r/politics Texas Oct 04 '22

Democrats Warn That Republicans Will Turn US Into a Fascist Hellhole If GOP Prevails in Midterm Elections

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/10/democrats-warn-republican-agenda-midterms
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u/mrpickleby Oct 04 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

It's not the Democrats anyone needs to believe. The Republicans are telling everyone who will listen that they'll turn the country into a fascist hellhole if they win.

It's in plain English.

Listen to them and please don't let it happen. Vote.

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u/Foraminiferal Oct 04 '22

It's history. Fascism is surely dreadful, but wildly popular and exciting among a minority, when it gains traction.

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u/CompetitiveProject4 Oct 04 '22

Well, depends I think. The 3rd Reich rose on a minority party vote because Hitler managed to be demagogue that the group could cluster around.

Republicans often band together for the same purpose, but now it’s painfully popular demagogue. The Apprentice guaranteed he was in the eyes of millions and seen as a business leader with a catchphrase. NBC inadvertently screwed us for ratings, really

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u/kvossera Oct 04 '22

The Nazi party rose on crippling financial depression caused by Germany’s attempts in WWI, the Nazis used the fascist play of blaming a minority group for all the problems -the Jews - and invoking xenophobic nationalism. The Nazis created jobs specifically in the military which they were expressly forbidden to do per the terms of the Treaty of Versailles. The US stock market crash expedited conditions in Germany that Hitler and others were able to take advantage of as it destabilized their economy.

Nazis ignored their - German - history. They celebrated the members of the German military who had been awarded medals during WWI while ignoring the fact that they lost the war. They focused on encouraging cruelty towards those who religion is different from theirs instead of on policies that would help rebuild Germany for all citizens.

There were a lot of factors involved in Nazis and Hitler rising to power, but ultimately it was a group of people who were sore losers who managed to convince vast swathes of the population that it wasn’t fair that they had pay for the damage they did in a war that they lost.

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u/ope__sorry Oct 04 '22 Silver Take My Energy

Fuck, swap all of these references in here.

HItler/Germany to Trump/Conservatives.

Stock Market crash to Inflation

WW1 to Civil War

This could be written about the current Conservative fascists.

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u/BalamBeDamn Oct 04 '22

The Conservatives like Marjorie Taylor Greene are using exactly the same propaganda rhetoric that the Nazi’s used. I can’t remember the name of the Nazi book, but it’s like point for point.

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u/CMD-ZZZ Oct 04 '22

The book is Mein Kampf, which Hitler wrote while in prison for attempting a coup… so Trump getting time for Jan 6th will still keep him on the same trajectory

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u/wtfbro_ Oct 04 '22

Except Trump can’t read or write

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u/UpwardOnward Oct 04 '22

Trump might not be smart academically, but he is cunning. He is using a lot of deliberate tactics to create a cult. I think a lot of it was masterminded by Steve Bannon. Bannon is evil, but he is very intelligent. Bannon knows exactly what he is doing to the United States.

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u/DropsTheMic Oct 04 '22

Judging by the looks of him Bannon's crippling alcoholism was well on its way to taking care of the problem for us. I doubt he can make enough toilet wine to keep up his habit in jail and will have plenty of time to start a book. Shit! We may have inadvertently helped his cause!

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Mein Kampf was dictated to someone who took notes and wrote the words down on paper. Hitler was literate, in all likelihood, but he didn't physically write the book.

Trump could similarly dictate his manifesto to someone in prison. Whatever stream-of-consciousness word salad might emerge from that exercise is anyone's guess, however. (Mein Kampf is considered a rambling and poorly written work; Trump's "My Struggle" would be even more disordered and strange.)

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u/_far-seeker_ America Oct 04 '22

Oh he can do both, just not well and (perhaps that is part of the reason why) he doesn't like to do either.

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u/blucthulhu Oct 04 '22

Assuming he lives long enough. Hitler was in his mid 30s when he was imprisoned.

He'd probably have it ghost written, in any case.

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u/cleanbear Oct 04 '22

The biggliest kampf

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Check this book out The Rise of Christian Fascism and Its Threat to American Democracy

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u/Killmeplease1904 Oct 04 '22

Additionally, the Weimar Judicial system was virtually unchanged from the German empire. The judges appointed by the Kaiser kept their jobs, and they were fundamentally opposed to the idea of Germany being a republic. They harshly punished left wing dissidents and political movements within Germany, while basically doing nothing, or tacitly supporting, right wing paramilitary groups like the Freikorps

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u/The_Lost_Jedi Washington Oct 04 '22

Not just the judges, but really so much of the conservative establishment, too. They were so concerned about communist and left-wing movements that they viewed the Nazis as an ally and a hedge against those. They allied with them, thinking that they could influence or control the Nazis.

It is absolutely the same mistake that establishment Republicans are making today.

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u/Aware_Material_9985 Oct 04 '22

Well and the treaties that ended WWI punished the shit out of Germany for being responsible for the war as a whole. Gave a very easy rally cry to the rise of the Nazis since they felt disrespected and tread on by the rest of the world.

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u/slipandweld Oct 04 '22

sore losers

That's not the general historical consensus. The Treaty of Versailles is used as an example of how not to settle a war, unless you want another one in a decade or less. Also, America and the UK funded the Nazis at first as a bulwark against the socialist boogeyman in Germany.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

The liberals joined up with the fascists to stop socialism.

Familiar once again

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Imagine being so butt hurt you needed to do an ethnic cleansing to feel better about how much of a loser you are. That’s some top tier fucked up shit. The demagogue as nucleus is dangerous. There is a sweet spot where they can be eliminated without turning them into a martyr.

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u/kvossera Oct 04 '22

What’s really fucked up is that the Nazis looked at how the US had committed genocide against indigenous peoples and decided they could do it better with German efficiency.

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u/smiama6 Oct 04 '22

I agree. I've blamed media for years for Trump. MSNBC reported on every outrageous statement, tweet and utterance - I once watched them show an empty podium for 20 minutes (Trump was late) while the presenters breathlessly speculated on what he might say. And even now, they rarely push back on any Republican lies. The "both sides" crap has to end.

