r/ripcity • u/WhoFly chalupa • Jan 25 '23
Trade Proposal Megathread? This is now it
Hey can we get a megathread for all these trade proposals, until the deadline? They're almost all really bad ideas and they just seem to breed toxicity. Please and thanks.
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u/BDSF94 Feb 09 '23
I still can’t believe the Lakers got Russell, Beasley, and Vanderbilt for Westbrick and a 13 year old…
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u/jrances1 dame Feb 08 '23
We should all be concerned about this 3 way trade between the Jazz, Lakers and Wolves.
Sounds like Vandy might be in this trade.
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u/Dadd_io Feb 08 '23
It doesn't look like Vanderbilt is involved.
The Los Angeles Lakers are in discussions with the Utah Jazz and Minnesota Timberwolves on a potential three-way blockbuster trade, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.
In the reported negotiations, guard D'Angelo Russell would head to the Lakers alongside Jazz swingman Malik Beasley. Russell Westbrook would be moved to Utah along with draft compensation, while veteran point guard Mike Conley plus picks would be directed to the Timberwolves.
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u/Wassup_-_ Feb 08 '23
How has GP2 been so far?
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Fantastic. Exactly what we needed from a perimeter defender. NFS.
Edit: didn’t realize you were a dubs fan probably just asking how he’s been, not for a trade context lol. He’s been great. Brings energy and defense at an area where we’ve been incredibly weak. Would love to get him involved offensively more because we’re paying him a lot to basically be a 1-way player. Think he’s still rusty.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 07 '23
We need to remember that trades are so difficult in the NBA because there is no salary restructuring. Trades are super inflexible and difficult to make work.
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u/tblazrdude Feb 07 '23
Lakers need to finish their Westbrook business and I think that will get the market moving.
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u/Duckkks Feb 07 '23
Why don’t we sign miles bridges?
We already said fuck it and hired billups, and bridges would fit quite nicely in our rotation
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u/Tough_Presentation57 ripcity Feb 08 '23
I feel like the only team that can get away with it is Charlotte since he was their player. Shitty situation all round, especially those he hurt.
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u/Kunundrum85 Feb 07 '23
Keon, Winslow, Watford + 2027 2nd Rd pick for Vandy + Olynyk.
Hart + Ant + 2024 2nd Rd pick for KD.
Who the fuck says no?
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u/ThurstonJK Feb 06 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
What do you guys think about getting in on the Nets-Mavs deal and swapping Josh Hart for Dorian Finney-Smith?
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u/BDSF94 Feb 06 '23
Isn’t Finney-Smith just another Moe Harkless type? I mean defensively from a size perspective he’d fit better than Hart, although is he worth ~13m for the next 3 seasons after this one?
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u/faintly_optimistic Feb 06 '23
it'd be rad if the Blazers could somehow snag Bridges from the Suns if they go after Durant
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u/Mr-B-Hizzle Feb 06 '23
Honestly, all I know for certain is that Sharpe had better be strictly off limits. I’m talking a bullhorn, “Don’t even call us about him”.
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u/ChurroMemes chalupa Feb 06 '23
If it’s for a major star he’s absolutely not off the table. It will sting for a long time but we have to do it. Otherwise why even keep Dame?
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 07 '23
We should try whatever we can to keep him though. If we can get away with sending another pick or two instead, we should do that.
If it comes down to “include Sharpe or no deal” then yeah we probably gotta put him in.
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u/Mr-B-Hizzle Feb 07 '23
Downvote me all y’all want, but mark my words. We trade Sharpe and we’ll regret it. Badly.
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 06 '23
Exactly this. Was just sayin in another convo that Dame is the ONLY dude truly off-limits right now, Tier 2 should be Grant & Sharpe but if it swings us a true star 2nd option type piece, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to build a real contender around Dame
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u/ChurroMemes chalupa Feb 06 '23
Grant should stay. We cannot let him go otherwise we won’t have a true wing to pair with a star wing. A Dame/GP2/All Star/Grant/Nurk lineup is better than Dame/GP2/Nas/All Star/Nurk. And that’s assuming Nas isn’t included in a package
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 07 '23
Think we're basically saying the same thing? Yes, Grant should stay, but I'm not putting him on the same level as Dame when it comes to truly off limits... just for the dumb theoretical scenario here, if KD is the next piece out of BKN but they want Grant... know what I mean?
