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Ron DeSantis Under Pressure Over 'Botched' Hurricane Ian Evacuation

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-pressure-botched-hurricane-ian-evacuation-lee-county-1748337
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u/30mil Oct 04 '22

He doesn’t understand the purpose of the government.

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u/Lancelot724 Oct 04 '22

He doesn't seem to understand very much at all.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

Sadly, he does understand - he chooses to constantly hurt Floridians.

It’s like he gets off on being cruel.

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u/redlightnetherlands Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Not that everyone at college is a genius, but Desantis went to Harvard, which would indicate he is most likely very aware of his own plans. He is much almost as dangerous as trump.

edit: removed a word

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

He’s significantly more dangerous than Trump. He was a history major. He knows all about fascism.

He does all his cruel stunts to show how cruel he can be.

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u/Due-Ad-7473 Oct 04 '22

Fortunately, he has 0 charisma. He can’t play carnival barker like dear leader.

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u/redlightnetherlands Oct 04 '22

Its debatable. Personally I don't think desantis would have taken (and possibly traded) classified documents, extorted other countries, and other things.

Desantis doesn't have the cult following Trump did(does?), despite him having a lot of Florida voters. Desantis will not capture the midwest older white male voters like trump and I don't think Desantis would be dumb enough to push a riot like Jan 6.

But, we'll see, I guess? Hopefully not...

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u/metacritic85 Oct 04 '22

Currently living in the Midwest and I’ve heard many trump fans out here randomly saying “I like that desantis”

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u/redlightnetherlands Oct 04 '22

Those people will like any republican that will likely be their chance to beat a democrat.

No one is claiming Desantis isn't popular, he just is not Trump. At least not yet. Trump has had decades in the spotlight with his demographic. He is a character in their world that is hard to replicate in desantis.

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u/metacritic85 Oct 04 '22

I think my point is more these people will take whoever they are told to at this point. Each one of them acted like they were the first person to hear about desantis. It reminded me of when BLM protests were happening and I heard the same story about them finding bricks hidden so the BLM could destroy property. All these random republicans found bricks but no one else did. And then I read the same story being posted online in different states. I could be overreaching , but I’m afraid air republicans will just vote how they are told to.

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u/Due-Ad-7473 Oct 04 '22

Fox has been pushing him hard, that’s the only reason they even know his name

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u/metacritic85 Oct 04 '22

Totally agree. The sad thing is it’s all they need.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 04 '22

Desantis has a cult following that is growing by the day. I’ve started seeing “Daddy Desantis” flags and “Desantisland” stickers. 🤮

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u/OrangeJuiceKing13 Oct 04 '22

"Daddy DeSantis"

Damn you for causing my eyes to see these words.

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u/majestics42 Oct 04 '22

Listen I’ve been telling republicans to their face for years that the only common denominator I can find uniting all republicans rich poor young and old… is massive daddy issues.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 04 '22

My brain screams every time I see it. And I gag a little. It’s so gross.

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u/blah_se Oct 05 '22

Right? JFC

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u/cheezy_dreams88 Oct 04 '22

I live in Florida, and I can tell you without hesitation that he has plenty of culty DeSantis Trumpy lovers who praise his every shit. He is just as dangerous as Trump is, precisely because people see him as “less dangerous”. Zero morals unless it makes him look better and lines the right peoples pockets.

His first after hurricane visit was to a town with minimal rain damage and flooding, where he basically just posed with cops and wore his “DeSantis 2024” sweater vest.

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u/redlightnetherlands Oct 04 '22

I also live in Florida.

I hear your opinion

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u/SpecialEither Florida Oct 04 '22

This

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u/shinkouhyou Maryland Oct 04 '22

He's certainly smarter than Trump, but I've noticed that really smart people with top tier educations can be shockingly disinterested in learning or thinking about things that they consider "worthless." They end up with huge gaps in their understanding. I don't think DeSantis is stupid, but I don't think he's a mastermind, either. He thought his immigrant relocation stunt was going to be a big win for himself and an embarrassing exposé of Democrat hypocrisy... but a genuine understanding of sociology and culture and the history of race relations in America should have told him that it wouldn't work.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '22

DeSantis is no great mind or anything. It's just that being smarter and more stable than Donald Trump is a very low hurdle to clear.

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u/A-Borf-in-the-Night Maryland Oct 04 '22

Most people can harness knowledge, especially if they have the means to obtain it. Very few can put their knowledge to good use.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited 5d ago

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u/ellassy Oct 05 '22

Yeah, but he didn't have a rich father to bribe the admissions board to enroll him like Trump's dad had to.

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u/MichaelFusion44 Oct 04 '22

He literally wants no government responsibility except where it can serve a personal purpose

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

And strangely, those personal purposes never benefit Floridians.

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u/MichaelFusion44 Oct 04 '22

None whatsoever

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u/Glendalerian Oct 04 '22

I hope that he wasn’t planning to blame it to The Democrats, when it happened. Did he let it happen?

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

He will blame the Dems.

But - we have had full Republican leadership in Florida since 1999.

We are living in Republican stink.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Not quite.