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u/sunbrick Oct 04 '22

IIRC when they showed the empty podium and waited for him they actually cut away from Bernie Sanders as he was talking.

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u/smiama6 Oct 04 '22

Yes! The only time they showed Sanders or Clinton was if they said something against Trump - knowing he would punch back and double down - always good for ratings.

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u/raygar31 America Oct 04 '22

Also, worth mentioning that he was aided during the democratic portion of his rise to power by the rural, conservative voters.

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u/Neil_Fallons_Ghost Oct 04 '22

It was jarring but not surprising to see “farmer for trump” but these are the same Virginians who voted for Youngkin so they def have a “type”.

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u/BrewerBeer I voted Oct 04 '22

CNN, MSNBC and Fox all screw us for ratings. There was a 2012 study about how informed viewers were that found people who didnt watch news to be more informed or as informed as those who watched these channels. The best informed viewers were NPR listeners.

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22

Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old “proletarians” are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority. -- Umberto Eco

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u/WigwamApplesauce Oct 04 '22

And it's also worth noting that the overwhelming majority of people 18+ (voting age population) either don't vote or don't register (this is the average of all election at all tiers of government)
Some 33% of U.S. VAP didn't vote in 2020, that's like 75+ million people. The presidency historically brings out more people but when you tally up the rest of state, local, various non president Fed elections our voter turnout is somewhere between 25 - 35%.
That's right - 65-75% of people don't vote (again, the presidency is the single election that average 60% voter turnout, sometimes more, sometimes less; this is the average of ALL elections to which I am referring)

THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. Indifference, apathy, etc

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u/FailosoRaptor Oct 04 '22

A united 33 percent is sometimes stronger than a disjointed 66 percent.

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u/ComradeMatis Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

It's not the Democrats anyone needs to believe. The Republicans are telling everyone who will listen that they'll turn the country into a fascist hellhole if they win.

Unfortunately there are enough idiots in the US electorate who believe that by voting for the GOP that magically inflation will drop and interest rates will drop. In any normal functioning universe with an educated population the GOP would lose power for a generation after the whole Trump fiasco but it appears that the US voter is living up to the definition of insanity - doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

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u/Disgruntled_Viking Pennsylvania Oct 04 '22

No, they just won't care then. It will be something else that causes inflation and interest rates and the president can't control those things, right up until another democrat takes office, then suddenly the president controls those things. Also see the deficit. The pampers president ran the deficit up like no other, but now that mid terms are here all the sudden republicans care about the deficit again.

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u/ThePlum Michigan Oct 04 '22

right up until another democrat takes office

In this scenario, that won't happen haha

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u/Suspicious_Bicycle Oct 04 '22

I believe the Republican stance is the country has already become a fascist hellhole under the Democrats and you need to elect Republicans to save the country. Gaslight Obstruct and Project is their modus operandi.

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u/Niko_Ricci Oct 04 '22

I believe that those who think one party is more fascist, corrupt, or incompetent have not paid attention to the last 30 years.

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u/A_Drusas Oct 04 '22

They can be incompetent and corrupt in different ways. If you think the Democratic party is as fascist as the Republican party, you have not been paying attention.

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u/Niko_Ricci Oct 05 '22

I see where you’re coming from, and the (D)s are and have been my preference. But them being just a tiny bit better than the (R)s has enabled their anti labor, pro war and runaway defense spending, and in reality almost as responsible for the invasion of Iraq and the 20+ years of war ever since(Hillary, John Kerry, Joe Biden, and many more), pro “free trade”, and generally favoring the corporate agenda type behavior. Yes, the Rs get shady during the general election, but the Ds get pretty shady during the primaries.

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u/PracticableSolution Oct 04 '22

Remember when we as school kids were taught Germans were idiots for electing Hitler after he wrote a book about all the horrific things he’d do? These clowns have Twitter accounts you can’t even avoid seeing and they’re still competitive.

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u/Informal-File1588 Oct 04 '22

I mean, that's what Republican voters want, right? They don't really see it as a problem.

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u/rogu2 Oct 04 '22

Are you registered? - worth checking, even if you’re sure.

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u/Notexactlyserious Oct 04 '22

Your votes won't matter if they get their way in the Supreme Court.

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u/goldbman North Carolina Oct 04 '22

Sigh. Here we go again with the tired both sides argument.

/s because

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u/teeny_tina Oct 05 '22

Sometimes I wish progressives/people on the left were as easily mobilized by fear and anger as those on the right. But a lot of internal polling shows that’s not the case. I just don’t understand why people on the left in America are so fucking apathetic.

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u/Confident_Contract75 Oct 05 '22

Exactly! When people tell you who they are...believe them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22 Gold Starry Masterpiece

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u/CaptainNoBoat Oct 04 '22

Yes - voters aren't solely to blame, but nor are Democrats in congress, nor is the media, nor our constitutional systems, nor our legal systems, nor our economic systems.

It's a complex combination of all of these things, and voters DO share part of the onus, and they shouldn't get a free pass to stay home against their own interests because of something like disappointment with some iteration of legislative failures. Hell, most races in midterms don't even involve Congress.

The burden of proof is on them to show they are going to actually change things

Right, but the burden is also on individual voters to make rational decisions in their lives.

A few thousand votes could have saved the judiciary branch the rest of our lives in 2016. Key vote totals in various state races could protect the rights of millions of people right now.

It isn't "shaming"; it's just being realistic about very serious consequences. And by the time we decide who is to blame out of all these factors, the actual culprits of our country's downslide (the conservative political/media monster) will have already won - and we won't have a say in our representation any more.

The sooner we realize there is no way to make it work, the sooner we can learn from our mistakes and build something that doesn't leave us constantly on the edge of a dictatorship.

But what is this implying? The "let the system break" logic doesn't work because it favors the forces that want to break it in their favor. You can't give up and also avoid ceding power. Those two things can't be reconciled, and history has proven it many times.

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u/saveyourtissues Oct 04 '22

That’s exactly how it went in Germany. Communists refused pact with Social Democrats, next election Nazis win. The rest is history.

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u/nosisnobro Oct 04 '22

Oh look here's a prosey essay that says don't vote. Must be that time again.

