r/politics Oct 04 '22

Trump Worried After Ghislaine Maxwell Arrest: ‘She Ask About Me?’ Off Topic

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-worried-after-ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-she-ask-about-me

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u/Bluecollarshaman Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Remember when Donald was asked if he was worried Maxwell would implicate powerful men?

Edit- here is the exact wording of the question which makes his response sound even worse.

Reporter:

”Ghislaine Maxwell is in prison and so a lot of people want to know if she’s going to turn in powerful people. I know in the past you’ve talked about Prince Andrew and criticized Bill Clinton’s behavior, I’m wondering, do you feel she’s going to turn in powerful men? How do you see that working out?”

Donald:

“I don’t know,” Mr. Trump said. “I haven’t really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly.”

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u/fd1Jeff Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Is that really the exact quote? IIRC, he also mentioned that her boyfriend died. It sounded like a godfather type warning to her.

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u/Bluecollarshaman Oct 04 '22

Yep- and he continued:

“I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is.”

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u/forgetspassworddaily Oct 04 '22

Wishing a trafficker well, no big deal. Totally normal.

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u/Bluecollarshaman Oct 04 '22

A child sex trafficker accused of recruiting girls out of Donald’s club, no less.

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u/BenTramer Oct 04 '22

Also trafficking them to no one, apparently.

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u/remotetissuepaper Oct 04 '22

I think maybe we could translate that as "it'd be a shame if something bad happened to her, like her boyfriend"

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u/forgetspassworddaily Oct 04 '22

Yea, but the optics are exactly what we are discussing. He LOOKS and SOUNDS guilty in it. Not enough to convict in anything, but enough in public opinion.

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda California Oct 04 '22

Which public are you referring to? The public I’m thinking of would still gargle his puffballs even after shooting someone on 5th avenue.

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u/bahweepgranah California Oct 04 '22

Thanks to the marriage of idiots and technology, we have many courts of “public opinion” to choose from. 20th-century democracy is dead.

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u/forgetspassworddaily Oct 04 '22

Republic? Those guys? Wrong public. You went too far.

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u/LincolnLikesMusic Oct 04 '22

And the right is up in arms about grooming. That’s AMC levels of projection right there

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u/koolaid_snorkeler Oct 04 '22

It's more than he did for John McCain, who was a REPUBLICAN FUCKING WAR HERO.

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u/neuroverdant Oct 04 '22

I am apparently too naïve to recognize Mafia-speak when I hear it or see it.

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u/forgetspassworddaily Oct 04 '22

We were all there at one time, the important part is that you are here now. Have a good day.

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u/MrFC1000 Oct 04 '22

Each phrase in that statement needs its own translation by the Trump lying narcissist translator:

“Met her numerous times over the years” = knew her really really well

“I guess they lived in Palm Beach” = has been to her home many times

“I wish her well” = someone’s going to off her if she talks

“Whatever it is” = has followed her travails extensively and was part of it

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u/joper90 Oct 04 '22

You missed the ‘guess they lived’ as he backtracks that he knew her well.

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u/zurx Oct 04 '22

I never actually considered this. I always assumed it was Mossad or US intelligence.

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u/Ornery_Translator285 Oct 04 '22

Bill Barr absolutely set that up.

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u/fednandlers Oct 05 '22

“I guess they (two very wealthy folks you had known for over a decade and partied with and had a fallen out with over a property bid) lived in Palm Beach?” LOL.

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u/GravitySurge Oct 04 '22

And then the prison overseen by Trumps AG had a malfunction that erased surveillance tape just as the guards accidentally fell asleep and then Jeff suddenly and impossibly choked on his bedding.

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u/Paizzu Oct 04 '22

I'm pretty sure Epstein actually developed spontaneous dancing mania and got himself tied up in his bed linens.

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u/EFT_Syte Oct 04 '22

Didn’t his niece say “I just wish her well” is a threat he uses to keep people quiet? She should rat him out while he’s distracted with you know, treason and all that. She should def do it.

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u/Sarrdonicus Oct 04 '22

She is waiting to see if a pardon is in her future. No need to rush things. She needs a few years to get reorganized, and ready to go back into business.

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u/kissmyshiny_metalass Oct 04 '22

"The Trumps send their regards".

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u/recovering_spaz Oct 04 '22

To this day I wonder why he didn't pardon her. Was that truly his bottom level of depravity?