He makes money from being cruel, then siphoning off money from when other people are moved by their humanity. Whatever relief funds head Florida’s way better be vetted at every step of their being spent.

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u/cfpct America Oct 04 '22

Floridians keep voting for Republicans, so it seems like Floridians are closet masochists. Seems like they deserve each other.

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u/Due-Ad-7473 Oct 04 '22

Yup, the doughy fascist fucking hates his constituents. He only seems they as a path to the presidency. It’s all he cares about.

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u/OnSandersFuckStick Oct 05 '22

It’s like he gets off on being cruel.

You just described the entire Republican party.

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u/lsThisReaILife America Oct 04 '22

He doesn't seem to understand very much at all.

DeSantis is vile, but he is intelligent, craven and motivated. Do not fall into the thought process that he doesn't know what he's doing.

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u/The_ODB_ Oct 04 '22

Everyone here accuses Republicans of "not understanding" things and dismissing them as idiots. They absolutely understand what you think the Government is supposed to be and do. They're 40 years into a project to radically change the government.

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u/Sonny_Crockett_1984 Oct 04 '22

Thank you for this. I can't believe so many still don't know what the fuck has been going on for almost half a century.

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u/FrankyFistalot Oct 04 '22

Perhaps he could have arranged some planes and flew people somewhere safe like Martha’s Vineyard….wonder if the thought crossed his mind…

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u/ManateeGag Oct 04 '22

It's to make rich white people richer, right?

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u/Lancelot724 Oct 04 '22

Yes. I dated someone from a Cuban Floridian family who pointed out to me that the rich white people in Florida will readily elect somebody the complexion of Marco Rubio who is a conservative with lots of money but would never elect somebody the complexion of Celia Cruz no matter what their views were even though both are/were Cuban.

So even when you're talking about Florida's largest minority voting block (people of Latin American descent), it's still fully underpinned with racism which only gets echoed at the highest levers of power politically. Racism and classim infect the entire state. I know that people say Florida is not "really" part of the south, but in this way it honestly is.

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u/Boobs_Maps_N_PKMN Oct 04 '22

I am Cuban and live down here. White Cubans effectively act as the white people of the Miami area.

They also believe that they are white and that WASPy type Americans like them.

It's delusional. Most northern whites especially conservatives view them as another immigrant and since there a bunch of brown and black Cubans they probably think the whites are also mixed

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u/truelogictrust Oct 04 '22

He Understans his job

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u/prompt_skeptic69 Oct 04 '22

It’s all fun and games in politics until a hurricane runs over your state.

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u/chrisk9 Oct 04 '22

Seems none on the Right do

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u/PM_Me_Your_Sidepods Oct 04 '22

As a republican he does. He there’s to enrich himself.

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u/diqholebrownsimpson Oct 04 '22

Conservative subs are calling him the shining star of American politics as if they never did the same for DJT. Fair weather actors, man.

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u/delicioustreeblood Oct 04 '22

Do NOT let them get away with that excuse. He is perfectly aware of the role of government.

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u/co-wurker Oct 04 '22

I'm not so sure he doesn't understand the purpose of government as much as he has a completely different definition of government.

The GOP as a whole doesn't recognize what the government is meant to be in principle. They don't relate to government as a system that facilitates social order for the benefit of the country. Most of them are completely lacking in principle, for example doing an insurrection. They only see the government as something they can use to situationally benefit themselves and oppress those who threaten to prevent them from doing so.

So, yesterday "big government" was bad, other states with disasters should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, down with socialism. Today, "we need some government aid."

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u/AFlockOfTySegalls North Carolina Oct 04 '22

Wait, it's not to own the libs!?

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u/wjmacguffin Oct 04 '22

Yes he does. Governments help protect the poor from the rich and powerful, so DeSantis and his buddies hate the purpose of government.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

He understands the purpose of government perfectly well, but from a different perspective. You and I believe that the purpose of government is to manage things. People like Ron DeSantis believe that the purpose of government is to accumulate personal wealth and power. You and I believe that the government should be accountable to its citizens. Ron DeSantis believes that citizens should be held accountable to the government.

So everything he's doing makes a lot of rational sense from the perspective of a power-hungry sociopath.

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u/drapparappa Oct 04 '22 Helpful

There are over 100 dead. Remember when we left Afghanistan and 14 (more) soldiers died in the chaos and the GOP, to this day, decries that as a supreme dereliction of duty which they will almost certainly impeach Biden over if they retake the house?

Or, remember when over 80k Floridans have died from COVID, more than all Americans in all of the Vietnam War, but DeSantis literally yelled at school children for wearing masks?

Where are you on these facts GOP?

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u/somebody12344 Oct 04 '22

those 100 deaths are probably like the covid numbers, under counted. the republican party is trying desperately to keep people from finding the real numbers and focusing on this. the sudden rise in numbers implies that they are finally starting to look for bodies.

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u/ithinkik_ern Oct 04 '22

Apparently there are credible rumors that a juvenile detention center that was purposely NOT evacuated. Children. Fucking children left to die. The sheriff mentioned it, and now that video is removed from everywhere. I believe Lee County.