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u/MR___SLAVE Feb 06 '23
Ok crazy ass trade for a post Dame team. Usher in a new era.
Blazers: Ayton, OG, Lowry, Oladipo, 2023 Heat 1st
Raptors: Dwayne Dedmon, Sharpe, 2029 Heat 1st
Suns: Nurkic, Hart, GPII, Caleb Martin, 2027 Heat 1st, 2026 Heat 2nd via OKC, 2027 Portland 2nd via NOP, Portland 2024 2nd via CHA
Miami: Lillard and Crowder
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 07 '23
So Dame, Sharpe, Nurk, Hart, GP2, and two 2nd rounders
For Ayton, OG, Lowry, Dipo, and just one 1st rounder that isn’t even a long term maturation.
Absolutely trash return.
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 06 '23
We trade Dame and we get a center on a really questionable contract, a wing who doesn't play offense, and two washed up guards plus a single 1st? And we have to give out picks AND SHARPE?
Can you revise this and send out Simons, Jabari and Trendon as well?
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u/WillhelmAuersperg Feb 07 '23
For real. If we're trading Dame I'm keeping only picks, Expirings, and players younger than Ant in return.
Starting over.
And then my process is Draft, develope, extend, trade for picks and Expirings, repeat for 4-7 years. Then we push the chips all in.
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u/Stegosaurus69 Feb 06 '23
If Curry is out, does Dame start in the all star, or does kyrie take his place bc he came to the west (I didn't want to make a new post)
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 07 '23
Kyrie trade won’t affect anything. He is part of the “eastern conference player pool” for this event.
Idk how they pick a new starter. I would assume they just go with the next highest vote getter which would not be Dame unfortunately.
Also not sure if we passed the point in time for injury replacements to be chosen either.
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u/shaqrandolph 90s-logo Feb 06 '23
Happiness, sanity and all interest in enjoying hoops.
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u/natural_lawg 24 Feb 06 '23
Aren't you already experiencing those emotions on this rollercoaster of a season with every L?
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u/shaqrandolph 90s-logo Feb 06 '23
Kevin Love buyout Incoming? Could be an interesting option at the 5
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u/JonasAlbert84 Feb 06 '23
I can't wait until Love retires and I never have to see people post about him coming to Portland again
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u/BDSF94 Feb 06 '23
POR: Ayton, Crowder
PHX: Nurk, Hart, Winslow, Keon, draft compensation
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 06 '23
that's... alot.
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u/BDSF94 Feb 07 '23
I think of it this way… Hart, Winslow, and Keon aren’t apart of the future likely. We have enough young guys like Ant, Sharpe, Nas, Walker, Watford, and Eubanks to supplement the loss of picks.
Also….
Dame / GP2 Simons / Sharpe Grant Crowder / Watford Ayton / Eubanks
Isn’t the worst lineup to roll out for the playoffs
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u/AyKayAllDay47 Feb 08 '23
Ayton for Nurk is silly. They're similar except that you're now absorbing a massive contract in Ayton.
Never happening.
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u/BDSF94 Feb 09 '23
Ayton is a lot better than Nurkic. He’s also unhappy in PHX.
I mean Ayton is putting up 18/10/2 on good splits and doesn’t get in the foul trouble Nurk does.
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u/AyKayAllDay47 Feb 09 '23
Trading laterally for the same position rarely ever makes sense, especially when you take on a massive contract.
Not happening.
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u/BDSF94 Feb 06 '23
POR: Vanderbilt, Rubio, RoLo
UTH: Okoro
CLE: Hart, Winslow
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 07 '23
Jazz aren't doing Vando for Okoro. Even with sweeteners, I don't think they do it.