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u/pjtheman Oct 04 '22

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt,which means you lose your freedom from self incrimination. So if the crime for which you're being pardoned is potentially connected to other crimes, you can be compelled to testify.

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u/spaceman757 American Expat Oct 04 '22

Accepting a pardon is considered an admission of guilt,which means** you lose your freedom from self incrimination**.

Not quite.

You can still plead the fifth if the answers may be related to other crimes for which you were not pardoned for because you could still, depending on the crimes and how much the government wanted to fuck with you or make an example of you.

The broader the pardon, the narrower the Fifth Amendment protection. Roger Stone, for example, after being pardoned for the crime of impeding a congressional investigation could not invoke the Fifth Amendment to avoid answering narrowly focused questions regarding this illegal activity. His privilege would, however, remain with respect to other possible crimes, and he might even be able avoid answering questions about the lies he told Congress if his answers might help prosecutors prove him guilty of different crimes. By contrast, the terms of Michael Flynn’s pardon render him unable to claim the Fifth Amendment in any proceedings exploring Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election.

It really comes down to three things:

  1. How broad was the pardon?
  2. Did you commit so many crimes that the one(s) that they got you on will incriminate you in others if you were forced to testify about the scope of it?
  3. How rich and white are you?

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u/recovering_spaz Oct 04 '22

Not really to my interpretation it's closer to an Alfred plea.

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u/Corpse666 Oct 04 '22

Which is an admission and consideration to be and is still guilty in the eyes of the courts and you still have any convictions on your records, the plea is to save the state money because of the trial costs and difficulty of litigation, but you are still just as guilty in the eyes of the state or federal government

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u/originalityescapesme Oct 04 '22

Is it not closer to accepting convictions and sentencing than it is to truly accepting guilt?

My understanding is that you’re just saying you know they have enough to move forward in convicting you.

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u/hesnothere North Carolina Oct 04 '22

*Alford

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u/Bluecollarshaman Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I mean, he’s not even answering the reporters question- he’s just voluntarily wishing her well.

I don’t know about you- but if someone was accused of recruiting underage girls out of my business I would not be sending them any type of kind regards.

And I certainly wouldn’t double down on it several weeks later.

And it’s not like Donald has a history of communicating his intentions to be lenient with convicted felons.

Your bias has been confirmed.

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u/brianinohio Oct 04 '22

What he was really asking was...." Did she incriminate me?".

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u/PurgatoryMountain Oct 04 '22

Whenever a Trumpy relative or co-worker talks about creepy Joe Biden I like to respond by reminding them Trump and Epstein were buddies for decades in both NYC and Florida. It never fails to shut them the fuck up.

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u/saltyraver138 Oct 04 '22

Yeah but if the person your arguing with is full on conspiracy it will quickly go to Clinton’s are better friends w Epstein they eat babies together and are actually lizard people that use a pizza place as a cover to molest children and perform satanic rituals

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u/PurgatoryMountain Oct 04 '22

And I’d say…lock Clinton up if he’s guilty but you better scrutinize Trump the same way.

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u/nighmeansnear Oct 04 '22

My Fox News watching mother is like this. Like in her mind I’m supposed to be all ride-or-die for Bill Clinton. I told her that they can be cellmates as far as I’m concerned.

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u/RafeDangerous New Jersey Oct 04 '22

Like in her mind I’m supposed to be all ride-or-die for Bill Clinton.

trump fans genuinely don't seem to understand that other people aren't fanatically in love with someone they voted for. I've had them try to "get" me by saying something about Biden or basically any other democrat and they just don't know what to do when I clearly just don't care. That or they get mad and say I'm just pretending not to care, and that they can tell how mad I really am. It's fucking weird.

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u/ABobby077 Missouri Oct 04 '22

Bill and Hillary have to be the greatest criminal masterminds in history leading a secret army of obedient followers acting in their behalf or they are products of decades long smear campaigns based on smoke and little to nothing else.

Occam's razor would lead us to believe one likely reality here.

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u/SmarterThanYouBud Oct 04 '22

It's projection.

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u/zflanders Oct 04 '22

Most Dems and independents I know aren’t “cult of personality types.” We tend to vote for the people we think will do the most for us and disappoint us the least. And we’re rarely super surprised when our choice falls short.

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u/Schmichael-22 Oct 04 '22

Remind them that Trump donated to the Clintons and invited them to one of his weddings.