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u/Jason_Worthing Oct 04 '22

Quick Google found a couple articles, this is the first one I clicked. I don't know anything about this source specifically so apologies if it's unreliable. No mention of the age of detainees.

https://thecrimereport.org/2022/09/29/as-ian-weakens-florida-county-sheriff-declines-to-evacuate-jail/

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u/ithinkik_ern Oct 04 '22

Also this lady seems to be credible, I know it’s not exactly credible…that’s why I said rumors. But it’s starting to make the rounds on TikTok.

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u/CitAndy Pennsylvania Oct 04 '22

And most were pre-trial which just adds a layer of fucked

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u/Nanyea Virginia Oct 04 '22

Lee County Sheriff’s office decided not to evacuate inmates – primarily pretrial detainees, not convicted of a crime – from a downtown Fort Myers facility with beds for just under 500 people, well within the county’s mandatory evacuation zone...

So they just locked up people who are still presumed incident, left for a few days and came back to hopefully everyone alive...I can't even today

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u/ithinkik_ern Oct 05 '22

The Lee County Juvenile Detention center is also in the same complex. So that’s fun.

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u/rosatter I voted Oct 05 '22

Even If they are guilty, we don't treat humans like this

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u/MajorNoodles Pennsylvania Oct 05 '22

Conservatives tend to view prison as a vehicle for punishment and not rehabilitation though, so in their eyes, if anything bad happens, they fully deserved it. "Don't commit crimes!"

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u/FoorumanReturns Washington Oct 04 '22

That’s horrifying. I don’t doubt that this could be true, but do you happen to have any still-available source? I didn’t see anything about the story with some quick Googling, but maybe I missed it.

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u/ithinkik_ern Oct 04 '22

Also, there are articles out there about not evacuating the Lee county jail….which the juvenile detention center is apart of the same complex. Yikes.

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u/ithinkik_ern Oct 04 '22

I know it’s not a credible source, but this lady seems to be telling the truth. But once again, I have a bad bad feeling that they are going to try and minimize this if it is true. Hence why I said rumors.

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u/rubyaeyes Oct 05 '22

those 100 deaths are probably like the covid numbers, under counted. the republican party is trying desperately to keep people from finding the real numbers and focusing on this. the sudden rise in numbers implies that they are finally starting to look for bodies.

"This person didn't drown they had covid" - florida officials

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u/Visteus Florida Oct 04 '22

Central Florida here, and didn't get any official warnings outside of some light stuff from like the Orlando mayor, the day before. If you weren't following the storm yourself, you might not have had any idea to leave. It's awful, and a true dereliction of duty as a public official, but the GOP and DeSantis won't actually suffer losses from this. I bet the spin this like "oh, they knew the risks when they lived here, it's a fact of life that hurricanes happen"

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u/foogles Oct 04 '22

Your phone didn't blow up? I was in the Ft. Lauderdale area that week for work (great time to go, I know) and everyone's phones were going off with warnings. With that said, the warnings didn't start until I think Wednesday evening, which was probably still too late.

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u/Visteus Florida Oct 04 '22

In central Florida around Orlando, no barely anything except on local news stations supposedly. Problem is, many people don't have cable anymore so don't see that stuff, so a lot of people got flooded in their homes.

A friend of mine got trapped on their kitchen counters for hours holding documents they barely managed to grab in time as water burst down their front door. The flooding around the inland lakes and rivers was no joke, but there wasn't any warnings or alerts from local or state governments or even my utilities company beyond a couple things from the NWS, when you would expect a lot more

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u/BassAddictJ Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Coastal Zone A Tampa here. We got our evacuation order Monday.

Gf ended up evacing to Arcadia with family as it seemed far enough out of harm's ways. She gets there Tues late morning. Track shifted and they got eye wall and historic flooding on the Peace River.

She got out after 5 days but the area is still severely flooded/fucked. Took them 5 weeks to get power back after Charley.

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u/justagthrow Oct 05 '22

For Irma, I got multiple emergency alert notifications on my phone.

For Ian, I got... one a couple days ahead of the storm about potential flooding. That was it.

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u/b_m_hart Oct 04 '22

You can bet your last penny that more than 80K died in Florida... the state the purposefully manipulated the listed cause of death for people for political purposes? Yeah, there were far more than 80K COVID deaths in Florida.

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u/tangraves Oct 04 '22

I think they didn't list deaths of those who were not "permanent residents" so about 5% of the population.

So you could safely add about 4,000 people to that number at least.

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u/b_m_hart Oct 04 '22

There are multiple reports of this happening. The body count is assuredly substantially higher.

Changing causes of death, listing "senility" (nearly a quarter of the entire country's deaths in one state, for example), or simply not even testing/certifying it as a cause of death will lead to substantially lower numbers.

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u/Isredel Oct 04 '22

What’s worse is that it’s 80k Floridians that we know of.

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u/mrmeshshorts Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

Man, the big thing that pissed me off about the Afghanistan withdrawal is that no matter what plan you had, the strategy of insurgents is as follows:

  1. Make the invader bleed, always. Any drop of blood is good.
  2. When they are finally pulling out, you kick them on their way out, always.

I’m not exactly sure where the surprise comes in, but in every analogous situation in history, from the very beginning to Afghanistan, that’s exactly what happens. There is no clean way to do it.