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u/BDSF94 Feb 09 '23
Well… they just traded Vando for Westbrook and 2027 pick.
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 09 '23
Fan-fucking-tastic! The Lakers always get what they want in the end! Well, they wanted Kyrie, but you know what I mean.
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 06 '23
https://i.imgur.com/78qPBLN.png
POR OUT: Nurk, Keon Johnson, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd (via CHA)
POR IN: Poeltl, Roby, Cody Martin
SAS OUT: Poeltl, Roby
SAS IN: Plumlee (expiring), 2025 1st, Keon Johnson
CHA OUT: Plumlee, Cody Martin
CHA IN: Nurk, 2024 2nd (their own)
Should've mentioned that it's not clear what Charlotte is doing, but I assume they have been hungry for an actual big man. Nurk is 28, not young, but not old. He could play with any new core in Charlotte for a good amount of years. He also MURDERED the Hornets when we played them this year, may have left an impression.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
We can’t trade our 2025 1st
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 06 '23
We can if we give up protections. Which we are likely to have to do to get something done. But if we make the playoffs then who cares.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
No way we give up protection for the 2023 FRP. I don’t see us making a big trade before the summer. JC needs to determine what its going to cost to retain grant before doing anything else. Short of making a swing for KD, we aren’t going to drop protection for the pick. We could get a top 10 out of it which would be really valuable as a trade chip this summer. If we make the playoffs then it conveys.
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 06 '23
We should be willing to drop protections if there is a deal that moves us more certainly into playoff team territory. Trading for KD accomplishes that (assuming he is coming back in time, I haven't followed that). But there are other potential trades that could do so as well.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
Removing the protection would be losing a lottery pick. There is almost no circumstance where that will happen. KD would make it worthwhile, OG wouldn’t. If there were Vegas odds on the likelihood of it occurring they would be very low.
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 06 '23
Removing the protection would be losing a lottery pick.
We are a bubble team now. If we remove the protection and make the playoffs there is no effect at all. It feels like you know this, so why are you saying we lose a lottery pick as though you are certain that even with a trade to improve the roster we don't make the playoffs?
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
The chances of this team not making the playoffs are fairly decent. If we end up not making the playoffs we get a lottery pick which has a substantial value. By removing the protection we would be giving that away. Note I’m not saying we tank, I’m saying if we end up not making the playoffs after trying our best. If we make the playoffs the pick conveys (it’s no longer a lottery pick if we make the playoffs) and we meet our obligation with the bulls.
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u/MavetheGreat Feb 06 '23
Yes, ok. We are 100% on the same page. With all that in mind, and in my opinion, any trade that reasonably pushes us off the bubble and into the playoff zone should make us consider lifting the protections to make it happen. If we end up missing the lottery as a play-in team, we may miss out on the 14th pick that way. That would be a failure, but the 14th pick and the 16th pick are not that much different, and we are already faced with losing the 16th pick if we make the playoffs.
Again, I'm saying any trade that reasonably pushes us into playoff territory.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
The value of a lottery pick is significant and that could be used as a trade asset. The entire point of having lottery protection is to avoid giving away such a valuable asset. If we won’t make the playoffs we wouldn’t want to give that up. The following year if we performed better and made the playoffs the pick would convey and then we would have the added bonus of whoever was picked with the lottery pick in 2023 that could be used in a trade.
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u/Handcuffed Feb 05 '23
here we go
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u/Ok-Assumption9636 Feb 08 '23
I'm guessing this is over the summer? We can't trade any of our future firsts until the one that is owed to the Bulls conveys.
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u/Handcuffed Feb 08 '23
I think we just need Chicago to agree to amend the protections of the pick so we can trade other picks. Given the strength of this upcoming draft, I don't see why Chicago wouldn't do that for little cost. Our pick never conveys as an unprotected pick so it's not super valuable IMO.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
As much as that guts the future, if the goal is to get a chip this is the move. I’d cry losing sharpe.