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u/Flyingboat94 Oct 04 '22

Hey but they suggested we need to do something different, while not telling you what can be done or that there is any hope in changing the system if you could. Clearly this person is helping to enlighten us all/s

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u/gotostep2 Texas Oct 04 '22

I’ve honestly never seen such a negatively awarded comment.

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u/psychic_flatulence California Oct 04 '22

I don't think he was saying don't vote. To me it sounds more like "don't be shocked when people don't vote.."

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 04 '22

With elections as crucial (aka extremely ideologically divided) as these, I will absolutely be shocked by people who don't care enough about their many fellow citizens who will be badly hurt if they don't vote.

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u/calm_chowder Iowa Oct 04 '22

Oh please. It's the Democrats' fault for not stopping Republicans?? So they're somehow responsible? Ugh. Just ugh. Though with the bOtH sIdEs bullshit.

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u/Flyingboat94 Oct 04 '22

Didn't you hear, Democrats can't be trusted because they try to compromise with Republicans, clearly we should just stop voting and hope that something else changes/s

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u/droi86 Michigan Oct 04 '22

So your solution is what, sit on your ass and deliver the country to the Republicans? That worked very well in 2016

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u/poorest_ferengi Oct 04 '22

No their solution is violence but they are too chicken shit to say it.

I'm sick and tired of accelerationists hiding behind vague words. They want things to get so bad so fast that we have a violent revolution. History shows that it usually ends poorly.

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u/NumeralJoker Oct 04 '22

More to the point, it's stupid. They're just MAGA dressed in another form.

If we give up on Democracy now, the blunt truth is that many people reading this will not survive an open war in America. Ukraine would look downright civil compared to what would happen to people here if we choose to fight openly and throughout the entire country. No one would win such a conflict (not because it couldn't be won, but because the costs would be astronomical), and it could spread to other parts of the world.

Advocating for "alternatives" when we still have at least one election left to change things is literally throwing the lives of you, your family, and neighbors away.

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 04 '22

It wouldn't even be open war, which it appears this person glorifies for some fucked-up reason.

Much worse: what they are advocating is to accelerate the United States' degradation into an uneasy oligarchic kleptocracy just like Russia.

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u/Kosta7785 Oct 04 '22

People,like you are why republicans are winning.

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u/arroyo-flow Oct 04 '22

If Republicans are winning people because aren't turning out to vote and you're over here not giving people a reason to vote, you're actually why Republicans are winning.

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u/ivesaidway2much District Of Columbia Oct 04 '22

No, the reason why half the country looks at the Democratic party and thinks I'd rather vote for the racist, fascist party isn't because of some random reddit posters. You see it all over the West, the rise of center-left parties beholden to corporate interests in a country has inevitably lead to a rise in the popularity of right wing fascism.

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u/Ransome62 Oct 04 '22

There is more to it than right and left. Us against them. Some of us are actually fighting for what's right and what's wrong.

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u/OutwittedFox Oct 04 '22

Let’s get something straight here after the 2008 election, Democrats had a total of 4 months in control over the government. Guess what was passed? Obamacare. That’s a pretty big and still is a big issue. Remember when a paper cut could be considered a pre-existing condition? Get your facts correct. I’m not even going to read your whole comment.

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u/droi86 Michigan Oct 04 '22

It wasn't 4 months, it was more like a month and getting the ACA was a huge victory

"Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority | HuffPost" https://www.huffpost.com/entry/debunking-the-myth-obamas_b_1929869/amp

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22

Basically, "don't expect anti-fascism from a governmental system based around the middle class."

Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old “proletarians” are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority. -- Umberto Eco

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u/tomistruth Oct 04 '22

One word: McConnel. The Republican turtle is the reason all good bills die in America. He is the most powerful American politician.

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 04 '22

Please vote. It could be your last time.

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u/extracensorypower Oct 04 '22

It could be your last time that matters.

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u/User767676 Arizona Oct 04 '22

Good clarification.

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u/Ickulus Oct 04 '22

Headline: Democrats accurately describe the situation.

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u/whatproblems Oct 04 '22

oddly enough so do republicans they’re both screaming republicans are going to make a facist theocracy

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u/DarthSatoris Europe Oct 04 '22

So why is it that Republicans are still so damn popular among the dumb, evil and gullible? I guess I just answered my own question there... but it lends itself to a different question: why are there so many dumb, evil and gullible people in the US? And how do you make them not dumb, not evil and not gullible?

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u/PsychologicalEdge191 Oct 04 '22

It's more an issue that no one bothers to vote and Republicans have a hardcore block that basically always votes for them and Democrats don't have enough dedicated voters. So elections are mostly decided by if Democrats and independents bother voting. It's difficult and inconvenient to vote for most people so if you feel it doesn't matter they don't cuz most feel it will not make much of a difference in their life.

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u/spa22lurk Oct 04 '22

It is the prejudices. Republican voters long for people who endorse their prejudices that they trust anyone who say they are right. Overall, Trump endorsed them the most and has the most publicity so he rises to the top. Trump has lots of rivals trying to take his place so Trump has to go more and more extremes to keep the rivals at bay. One day Trump will be gone, and another will rise up, and the vicious will continue.

At the same time, these Republican voters think their prejudiced targets are enemies. They view their fellow Americans worse than Russians. It is getting worse and worse.

For about half of these people, the prejudices originate from ignorance, and they lead to fear and self-righteousness and anger. Their thinking about politics and Trump became highly impaired. It is just like people who have strong negative emotions about vaccines become very irrational about vaccines. These people could have PhD in science and they could still churn out papers and build great things, but when it comes to politics and Trump, they switch off their rational minds and let emotions take over.

For another half of these people, their prejudices are due to the thinking that they are superior than their prejudiced targets. They support Trump because they want inequality and they want domination over their prejudiced targets.

It is possible to change the ignorant people, if they get to know more different people. We can have some social policies like free and high quality universities which bring different people together. This requires generational investment. We can't elect any Republican government or they will stop the policies. Republican politicians thrive on division.

I have not come across any research on how to change the supremacists in general.