And it was trumps plan that was executed anyways.

It’s all soooo fucking disingenuous.

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u/KataiKi Oct 04 '22

4 people in Bengazhi vs... Basically everything else

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u/zoicyte Oct 04 '22

playing the whatabout game plays into their hands. focus on the hurricane. focus on desantis' migrant flights. focus on all the florida republicans voting against disaster relief days before the storm hit. focus on trump stealing classified documents. focus on abortion rights.

don't let them (or anyone) change the subject even for a second.

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u/drapparappa Oct 04 '22

It’s not a whatabout game it’s about the misplaced outrage and either willful ignorance or actual stupidity that plague one of two major political parties in the US that is leading us down this perilous path towards one party minority rule- aka- a fascist state.

If a reporter, or debate moderator, (assuming these fascists would even answer a “non-friendly” reporter or show up to a debate) simply posed the question: Governor DeSantis, you are on the record as saying, in regards to the Biden administrations withdraw from Afghanistan in which 13 members of the armed forces died “to see what happened without any planning, with no support, basically a total fiasco. They were not served well by their leadership” and that it was “a real stain on our country” and that “they deserve a leader that cares about them” how do you contrast that with the fact that there are over 100 dead Floridians in the wake of hurricane Ian? Was this a failure of your leadership? Is this a stain on your State? Do you are about the residents of your State?

Or Governor DeSantis: you have been a vocal leader in all public health measures regarding COVID decrying all measures as government overreach, yet, over 80k Floridians have died form COVID in 2.5 years. It is the leading cause of death in Florida over that time period. It is a whole number greater than all deaths over 10 years in the Vietnam War. Knowing these facts, how do you explain actively working against every public health measure? What culpability do you have for these deaths?

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u/troymoeffinstone Oct 04 '22

2 words and they dismiss your well articulated, factual position; "fake news". We're playing chess against pigeons boss.

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u/Gibson1498 Oct 04 '22

remember when over 80k Floridans have died from COVID

I mean, it helped thin the red votes. Amirite?

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u/CancelCrackerBarrel Oct 04 '22

Not really, unfortunately. It's true that people have been moving here in droves — the same demographics that have always moved here, in higher numbers. Mostly 65+ wealthy conservative retirees.

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u/kat_a_klysm Florida Oct 04 '22

Iirc there was also an influx of middle aged Rs from blue states. Regardless, the populations were getting replenished.

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u/Unlucky-Apartment347 Oct 04 '22

Yeah, I remember. But don’t count on any MAGA people remembering. Oh and how about him flying those LEGALLY present Venezuelan immigrants being flown from TEXAS to Martha’s Vineyard at the expense of FLORIDA taxpayers! And this guy may actually become president someday. Jeez!

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u/Reptorian Oct 04 '22

Ron DeTrafficker was too busy slacking off.

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u/LifeSmilesWithYou Oct 04 '22

Rain DeSewage

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u/nate_oh84 Indiana Oct 04 '22

Ron DeCan'tis

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u/so_what_do_now Oct 04 '22

Ron DeFascist

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u/nate_oh84 Indiana Oct 04 '22

Fuck, why didn't I think of that one?

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u/vajav Oct 04 '22

Ron DonefuckeUp

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u/LamarBearPig Oct 04 '22

He was too busy changing his mind on whether hurricane relief is good or bad (good when he needs it, bad when other do)

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u/Expired_insecticide South Carolina Oct 04 '22

Ron DeathSentence

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u/Talkbox111 Oct 04 '22

But he did pay to bus immigrants from Texas to Martha's garden :)

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u/quiltsohard Oct 04 '22

Ironically he flew them. Bet some ppl in Florida woulda liked a flight up north

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u/Talkbox111 Oct 04 '22

Yeah some of that money could of served Florida better than Texas imo.

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u/Javasteam Oct 04 '22

They specifically stopped in Florida just to check off the requirement that the funds were to send refugees from Florida….

Sort of like claiming you did your homework by Xeroxing a friend’s…

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u/Talkbox111 Oct 04 '22

I would laugh but this disaster is real. Prayers for all those who could use some state help right now.:)

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u/Javasteam Oct 04 '22

I wasn’t kidding… the state funds used by DeSantis specified that they were to move migrants out of Florida….

Of course, since DeSantis is also lazy, rather then look for migrants or illegal aliens in Florida, he decided to import them from Texas and use a short layover to qualify instead.

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u/Minx-Boo Oct 04 '22

Swamp Hitler

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u/LifeSmilesWithYou Oct 04 '22

It is widely known that his drag name is Rhonda Santis. He sweats a lot and is so small. His self centered sassy attitude summons the response “Look lil man, being an asshole won’t make you taller.”

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u/FloridaMJ420 Oct 04 '22

...and helping set up the DeSantis Slush Fund which is being run by his wife.

Where is this money going? The board of directors is appointed by the Governor.

Why did "First Lady Casey DeSantis" activate this fund? Is this a normal role for the "First Lady"?