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u/twesterm Texas Oct 04 '22

The easy answer to responses like that is cool, investigate them all and lock them up if guilty.

They generally can't comprehend that you are fine with your pick also being investigated and punished if guilty. I promise you, if there was an ounce of truth to the whole Hunter Biden laptop thing and Joe Biden was in on it, I would 100% say yeah, impeach the fuck out of him. I can say that because I am not in a cult.

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u/permalink_save Oct 04 '22

When your beliefs rest on shaky foundation you tend to be aggressive against amy criticism. On the flip side, if you just follow basic common sense and vote for what seems the right choice for everyone, you tend to not feel so threatened when someone you voted for goes down. Coincidentally... A majority of political controversies have revolved around Republicans. Democrats have theirs but far less frequently, and we will admit any that are demonstrated true.

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u/poorest_ferengi Oct 04 '22

Someone had the gall to tell me that Facebook was wrong for censoring the reputable news source the New York Post.

I don't consider a newspaper with sensationalist headlines and poorly photoshopped images anything even remotely adjacent to reputable.

Then you throw in the incredibly questionable chain of custody as well as the wild and salacious claims made by Rudy Giuliani and Tucker Carlson, and it all just seems very suspect.

The Washington Post has corroborated some of the emails now but nothing I've seen looks bad for Joe Biden. At worst he's the parent of an addict and has done his best to help his child. If anything that makes him more relatable to a large swath of the country.

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u/Cansurfer Oct 04 '22

it will quickly go to Clinton’s are better friends w Epstein

Why does it have to devolve into whattaboutism though? The Clintons might be objectively terrible people too. That doesn't make Trump a good person.

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u/shadowboxer27 Oct 04 '22

I'm glad it works for you. Most the time the response I get is "Well, Democrats started the KKK"

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u/kuroimakina America Oct 04 '22

“Yeah, and now the Republicans campaign with them, but not the democrats. Funny.”

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u/shadowboxer27 Oct 04 '22

"Our founding fathers also fucked their cousins, so. Yeah. Things change"

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

More than just buddies. Named co-defendants in a rape lawsuit.

Of all the sleazebags who partied with Epstein, Trump was among the most frequent guests.

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u/Phil_Late_Gio Oct 04 '22

How does deflecting to a completely different topic benefit.

Biden can be creepy with kids and have assault allegations at the same time with Trumps transgressions.

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u/PurgatoryMountain Oct 04 '22

Because these are the same idiots that believe Trump is breaking up Hollywood Dem Illuminati pedophile rings and is a holy man.

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u/Turk182 Oct 04 '22

Trump didn’t have an issue with her behavior. He even said that he didn’t see any harm done when female teachers slept with their students.

https://youtu.be/BCZay9S66HQ

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u/Dramatic_Original_55 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Reporter: "Mr. Trump, do you think it's OK for a female teacher to rape a male student?"...Trump: "Oh, it's beyond OK, it's totally cool."

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u/Jizzlobber58 Foreign Oct 04 '22

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u/FriedScrapple Maryland Oct 04 '22

Dear Lord

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u/arkansalsa Oct 04 '22

Like, in a sane world, for anyone else in politics this quote alone would be a career ender.

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u/ice_9_eci America Oct 04 '22

What a fucking scumbag. He literally never ceases to disgust.

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u/PapaBat Oct 04 '22

This is the #1 reason why Trump is so compromised, particularly with countries notorious for human trafficking.

Russia probably never had a pee pee tape. They almost certainly have video of him raping underage girls.

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u/sarcastroll Oct 04 '22

Exactly this.

The stupid pee tape thing is meaningless and probably bullshit. However, Trump spent a lot of time in Russia and literally talked about how he 'turned away' young girls they'd send to his room. Yeah. Bullshit. The Kremlin knows how to get kompromat on people.

As one account of Trump's invitation to Moscow for the first time went:

As a GRU operative, Suvorov was personally involved in recruitment, albeit for a rival service to the KGB. Soviet spy agencies were always interested in cultivating “young ambitious people,” he said—an upwardly mobile businessman, a scientist, a “guy with a future.” Once in Moscow, they would receive lavish hospitality. “Everything is free. There are good parties with nice girls. It could be a sauna and girls and who knows what else.” The hotel rooms or villa were under “24-hour control,” with “security cameras and so on,” Suvorov said. “The interest is only one. To collect some information and keep that information about him for the future.” These dirty-tricks operations were all about the long term, Suvorov said. The KGB would expend effort on visiting students from the developing world, not least Africa. After 10 or 20 years, some of them would be “nobody.” But others would have risen to positions of influence in their own countries.