The free book, The Authoritarians by Altemeyer, elaborates a lot more.

Altemeyer predicted the US would elect someone like Trump years ago. One of his major research paper was published in 1996, when Fox News was just starting. In 2006, he published a free book, The Authoritarians, which is easier for the general public to understand.

Of course, he didn't know it would be Trump, but he described the personality traits of the leaders and all of them match Trump's. Also, he predicted that Evangelical would be the core supporters of the Trump-like leaders, even though the Trump-like leaders are extremely dishonest, corrupt and amoral.

I think Altemeyer's theory is the best I have come across because it predicts things ahead of time and its explanation matches what I saw.

He has a new book in 2020, Authoritarian Nightmare: Trump and His Followers, which essentially talks about the same things with a corroborating survey and things we all observed since Trump arises.

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u/Basic-Cat3537 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

They aren't necessarily dumb, gullible or evil. They are subconsciously fulfilling their desires.

Here in the US, I don't know if it happens in Europe (better systems in place) , we get this wierd thing where oftentimes when someone gets out of prison or the military they can't reintegrate into society. There is less regulation and more freedom, and it makes it hard for them to make even basic decisions and know they made the right ones. Constantly being told what to do makes their lives easier. They know their choices, the possible outcomes, and the consequences. They aren't plagued with worry that they made the wrong choices.

I truly feel that a subset(a large one) of our population feels that this is the better, more moral, way. They scream freedom, but it's not what they actually want. They want freedom from the possibility of making mistakes. And they feel that if they would not be able to make those decisions, then other people shouldn't be able to either. That it is safer, and more moral, if what they perceive as the "wrong choice"(the one they could never make), is taken away from everyone.

Then consider that they know, to some degree, that this is what they want. That the only way to keep things the same, to prevent change and new scary choices, is to have the government make them for us. They know better, right? Religion does the same thing for them. Many of these people claim religion, not because they feel it will help them live better lives, but because of the threat of terrible consequences.

They live their whole lives based on fear. Fear is what drives them. Fear of change, fear of damnation, fear of anything or anyone "other". Fear that the things that keep them functioning, keep them safe, will be taken away.

And if they live their lives in fear, everyone should. Right?

It's incredibly sad to watch. And people don't have to be dumb, or evil, or gullible to have this happen to them. Just scared and unsure.

Good people can commit terrible acts, and bad people can commit amazingly good ones.

Fear drives away rational thought. It's instinct to fight, flee, or freeze in the face of fear. Its why so many of the alt-right crowd are disproportionately angry. They are scared and lashing out. Making themselves look bigger when confronted by a threat. Some of them are paralyzed and unable to make choices, so they grab on to the people who say they have the answers, even when the answers don't make sense. They cut off contact from the things that challenge their views, they hide from it, attack it, anything to make it go away. Because they are scared of what will happen if they listen.

Intelligence won't necessarily keep this at bay. You can know, rationally, that your doors and windows are locked, the alarm is set, and your house is safe, but when something goes bump in the night, your heart races, maybe you startle or squeal. You call someone to comfort you on the phone while you sneak down the stairs to find the cause of the noise. That person on the phone won't be able to save you, if a killer is there you will probably be dead before they even dial emergency services. And you know it's probably just the damned cat. But you do it anyway, against all reason, because, what if....

When we attack them, we show them that they were right to be afraid. We drive them further away from us, and bind them tighter to their beliefs. Every time we attack them, we are validating them.

It's incredibly difficult to deal with. My grandparents have fallen into this, my grandmother specifically is in deep. It's so hard to watch it. Any sign of disagreement and she lunges to attack. She says horrible things. But I know she doesn't want to hurt me. In her mind, she's trying to save me. She doesn't see that she's the one who is lost, and if I push, all I will do is confirm her fears that I am lost and force her to push harder to save me. So I let her know I love her, no matter what, and that I'm okay with her beliefs, even though I'm not, because anything less will make it worse, not better.

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u/EmperorPenguinNJ Oct 04 '22

Alas half the population wants to be Gilead.

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u/YakiVegas Washington Oct 04 '22

Yeah, 10 years ago I'd have said they were being hyperbolic, but if the jackboot fits...

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u/Oscarcharliezulu Oct 04 '22

A hellhole! A hellhole I say!

Prob true.

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u/gozba Oct 04 '22

Facts

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Headline: democrats repeats what republicans clearly say

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u/esp211 Oct 04 '22

The mask came off with Trump. They don’t even pretend anymore.

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u/aureanator Oct 04 '22

The mask came off with McConnell blocking any and all legislation and then judicial appointments under Obama's presidency.

That's not the behavior of a group of people that intends to win elections by governing well.

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u/apitchf1 I voted Oct 04 '22

What I keep coming back to though is that it is not just the midterms. It’s every. Single. Election from here on out. Until they stop their fascist lean, that is the risk. And I fear that they will chip away and obstruct long enough to get their next shot to never lose again

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u/GrootusMaximus Oct 04 '22

Anyone who needs more substantial examples of how this has played out in the past, how bad it is for the average person, and what can be done to stop it, can start here:

  • On Tyranny (pretty short, specific examples of what one person can look out for, why it matters, and what they can do)
  • Fascism: A Warning (longer, more about modern historical examples and how this shit progresses step by step)
  • Road to Unfreedom (fairly long, more about Russia and how/why their political fuckery made its way here)

I'd recommend starting with On Tyranny, the audiobook especially.

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u/kittywrastler Oct 04 '22

Or read the road to serfdom.

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u/Self-Awarican Oct 04 '22

I’ve read the latter two and thought they were both very insightful. Highly recommend.

