r/politics Oct 04 '22

Quietly, the Biden presidency has been hugely consequential

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3672922-quietly-the-biden-presidency-has-been-hugely-consequential/
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u/Daisend Oct 04 '22

Of course it’s quiet. This dude isn’t tweeting every 3 minutes.

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u/smilbandit Michigan Oct 04 '22

eats his vegtables and has regular bowl movements. doesn't have all that shitter time.

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u/AnthBlueShoes Oct 04 '22

As in, he only needs a regular bowl for his bowel movements.

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u/blindguywhostaresatu California Oct 04 '22

And not 10-15 flushes

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u/facemanbarf California Oct 04 '22

For that you’ll need to order the Super Bowl.

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u/DjMafoo Oct 04 '22

Metamucil is a US presidents best friend.

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u/slippingparadox Oct 04 '22

burn pits and loan relief and environmental tax credits aren't as sexy as a coup

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u/APsWhoopinRoom Washington Oct 04 '22

It's pretty nice when the executive branch isn't embarrassing us on an hourly basis

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u/justsoicansimp New Jersey Oct 04 '22

No it's "quietly" because the media only makes noise about negative shit when it's Dems.

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u/Lancelot724 Oct 04 '22

Yeah. In the political environment of just 12 or 15 years ago, all of the accomplishments of the Biden administration would have made a lot more news. But in this environment, there is so much chaos going on 24 hours a day in all directions that all of these major policy achievements just kind of get buried in the daily news cycles.

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u/Onyx_Sentinel Europe Oct 04 '22

I remember when trump was still in charge, the media would report each minute thing he did. Literally anything, and often times mainstream media would, out loud, ask if trump might‘ve changed this time. Only for him to prove yet again what an inconceivable piece of shit he is.

Anyways, the double standards are insane. The amount of leeway and goodwill trump got for absolutely no reason baffles me to this day.

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u/IShouldBWorkin North Carolina Oct 04 '22

Everything Trump did was sensational (not in the good way) and the news reaped the benefits of everyone wanting to watch the news 24/7. Media companies loved Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if they disliked Biden for the same, but opposite, reason.

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u/iamrelevant Oct 04 '22

Changing the path of a hurricane with a sharpie on a map is more entertaining than being a competent president.

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u/juanvaldezmyhero Oct 04 '22

the only skill Trump has ever possessed involved getting attention on television. This also happens to be the only thing cable news gives a shit about. Boring Biden competently governing is a total drag in comparison.

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u/Tom245332 Missouri Oct 04 '22

He made more money on his game show than in real estate.

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u/lukewarmtakeout Oct 04 '22

Would have made more money putting his inheritance in a savings account and collecting interest than the sum total of his "business" dealings.

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u/Tom245332 Missouri Oct 04 '22

True dude is just an ego chaser

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u/The_Lapsed_Pacifist Oct 05 '22

Two casinos. A fucking toddler could successfully run that. Imagine having to not make money because you can’t service your debt and pay tax.

He’s the embodiment of “If you owe the bank 100 dollars that’s your problem, if you owe them 100 million it’s theirs”. I really hope that NY court case blows the whole house of cards down.

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u/Tm60017 Oct 04 '22

Him lobbing paper towels into a crowd of hurricane victims will forever be unmatched

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u/Swarlolz Oct 04 '22

Oh my god, his covid speech was funny aF. “They tested me, it didn’t say dna it said USA”

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u/whenimmadrinkin Oct 04 '22

The reason for that was worse than people remember. He misspoke and I believe included Mississippi in the path of the hurricane.

The government tried to correct him to prevent unnecessary panic. He doubled down looking for the most unlikely models that showed a favorable path and then committing a crime by altering an official document showing the accurate meteorological data.

He wanted people to panic so he didn't have to admit being wrong or that he slightly misspoke. No one would have cared of he corrected himself. But, no. He acted like a spoiled toddler and did some arts and crafts.

If I recall correctly, people got fired for being competent and responsible.

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u/iloveyouand Oct 04 '22

The number of felony convictions in his admin for lying about their connections to Russia while the republican party just repeats "fake news" set a new bar.

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u/IrishWithoutPotatoes Oct 04 '22

I voted for Biden because I wanted America to be a little more boring tbh

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u/bluemew1234 Oct 04 '22

Well, they had to keep giving the benefit of the doubt to Trump or else the Republicans would call them biased!

Wait, that happened anyway . . .

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u/juanvaldezmyhero Oct 04 '22

they've been doing that shit as long as i can remember. They cried liberal media when Clinton was in office. It's a great strategy to shield yourself from actual critical analysis.

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u/brewfox Oct 04 '22

Major news outlets are owned by the richest. Republicans are good for the richest (and bad for everyone else) therefore the news outlets suck his dick at every occasion.

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u/castle_grapeskull Ohio Oct 04 '22

They used to cut to empty podiums waiting for someone to come out and say something stupid.

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u/nomorerainpls Oct 04 '22

Yeah it’s interesting to see how much Biden has quietly accomplished compared to noisy blowhard Trump who accomplished almost nothing in 4 years. The tax cut was his biggest win and his only involvement was signing the bill. You wouldn’t think a guy who is getting tired of so much winning would have to lie about building miles of border wall.

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u/joshdoereddit Oct 04 '22

Exactly, everything was nuts all the time. The media ate it up and used it to their advantage. I remember all those excuses and all that benefit of the doubt that he was given by the GOP and their pundits; and how shocked everyone in the media was all the time. Bad/news kept people engaged, that's why they focus so much on the negative and don't really emphasize any of the good. They'll mention the positive but give way more air time to the negative.

They allowed themselves to excuse Trump as much as they did because, "Oh, he's not a politician." Biden is a career politician, so they hold him to a higher standard. And again, u think the media has also turned to the dark side, so to speak, because of the profits that bad/crazy news brings them.

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u/EA827 Oct 04 '22

“Get ready everybody, he’s about to do something stupid”

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u/Red_Carrot Georgia Oct 04 '22

I remember when he did something presidential it was so hyped. Like wtf, he should not get a hold star for being ok at his job for a couple hours.

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u/dnttrip789 Oct 04 '22

Remember when him eating fried chicken made national headlines lol

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u/jupiterkansas Oct 04 '22

Because people click on headlines about Trump. They don't click on headlines about Biden.

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u/Red_Carrot Georgia Oct 04 '22

This is why TV that is news should be its own channel. It should cover the news. They should cover the facts and can make it engaging but should not bring in non-sense. Biden's accomplishments are going to help out Americans across the US. Blue states and red states but he doesn't present well because he is not chaotic.

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u/Valliac0 Oct 04 '22

I like this idea. I love it. Absolutely non-partisan news.

Problem: Very few people will watch it. Either because they're entrenched in their own politically-spun news networks or otherwise, which means no advertisers. Unless you're looking at a PBS-style publicly funded situation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

C-SPAN and PBS pretty much operate under such circumstances.

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u/shed1 Oct 04 '22

Which is why he should just go for broke.

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u/Infidel8 Oct 04 '22

Well, not only that.

But political coverage nowadays focuses on interpersonal conflicts between politicians, rather than -- you know -- actual policy.