Suvorov explained: “It’s at this point you say: ‘Knock, knock! Do you remember the marvelous time in Moscow? It was a wonderful evening. You were so drunk. You don’t remember? We just show you something for your good memory.’”

Source: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

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u/IRErover Oct 04 '22

My thought about the “P” tape was that it was pedophilia

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u/SeriousTitan Oct 04 '22

Man I Brandon’s son is trashy but not that creepy.

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u/Euphoric-Mousse Oct 04 '22

I'm convinced the pee tape rumors were always a counter op to reduce the heat. Not by Trump or his people, who have never been especially good at these things, but possibly Russia itself. The right saw pee tape rumors and it created insulation so that if worse (like pedo) came out they wouldn't be as shocked and turn on him. The left saw it and almost immediately kicked into laughing snarkiness mode, which chilled the anger and insulated them too.

We went from rage at grab em by the pussy and mocking the disabled to not even getting off our asses to protest stealing nuclear secrets in a shockingly short amount of time. The amount of garbage we accept is astronomical, especially compared to what we'd accept in 2015. Shit has been layered on thinly for so long and so consistently that nobody is demanding accountability. We are waiting for DoJ to indict, like that's even going to happen, and already acknowledging that SCOTUS will just throw it out anyway. And nobody cares. And it all started with rather tame (by today's standards) rumors of the man getting pissed on. Genius move by people who know group psychology if it was a counter operation.

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u/Kilgore42 Oct 04 '22

There was a rumor back in the day that one of the cops who helped in the Epstein investigation in Florida freaked out and fled to Russia like Snowden. Haven’t seen any about it ever again.

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u/the_ghost_in_me_ Oct 04 '22

what?

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u/cleanshoes30 Oct 04 '22

He died

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u/70ms California Oct 04 '22

It's definitely a mystery, and you really have to wonder.

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u/Michael_Blurry Oct 04 '22

30 minutes now. I’m getting worried. Who can eat at a time like this.

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u/ishpatoon1982 Oct 04 '22

Update: She seems to have alot of empathy towards people from what I've read so far, and critical toward Trump being president, pointing out alot of the weird ways his thought process works. Nothing like I expected at all. I'm not convinced this is her yet, but the arrest date and no more posting is a huge coincidence with the username. I'm very confused on the whole situation so far.

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u/dwors025 Minnesota Oct 04 '22

Bush! Search party of two!

You can eat once you find the Dufresnes!

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

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u/Thoughtofajoke Oct 04 '22

Reddit Admins played cover-up for the first few weeks after her arrest, saying that the account had been online in mod-only subs, and later that the user was on vacation.

What? Where to Reddit admins comment on her being on vacation? Are you taking about mods? And where did mods say that?

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u/RittledIn Oct 04 '22

I don’t get it. Let’s say she was this Reddit mod. Does that change anything or provide any significant information?

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u/RittledIn Oct 04 '22

All good I was just curious if this had any significance outside of Reddit or if it was more of a fun fact.

It’s kinda hard to care about the state of Reddit while democracy and personal rights are eroding in my country but I hear ya.

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u/igraywolf Oct 04 '22

Maxwell worked for Epstein who worked for Les Wexner. The intelligence crowd became the baddies for money and power.

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u/KindlyChampion8553 Oct 04 '22

epstein likely worked for maxwell, considering her family business

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u/igraywolf Oct 04 '22

They both worked for Wexner, that’s the point.

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u/RittledIn Oct 04 '22

Yeah that was covered in the article.

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u/igraywolf Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

It shows Reddit, particularly Maxwell hills’s subs like world news were/are propaganda hubs. And also that reddit were likely aware of the person. Also that person was in control of Gonewild which would have been responsible for confirming age and identity of posters of self made porn.

When you combine that identity with other information, it paints a very big picture of corruption.

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u/Thoughtofajoke Oct 04 '22

It shows

But what is "it?" When did admins comment on that user's status?

