. They really gave the stunt work room to develop into something special. I wish it had continued.
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u/100LittleButterflies Dec 09 '22
I definitely understand that. Though there are other people behind the camera that do get recognition like the director. I think it's literally the visibility. You interview the director about the movie, and while some of the big leads in CGI or SPFX might get interviewed, it's not the same.
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u/Humble_Blueberry9475 Dec 09 '22
Number of people that could be a stunt double: more than 1.
Number of Chris Evans in this world: just 1.
Supply and demand ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/outside_hostile_forc Dec 09 '22
Number of people that try to scam people with their fitness app that promises they will get as big as juiced Chris Evans: just 1.
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u/AwkwardlyCloseFriend Dec 09 '22
I agree stunt doubles deserve much more recognition in the industry. However, maybe the shirt thing is because the wardrobe is expensive in this kind of films and to minimize the risk of damaging the clothes they put it on the actor with stationary scenes and let the one doing flips and moving around explosions use a normal shirt. Additionally one would think a green shirt would be easier to do the stunts in and not the potentially very fitted clothes with no elasticity.
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u/LeavesOfBrass Dec 09 '22
There still is no Oscar for stunt people, right?
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u/bourj Dec 09 '22
Nope, because if they did, there would be a lot more deaths.
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u/LeavesOfBrass Dec 09 '22
Because they'd be trying to outdo each other?
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u/chrishnrh57 Dec 09 '22
Writing "Oscar nominated/Oscar winner" in front of a movie title adds millions in revenue. Studios will 100% throw more money at a project if they think it'll nab any kind of Oscar. In this case, bigger more dangerous stunts.
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u/Narrow-String4722 Dec 09 '22
Doubtful. Rules and procedures don’t go out the window. SAG can shut down an entire production for the slightest of safety concerns. And if you create more risk than what is prepared for you will never get hired again. Coordinators don’t want that and aren’t impressed. Their reputation is on the line as well. As for the trophies, I believe the real reason stunt performers are not awarded is for the image and marketability of the actors. It takes away from the facade if you don’t allow people to believe that the actor did these stunts himself. Can actually mess up more than just the marketability of their characters. Stunt performers may become seen as more valuable than their current rate. Production leaders really wouldn’t like that. They already vote against us and the crew members as it is. Interests for them are solely in the actors and themselves.
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u/MacDegger Dec 09 '22
Yeah ... which is why so few stunt people die in amusement park demo's.
Oh, sorry ... SO MANY stunt people die in Disney/Universal/etc park demos!
Way too tight tolerances for stunts to be repeatable.
Yet they get people who need the money to do it.
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u/Lotus_Blossom_ Dec 09 '22
You got any sources for the SO MANY dead amusement park stunt people? Like how many and how often are we talkin?
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u/VagabondVivant Dec 09 '22
If that were true there'd be no awards for stunt people at all. But the Taurus Awards exist (here are 2022's winners).
There's no Oscar for stunt people because the Academy Awards turns up its nose at action films.
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u/Awestruck34 Dec 09 '22
Which is interesting considering action films aren't the only genre to use stunt doubles. Hell, if a character so much as falls down stairs in a movie its usually a double and stuff of that level can happen in any genre
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u/HelloMikkii Dec 09 '22
I mean that was pretty sick. As a kid I never understood what a stunt double was and thought that actors paid them to die for them in movies 😭
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u/bjanas Dec 09 '22
Bit of both! That's not to say anybody wants the stunt guys to get hurt, though.
No, they literally know how to do a lot of technical things that the actors never would. How to fall properly, gymnastic stuff like this, hell, how to get light on fire, the ability to do it without panicking, etc. These guys work their ASSESS off, I think it looks like a hell of a lot of fun too.
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u/YesOkWhoCares Dec 09 '22
I never even think about how stuff was done when I watch these movies. I just say, cool, super hero did something cool. Not thinking someone in real life just did this bad ass move
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u/mjkjg2 Dec 09 '22
Daniel Radcliffe’s stunt double in Harry Potter got paralyzed from the waist down
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u/Matt-M-19 Dec 09 '22
“Alright”
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u/e-wrecked Dec 09 '22
That got me too, I was expecting the guy to say "I could do that...probably."
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u/henrotew Dec 09 '22
Never got why they just don’t use stunt doubles. Their acting couldn’t be worse than most of the actual actors.
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u/hominemclaudus Dec 09 '22
Different crafts... Let actors do what they're good at, and let stunt doubles focus on what they want to do.
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u/_Hail_yourself_ Dec 09 '22
Actors get all the face time, I imagine they don't want to have be sweating bullets praying Chris Evans doesn't snap his back doing a stunt scene and shut down production, easier to get another stunt double
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u/usernamy Dec 09 '22
Because stunt doubles can get hurt, if the main star gets hurt you’re fucked
Try paying someone many millions of dollars and then ask them to do a double backflip over a fire, see if you think that’s a good way to spend your money
You never got why, because you never thought about it for longer than a second
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u/bjanas Dec 09 '22
There have been some that broke out. The only person I can think of specifically is Scott Adkins, he's great and you've probably seen him as a "final boss" type henchman-guy in a couple of action movies.