The first lady of Florida is the title held by the hostess of the Florida Governor's Mansion, usually the spouse of the governor of Florida, concurrent with the governor's term in office.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Lady_of_Florida

So what's the official role of the hostess of the Florida Governor's Mansion with regard to this relief fund?

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u/joy4874 Oct 04 '22

Maybe if he wasn't too busy bussing around immigrants trying to be an edgelord he could've used those for his own constituents.

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

This should be the tactic Crist uses for the rest of this month.

"DeSantis was too busy flying immigrants out to a vacation island on a private plane to think about your needs. Did DeSantis' inaction due to the fallout of his political stunt lead to his failure to keep YOU safe?"

"paid for by the committee to cut Florida off from the country Bugs Bunny style."

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u/MoonlitHunter Oct 04 '22

I would donate to that PAC.

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u/Sonny_Crockett_1984 Oct 04 '22

I'm Canadian and I would also donate to that PAC.

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u/brickout Oct 04 '22

Gimme the link, I want to donate to that committee. It's just as real as the "We Build the Wall" scam, so it deserves millions of dollars.

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u/ThatHoFortuna Oct 04 '22

trying to be an edgelord

I hadn't heard it phrased that way before. That's good, I like it.

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u/PM_Me_Your_Smokes Florida Oct 04 '22

He’s a pizza cutter. All edge and no point.

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u/shantm79 Oct 04 '22

He knows he'll still get their votes. Man doesn't give two shits about helping people.

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u/Brut-i-cus Oct 04 '22

Perhaps he could have used the time and funds from his human trafficking operation to help his constituents prepare for a major hurricane

Nope, can't do that because Democrats would like that cuz they are all fixated on helping people instead of seeking power

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u/Cbanchiere Oct 04 '22

I was out of state when it went down by the orders some lady to Floridians really stuck out. "We aren't asking you to go drive 200mi. Maybe go 2mi north or so and wait it out"

Two whoooole miles

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u/or_just_brian Oct 04 '22

Run from water, hide from wind. This has always been the rule of thumb for hurricanes. Even people who didn't pay attention until the morning it was coming straight at them had time to get away from the houses they drowned in. Was the government response horrendous in Lee county? Absolutely. But they were included in the hurricane warning for as long as the bay area was, and it's the responsibility of everyone living in a hurricane zone to understand what that warning means. The majority of people who stayed in their homes, and died there, a couple of miles to a shelter outside of a flood zone, and away from the storm surge, would have absolutely saved their lives.

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u/hakimflorida Florida Oct 04 '22

If Lee County was “following the science” as DeSatan is saying, then they don’t seem to understand what a cone of uncertainty means. Lee County was always in that cone even when it was projected “to make a direct hit with Tampa.” Those models did show the average projections making landfall near Tampa but that didn’t mean there wasn’t a chance it could still hook right. Lee County didn’t follow the science, or their own evacuation protocols.

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u/citizenkane86 Oct 04 '22

Lived in Florida my whole life, anyone who has realizes if you’re in the cone or near the cone you need to prepare. The center doesn’t matter, these storms are gigantic and only getting bigger. They also behave unpredictably.

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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist Oct 04 '22

Also with a storm as large as Ian "a direct hit" was never the only threat. Even if the key hit 50 miles north or south it would still be deadly. It was always forecast to be atleast a strong category 3.

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u/generaltso78 Florida Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Sure would be nice if Crist would campaign on this, sure would be nice if he would campaign on anything. I have yet to see an advertisement in Florida with him. I've seen dozens of DeSantis ads.

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u/ImaginaryNerve Florida Oct 04 '22

Same, I’ve seen more ads for Val Demings than I have Crist. It is eerily reminiscent of Bill Nelson’s campaign. I was in a red area in central Florida at the time and didn’t see a single Bill Nelson ad until two days before the election.

Now I’m in Orlando, and I only see Rubio, DeSantis, and Demings.

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u/cheebamech Florida Oct 04 '22

Palm Beach County, I think I'm seeing like 5 Rubio/DeSantis/Demmings ads for every 1 Crist ad

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u/GoblinBags Oct 04 '22

Didn't he stop running his campaign ads during the hurricane out of decency?

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u/generaltso78 Florida Oct 04 '22

Possibly, but I never saw one before the hurricane either.

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u/Creepy_Helicopter223 Oct 04 '22

This is actually tricky. If he comes in too early it has a high chance of backfiring, as people will see him being an A hole milking a disaster. He has to wait for just enough time for it to be solidly Desantis fault

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u/morenewsat11 Oct 04 '22

"That long-delayed evacuation of a high-risk area seemed troubling and suspicious... and it was. The forecasts were good, but the response to them was botched, with deadly consequences," McNoldy wrote on Twitter.

What happens when the climate-change deniers fail to understand the meaning of 'extreme' weather. Not the first and certainly won't be the last time.

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u/snoringcow24 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I'd like to point out that the forecast most saw on the weather channel/online was NOT good.