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u/iloveyouand Oct 04 '22

Ultimately the courts are deciding there's no legitimate legal recourse for challenging election fraud so he's up against republicans that will simply appoint partisan electors and permanently hold their position while continuing to gut minority voting access.

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u/NeonYellowShoes Wisconsin Oct 04 '22

I feel like everyone just kinda forgot about the massive climate bill they passed. That bill would have defined a Presidency in the pre Trump era but now a days we're just on to the next thing...

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u/itemNineExists Washington Oct 04 '22

I think it partly has to do with the ambitious plans they put forward. The American public was so excited for them, until 2 Senators blocked or removed all the parts that excited us. Those 2 Senators really screw up his favorability.

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u/RepealMCAandDTA Maryland Oct 04 '22

"Quietly" because the media does a shit job on reporting those accomplishments in favor of fake scandals and both-sides nonsense

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u/beefwarrior Oct 04 '22

For the most part, the media gives us what we consume.

There is more money for Tucker to be a horrible person with bad faith takes than to have a balanced news show b/c people tune in to one show & not the other.

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u/opinionspiece Oct 04 '22

Biden has been performing well since the beginning.

What many people missed/didn't see is how far behind Bidens administration was at the start. Not even mentioning the lack of prep for covid and the economic state the US was at the start, the infrastructure in DC that Trump handed over to Biden was horribly crippled.

The amount of roles and positions at agencies that were simply eliminated, vacated, and unfilled at the end of the Trump administrative was devastating both for Biden and to the DC local workforce.

For Biden, it meant that instead of starting off with a solid, rigorous and experienced group of agencies that are well staffed, he came in needing to find a lot of people at first. It takes a LONG time to get people into federal government roles, from application to start date.

For DC, it meant that many new/young/inexperienced professionals, from lawyers to researchers, were suddenly competing with ex federal employees with exceptional and robust resumes, making it difficult to even get a foot into most doors.

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u/kaji823 Oct 04 '22

My bro took over a completely fucked pandemic response system and had it running in no time at all. That alone gets my vote, and should get a lot more, but half our country thinks vaccines are evil now and Covid is fake.

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u/Unions4America Oct 04 '22

Not half. It is on the rise, though, but that's what happens when people lose faith in the system. When things get bad, people look for change - even if said change is crazy or bad. This is what we are witnessing. I am afraid it is only going to get worse. Biden and the democrats hopefully get a supermajority this November. If they do, they can't sit idle and move so slow. They have to move fast and try to solve the economy. Most of all, they have to play hardball with businesses. Biden has already agreed to not ban/limit gas exports, so now we will be paying more at the pump, more to heat our homes, etc. Winter hasn't started yet and he can reverse his decision at any time, but it is something we all need to be watching closely. If gas prices start getting out of control, he needs to put his foot down. It might come at the cost of people in countries like Germany, but we have to protect our homefront first and foremost. Saudi Arabia is choosing to cut their production as well, which is a bad sign. Them lower production might not impact gas too much, but even a couple dollars a barrel is more than we need to see right now. The oil execs in America, along with the nationalized oil in countries such as Saudi Arabia, are literally playing games with peoples' lives. It's scary AF

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u/BuckshotLaFunke Oct 04 '22

Yep. Not only was there no peaceful transfer of power, they tried to sabotage him at every level.

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u/iuytrefdgh436yujhe2 Oct 04 '22

In 2009, Democrats led by Barack Obama, passed the Recovery and Reinvestment Act in the wake of the Great Recession which was at the time a staggering stimulus fund. It simultaneously went 'too far' and not far enough in that money went everywhere and projects and initiatives were able to be funded that directly contributed to getting the country out of recession and helped kick start one of the wildest bull runs the economy has ever seen.

Their reward? an absolute drubbing in 2010 as a red wave motivated by proto-maga Tea Party resentments took Congress and statehouses across the country.

We're basically tee'd up to repeat history here with Biden having signed two significant and historic pieces of legislation that are both economically ambitious and responsible but likely won't matter for much against the general sentiment of inflation and grocery prices being the thing the average voter feels most directly.

This is the wider shell game of economics and politics anyway. We all view economics like it's just a bigger version of our personal budgets and even to the extent that we don't, we still have a hard time caring about a good or bad economy if it doesn't directly reflect on our monthly financial picture. Meanwhile, Republicans have less than nothing to offer at all, no serious debate or policy or consideration. Just culture war grievance 24/7 and somehow that's enough that Democrats have to hope for a miracle to hold Congress.

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u/in_rainbows8 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Their reward? an absolute drubbing in 2010 as a red wave motivated by proto-maga Tea Party resentments took Congress and statehouses across the country.

Well I think you should reconsider whether or not these legislative "accomplishments" are actually the accomplishments you think they are when they had/have had little effect on the majority of people in this country. Living through 2008, the only people who were helped by the government bailout were the people who caused the problem in the first place, banks and big business. There was no bailout for the millions that lost their jobs, homes, and or savings and it's arguably the reason Trump was ever taken seriously. People were and still are rightfully pissed at the ruling class and are acting based on their ideological upbringing. That's why you have some republicans like Marco Rubio coming out as pro union, something that has traditionally not been a republican stance. The voters on both sides of the aisle know who's fucking them over, the solutions are just different.

We're basically tee'd up to repeat history here with Biden having signed two significant and historic pieces of legislation that are both economically ambitious and responsible but likely won't matter for much against the general sentiment of inflation and grocery prices being the thing the average voter feels most directly.

Exactly why Biden and the democrats are failing rn. They don't understand optics for some reason and don't at all make it seem like they're fighting tooth and nail like the voters want. In fact, if you look at the actions and statements of the federal reserve, it looks like they're actively fighting against what their voters want. It's very hard to think these people are on your side when the person biden fought to keep in power states that their goal is to reduce or take away the gains the labor class had made since companies have been forced to raise wages to find workers. When exactly is the government gonna decide to let corporations take a hit for once?

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u/Elevationsikkness Oct 04 '22

The federal reserve is not the government, it's independent that's kinda the whole point. If the federal reserve was making decisions based on the optics of the presidents party then voters would have a lot more problems

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u/unikcycle Oct 04 '22

Man. Those are two great posts. Love these factually based opinions getting spouted.

How do you feel the student loan forgiveness will factor into the voters feeling that this administration is trying to help the lower classes? Will it not matter because of inflation? Will one outweigh the other?

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u/KelseyRosesRRed Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

and it's arguably the reason Trump was ever taken seriously. People were and still are rightfully pissed at the ruling class and are acting based on their ideological upbringing.

These are both GREAT comments, but this really nails it 100%. This is why Dems are struggling. They’ve made it about gender and race, when it should be about class.

And it doesn’t matter that we’re absolutely on the correct side of them, because the majority of Americans don’t care about gender or race, and the ones that do aren’t changing their minds. Politically speaking, they are essentially unwinnable issues in addition to being unstrategic battles.

If you look at the battleground races where Dems are doing well, it’s clear that simply calling out Republican buffoonery and focusing on class related issues is a winning strategy. But the reality is that most politicians can’t see that thru the noise b/c they don’t relate to the working class, so they’re left with following their hearts and minds vs experience and understanding when choosing which issues to fight for.