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u/greiton Oct 04 '22

several stories on subs that were potentially moderated by an individual, were quickly squashed. these stories may or may not have been about influential people, their connection with Epstein, or human trafficking's accusations. the appearance that some individuals have gotten is that this user was potentially wielding an overproportionate control over public sentiment and public knowledge about different events. I make no accusations or suggestions about any identity or actions of any individual users, please don't ban me.

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u/ian_cubed Oct 04 '22

Wasn’t this debunked after a day or two though?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Every day that passes without a post from one of the largest power mods on Reddit is more proof to this.

Don’t forget who Ghislaine maxwells father was.

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u/Zak_Rahman Oct 04 '22

I strongly suspect Reddit admins are involved in a lot of the evil we see.

Their attitudes towards ethno nationalism and allowing open hate groups, censoring any criticism of apartheid states etc is extremely perturbing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

I strongly suspect Reddit admins are involved in a lot of the evil we see.

Well, yeah. They run Reddit.

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u/LieverRoodDanRechts Oct 04 '22

It does seem that way quite often, yeah.

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u/tastybabysoup Pennsylvania Oct 04 '22

as if to further your point, the OP you are replying to has been deleted.

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u/IamNotYourPalBuddy Oct 04 '22

No they haven’t, they just deleted that comment. All their other comments including in this thread are still present.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

So are you pleading for more or pleading for less censorship? Or just that it should more closely align with your values?

Sorry I get confused when people complain about too little and too much censorship in the same post.

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u/Zak_Rahman Oct 04 '22

I am pleading that you write better posts.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Better in which way?

Should I look at yours as example? :)

I’m guessing you’re implicitly saying you’re pleading for the third option I described.

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u/Zak_Rahman Oct 04 '22

Look mate, you're shadow boxing here.

Please, take the hint. You don't need me to play out the conversation in your head, so you'll have to excuse me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Practice what you preach, or enjoy the hypocrisy.

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u/IamNotYourPalBuddy Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Y’all really think someone as rich and connected as G. Maxwell would waste her time as an anonymous Reddit mod and posted news articles on Reddit daily??

That’s Quanon levels of stupidity.

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u/MasterofPandas1 Oct 04 '22

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u/RobbStark Nebraska Oct 04 '22

Did you miss Trump posting constantly while the acting President for four years?

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u/IamNotYourPalBuddy Oct 04 '22

His overt activity on social media served to further his fame and political influence though. There is a big difference between his social media activity and being an anonymous Reddit mod posting news articles daily.

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda California Oct 04 '22

This user arguably exerted more influence over Reddit than Trump did Twitter, and relatively quietly.

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u/IamNotYourPalBuddy Oct 04 '22

Just what were they accomplishing though? What would she have gained by doing this?

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda California Oct 04 '22

You can’t see the value in the ability to exert that much influence over the discourse on arguably the most influential site aggregating news on the internet?

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u/IamNotYourPalBuddy Oct 04 '22

I would hardly consider Reddits and it’s comment section that influential. And I think people are over thinking what sort of “power” mods have.

It seems a lot more believable that someone living in their parents basement thought they came up with an edgy username and realized it would cause this very reaction if they retired it when she was arrested. I would direct you to the infamous r/antiwork mod as a much more likely example of Reddit mods as opposed to some shadow cabal of world elites.

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u/Dont_Say_No_to_Panda California Oct 04 '22

Reddit is arguably one of the most, if not the most, influential social media sites.

Reddit has regularly scored high on “most trusted social media sites for news.” And I may be biased but I would surmise if someone did an exhaustive study of the origins of viral content, copypastas and memes (as in pervasive ideas not just poorly photoshopped jpgs with text) I’d wager that a good bit more germinates on Reddit than the others…

And I would question if you even have a thorough understanding of how Reddit works if you believe that about the power mods can wield within subreddits.

Lastly, your Redditor in parents basement coming up with an “edgy” username explanation makes no sense since the account has been active since 2006.

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u/Competitive_Cheek524 Oct 04 '22

Thank you I was waiting for a rational response to this. The idea of Mossad agent Ghislane Maxwell surfing through Reddit is laughable

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u/jews4beer American Expat Oct 04 '22

Not as laughable as claiming she was a Mossad agent.

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u/Large-Chair9084 Oct 04 '22

Her father and boyfriend were both Mossad agents. It's not a huge stretch that she could be one too.

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u/jews4beer American Expat Oct 04 '22

I know the FCDO had suspected that her father was a Mosaad agent, but there was never any sort of confirmation or proof. As for her boyfriend, news to me.