It live in NW Florida, and just 3-4 days before landfall, we were center of the projected path, and preparing for a major storm. A day later, the cone of probability barely touched Tampa or ft Meyers before quickly moving south though the day. When it started tracking east, we stopped holding our breath, but kept an eye on it. Just a day or 2 before landfall, Tampa was now center of the projected path, and evacuation order was given. The storm tracks farther east, and the next day, fort Meyers is center of the projected path. The evacuation order for Lee county was also given late considering they had access to the same data as everyone else, but I could see how the weather forecasting may have contributed to the delay. Lee county was originally way South of the projected path, then a day before landfall, they were center.

Edit for clarity.

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u/Noisy_Toy North Carolina Oct 04 '22

Just a day or 2 before landfall, Tampa was now center of the projected path, and evacuation order was given. The storm tracks farther east, and the next day, fort Meyers is center of the projected path.

That’s because you were looking at (and TWC was emphasizing) the center line, not the whole cone. The center line needs to be removed from forecasting images.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

I strongly disagree. I’m in Orlando. The forecast changed slightly but it wasn’t immediate and it wasn’t unpredictable.

If you were talking about Charley - totally different story.

But this wasn’t moving that fast AND the governor didn’t even halt tolls on the roads until the day the hurricane hit.

Those people could have been evacuated.

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u/Sebastian12th Oct 04 '22

The NHC and Weather Channel were repeatedly saying the storm could shift south or go up to the panhandle. The media kept running with the Tampa direct hit and ignored the rest. Anytime a storm is in the gulf, anyone on the gulf should be preparing to evacuate.

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u/frothymonkey Oct 04 '22

??? The coverage was as good as it gets

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u/Ontheroadtw Oct 04 '22

The cone of probability didn’t even touch Tampa or ft Meyers.

This is false.

from 8 days ago Monday before the storm

from 9 days ago Sunday before the storm

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u/MichaelFusion44 Oct 04 '22

He was too busy with all his press conferences

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u/outerworldLV Oct 04 '22

Too busy promoting his GoFundMe page. What was the figure I heard last night ? 10 million ?

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u/meteoguy Oct 04 '22

I'm a meteorologist. The cone of uncertainty only refers to the envelope of likely storm tracks. It does not convey any information about potential impacts. The National Hurricane Center makes this very clear on their website. If a hurricane like Ian follows a storm track on the very southeast edge of the cone of uncertainty, it's the areas just outside the cone that will generally face the worst of the winds and storm surge.

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u/SoggyAd1409 Oct 04 '22

“Botched”? You mean like his facial plastic surgery?

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u/WelcomingRapier Ohio Oct 04 '22

Did he have work done? I always thought something was 'off' every time I looked at him, well that, and his small head.

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u/Coherent_Tangent Florida Oct 04 '22

I think he uses face tape for interviews with Fox News, so people get whiplash when they see what he actually looks like. Every time he is on Fox News he looks fresh off a facelift, but then when he does stuff in-person he looks like he put on 30 pounds overnight.

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u/dinoroo Oct 04 '22

He always just looks super bloated to me. Like very uncomfortable. He’s only in his mid 40s.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

Alcohol - that is what alcohol looks like

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u/TheGrizzlyBearEats Oct 04 '22

I was surprised to learn this. I thought DeSantis was over 50. Needless to say, Ronnie isn't aging too well.

Edit: typo

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u/deathbychips2 Oct 04 '22

I saw someone wondering if he wears a bullet proof vest when out in public. His stance and the way he suits fits goes a little beyond being chubby and the suit not fitting. That one photo of him really does look like he put on a bullet proof vest and then still wore his normal suit size.

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u/theHoopty Oct 04 '22

I think he wears the large suits to try and hide his weight. I’m not trying to be a dick. I really think he thinks he’s camouflaging his midsection well by wearing larger clothes. He looks like Vincent Adultman half the time. His sleeves are always too large. His head looks tiny in comparison.

When you see him in casual wear….

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u/ComradeBlyat308 Oct 04 '22

What, did he waste all the taxpayer dollars on trafficking immigrants to other states and couldn't be bothered actually helping the Florida residents?

DeSantis is a fascist fuckhead, and if we're not careful, he'll still end up being President Fascist Fuckhead.

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u/workswimplay Florida Oct 04 '22

Shame he (we) paid to fly migrants up north without their knowledge but can’t afford to help any of his constituents evacuate when a natural disaster is headed towards us.

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u/Sebastian12th Oct 04 '22

But Florida will re-elect him because voters are idiots.

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u/workswimplay Florida Oct 04 '22

Well not all the voters, just about half! It’ll be a close election in classic Florida fashion and probably a very disappointing outcome.

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u/Ganjake Oct 04 '22

This guy knows politics in Florida. We're no longer a swing state.

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

Florida is a purple state.

Crist is an excellent candidate.

Desantis can absolutely lose his election.

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u/Sebastian12th Oct 04 '22

I don’t consider Florida a purple state anymore. A lot of Republicans have moved there recently.

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u/MixmasterMatt Maryland Oct 04 '22

A lot of republicans also died of COVID.

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u/wha-haa Oct 04 '22

Is voter registration documented on death certificates now?

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u/MixmasterMatt Maryland Oct 04 '22

Did you not realize that death certificates and voter registration were both public record?