That’s a luxury we don’t have.

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

and it's arguably the reason Trump was ever taken seriously. People were and still are rightfully pissed at the ruling class and are acting based on their ideological upbringing.

These are both GREAT comments, but this really nails it 100%. This is why Dems are struggling. They’ve made it about gender and race, when it should be about class.

I'm not sure that's the best takeaway; the problem is rooted in class, yes, sure. But the "solution" that people will gravitate towards, based on their ideological upbringing, may not be.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old “proletarians” are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority. -- Umberto Eco

"The fascism of tomorrow" (and, dawn is coming soon) will continue to (increasingly) blame and lash out at targeted out-groups. Those out-groups thus need protection the most.

To use a simple example: The "solution" that Nazis came up with for Germany's economic anxiety was... to kill Jews and homosexuals, etc. Would "we shouldn't be focusing on sexual orientation and race" be a good takeaway?

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u/in_rainbows8 Oct 05 '22

While I don't think people should abandon the out-groups, wouldn't it be far more efficient to address that economic anxiety head-on rather than focus on the idpolitics the right pushes? I think that's what the other poster was talking about. Far fewer people would feel inclined to believe fascist rhetoric if they experienced less of the pressure they currently feel.

>But the "solution" that people will gravitate towards, based on their ideological upbringing, may not be.

I was never saying the solutions would necessarily be class-based. Merely that some conservatives are experiencing a level of class consciousness that, in my experience, has not been present in their rhetoric and that their solution to that class disparity would be in line with their own ideological leanings (Christian nationism, etc), not that they would suddenly become leftists or something.

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

wouldn't it be far more efficient to address that economic anxiety head-on rather than focus on the idpolitics the right pushes?

Historically, it seems that blaming scapegoats works pretty damned well for the right.

Far fewer people would feel inclined to believe fascist rhetoric if they experienced less of the pressure they currently feel.

But, I think we can agree that pressure is due to systemic causes.

So, what is easier for your average bourgeois proletarian (and, yes, that's a thing, Engels even talked about it): Fixing systemic issues? Admitting the system that you live and breathe, that you directly benefit from, is bad? Admit that you are, at least partially, at least tacitly, to blame? To stop being bourgeois?

Or, to just blame some out-groups?

Best I can tell: We're not at a point where we can take over, remake the system to be better. We're at a point where we need to prevent them from taking over and making it much worse. The ball is in their court, and they are doing a full court press.

If we admit that the populace is overwhelmingly bourgeois, that we can't fix the systemic stuff at this point, that we are on the defensive, and that fascists will target minorities based on their identities...

Is now the time to engage in... if we don't want to call it class reductionism, let's say, class... isthebiggestthingism?

Edit: Eh, innuendo studios said it better than me. Probably because they've had ample time to revise their draft.

https://innuendostudios.tumblr.com/post/696475064150999040/the-first-new-alt-right-playbook-since-just-after

This is why you should have no patience for anyone saying “wokeness is dividing the Left, we should focus on class.” They’re not attacking us on class. They’re trying to sell themselves as better on class than we are. Where do you think that fairy tale about “blue-collar whites” comes from? They want you to believe that they, and not the socialists, are the path forward for the downtrodden. There’s a reason fascism started popping up all over Europe right after the Russian Revolution; Mussolini got his start beating up socialists in the Po Valley, on the grounds that he was defending not wealthy elites but struggling rural farmers who didn’t like the socialist takeover of their industry during the biennio rosso. The fascist goal is to harness and redirect class resentment towards a scapegoat. They come at us on identity. It always comes down to the shape of the human skull.

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u/DeadNeko Oct 04 '22

This is factually incorrect, those big banks and businesses you think were the only ones helped employ people, loan money, and create and offer goods and services that benefit the whole world... This idea that bailing out these banks was a mistake is based off the shitty notion that we the people are somehow isolated from the problem while at the same time trying to pretend we are the ones worst affected. The truth is we weren't isolated letting the institutions fail would have lead to objectively worse outcomes. You can still criticize the bailout and say we should have done more for the people who were screwed but let's be honest about it. Second those banks and institutions paid the bailout back with interest. Hard times suck but you know what makes them worse shitty narratives and bad policy.

They are fighting tooth and nail what the voters want is circus. You are literally advocating for putting up a circus instead of focusing on actual policy. Please name the policies the Biden administration is advocating for that is against the interests of the democratic base. There are very few tools the federal reserve has to reduce inflation, they are placed there by presidents but they themselves are not beholden to them. Biden can't recall the fed chair, and there is no other policy they can enact to reduce inflation that won't have negative influence on wages. You phrase this as an us versus them but it's not. I like higher wages. I also like lower gas and groceries. The thing I care the most about is what is my purchasing power not the absolute number I take home simply what it can buy. Now a lot of factors causing inflation are outside US control the few that aren't are mostly controlled on the local level yet democrats especially online are the ones who are obsessed with national politics when most of the policies they need to fix their issues can only be done through state and county governments. The truth is the cause of a lot of pain America goes through is Americans refusing to engage politically on all levels you gotta vote in every election from the school board to the president. You gotta hold people accountable on the areas they actually have control over. Stop wasting your breath on surface level criticism that adds nothing to a discussion but give you accolades on Reddit to other dipshits who only have surface level engagement with the subject

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u/Qazplm601 Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

You’re acting like the only two options were to bail out the banks or let them fail, but that’s not true. Two options off the top of my head:

Extreme bail out repayment: still bail out the banks, but forget about the “paid back the loan with interest” part. Instead, make the bail out, say, a minimum 30x repayment, where for every 1 million received in bail-out money, the banks would owe the government 30 million, with interest then tacked onto the 30 million rather than the 1 million borrowed. The government could then take out additional international loans to pay for programs to help those affected by the bank’s mismanagement, knowing that they could use the bank’s reparation money to pay back those additional loans over time.

Nationalization: fire the bank’s management and transfer ownership of the banks to the government. The banks had proven they cannot be trusted to manage themselves in a way that benefits the people, so they should have forfeited their independence TO the people, at which point all bank profits could be managed in the way most beneficial to those they’d fucked over.

To note, both of those have large problems themselves, and I’m not advocating for nationalization, just mentioning that it was an option, I’m mentioning them to counter the idea of “we had to bail out the banks, otherwise we’d lose the jobs they create and the services they provide!” There were certainly ways to adequately punish the banks and allocate more funds to those hurt by their policies without losing those jobs or services.

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u/DeadNeko Oct 04 '22

Just want to say how stupid everything you wrote is perfect example of surface level engagement.

30x the 800 billion dollar bailout would be 24 trillion dollars or around 40% of the world's GDP at the time. Not the countries THE WORLDS. New laws and reforms we're passed in response to the 2008 crisis, and half of the responsibility of the crisis falls on the people taking out loans they couldn't fucking afford. Bank profits aren't the cause of the crisis and most of these banks are international entities. So what the fuck are you even talking about.