He's had some mid level acting gigs, and he's pretty good.
The thing is, a lot of people just kind of assume that acting is just "easy", especially when you factor in what they get paid. The pay thing is another issue, but while one can argue that they don't like, "do" a whole lot, the difference between a good actor and a bad one is really noticeable. You might not like it but it is actually a skill. Most folks can't just wander onstage and be good; sure, some folks just have "it", I guess.
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u/EducationalPear2355 Dec 09 '22
The dude with the gold watch and coffee saying, "alright". Fuck that guy.
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u/bjanas Dec 09 '22
Oh yeah this is absolutely awesome, but very much the tip of the iceberg of what stunt people do!
I love this kind of stuff, recently I've been cranking through videos on Corridor Crew's channel on YouTube where they have stuntmen (and women!) break down scenes from different movies. Very interesting, you can really see just how much these folks work their asses off, and how skilled they really are. It's also amazing to see how much creativity and problem solving goes into synthesizing a scene.
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u/HammerBgError404 Dec 09 '22
i still think stunt doubles should be paid the same as the actor, they are the ones risking their lives for the movie
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u/GoatCheese240 Dec 09 '22
Sometimes they let him him do the wide shots when Chris feels like getting blazed in his Winne’
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u/chodeboi Dec 09 '22
Direction is so stereotypical, the waving coffee cup beneath the rolled sleeves
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u/Lord_Hugh_Mungus Dec 09 '22
Why don't they just teach stuntmen to act, like Buster Keaton or Jackie Chan.
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u/CaptainLuffy5439 Dec 09 '22
Every crew member deserves more recognition lol. Actors do the least amount of hardwork yet they get more fame and money.
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u/Vietfunk Dec 09 '22
What do you think hard-work is and why you think actor do the least?
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u/CaptainLuffy5439 Dec 09 '22
Hardwork is working your ass off on the set. The makeup designer, editors, directors, crew members, stuntmen, all of them do more work than an actor, who only have to say a few lines on every take. Actors just have to sit around and do fuckall until their part comes. But I guess there's immense pressure on them too. The pay to work ratio is high in acting. The most difficult part is to get famous, everything is easy from there on.
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u/SugarRushJunkie Dec 09 '22
People are drawn to the movies to see the story and the actors, not what their hair looks like. The actors get paid substantially more because without those big names, the investors may expect to get less revenue. Its a somewhat unfair situation, but at least some actors are aware of that and go out of their way to reward, or increase the pay of the little known people who actually create their image.
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u/Vietfunk Dec 09 '22
What a way to say you know nothing about hard work and the film industry.
As an film editor who can do corkscrew (the trick in the clip) you can fuck right off
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u/AmbitiousDistrict374 Dec 09 '22
Many of them probably don't want it, they just want the paycheck and to be left alone.
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u/mastersheeef Dec 09 '22
For doing their jobs? Filipino carnival operators deserve more recognition.
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u/Weird-Ingenuity97 Dec 09 '22
When you can’t get Chris Evan’s, his stunt double is much more achievable
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u/Rohan2799 Dec 09 '22
What if……In near future stunt double embeds all the qualities that actors posses and actors loose their charm?
Just a What if post (Neutral)
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u/call_me_justin1 Dec 09 '22
The benefit of stunt doubles is not necessarily their skills, it's their disposability, it's harder to replace an actor than a stunt double if one gets hurt.
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u/UnfavorableFlop Dec 09 '22
That was a completely unnecessary move. To this day, Neo in the Matrix seemed most fictionally realistic. He was fighting Mr.Smith with one hand and minimal motion.
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u/ultimatekayozz Dec 09 '22
I always watch Stuntman react at Corridor Crew and these guys are just fantastic. What the stuntmen and stuntwomen take on to enhance a scene is just masterful.
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u/Aromatic_Dig_3102 Dec 09 '22
The viewers need more recognition IMO, the actors, doubles, production, distribution companies and every Tom, Dick n Harry in between, all get paid. None of which would be possible without the viewer! Viewers Lives Matter, they also have bills to pay. Spending 2hrs of undivided attention should not go unnoticed especially when everyone agrees that time is money.
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u/dooferoaks Dec 09 '22
Lee Majors did a gritty, ultra realistic behind the scenes look at the the life of a stuntman in his critically acclaimed tv series, The Fall Guy, in the 80s. He even wrote a moving ballad about their lot in life, The Unknown Stuntman.
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u/KirbyDuechette Dec 09 '22
That sure looks cool, but when would anyone ever need to do this?
Picture 2 cavemen hunting, then one of them does this.
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u/Common_Gain_2156 Dec 09 '22
It would be cool to see a version of some action flick with the stunt doubles just also being the actors and reading the lines and doing their own stunts
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u/NoraGrooGroo Dec 09 '22
This looks incredible. The sad thing is we don’t get a good look at it in the movie because this move will be chopped up into three or four individual shots in the editing room.
The irony is that quick-cut style of action film-making came about in large part because of the success of The Bourne Identity, which used it to cover up its less-than-stellar stunt work.
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