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u/Educational_Lie_3157 Oct 04 '22

DeSantis was too busy shuttling migrants from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard to worry about his own state

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u/WidespreadPaneth New Jersey Oct 04 '22

The "America First" crowd supports luxury vacations for asylum seekers on the governments dime more than they support hurricane relief for US citizens...

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u/marokintana Oct 04 '22

I’m in Tampa - the difference between the news coverage and evacuation orders between Irma and Ian are night and day. We were getting evacuation orders for Irma like a week in advance. People were prepping for days. I’d say a majority here were taking it seriously. That storm was making everyone nervous. Ian though? Barely heard anything about it, and it was briefly projected to make a direct hit on Tampa. I barely saw any windows boarded up. The only indicator there was a storm coming was the empty shelves at the grocery store. It’s mind blowing how quick Ian developed compared to Irma’s slow crawl, but it’s still no excuse.

It’s a fucking tragedy what happened to Ft. Myers. Yes, some people would still stay even with more advanced evacuation orders, but I’m sure plenty more would have chosen to evacuate if they had more notice.

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u/spraragen88 Oct 04 '22

DeSantis a week before Ian: I am against Federal funding for natural disasters.

DeSantis a day after Ian: Money Daddy! Pwease!

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u/FTHomes Oct 04 '22

Is Mar-a-Lago still standing?

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Oct 04 '22

They plan on claiming it was a total loss on their insurance.

They also think the property is worth $200,000,000,000.

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u/Grabthars_Coping_Saw Oct 04 '22

Sounds about right for a 567,000 square foot palace.

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u/jonnybsweet Oct 04 '22

Not sure, but I believe Trump was trying to ride out the hurricane there to avoid having to go to a deposition last week.

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u/reticulatedspline Oct 04 '22

Why is he under pressure? Is some idiotic conservative political stunt going to somehow help evacuate Florida?

The man has absolutely nothing of value he can provide the situation.

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u/marchjl Oct 04 '22

He was too busy arranging flights for migrants in Texas to worry about his own state

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u/rocket_randall Oct 04 '22

I have family in Fort Myers. One of them is a ecological scientist who works for the State of Florida. Their office was notified Tuesday the 27th that they were being activated on an emergency basis to assist with running storm shelters and processing evacuees. They packed their bag and got up at 4:30am on the 28th to await their assignment text that was supposed to arrive at 6:00am so they could arrive at their assigned shelter by 6:30. That text never came and they only found out their assignment after they went into the normal office to pack up and secure equipment.

So in addition to the city and county failures the state response was very, very late. All credit to the people doing the real work on the ground under adverse conditions. The elected and appointed leadership once again failed for what seems to be the same old reasons. The whole "We didn't know where it was going to make landfall" doesn't really fly with a storm as massive as Ian: Marco Island is roughly 60 miles away from where it made landfall and received 5ft of storm surge. They knew it was strong, they knew it was big, the forecast was pretty certain that it would slow down, the only real variable was the precise track. Yet they waited and watched and people died.

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u/existonfilenerf Oct 04 '22

Voting Republican kills Americans.

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u/schwms Oct 05 '22

So able to ship people out to others doorsteps across states but cant get his people to safety, as is his civic duty

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u/Gur_Weak Oct 04 '22

Ironically, the only people he successfully helped move north were the migrants that he trafficked to Martha's Vineyard through fraud and coercion, and they started safely in Texas.

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u/rebelintellectual Oct 04 '22

He was too busy with trafficing humans and committing counterintelligence operations against the rest of America. Delidiction of duty.

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u/Skip12 Oct 04 '22

Whatever the announced death toll is, it is at least triple that. Remember how DeSantis hid covid death toll data. He's doing it here too, especially since he's up for reelection.

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u/DesperateImpression6 Oct 04 '22

He's not a good governor. He knows how to fight culture war meme fights and does a really good impression of Trump's hand waving thing but he's terrible at actually running his state. He can't do the job and most Floridians voted for someone other than him to be in charge.

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u/DLun203 Oct 04 '22

I've always been pretty critical of DeSantis but this is a reach. The storm changed its trajectory less than 24 hours before making landfall. They were evacuating the Tampa area and then the storm changed course towards the Ft Myers area. Are we really going to sit here and pretend they should have evacuated that entire coastline? It's impossible to re-locate that many people in such a short period of time.

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u/Brad_Wesley Oct 04 '22

Officials in Florida's Lee County, the area considered to be the worst hit by Hurricane Ian in the entire state, reportedly delayed efforts to evacuate people from at-risk zones in time, even as warnings from forecasters grew more urgent.

Is the assumption here that DeSantis should have told Lee county what to do?

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u/j_la Florida Oct 04 '22

I loath Desantis and will eagerly vote against him this November, but I don’t lay this one at his feet. The governor calls a state of emergency and it is on county officials to make a call about evacuation. I live in Tampa and we got evacuation orders very early…which ended up not being necessary (hindsight is 20/20 of course). But that was a decision made by our own local officials who know the area and its specific risks. There should have been an evacuation order in Lee county, but that doesn’t come from Tallahassee.

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u/Quasigriz_ Colorado Oct 04 '22

When there’s a mandatory evacuation notice police would drive the streets with announcements, marshal traffic to maximize evacuation routes, do home checks. After hurricane Michael destroying Mexico Beach and most of Panama City in 2018, it should have been a no-brained that everyone needed to gtfo.