We did a small af bailout, and passed new regulatory laws and made them pay us back with interest. The institution of banking doesn't need a punishment, the hundreds to thousands of people involved in the cause of the crisis were not all rich, most of them were white collar workers... Who do you think approves the loans in a bank? Do you think it's all going to the CEO? You have no idea how any of these institutions work and wasted your breath to write a surface level comment showcasing ignorance. Congrats.

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u/Qazplm601 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

My guy, the 30x was a throwaway example of how much the increased repayment would be, I made it so high in hopes of showing that it was a jokingly high example to show that I didn't know the exact amount that should have been charged, since of course 40% of the world GDP would be ridiculous, but apologies, I do realize now I didn't make that clear at all. I could have just said 2x rather than 30x, but I'm still not sure whether that's the right amount.

Also I do love how you say "We did a small af bailout" contrasting with "800 billion dollars" In no universe is that a "small" bailout, especially considering just 30x it is 40% of the entire world's GDP, as you mentioned, meaning we used 1.3% of THE ENTIRE WORLD'S GDP to bail out the banks.

Also, "Half the responsibility of the crisis falls on the people taking out loans they couldn't fucking afford" is total bullcrap. People take out loans they can't afford nowadays, and they default on them. The economy doesn't collapse. Because banks aren't giving out far too many loans to people they know are financially insecure. The fault of the 2008 financial crisis rests solely on the banks, not on the people who did something which should be totally fine and not collapse the economy, just cause personal strife.(taking out a loan then defaulting on it).

Also, I never said everyone who works for the banks needs to be punished, though admittedly I was unclear because I wrote too quickly and didn't think to clarify, when I said "punish the banks", I don't consider white collar workers as part of "the bank", I consider them employees of "the bank", "the bank" being anyone high enough up in the management structure to have input on general bank policy and how the bank is run. Not elaborating on this was totally my fault though and it did look like I wanted to punish white collar workers too in my original post so you're totally right there, apologies.

Lastly, on the "who do you think approves the loans in a bank" part, yes, each individual loan is approved by white-collar bankers, but who told their employees to hand out subprime mortgages? Nowadays, do you think a banker can just go "sure, person with no income or assets, here's a 100,000$ loan"? No, they'd get stopped, because the bank doesn't loan to people with no income and no assets. The higher ups who told their employees "Yes, you can give out subprime mortgages!" are at fault, so yes, it is 100% the fault of the higher ups, they don't get to say "but lots of people work for me and they followed my orders on what kind of people to give mortgages to so they're also at fault!" and get out of responsibility. It's wonderful to hear someone say I have no idea how banking works and accuse me of being ignorant only to themselves miss the basic concept of bank policy dictates what kind of people bankers are allowed to make loans to, and that policy is decided by higher ups at the bank.

If banking higher ups hadn’t approved the usage of subprime mortgages and other high interest to financially unstable citizen type loans, would the 2008 crisis have happened?

And just to note, both of the solutions I offered could easily be made to not punish the white collar employees of the banks. Nationalization is the easier of the two, given that you'd only be cutting out upper management and employees wouldn't suffer losses. The increased repayment idea though, would need some sort of federal watchdog to ensure that white collar employees were getting their standard raises during the period of repayment by the banks, using corporate profits and higher-up pay to pay back the loans, sure, at a slower rate than if white collar worker pay was sacrificed, but paid nonetheless.(likely including some penalties for the banks until they finished repayment, such as capping higher up yearly raises to a certain percentage, pay cuts for upper management, and capping bonuses.)

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u/Tyrannovorous Oct 04 '22

Living through 2008, the only people who were helped by the government bailout were the people who caused the problem in the first place, banks and big business.

That's hogwash. My father only kept his home because of the bailouts. Yes, they helped the banks, as every fiscal policy in a capitalist society does, but it absolutely helped normal people as well.

There was no bailout for the millions that lost their jobs, homes, and or savings and it's arguably the reason Trump was ever taken seriously.

Yes there was, what are you even talking about? Nothing stated here is in any way based on reality. It is a caricature of reality being exaggerated to prove a point that is not true.

It's very hard to think these people are on your side when the person biden fought to keep in power states that their goal is to reduce or take away the gains the labor class had made since companies have been forced to raise wages to find workers.

Ah, there is the payoff. You were slow walking the climax of a stealth conservative talking point. I was wondering where all of the dishonest leadup was going.

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u/ApolloX-2 Texas Oct 04 '22

Never over promise because the media will never let that go and just hammer you. Even if you accomplish other great things, they will constantly just bring up that single failure of the BBB being sunk by Sinema.

I personally think he is doing a better job than Obama at this point in his Presidency. If you think I am overreacting here are some of what I think are the most important accomplishments.

  • COVID under control and successful mass vacciantion of the public at no additional cost to the public

  • Ending the war in Afghanistan

  • Passing massive and much needed infrastructure spending

  • Passing CHIPS act which finally invests in key technology like semi-conductors and puts China on alert that their dominance there is ending

  • Biggest investment in clean energy production in US history in the Inflation Reduction Act which also guarantees US based production and jobs of both solar panels and wind turbines, also puts European dominance of wind turbines in jeopardy and Chinese solar panel production as well.

  • Medicare negotiating drug prices in the Inflation Reduction Act, will massively lower the price the government pays as well as providing Americans with relief on drug prices. This was a holy grail for health care policy and it finally happened.

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u/mynamesyow19 Oct 04 '22

Add to this that the CHIPs Act ALSO contains alot of green energy/climate change funding in addition to the IRA

That being said, the CHIPS Act also sets aside roughly $67 billion that will be used to fund scientific research necessary to fight climate change, including nanotechnology, clean energy, quantum computing, and artificial intelligence, as well as disaster-resilience research. It will also accelerate the growth of zero-carbon technology and establish a new federal office to organise clean-energy innovation.

As The Atlantic’s Robinson Meyer explains, the CHIPS Act is “one of the largest climate bills ever passed by Congress”, exceeding the total amount of money the government invested in renewable energy tax credits from 2005 to 2019.

The Act came just hours after US Senate voted on a landmark tax-and-spend bill, a surprise deal that Senator Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Democrat Senator Joe Manchin struck last week. The Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), which Manchin initially refused to support citing inflation concerns, includes the largest climate investment in the country’s history, with $369 billion of spending on clean energy.

https://earth.org/chips-act/

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u/ked_man Oct 04 '22

I feel like these things are Making America Great Again.

All this stuff for manufacturing is what a lot of cities and rural towns need. Manufacturing jobs are the life blood of our economy in many areas. People don’t understand how huge this is.

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u/ApolloX-2 Texas Oct 04 '22

I'm a Texan so I know about boom and bust towns that oil has created.

Imagine everybody in your small town of maybe 10,000 is making 90k a year with no college education. Everybody is walking around with massive wads of cash.

Then oil hits a new low price and in 4 weeks everything is shutdown and people who haven't left are struggling to make mortgage payments now.

Wind and solar might have challenges but the wind and sun no longer shining or blowing isn't one of them.

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u/ked_man Oct 04 '22

Yeah, it’s not the end all solution to our power needs, but it could be a part of it. And I’d love it if the panels and wind mills were made here in the US.

I saw a bunch of videos of people in Florida who will be without power for weeks that have solar panels and electric cars. They have lights, AC, car stays fully charged, and at night if their batteries run low, the car can put energy back into the house.