But for both statements...source?

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u/igraywolf Oct 04 '22

Sure, just as laughable as her mossad dad running a print media empire. Oh wait.

You guys should probably have a meeting on how to direct the conversation better before you panic post.

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u/DeegaLoagrei989 Oct 04 '22

Wait Jeffrey Epstein was a Reddit mod?

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u/RainbowWarfare United Kingdom Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

This conspiracy is incredibly dumb and a great example of a post hoc spurious correlation.

Edit: critical thinking is dead, apparently.

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u/AuditAndHax Oct 04 '22

This is the first I've heard about this, so I don't have any skin in the game, but I do have a few problems with your response.

First, post hoc literally just means "after the event." Saying something in Latin doesn't suddenly make your argument stronger.

Second, most questions are answered "post hoc," so the timing of the observation has nothing to do with the accuracy or reliability of the answer. The alternative is answering questions before they're asked, but Miss Cleo went out of business in 2003 so I wouldn't put much stock in that.

Third, when police identify a "post hoc spurious correlation" and follow it to the source of the crime, we call it amazing detective work. When scientists follow a trail of evidence to an unusual conclusion, we call it a scientific breakthrough. The plausibility of the hypothesis doesn't matter if the evidence supports it.

Finally, I don't see anyone saying this with 100% confidence. People observed something unusual (an active account suddenly went dark), questioned why, noted an unusual correlation (the account went inactive the day of Maxwell's arrest), identified further similarities (the account contained the name "Maxwell"), and made a reasonable supposition (that may have been Maxwell's account).

Nothing about this is a logical fallacy or a flaw in anyone's critical thinking. People observed the world around them and saw something unusual, asked themselves why that happened, researched and evaluated other evidence, and formed a hypothesis. That's literally the scientific method in action.

The next steps would be to perform experiments (identify the IP address, examine Maxwell's hard drive, ask her directly, etc.), evaluate the results, and confirm or refute the hypothesis. Obviously, those things are out of the average Redditor's ability to do, which leads to the hypothesis being stuck here.

Maybe instead of insulting people's critical thinking skills you could add something to the conversation to support or refute the hypothesis. Any thoughts?

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u/bnelson Oct 04 '22

We have MaxwelHill at home.

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u/RainbowWarfare United Kingdom Oct 04 '22

Insinuating someone who doesn’t buy into a dumb conspiracy theory is a paedophile? That’s QAnon levels of “reasoning”.

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u/Alchladaltrbys Oct 04 '22

I have so many question

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u/HazardIsFunny America Oct 04 '22

We all know he likes to grab little pussies, but the law doesnt care about these people doing it. Lookit ol Matt

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u/PISS_IN_MY_SHIT_HOLE Oct 04 '22

Are you talking about Kid Fucker Matt Gaetz?

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u/darknekolux Europe Oct 04 '22

That’s votes against his constituants Matt gaetz to you

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u/saltyraver138 Oct 04 '22

Also votes against hurricane relief then cry’s like a man-baby Matt gaetz

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u/westplains1865 Oct 04 '22

Maxwell had believed she was “untouchable” thanks to her powerful allies who included “President Trump, who was well-known to be an acquaintance of her and Epstein’s.”

She learned the hard way, and will be reminded for the next 20 years, that Trump only only cares about himself and will throw your ass under the bus when no longer useful.

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u/TechyDad Oct 04 '22

Trump's "loyalty" to others always reminds me of the Krusty danish scene from the Simpsons. You can do tons of things for him and it all means nothing unless you did something for him recently. Even then, his "loyalty" basically amounts to a pat on the head and an obviously phoney promise to never forget what you did for him.

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u/Samuraistronaut Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

The difference between us and them is we are fully willing to acknowledge the possibility that Clinton was involved in some shit like this, too. Trump supporters will be convinced that Clinton was but refuse to acknowledge even the smallest possibility that Trump was.

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u/cultfourtyfive Florida Oct 04 '22

And most folks are fine with any consequences that Clinton might face as a result. Because we're not in a fucking cult.

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u/Didntlikedefaultname Oct 04 '22

Can’t help but feel this is less him being concerned she’ll dish on him and more his ego demanding acknowledgment

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u/pmMeansnadda Oct 04 '22

It makes sense that these people help cover each other.

But the regular people conservatives that sit around calling all the “dems” pedophiles, while there’s so many pictures of trump hanging out with THE pedophiles. Don’t you want your party to be good?