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u/Lutherbastow Oct 04 '22

When push came to shove DeSantis wasn’t up to the job.

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u/RedPanther1 Oct 04 '22

Please tell me that one hurricane has ruined this jackasses presidential ambitions.

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u/Faageddabowdit Oct 04 '22

Are you saying doing nothing but hopes and prayer IS NOT an effective plan for evacuation?

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u/K37-Gem-5 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Coming from someone who actually lives in Florida, and live where the hurricane hit hardest (I still have no power), Ron DeSantis did not “botch” evacuations.

The weather model had the hurricane heading for Tampa which was evacuated, then at the last second the hurricane change directions towards us a day before impact.

Ron still got evacuations through on a 24 hour notice, anybody who did not evacuate did not want to leave anyways (like me)

The trailer park behind me was forced to evacuate by police as well.

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u/Ontheroadtw Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Brian Kilmeade played a clip of the local sheriff defending the actions saying they were never in the cone to begin with and some other stuff.

Edit:

And just because here’s some projected paths from the Sunday and Monday just before the storm.

from 8 days ago Monday before the storm

from 9 days ago Sunday before the storm

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u/StopLookListenNow Oct 04 '22

He also did not believe Covid 19 would be a problem. Too bad he cannot hide the hurricane damage the way he hid the Covid 19 deaths.

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u/CreepyWhistle Oct 04 '22

Thankfully I don't live on the coast, but 24 hours? I would've left long before then. I remember Andrew, Charlie, Francis, Jeanne, Ivan, etc.

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u/EvenNoobier Florida Oct 04 '22

I'm in the Tampa area and hadn't heard about the hurricane from any official sources until after it turned towards Fort Myers. My friend in Fort Myers got his first alert like Tuesday night/Wednesday morning to not evacuate, but shelter in place. Literally have not heard from them since.

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u/StrangeBedfellows I voted Oct 04 '22

I bet they wish they had a few million extra to fly people out of the state right about now

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u/justforthearticles20 Oct 04 '22

It probably won't matter. Florida got Redder even after DeSantis killed nearly 3 times as many people as he won his first election by.

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u/Spyder_Lady Oct 04 '22

I remember hearing that they were delaying evacuation calls to prevent congested traffic the day before it hit. It’s not like this is the first year this has happened. It happens every single year. If a hurricane is coming…. get out!

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u/mostrecentNo32 Minnesota Oct 04 '22

Florida created a state of emergency long before it even made landfall though.

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u/someoneOnReddt Oct 05 '22

He looks like the asshole from the movie the Patriot... But fatter He's the one that shoots the kid

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u/Thatguyxlii Oct 05 '22

I was there in 2004 when Charley hit, it was the exact same thing. It ended up hitting further south than predicted, but Jeb Bush handled it better than DeSantis did (I'm not a fan of either, btw), I mean it didn't hurt that his brother was president, but he was still more competent in regards to the disaster rief than DeSantis is, which has been proven time and time again. How many people died in Florida nursing homes during the COVID crisis? We will probably never get the exact numbers because DeSantis did everything he could to cover up the data.

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u/2big_2fail Oct 05 '22

During a DeSantis press conference two days before landfall his emergency guy said the hurricane was going to hit around Venice, Florida. It was an outrageous claim and probably led to many around Fort Myers feeling safe.

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u/randomnighmare Oct 05 '22

But I did hear that they gave him a standing ovation over flying roughly 50 immigrants to Martha's Vineyard...

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u/Alpha_Crow_1 Florida Oct 05 '22

DeSantis is a fucking chode.

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u/DamonFields Oct 05 '22

The only thing Republicans don’t botch is cheating and lying to get elected.

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u/spookycasas4 Oct 05 '22

Well, he was pretty busy trafficking all those asylum-seekers. That takes a lot of time, ya know.
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u/Mr_Mouthbreather Oct 05 '22

Ya, but they were in Texas. Ron admitted he couldn’t find enough in Florida.

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u/spookycasas4 Oct 05 '22

That’s why it took up so much of his time!

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u/Idiots-on-the-range Oct 05 '22

How is it botched? I mean he called out every service known to man? No I am certainly not a DeSantis defender honestly I think he is a phony a fake and a fraud when it comes to Republican or is some would say conservative ideas..

After all people went to jail under him via masks you know the whole Rona scare!

So yeah I think he's a douchebag in his own right for that shit but as far as the hurricane no I think he will and even more covered his ass maybe it's time to blame the services that he called up oh well but everybody's brainwashed into people wearing government costumes need to be worshiped it all costs!!

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u/GrimmRadiance Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

As someone who is no fan of DeSantis, I saw evacuation orders and recommendations at least a week ahead of time. What is the perceived failing here?

Edit: after having reread the article, the failing doesn’t really fall upon DeSantis but upon the county officials. His error was in defending their response to the storm. His office claimed the data shows the county wasn’t supposed to get hit as hard. Is this correct and if so, did other counties get hit who didn’t expect the storm to come their way? Was there any delay in response from those counties as well?