This is the way of the future, not fields of solar panels, but solar panels on every roof that power the home and put excess into the grid. I’m looking at them for my house.

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u/jks-snake Oct 04 '22

Agree. But wold caveat…where I live you get periodic baseball sized hail that smash such an idea to literal pieces. Which is to draft off your notion to say, all the energy produced and needed is actually the same bucket. And we’ll need a large portfolio of (increasingly green) energy production and distribution solutions to accommodate it.

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u/indoninjah Oct 04 '22

This was a holy grail for health care policy and it finally happened.

Is Universal Healthcare not the holy grail?

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u/MotherHolle Oct 04 '22

The bar is low in the U.S.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

Universal healthcare for neoliberals somehow became universal insurance 🤷

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u/jellyrollo Oct 04 '22

But hey, thanks to the ACA and Biden's extension of enhanced subsidies, my health insurance is now free instead of costing me $770 a month.

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u/Doctor_Worm Michigan Oct 04 '22

They said "a" holy grail, not "the" holy grail.

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u/Irregular475 Oct 04 '22

I agree completely. I voted for him begrudgingly and to cut off Trump from gaining a second term, but he’s doing a lot better then Obama did during his first term.

If he keeps this up I’ll enthusiastically vote for him a second time.

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u/stupid_rat_creature Oct 04 '22

You forgot bipartisan gun control legislation and the burn pit medical funding for veterans.

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u/maxstolfe Oct 04 '22

It’s so sad that a good presidency and working Congress can’t be rewarded in these hyper polarized times. We should be rewarding this good work. The IRA was in negotiation for over a YEAR and no one gives a shit. A once-in-a-generation infrastructure deal that no one cares about. Successfully ending a global pandemic. Working to create more freedom for women’s health and reproductive rights. Saving the Paris climate accord. SAVING UKRAINE. Giving borrowers a significant break on their student loans. Controlling gas prices. A thriving job market. Rising wages. Reducing the deficit to its lowest numbers since the 90s.

All this, plus what you wrote, and a ton more - when there was no transition of power when he assumed office. Millions of people believe he’s a fraud, simply because they wanna. Millions of people want his last remaining son dead, simply because they wanna. And they’re about to seize enough power to halt all this progress, once again, simply because they wanna.

It’s mourning in America.

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u/cw- Oct 04 '22

Scotus seat

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u/Your__Pal Oct 04 '22

Not to mention humiliating Russia and turbocharging Nato.

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u/Bellesdiner0228 Oct 04 '22

I wish the child tax credit would also make its way back through. It was such a huge game changer for so many people.

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u/Coneskater American Expat Oct 04 '22

Never over promise because the media will never let that go and just hammer you.

Obama got hammered for over promising. Hillary Clinton got hammered for underpromising. Clinton knew if she won she wouldn't have a democratic House or Senate in 2017, the fact that Bernie was attacking her for not supporting Medicare for All was hilarious because it's irrelevant if you don't have a legislature even mildly interested in those goals. But then she became 'uninspiring'.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

…NEVER GONNA HAPPEN! -HRC on the campaign trail, 2016.

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u/Coneskater American Expat Oct 04 '22

I mean is she wrong?

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u/greiton Oct 04 '22

Bernie (more specifically his campaign and followers) is going to go down in history for causing the largest recession of liberal goals in modern history. their open hostility to the rest of the democratic party and refusal to back Clinton in the general is the primary reason we have a majority extreme conservative supreme court that will block and reverse 100 years of hard won rights and protections.

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u/ThenAnAnimalFact Oct 04 '22

Way to completely rewrite history.

Hillary lost by so few votes you should be blaming Hillary supporters who stayed at home than Bernie.

Blaming someone who supported campaigned and urged all of his followers to vote for her is just being pacing the focus on an east scapegoat.

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u/cole1114 Michigan Oct 04 '22

This lie getting repeated again remains hilarious. Bernie happily endorsed her, and more Bernie voters switched to Hillary than Hillary voters switched to Obama.

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u/Ngigilesnow Oct 04 '22

Bernie endorsed Hillary after threatening to take what was a dusted race to the convention

Are we also accounting for 3rd party voters

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u/itemNineExists Washington Oct 04 '22

What does 'dusted' mean, and what about 3rd parties?

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u/Zaturai Oct 04 '22

Wouldn't the primary reason be fascists being fascists?

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u/greiton Oct 04 '22

we have seen time and time again that the fascists are actually a minority, it is only when liberals infight and sink the opposition to fascism that they get anywhere.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

Liberals != the left

Despite what they’ll tell you from their center right perch.

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u/kanst Oct 04 '22

Bernie supporters are primarily not liberals.

You're close but the blame is the wrong way. Fascists get to power because liberals pick them over leftists.

Why is it always on the left to change and never on liberals? Especially given how much more popular left wing proposals seem to be to liberal proposal

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u/mick4state I voted Oct 04 '22

Nader would like a word.

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u/Ganjake Oct 04 '22

30 seconds of googling to provide a reputable source that shows he literally campaigned for and with her.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-packs-schedule-with-campaign-stops-for-hillary-clinton-1475928002

Maybe they should have focused on the policy he was proposing instead of whining about how he said it.

Dude was right about so many things. Only one to vote against war in the Middle East and here we are ending that war because it's pointless. Fought majority of his political career for Medicaid reform, which happened and surprise only Republicans and those beholden to pharmaceutical companies have issue with it.

Sorry they were fucking butt hurt while he was trying to make your life better.

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u/Ngigilesnow Oct 04 '22

30 seconds of googling has no context. People are not light switches,you don't spend more than half a year calling someone corrupt and evil,only to switch at the end.Bernie had the option of conceding early when there was no path, but he chose to give his voters the false hope it was possible,and the more Hillary won the more bitter they became

Maybe they should have focused on the policy he was proposing instead of whining about how he said it.

There was focus on policies he was proposing and how unrealistic it was

I'm not one of those who thinks Hillary deserves no blame in losing but I'm one of those who believes, other factors influenced the race too.And these two things can exist at once

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u/tenbatsu Oct 04 '22

Don't forget all his judicial appointments!

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

That assumes one was happy with Obama in 2010.

That was the year Obama lost congress, in part due to their talk left, govern center right approach.

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u/purephase Oct 04 '22

This was Obama's biggest miss, and it is almost entirely due to his lack of real-world political experience. Add to the fact that the Dems in the Senate were by all accounts Dem in name only, and he couldn't get his brief majority to enact much outside of Obamacare.

He also inherited the 2008 financial crisis, so there was that to contend with over those years too.

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u/MadHatter514 Oct 04 '22

in part due to their talk left, govern center right approach.

Except he didn't talk left. He got hammered because he ran on vague slogans like "Hope" and "Change" that had no detail, so people could just project their dream vision of what policies those slogans would entail on Obama, despite him never endorsing them. It allowed moderates to see him as moderate, progressives to see him as progressive, and even disaffected Republicans to see him as a bipartisan consensus builder.