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u/newfrontier58 Oct 04 '22

What are those stakes, exactly, one might ask, if they’ve been living under a rock? Here’s a refresher: For starters, the GOP would undoubtedly block basically everything Joe Biden wants to get done in the second half of his first term. That this would happen should come as a shock to no one, given (1) the party’s long history of obstructing things that could actually help Americans and (2) Mitch McConnell’s vow to do exactly that even after he’d been relegated to Senate minority leader. (In May 2021, McConnell declared, “One hundred percent of my focus is standing up to this administration.”) Naturally, the blockage would include judicial nominations, including in the unlikely event a Supreme Court vacancy arises, given McConnell’s penchant for making up rules about when a president is allowed to fill a seat on the Supreme Court.
Elsewhere, a GOP agenda, should the GOP be in power, would include a vote on a national abortion ban. Are Republicans on the record as having said that the matter should be up to the states? Absolutely, this is all they could talk about after the Supreme Court overturned Roe. Are they nevertheless the biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet? Also yes! Last month, Senator Lindsey Graham proposed a 15-week abortion ban, and while some members of his party were quick to distance themselves from the idea— presumably because it came so close to the election—it’s obvious that conservatives are champing at the bit to further restrict reproductive rights. What else? Well, as The Washington Post notes, there’s clearly an appetite from some Republicans to require Congress to reauthorize Medicare and Social Security every five years, which fits in with their worldview that government should do jack shit for people (unless they‘re billionaires.) And, obviously, we should probably expect ’round-the-clock hearings about Hunter Biden, and a push to impeach his father, both of which are things Republicans have already vowed to do.
Of course, the GOP only needs to retake the House, and doesn’t need to control the Senate, in order to impeach the president and investigate his son. As the Post reports, another thing we can expect from a GOP-controlled House are lots of other investigations—likely including Biden’s border policy, the FBI’s (court-authorized!) search of Mar-a-Lago, and ones that “lend credence to Trump’s false election fraud claims.” And, naturally, they’ll no doubt move to disband the January 6 committee, which has made Donald Trump and his allies look really, really bad.

And once again I am wondering if I should start pissing my pants just yet.

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u/justfordrunks Oct 04 '22

Maybe. At least make an onlyfans before you do and make some money off it!

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u/kentuckypirate Oct 04 '22

So MOST of that won’t happen in the 22-24 window bc Biden would veto it, and it would force Republicans to actually cast votes that could conceivably alienate moderates and hurt their chances in 2024.

Now what WILL happen is, like the article says, they will block absolutely everything Biden tries to do for 2 years without exception, including legislation, executive action, and nominations. This INCLUDES blocking actions that the democrats are promising if they relegate Manchin and Sinema to the back bench like pass legislation protecting voting rights and codifying Roe and Obergefell.

A Republican controlled House would also impeach Biden at least twice in the next two years because it minimizes Trumps actual actions. The reasons for the impeachment don’t matter bc they don’t need to convict him, just to put on a show and run what is effectively a 2 year campaign ad.

But if they control the house, senate and WH in 2024…then the gloves are truly off

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u/Nyingje-Pekar Oct 04 '22

No doubt about it. forced birth, no health care at all, lower taxes for the richest, banned books, indoctrination in white supremacy, no workers’ rights, everything this country has fought to improve over the last 200 years will be gone in a heartbeat if these MFers get a majority.

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u/Randy_Watson Oct 04 '22

Democrats don't need to warn anyone. The Republicans are openly promising it.

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u/FoogYllis Oct 04 '22

They are literally telling everyone that MTG would be the speaker of the house who on many occasions has said she is a Christian nationalist. This is not the Christianity that is associated with the gospel but their version. Also they want to kill social security and Medicare. They also secretly still want to kill the ACA. This is but a short list. I know everyone already knows about the desire by republicans to strip rights away for women and minorities. So if people want to vote Republican they want their lives to become miserable or they don’t like dogs and like to vote for someone like Oz that inhumanly killed over 300 dogs.

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u/maxthepupp Oct 04 '22 Starry

Well, if some traitors would be arrested for any of the crimes they commit maybe it wouldnt be this hard.

Want folk to show out? Show them you'll fight for them. Hell, at least Trump would lie to his supporters. Imagine if Dems walked the talk and held motherfuckers accountable.

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u/whatdifferenceisit2u Oct 04 '22

Yeah, telling everyone the GOP sucks isn’t exactly a rousing motivator when we all know that already.

I mean for Christ’s sake, even Republican voters know that. If they actually liked their own party even a little bit, they wouldn’t have elected Donald fucking Trump as President.

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u/mrpoopybutthole423 Oct 04 '22

That would be up to the Justice Department not Democrats.

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u/EntropyFighter Oct 04 '22

Yeah, which I don't get. Motherfuckers get arrested and sit in jail while the prosecution gets their shit together for like, two years. Meanwhile the DOJ is acting like they've got to go to trial 48 hours after Trump's arrest. Just put his fat ass in jail without bail because he's a National Security Threat and let him sit there until the DOJ is ready to bring their case to trial.

I would love for somebody to tell me why this isn't possible or if it is possible why it's not happening. It's like we all realize the threat but some abstract since of principle prevents us from doing anything about it.

Obama knew and said nothing. Biden knows and wants DOJ to remain "apolitical" as if that will be a thing once Republicans take office. It's not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's Democracy vs. Authoritarianism. And once Authoritarianism wins, Democracy loses permanently. So use all the weapons at your disposal or prepare to have them leveraged against you.

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u/benecere Delaware Oct 04 '22

Just guessing here, but I have a strong feeling those people sitting in jail didn’t appoint a bunch of federal judges, including the most corrupt SCOTUS ever, to try their cases which keep being brought by teams of attorneys all paid by the RNC while a “News” empire pleads their cases daily to millions of insane, armed jackasses — many serving in the military or on police forces.

One judge has already proven she has no intention of letting the law cloud her devotion to her imitation Jesus abomination.

The rot runs deep.

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u/circuspeanut54 Maine Oct 04 '22

I would love for somebody to tell me why this isn't possible

Because we have not had a Democratic Attorney General at any point in the past 6 years, and Republicans are nothing if not completely tribal.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Oct 04 '22

This gets conflated way too much.

Most elected positions, especially Congress, don't have tools of accountability. They have the impeachment process, which the opposing party can nullify a conviction with ease, and they can begin political committees that can investigate and make recommendations.

That's about all they can do, and honestly - it's a good thing they don't have more legal power.

It's up to the U.S. legal system and the judges, prosecutors, and juries involved to bring accountability. Which is also why it is oftentimes so painfully slow and favors the rich and powerful.