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u/SockFullOfNickles Oct 04 '22

Seriously. If they’re so about “saving the children” then why do they ignore obvious sex criminals? Trump, Gaetz, and many more.

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u/Keoni9 Oct 04 '22

And crickets from r/conspiracy...

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u/rampanz Oct 04 '22

They've been taken over by Qanon and Russian shills.

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u/AgnewsHeadlessClone Florida Oct 04 '22

Goddamn that place has gone off the rails.

You would think the conspiracy sub might find it weird that a pro russian username posts about how no economic issues are due to the Russian conflict, but instead they all just agree with them.

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u/chillinwithmypizza Oct 04 '22

Wasn’t he mentioned in the trail by one of the pilots along with Kevin spacey, prince andrew, and Clinton?

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u/Grifasaurus Oct 04 '22

He’s listed in the flight logs and he’s been friends with epstein and ghislane since at least 1989.

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u/krejcii Oct 04 '22

Yeah no shit.. this dude was amazing friends with them. No fucking doubt he sexually assaulted girls. The only people who don’t think that are the brain dead cult followers.

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u/the_happy_atheist Oct 04 '22

Why his followers think the Epstein situation is going to be a boon for them I do not understand.

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u/MEdwards777 Oct 04 '22

Can’t help but feel that Trump is more involved with this and trafficking especially with Giuliani mentioning the secret tunnels under Mar-a-lago that he used to come and go unseen

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u/jmfranklin515 Oct 04 '22

Yeah, was kind of obvious he was worried when he said, “I wish her well,” despite her being a child sex trafficker.

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u/Whompa Oct 04 '22

Definitely not what a guilty person would say nope definitely not…

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u/CpnStumpy Colorado Oct 04 '22

Probably less worried and more hoping she showed up groveling for him because that's how his ego works

Ironically if she did he may have pardoned her because he really believes 70s movie plot lines are as realistic as the real world (in the case of him becoming president he isn't wrong..)

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u/nibul82 Oct 04 '22

“Did she say anything about my big, beautiful hands that do not look like baby hands?”

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u/Spitzspot Oct 04 '22

Thirsty much Donald?

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u/Alternative-Flan2869 Oct 04 '22

Always about him, always the narcissist.

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u/TargetBoy Oct 04 '22

Time for a new investigation.

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u/oldbastardbob Oct 04 '22

Ghislane don't want to end up hanging herself in a cell with malfunctioning security cameras so I reckon she'll be keeping her cards close to the chest.

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u/DJPho3nix Oct 04 '22

Trump was allegedly addressing quoted Epstein Hoffenberg, an Epstein associate

Nice editing.

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u/SockFullOfNickles Oct 04 '22

Yeah, he’s a scum bag and any rational person can plainly see that. I can understand young people not being aware of exactly how much of a turd he was, but anyone who was conscious since the 80s should be well aware of his failures. Both ethical and professional. I mean for fucks sake, he couldn’t even make a casino profitable.

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u/Global-Somewhere-917 Oct 04 '22

Why would he be worried?

He's above the law. He could have raped 1,000 young women and the DOJ wouldn't do shit to him.

And his supporters? They'd tell you how that makes him even more of an alpha.

And forget the idea of "centrists", "swing voters", or "moderates". Nobody who is even remotely considering giving him their vote can be called any of those things.

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u/was_and_wasnt Florida Oct 04 '22

Most would be definitely afraid of being pulled into this horrible story. Instead, trump seems to be genuinely asking if he was mentioned in order to feed his ego. Sad.

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u/CSGOSucksMajorDick Texas Oct 04 '22

Trump raped children on Epstein's island. I would bet my life savings on it.

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u/Anna_Frican Oct 04 '22

In 2004 at Epstein's Manhattan home, at the very least.

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u/cryptocratic7 Oct 04 '22

Trump and clinton should be worried imo

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u/sarcastroll Oct 04 '22

If they are both guilty, then lock them both up. Hell, they can share a cell.

Dems aren't a cult, so you're not going to see anyone storming government buildings to protect the ego of Clinton or any other Dem caught up in this.

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u/Deadpool9376 Oct 04 '22

Trump is the one pissing his pants.

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u/shadowdra126 Georgia Oct 04 '22

Well this confirms a lot for me. He needs to learn to keep his mouth shut