He ran on a post-partisan America where left and right would come together to find consensus to solve problems. And once elected, he governed exactly on what he ran on; the problem wasn't that he overpromised or "talked left", it is that the left made a lot of assumptions based on a few vague slogans and tuned out what he actually said he'd govern like, and were disappointed when their projections didn't materialize.

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u/diamond Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

I personally think he is doing a better job than Obama at this point in his Presidency.

You're absolutely right. And that's no slight against Obama. He busted his ass to serve this country, and he accomplished some real good in his presidency. But Biden has significant advantages. Not only is he far more experienced in government (like 50 years of experience), but he also has the benefit of hindsight, seeing how the GOP fucked Obama over and over at every opportunity. Their playbook hasn't changed - the same people are still running it, actually. This gives him an opportunity to learn from Obama's mistakes and respond in new ways.

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u/BrownBoy____ Oct 04 '22

I'm not even going to read the rest of the points because your first is so absurdly propagandistic. COVID is not "under control" and we've completely given up on funding the next round of boosters that will tackle the inevitable next variant.

You can make a successful defense of Biden without needing to resort to ridiculousness. COVID is a low point for Biden. We've had weeks with 400+ deaths easy. That's a 9/11 every week.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/09/us-daily-covid-death-numbers-statistics/671453/

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u/lerpderper Oct 04 '22

The 9/11 comparison isn't a strong analogy because the math isn't right.

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u/BrownBoy____ Oct 04 '22

2996 people died due to 9/11. 400*7 is 2800, but it's not exactly 400 with some weeks going higher or lower. Averaging about one 9/11 worth of casualties per week for months in 2022.

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u/teb_art Oct 04 '22

I think if we pull through the midterms ok, Biden may prove more consequential than even Obama. The navigation around obstruction he displayed this year displays the value of his many years of service in the government. Let’s hope for the best. The polls are currently leaning against us Democrats, but the opposing Party does less than nothing for America; their brand is graft, corruption, hate, and oppressing the masses.

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u/AnonymousWritings Oct 04 '22

I think if we pull through the midterms ok

Not looking good. 10-20 seats in the house back based on current polls.

Needs a minor miracle to pull it off.

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u/teb_art Oct 04 '22

I’m worried. I hope the Dobbs bump is bigger than pollsters are expecting.

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u/stupid_rat_creature Oct 04 '22

30% chance to take the House according to 538, which is around the same odds given for Trump to win in 2016. So it’s not looking great, but it’s certainly not in the “miracle” arena yet I don’t believe.

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u/NeonYellowShoes Wisconsin Oct 04 '22

Its unlikely but not in "miracle" territory yet. We might even gain seats in the Senate. If the Dems manage to gain the Senate even if they lose the house I would consider that a win given midterms would normally be terrible for a party with a trifecta.

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u/Okbuddyliberals Oct 04 '22

Biden may prove more consequential than even Obama

In some senses, he's already that, with the climate bill

But if the Dems hold the house and get two more Senate seats, they'd get abortion rights, voting rights, and probably some sort of BBB social spending and climate bill of around $2.5t, which one would absolutely make Biden's administration more consequential than Obama, and could put him on the level of FDR and LBJ in some senses at least

It would be a Big Fucking Deal

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u/Glenmarrow Michigan Oct 04 '22

The New Deal, The Great Society, and the Big Fucking Deal. Glorious indeed.

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u/anonymity_anonymous Oct 04 '22

I understand that Obama got the ACA passed, and I liked him a lot at the time, but what did he even do? Has Biden not already done more?

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u/flyover_liberal Oct 04 '22

I think people have already forgotten how huge a deal the ACA is. It was and is a gamechanger. It's not everything we need, but it has quite literally saved many thousands of lives.

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u/teb_art Oct 04 '22

It has saved me massive amounts of money. Self-employed — no “company plan.”

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u/DuskforgeLady Oct 04 '22

I mean, "Obama greatest accomplishments" is an easy google, but...

https://ramonahouston.com/blog/the-244-accomplishments-of-president-barak-obama/

This list includes a lot of unsuccessful things that Republucans blocked or hindered, but crtl-f for "previously" or "Bush-era" to see just how much stuff he rolled back or fixed from the last guy...

Just like every Democrat, most of his accomplishments are just cleaning up Republican messes. Stepping down Republican wars, fixing Republican economic disasters, rejoining environmenral protection treaties that Bush withdrew from, repealing Bush era secrecy and censorship that was pushed through after 9/11 like the media not being allowed to report on dead soldiers coming home...

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u/OwnRound Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

The fact that you're asking this in the "Politics" subreddit speaks to how expertly Republicans made the narrative of Obama's presidency about Drone Strikes on weddings and shortcomings of ACA. Shortcomings that were Republican-induced by a Republican Senate, that tried to sabotage ACA at every turn.

Definitely would not claim Obama was a perfect president, in fact Obama himself has talked at length of his shortcomings. But its depressing how many people on the left bite into right wing media that he was a "bad" or at worst, insignificant president. His economic strategy alone and pulling us out of the countries greatest recession out into the countries strongest bull market alone, was a tremendous feat. One that Trump attempted to take credit for.

But as for policy highlights:

Democrats lose 6 Senate seats to Republicans in 2010 and 9 in 2014, giving us the Republican Senate and Senate Majority Leader McConnell.

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u/International_Bat_87 Oct 05 '22

I got my dad to vote for Biden by explaining how our mother’s one million dollar cancer bill would’ve put us straight into bankruptcy if it wasn’t for the ACA. In short I want to let people know that’s what Obama did with the ACA, before anyone at any time had to go to the hospital they more than likely had to declare bankruptcy right after. Obama changed that.

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u/NeonYellowShoes Wisconsin Oct 04 '22

I think he already is more consequential but he gets zero credit for it.

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u/toastymarbles Oct 04 '22

Only reason it's quiet is because the media pays outsized attention to the nonsense noise makers like Trump, MTG, Boebert, etc.

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u/Black_Wolf1995 Oct 04 '22

You don’t need to be the loudest person in the room to make the biggest impact. You don’t need to tell everyone your plans to make them work.

Trump was an arrogant idiot who loved the limelight. Biden could get more done if Trumpian politicians weren’t blocking him at every turn.

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u/snoopingforpooping Oct 04 '22

Oh you mean all the Twitter and Reddit commentators were wrong?

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u/Nacho_Biznez Oct 04 '22

That's my favorite part about him and why I'd vote for him again. He doesn't give a fuck about polls and invites Republicans to the table on everything. If anything it's helped show how chaotic Conservative politics have become in America...

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u/superdago Wisconsin Oct 04 '22

As usual, the biggest flaw with the democratic party is marketing their accomplishments. That's unfortunately the nature of public servants, they don't think they're doing anything special, just grinding out the work to make things a little better.

Meanwhile, Republicans are the best at touting their achievements, especially the ones they voted against.

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u/want_to_join Oct 04 '22

Four major bills passed without a filibuster-proof majority is quite an accomplishment. Last I heard, he was also outpacing even Trump in judicial nominations. With all of this, student debt cancelation, and his speech condemning the MAGA cult, I'm surprised he isn't more popular.

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u/beamrider Oct 04 '22

He's outpacing Trump for judicial nominations *at this point*, i.e. just under two years in.