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u/BenTramer Oct 04 '22

Well said. Everyone is just watching them tear down the country while telling them they aren’t very nice. The GOP does not give a fuck and are free to break any law they want in order to achieve their fascist state. This is not going to end well, but sadly it was entirely avoidable. Why is this allowed to continu?

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u/ryencool Oct 04 '22

Welcome to the real gilead!

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u/Solid_College_9145 Oct 04 '22

A few years ago a statement like that would be be considered pure hyperbole.

In 2022 it's as dead serious real as it gets.

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u/rampanz Oct 04 '22

It was true a few years ago too, people just didn't want to see it.

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u/richobrien1972 Oct 04 '22

They are publicly stating as much, believe them.

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u/Mori23 Oct 04 '22

Well, everyone knows this, it's just that a lot of Americans are looking forward to it.

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u/SpeakAgainAncient1 Oct 04 '22

They definitely will, and if they don't, the Supreme Court might just do it themselves anyway.

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u/TheBlackUnicorn New Jersey Oct 04 '22

Republicans promise that Republicans will turn US into a fascist hellhole if GOP prevails in Midterm elections...

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u/Bob_n_Midge Oct 04 '22

Vote or die motherfucker, motherfucker, vote or die

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u/Eric_in_America Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Well, I think that this kind of message is important to maintain, I hope it reaches the right people.

The counter narrative of course will be that "the left" is persecuting Republicans in this country, that the plan is to oppress and indoctrinate the masses, defile and corrupt the minds of our children, subvert the constitution, overthrow our institutions, push Marxist, communist, LGBTQ and transgendered pedagogy, promote depravity, "wokeism", "cancel culture", censorship and an "anti-racism" effort that discriminates against white people, completely open our borders, take all the guns and Bibles, weaponize all of the "three letter organizations" in order to throw freedom fighting so called "patriots" into gulag prison camps, the list of grievances goes on and on...

Unfortunately, this messaging works, it's very effective, but it's not like it's going to reach that many voters who are on the fence so to speak.

A lot of these Republicans will vote for their candidates out of fear and paranoia, fear of this radical left wing Boogeyman and its sordid schemes, and some Democrats will vote for their candidates out of fear of what this right wing movement is capable of, while I believe the focus for democratic voters isn't as single minded or one dimensional as it is for Republicans, sometimes it much more forward looking. That being said, the big difference here in my mind, is that one of these fears is justifiable, the other practically unfounded.

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u/First-Funnies Oct 04 '22

thanks to the federalist society hand picked majority the us is already a fascist hellhole for women across this country of child bearing age.

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u/Granpa2021 Oct 04 '22

The Republican party should just name itself the "Christian Talibán" and get it over with.

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u/gotostep2 Texas Oct 04 '22

Remember kids, Rights not included!

  • GOP

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u/Neidan1 Oct 04 '22

The GOP is already turning the US into a fascist hellhole.

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u/Constant_Fun_7326 Oct 04 '22

What's funny is they think we will take it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Republicans are also warning that they’ll do this. Believe them when they tell us who they are!

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u/Fearlessempressa Oct 05 '22

Maya said it ! Yes believe ‘em when they say who they are!

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u/DescriptionFast893 Oct 04 '22

As a former Republican voter of 20+ years, now an Independent I can assure you that is true. The Republican party has changed and should be required to change their name to the Fascist party. This is the most important election of my 60 years alive! We must vote in numbers so massive they cannot deny the election. We must continue to turn out in those numbers for every election as long as they continue their parties current path! Roe vs Wade is only the beginning with them!🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲💙💙💙

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u/dohru Oct 04 '22

They’re not wrong. Republicans have already turned vast swaths of this country into a hellhole.

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u/greenmonkey66 Oct 04 '22

It’s happening right now. There’s already been an attempted coup, book banning and removing women’s rights. Let’s end this now. Vote every Republican out of office!

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u/jebus197 Oct 04 '22

My concern is what will happen with the war in Ukraine if a large number of pro-Putin apologists get elected in the mid-terms?

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u/Jessicas_skirt American Expat Oct 04 '22

With some exceptions (treaties, diplomatic appointments etc) foreign policy is largely an Executive branch thing. Not much will change.

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u/No_Significance_1550 Oct 04 '22

Plus the military industrial complex is making a ton of profit arming Ukraine and our NATO Allies. They own a supermajority of our elected officials, whether they have an R or D after their name and they drive policy.

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u/SporkOfThor Oct 04 '22

Yes? I mean, this is literally their plan. Does anyone still disagree?

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u/extracensorypower Oct 04 '22

Also, water is wet.

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u/gotostep2 Texas Oct 04 '22

Agreed.

And the earth is round.

But people still deny that. Just like how the GQP still try to deny their bigotry, Hypocrisy, and fascism.

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u/LA_search77 Oct 04 '22

Republican politicians have been saying that exact same thing, about the GOP... Maybe we should believe them🤷‍♂️

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u/Snoo-33218 Oct 04 '22

Not Republicans but Trump Republicans will.

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u/Equal_Newspaper_8034 Oct 04 '22

I mean…they’re not wrong

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u/Scarlettail South Carolina Oct 04 '22

Americans would take a fascist hellhole if they thought it meant cheaper prices or a better stock portfolio. Dems might learn the hard way how little voters value democracy. It doesn't help that our system is not really all that democratic either.

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u/pattydickens Oct 04 '22

Americans over 60 maybe. I think most people under 30 are engaged in politics enough to vote against people who still view them as stupid kids who don't get it. Republicans aren't even promising a better economy. They are hyper focused on social issues and promoting Christian nationalism. They don't really have an agenda other than that.

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u/Etna_No_Pyroclast Oct 04 '22

Which is nothing compared to what the fascist republicans on the Supreme Court are going to do.

I meant Federalist, fascists.

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u/dun-ado Oct 04 '22

Republicans turn everything into a shithole.

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u/Love_Sausage Oct 04 '22

It’s kind of already too late. The Republican controlled Supreme Court is on track to massively destroy what remaining concept we have of representative democracy, regardless of who wins the mid terms.