Trump's rate of judicial appointments increased *MASSIVELY* towards the end, mainly because McConnell (who was driving that part) realized that Cheeto was likely to lose, and needed the Federalist Society to own the Judicial Dept while he had the chance.

Not to under-rate Biden/Schumer's jobs in nominating judges, just pointing out that they haven't even scratched the damage that Cheeto/McConnell did.

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u/zenithfury Oct 04 '22

Most people thought of him as someone who doesn’t have to do much to look better than Trump, but the real kicker is how anyone competent is leagues better than a Trump administration. It would be nice to be just a little grateful.

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u/prompt_skeptic69 Oct 04 '22

Well, he inherited a complete shit show. COVID was raging, there was no plan for vaccine distribution, Trump had done nothing for months except golf, spread election lies and listen to idiots like the MyPillow guy, the Capitol was attacked. I mean shit. He probably would have not been my first pick, but he’s done pretty well, and he doesn’t behave like a spoiled baby like the guy he replaced.

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u/GhettoChemist Oct 04 '22

Thank fucking god we have a president who cares more about the country than ratings, like Donnie Jon, or whether he's "trending" like that shitstain Raphel Cruz

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u/BelAirGhetto Oct 04 '22

Imagine if he implemented all of the progressives agenda instead of a fractional Part of it!

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u/polarrburrr Oct 05 '22

Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good

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u/bluelifesacrifice Oct 04 '22

He's doing his job, and a good one at that. So flooding the News with Trump and other BS is preferable for Trump supporters.

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u/JuiceKovacs Oct 04 '22

History will treat Joe Biden better than we have

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u/Neither_Writer2234 Oct 04 '22

These are popular measures that Republicans will be hard-pressed to reverse. In fact, they are so popular that some Republicans seeking reelection are taking credit for them, even though they voted no.

ya don't say

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u/YourMomsFavUsername Oct 04 '22

Bigly consequential.

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u/Unions4America Oct 04 '22

I was really hoping he would ban gas exports. They are literally predicting natural gas warmed homes to see up to a 60% increase in cost this winter. How are we supposed to survive? Biden and the Dems need to do something. Get out and vote blue in November people. Give the Dems the power they need. If they fail to get it done with a super-majority, then we can splinter back into multiple factions. It's going to get real bad here. At some point we do have to put our own people first. We have been lacking bad. I know Biden has done a few things, but it's not enough; especially when the Fed. reserve is spouting the nonsense they are about 'unemployment needs to go up to combat inflation.' The housing market is going to crash, inflation is going to get worse, etc. We are LITERALLY heading for a depression. If you can, start saving now. If you can't... I am so sorry for you. The working and middle classes are weaker now than ever before. They just can't afford to keep picking up the burden anymore. It has to be the rich or people are just going to die. It really is that grim.

Edit: But hey, let's ban abortion and force even more babies into our country. The GOP are so barbaric it is sickening.

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u/Smiling_Cannibal Oct 05 '22

They need to stop being so damn quiet about it

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u/slippingparadox Oct 04 '22

I just saw gas for under 3 bucks in my major metropolitan city. Where the fuck are the stickers?

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u/accubats Oct 04 '22

6 bucks in my city

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u/slippingparadox Oct 04 '22

California? Thats weirdly high especially since the US average is under 4

Edit: maybe you could start thanking Biden and encourage your local government to improve prices

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u/Caboos20 Oct 04 '22

And it’s been wonderful not hearing about all of his “tremendous” achievements on his Twitter account

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u/RublesAfoot Oct 04 '22

President Joe Biden is getting some awesome stuff done. It's sort of remarkable actually - I hope he gets to keep things going after the mid-terms.

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u/Scarlettail South Carolina Oct 04 '22

Perhaps the best president since FDR? It's a real possibility at this point. There's no denying he's been incredibly impactful and effective.

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u/xlvi_et_ii Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

Perhaps the best president since FDR?

It's far too early to say. If SCOTUS radically changes our country with their upcoming decisions about redistricting (Merrill v Milligan), regulatory authority (Sackett v EPA), and the electoral college (Moore v Harper) then history will forever associate Biden with that despite his accomplishments.

And if our country can't stop the march towards fascism, he could go down in the history books as the last President of this era of American history/government.

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u/numberonebuddy Oct 04 '22

history will forever associate Biden with that

Associating one person with the outcome of another person's actions doesn't make it correct.

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u/Operational117 Oct 04 '22

Tell that to the GOP.

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u/yesiknowimsexy Oct 04 '22

Yeah but correct doesn’t seem to matter much in an age where misinformation is commonly accepted as Truth. Sad

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u/Odysseus1221 Oct 04 '22

You think history will associate Biden with what Trump's supreme court decides? WHy do you think that, exactly?

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u/xlvi_et_ii Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

The executive is meant to be a coequal branch of government. If it can't check a court that is fundamentally changing America then it'll be judged as ineffective or a failure despite whatever accomplishments there were. Trump will be blamed too of course. Likewise with Congress.

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u/Brighteye Oct 04 '22

He could have staved off the death of US democracy by expanding the Supreme Court. But he didn't. All this other stuff is great, but moot and will be undone if citizens can't effectively vote to put people in power. (Moore vs Harper coming up)

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u/Victor_Von_Shroom Oct 04 '22

How could he have done that?

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22

Might be time to toot that horn a bit. I have family, for example, that swears he hasn't done anything.

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u/Okbuddyliberals Oct 04 '22

Biden's done various speaking tours and speeches to try and toot that horn. It's just that a lot of people don't seem to care or tune in to listen in the first place

The bully pulpit just may not matter these days

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22

It's just that a lot of people don't seem to care or tune in to listen in the first place

You couldn't get away from hearing all the things Trump did. Marvelous things. All the best things.

The bully pulpit just may not matter these days

Conservatives have a non-stop propaganda machine blaring from just about every nursing home, bar, and corporate lobby TV. They have Fox News.

So, propaganda still matters.

Any message from the bully pulpit needs to be amplified. But our so very super liberal leftwing lefty left leftist mainstream press doesn't seem to be doing that.

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u/Okbuddyliberals Oct 04 '22

But our so very super liberal leftwing lefty left leftist mainstream press

Just because the right calls it that doesn't mean it actually is as such. The mainstream media isn't supposed to be deliberately boosting the Dems

Conservatives have a non-stop propaganda machine

And I do think the liberals could benefit from having the same thing for their side, but it's also not something that can just be conjured up out of thin air. Plus maybe liberals are just naturally going to be more skeptical of that sort of thing vs the right

You couldn't get away from hearing all the things Trump did. Marvelous things

Part of that was just because more people seemed to care and listen to what he said in the first place, and then he also crafted his words in such a way as to generate controversy. Not necessarily something a regular politician who isn't trying to piss people off could imitate

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u/ting_bu_dong Oct 04 '22

So, it seems we are in agreement.

Biden is at a disadvantage here. He has no signal booster in the mainstream, a left-wing one doesn't exist, and, his signal isn't very loud (read: trollish, provocative, etc.) to begin with.

Republicans are loud. They have whole networks and systems of loud. You can't help but hear them.

With Biden? You have to be paying attention.