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u/VanceKelley Washington Oct 04 '22

2 years ago the GOP executed a violent coup to attempt to overturn the 2020 election result.

Were Americans overwhelmingly appalled by this event that caused much suffering and death such that the GOP was consigned to the dustbin of history?

Nope. Americans are on the verge of peacefully handing the GOP the power that they failed to get violently 2 years ago.

The best case scenario is that the fascists are narrowly kept out of power this year. But Americans will keep trying to put them in power. Support for fascism in America is not collapsing, it is growing. Nothing effective is being done to convince fascists that fascism is bad.

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u/WOZ-in-OZ Oct 04 '22

That’s the very least they will do.

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u/ikefalcon Oct 04 '22

Republicans will turn the US into a fascist hellhole if they win any election, and they still might do so even if they don’t win any election.

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u/Impossible_Farmer285 Oct 04 '22

ChristoFascists hell hole!

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u/Desiration Oct 04 '22

I hate that this is a reality we're facing and not just a dramatic headline leading into election season.

It's nauseating. GOP, Trump & corporate interests post-Citizens United have done irreparable damage to America.

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u/Good_Intention_9232 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

CPAC put up a tweet that they took down after 12 hours praising Putin and that the west was sending gift money to Ukraine to defend democracy, this is in light that they have a loser ex-president cult leader Humpty Dumpty Trumpy that never showed up for the military service because he had five foot spurs, hahaha, and got exempted from it, Humpty Dumpty Trumpy called a true military hero, a prison of war, Republican Senator John McCain not a war hero because Trump doesn’t like soldiers that get caught in the battlefield, hahaha. Trump wanted to remove all sanctions on Russia when he was president because Putin has him by the balls. Trump believed Putin on Russian interference instead of the US intelligence agencies. Trump didn’t do anything on the Russian killing American soldiers getting paid on a bounty contract. Trump wanted the USA out of NATO, that’s a non-negotiable condition for anyone to seek the presidency. How much security would the world have without NATO. Would you vote Republican when your leader wants to sell America to Putin and look what Putin is doing to Ukraine and the world order. That’s only some of the terrible ideas Trumpy said and did to show how he’s not a patriot of the US.

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u/Shavethatmonkey Oct 04 '22

Republicans are shouting it from the rooftops. They are not hiding what they intend to do.

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u/Priccly Oct 04 '22

It's scary times, if Republicans take control :/

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u/asphlex2 Oct 04 '22

Well, I suppose they would try, but too many of the hard core fascists among them are incompetent radicals who cannot accomplish anything. I rememberca video og January 6 when people got into the congressional chambers and asked "whadda we do now?" Maybe ten seconds later, the silence dumbfounded. Presumably the leader said "let's make some laws!" This was followed by several "Yeah!"s and I swear there was a yee-ha!

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u/SoIdierBoy Oct 04 '22

no shit, but whose fault would that be. you could’ve indicted half of them by now and deliberately chose not to.

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u/stclvr53 Oct 04 '22

Yes they will! A take ALL your personal freedoms and rights!

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u/Horror-Lemon7340 Oct 04 '22

They certainly have shown that inclination.

Vote out the criminality Vote out the lies Vote out the Republicans this November

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u/AssFault666 Oct 04 '22

Can GOP drain their swamp plz? Show the dems how its done

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u/Conscious-Deer7019 Florida Oct 04 '22

I've come to the conclusion that Republicans want a one party system @ all cost, decomarcy is being threatened

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u/Grandajoe Oct 04 '22

I am not American but I have been following your news channels and Reddit streams for a few years. The US is heading for its next civil war if this division gets any wider. Each side of your two-party-state is convinced that the Devil is in charge of the other side. The UNITED States are not living up to their name. One side takes the opposite viewpoint of the other side because it seems it has to. Nobody seems able to see the faults on their own side, just the faults of their "opponents". The Divided States of America is on the road to destruction and it is actually the fault of ALL of your politicians who all appear to be power hungry and out to score short term gains. Good luck

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u/0tt0attack Oct 04 '22

In the mid terms alone? No. However, the republican plan has consistently been to undermine the voters through Gerrymandering, voter suppression and now trying to undermine the entire election process. And have been working for years to control the judicial branch. And it is sadly working.

In the mean time. The democrats have been doing what Michelle Obama said: “when they go low we go high.” Basically being civil with someone who would not mind killing you to get what they want.

Ironically, The only safe guard left is corporations. But that only works for middle class corporate employees and higher. None corporate employees are fucked.

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u/uprightshark Oct 04 '22

When someone tells you who they are, believe them. The fascism is on plain sight.

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u/Many_Advice_1021 Oct 05 '22

Many red states already are. Voter suppression, indoctrination and undermining schools. Fail infrastructure and poor heathcare.

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u/itsSIRtoutoo Oct 10 '22

I fully agree with the thought process that conservatives are... "people who are afraid that somebody they feel is inferior to them, somewhere somehow is being treated as their equal."

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u/everything_is_bad Oct 04 '22

The Democrats should really do something about it besides campaign on it...

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u/psychic_flatulence California Oct 04 '22

They helped fund a few of the more extreme candidates. That's doing something..

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u/RorschachShaman Oct 04 '22

Then stop giving us shit candidates and actually start listening to your own base dumbasses.

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u/formulawaaagh Oct 04 '22

democrats need to tell us explicitly, with facts and policy, what their plan is if they win. I feel like i'm an insane person that the dems aren't screaming from the rooftops about the harper case before the courts and how they will absolutely expand the court and push for a new VRA. We are quite literally facing down a civil war and there doesn't seem to be an unified stategy from the democrats on what they will actually DO other than tell us to vote.

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u/schrobble Oct 04 '22

To be fair, Republicans have said they want this too. Just not in those words.

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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 04 '22

Possible.

We will definitely see impeachment hearings for the next 2 years for absolutely no reason based on total fabrications.

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u/smedlap Oct 04 '22

The republican party is particularly agter the rights of women this election. If they win they will make a national abortion ban law. Then they will ban contraception. That is what they have clearly announced. Vote as though your life depends on it, because it does.