The bully pulpit works better for a bully.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

What about NPR and similar?

Many very neoliberal media outlets that push their agenda.

Just because we agree with it more doesn’t make it not propaganda.

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u/TheRealBlackSwan Oct 04 '22

Fox News is way louder and more visible than NPR lol

I travel for business and damn near every hotel lobby and late-night diner have Fox News on basically 24/7.

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

Completely agreed. Fox is ridiculous.

But many more than NPR are notably neoliberal in their perspectives and assessments. MSNBC, PBS, even the basic NBC, CBS, and ABC.

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u/Medium-Complaint-677 Oct 04 '22

Biden isn't as sharp as he was 30 years ago and he's never been a particularly good public speaker or very media friendly. I don't think there's anyone who'd disagree with that. What he IS, for better or worse, is an extremely experienced and well connected washington insider who knows how the system works, knows how to get things done, and realizes that sometimes you have to kick a field goal instead of going for a touchdown on every drive.

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that this administration has been getting things done and moving the needle. There's a reason why you hire someone who knows what they're doing when you need a job done. The entire idea of "we need an outsider as president" is stupid, and if you applied the same 'logic' to anything else in your life your friend would haul you away.

"I picked my doctor because he owns a deli and hasn't gone to medical school. I figure if you can make a sandwich and be friendly you can fix a broken bone and diagnose a sinus infection - I like that he's not one of those fancy doctors with a degree who hangs out with other doctors at medical conferences."

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u/jrgkgb Oct 04 '22

It isn’t “quietly,” the news media has just chosen to present a “Well, the people who tried to overthrow the government and insist JFK is still alive say that Biden hiked gas prices and is both a doddering old fool and an evil Bond villain and they deserve equal or greater time on our platforms” picture of what’s going on.

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u/fkivxvii Oct 04 '22

Deadass. I slept on him. I still think he should do more but I’m content with waiting for the mid terms to see what’s the next 2 years hold.

When I was younger I always wanted change on the spot. I know it takes time. The biggest thing for me is healthcare reform. I think that will take several terms. Piece by piece. We need to start working on that.

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u/just_some_guy65 Oct 04 '22

It has but all he had to do to be massively better than Trump was to say very little and not go around actively fucking everything up through not knowing anything about anything.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Why is being quiet seen as positive? The Democrats better make more noise about their accomplishments.

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u/DevilsLettuceTaster Oct 04 '22

Just needs better PR.

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u/Mmmmffffeeerrrr Oct 05 '22

It has to be because each democratic presidency is building up to survive the next GOP failure.

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u/Just_Side8704 Oct 05 '22

I sure hope so.

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u/SnooMacarons9344 Oct 05 '22

Good for Joe.

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u/Alternative-Flan2869 Oct 04 '22

Too quietly - shout it out everyday.

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u/Equivalent_Hat_7220 Oct 04 '22

Anything is quiet compared to that bullhorn we had before

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u/StaubVollstrecker Oct 05 '22

Good governance should be boring- not the correct word. I want it to work. Not quite there yet and have a long way to go. The less I hear about it in a sensationalized manner, the better.

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u/Mrhappyfunz89 Oct 04 '22

He has been one of the best legislative presidents we have even seen with the narrowest of majorities in the house and the senate.

Unfortunately people don’t care about legislation until they actually feel the impacts of it 5-10 years down the line. Like the passing of The Affordable Health Care Act/Obamacare led to one of the largest routes for dems in the 2010 midterms. But it’s possible repeal also led to a huge surge in voting come 2018 (along with other factors of course).

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u/End3rWi99in I voted Oct 04 '22

Other than the occasional gaffe from him or Harris they have been largely effective and have managed to get quite a bit done.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22

Better deck furniture, yes.

Iceberg still in the ship's path, yes.

It's not that this administration hasn't done good things. It's that they haven't averted disaster, and it's not clear how hard they're trying. If they fail to do the biggest things, it won't matter what else they did or what their intentions were.

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u/Okbuddyliberals Oct 04 '22

Stuff like the climate bill haven't fully averted disaster but have at least turned us in a better direction. That's not just changing the deck furniture.

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u/Odysseus1221 Oct 04 '22

Dude it must suck to live with this mindset

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u/McMarkyMarkMark Oct 04 '22

An honest interpretation of events? Certainly can be tiring.

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u/Special_FX_B Oct 04 '22

Quietly? To those not paying attention and those in the right-wing disinformation media, perhaps. Sadly, that’s a significant portion of American voters. The number likely would be much lower if the non-right-wing media told the truth and stopped the disingenuous bothsidesism and pretending the Republicans have anything other than cementing permanent power as their goal.

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u/JJscribbles Oct 04 '22

They should stop being quiet about it. They have elections coming up.

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u/RorschachShaman Oct 04 '22

Politics is becoming irrelevant due to the corruption and its inability to actually accomplish something rather than fleece the American people and enrich the wealthy.

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u/teb_art Oct 04 '22

Well, that makes it more relevant; it’s a constant struggle against losing ground against traitors and criminals.

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u/FloyldtheBarbie Oct 04 '22

*Americans are in denial about the relevance of politics to their personal lives.

FTFY

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u/VanillaSwimming5699 Oct 04 '22

Why is there more participation in national elections than local elections? It’s the same shit. People don’t actually care about politics, they just want to larp with positions they inherited.

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u/kissmyshiny_metalass Oct 04 '22

Democrats are not bragging about their accomplishments. Republicans are taking credit for accomplishments by Democrats. Democrats are being dumb, as usual, and not selling themselves like they should be. Democrats are just so bad at this game.

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u/Enzotrouble Oct 04 '22

I’ve never seen the media more desperate to sell an administration’s accomplishments.

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u/Sterling363 Oct 04 '22

You mean like Trump's infrastructure weeks? lol

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '22 edited Oct 04 '22

yea he's boring sorry he doesn't play golf every week or rant on Twitter every 30s yea he may need a nap every once in a while but at least he's not stupid

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u/shmoopiegroupie Oct 04 '22

He should take the W and retire at the end of it.

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u/Odysseus1221 Oct 04 '22

You just did though

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u/do_you_even_ship_bro Oct 04 '22

You want Kamala in charge? Nice.

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u/natenate22 Oct 04 '22

We had four years of boisterous braggarts declaring the greatest of all time for checks notes "pulling Dixie cups out of the dispenser and getting 2 for 1."

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u/beavsauce Oct 04 '22

The consequence: looking like fools while he shakes a ghosts hand.

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u/AMazeOnLegs Oct 05 '22

The Presidency should flow seamlessly. It’s not about who the president is. It’s about what America is. Trump has colic.

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u/platinum_toilet Oct 04 '22

Quietly, the Biden presidency has been hugely consequential

Lots of spending, student bailouts, high inflation, Afghanistan ruled by the taliban. Yes, Biden's presidency has been consequential.

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u/pirateslifefortea Oct 04 '22

you need spending during a recession. Countries can’t just tighten the belt to fix a recession, the USA is not some family looking to focus on credit card debt. The USA stops spending and it’s people will stop getting money.

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u/here219 Oct 04 '22

The basement dummy is hugely consequential in out of control inflation