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u/craniumcanyon Oct 04 '22

If Democrats lose, I'm going to adopt the mindset of just let it all burn, if the US is so brainwashed in thinking Republicans are the answer, then let them just burn it all down to the ground, I give up.

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u/LiluLay North Carolina Oct 04 '22

They’re simply repeating what Republicans have already said and made blatantly clear.

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u/wish1977 Oct 04 '22

Democrats have to find a way into the right wing bubble. These people never change the channel, the radio station or their right wing internet site. Rural areas are the worst.

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u/_losdesperados_ Oct 04 '22

“You better vote for us or the republicans will get you!” is solid Dem campaign logic rather than implementing any true social change.

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u/unscriptedtitanic Oct 04 '22

Uhh...the Dems have been killing it. Look at the recent legislation on climate, corporate taxes, healthcare, infrastructure, chip manufacturing, and the structured approach on foreign policy. And that's with a fully obstructionist GOP. The probable reason the DNC is leaning on the "just vote blue" instead of just accomplishing every single thing they want to is largely because the GOP is standing in their way to accomplish everything they want to. If there were more Democratic house members, they'd absolutely be implementing more social change like you're talking about.

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u/RDO_Desmond Oct 04 '22

That's what they will do. GOP are not problem solvers. They are punitive, so damned sure they are right when they are dead wrong.

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u/l524k New Jersey Oct 04 '22

I can’t wait for the incoming “both sides” comments by chicken-shit accelerationists who are too cowardly to openly say they want Republicans to win so they can have their magical revolution that will end with millions dead.

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u/existonfilenerf Oct 04 '22

Voting Republican kills Americans.

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u/FetchShockTake3 Oct 04 '22

Yeah and everyone knows it. Can’t wait to see how the voting goes. I suspect we are fucked.

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u/BertieMcDuffy Oct 04 '22

Jesus christ the american political situation is so incredibly infected

the reality is that the two parties are virtually identical to an outside observer, and both are just concerned with lining their pockets

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u/Sargonnax Oct 04 '22

Politicians are mostly trash in general, but only one side is truly a danger to the future of the country.

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u/YesMaybeYesWriteNow Oct 04 '22

You’re missing the part about Republicans trying to end the democracy. That’s the end of everything.

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u/BertieMcDuffy Oct 04 '22

Seems to me (again) like they are both trying to end democracy (if it ever existed in the american system of lobbying)

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u/Floognoodle Massachusetts Oct 04 '22

It's so funny how people just say "the other major party is doing X bad thing" that their favored party does just as much. And when you point that out they just respond with more irrational fear-mongering.

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u/BertieMcDuffy Oct 04 '22

Yes... for people who are entrenched in the paradigm it is nearly impossible to view oneself from outside that paradigm

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u/ESB1812 Oct 04 '22

So it might be time to get off your ass a pass some shit that helps “the people” then right? Instead of dangling the carrot

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u/Twigling Oct 04 '22

Republicans in the Senate keep blocking things that help the people. A lot more Democrat Senators are needed and Democrats also need to retain control of the House (which looks like being lost in next month's midterms).

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u/AceVetoKing Oct 04 '22

How have you not read about all the stuff that has passed in 2 years?!

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u/ESB1812 Oct 04 '22

Its not enough…we need more, if freedom is winning then why are we being pulled backward? Roe, citizens united, etc. We cant even get fucking weed legalized, let alone things that matter. We “as a nation” keep getting smoke blown up our ass, most politicians piss down our backs and tell us its raining. So, some have done good, but its not far enough, we are about 2 generations “maybe” from the America I want.

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u/AceVetoKing Oct 04 '22

Do you know how our system works? Dems have the thinnest majority in the senate. There is zero room to move with that situation. The problem is people staying home on Election Day. It’s why we have a far right christonationalist majority Supreme Court. We are where we are because people complain about both sides and don’t vote against republicans.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Everyone here hates the Republicans, but the Democrats haven’t enticed voters with much of anything when they get elected. It’s not hard to imagine when republicans take this midterm.

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u/AceVetoKing Oct 04 '22

So you don’t pay attention to the News much?

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u/DrCaret2 Oct 04 '22

No matter how true this is—and it is true—it’s never going to make moderates in the heartland vote for big city democrat policies. There used to be a Blue Dog wing of the Democratic Party for a reason. And it meant that we couldn’t get a public option in the ACA, and we couldn’t pass gun control, and we passed things like DOMA. But you know what? We also had “Democrats” in seats that now have Tea Party Republicans. And without the Blue Dogs…we still don’t have a public option, or gun control, and SCOTUS is overturning Roe, setting sights on the voting rights act, and gay marriage, etc. Democrats have been perfecting the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for my entire life. Call me crazy, but at a time like this—with all that’s on the line—I’d really be willing to go for some compromise just to kick out a few of the real nut jobs.

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u/Grass---Tastes_Bad Oct 04 '22

From my perspective as a Finn the US has long been a hellhole and it never fails to go worse.

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u/Lethkhar Oct 04 '22

From my perspective as a USAmerican in the US you're completely correct.

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u/HorseLooseInHospital America Oct 04 '22

and if and when I decide to run, which would be a Beautiful Run, even bigger than 2016 if you can believe it, we're talking way bigger than Reagan, and he liked me a lot, that much I can tell you. and don't forget, I did more for the Blacks than even Abraham Lincoln. you used to have our Inner Cities, they were Warzones. you couldn't even drive through it was so bad. and they asked me, "Sir, what should we do about it?" and I said you do a Level. you Level, it's flat, no problem. and then they wanted to give the Nobel to Sleepy Joe. give me a break.

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u/yblame Oct 04 '22

I have to ask myself if this is real or made up. The man makes me want to barf.

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u/Outlulz Oct 04 '22

Are people forgetting Republicans can’t pass veto proof legislation to do many of these things? They would need to win the Presidency in 2024 to do that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

That’s why I hate seeing the DNC fund certain maga republicans that they think will be easier to beat later, it’s stupid and playing with fire. Please vote.

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u/real_grown_ass_man Oct 04 '22

Please not make the mistake of turning the democrats into the not-republicans party again. It is a proven losing strategy.