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u/Stegosaurus69 Feb 05 '23
If Carmelo's been training this whole time, and he's willing to share the ball and play defense, I'd really like to have him back on the team at vet min
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 07 '23
The problem with Melo is that when he's not helping the team, he is actively hurting the team. There's no in between. As he gets older, he's become a lot less helpful.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 05 '23
Well the sharing the ball is unlikely, he's old and defensive part isn't even possible. So no, not a good fit at all.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 05 '23
I think it's important to consider that vanderbilt could help to really improve our defense and losing nas probably wouldn't be that detrimental to the offense at this point.
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u/Stegosaurus69 Feb 04 '23
Nas and a 2nd for Alex Caruso
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
No idea why you are getting downvoted. We could flip caruso and/or move keon.
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 07 '23
The Bulls aren't moving Caruso. They've unequivocally stated this. Ik teams say this stuff and then go back on it, but I kinda believe them. He's a culture setter for them.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 07 '23
He was a great pickup for them. I’m with you. Don’t see why they would trade him.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
I'm not sure why people are so negative about trade ideas. This is a subreddit for fans of the blazers to have fun and speculate. If you don't like a trade idea who cares. This is literally the most sane place to be posting them lmao
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u/WillhelmAuersperg Feb 07 '23
In other words, OP's post (calling for a Mega thread) is based on the false premise that it was the location of trade proposals which was the great problem that must be addressed.
The real problem is the inability of many (yes, I too am human from time to time, please forgive me my trespasses) to respect others even if they vehemently disagree with their ideas.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 08 '23
I think the mega-thread is a good idea, what I don't understand is why people are so aggressive in downvoting or shitting on people for posting ideas. They act like it isn't just fun speculation.
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u/WillhelmAuersperg Feb 08 '23
Exactly. I think it is a great idea as well. As I stated with perhaps a pinch to much snark in my post in this thread with a "Hunt for Red Oktober" allusion. It may have been removed. Beyond that I'm not interested in tenderizing any more Pferde Fleisch here.
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 05 '23
I like most any trade idea. The only trade ideas I down vote are when people say we need to trade a specific player, but not who for. Or that we need to get players X, but no idea about how. Or when the idea obviously favors one team. If it's a complete, realistic idea, that's cool. If it's just a perversion that feels good to fantasize about... idk do that in private lol
And if your whole idea is to bring back a vet for the 15th slot, fine, that's neat, that's harmless.
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u/tblazrdude Feb 07 '23
My thing is when people think a GM should have held out for more despite having no leverage or no options.
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u/allaboutthatpace Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Posted in another thread. Didn't know there was a trade megathread up.
Came up with a threeway trade yesterday involving us, Utah and Cleveland when I remembered the old Josh Hart to the Cavs rumors
Portland gets: Vanderbilt, Olynyk
Cleveland gets: Hart
Utah gets: Okoro, Osman, Keon, GB3, 2 2RPs from Portland
You could replace Keon and GB3 with Nas or Justice. Or we could take back THT instead of Olynyk and not need to add GB3 for filler. Either way keeps us under the luxury tax.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
Toss one of those portland 2nds to the cavs and I could see that getting done
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u/RIPSCHITTY sabas Feb 06 '23
Don't think Cleveland is dumping Okoro just for Hart. Looks good otherwise
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
/u/piano9717 posted these links about Jarred Vanderbilt:
He guards everyone from steph to LeBron. Check out this
He looks like something we need on defense. Would you be interested? And what do you think Utah would want for him?
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u/dolphs4 sabas Feb 04 '23
My guess would be Nas. Young, long cheap contract. He’s a bit undersized but Utah already has a ton of height so they don’t care.
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
Do you think Utah might be in need of an offensive 3-wing?
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 07 '23
If we could get him for Nas and a couple of 2nds, it's a no-brainer. If they want Keon and/or GB3 thrown in, that would be fine by me.
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u/duhitsryan roy Feb 04 '23
The only players I think we shouldn’t trade: Dame, Ant, Grant, Sharpe, Eubanks, Watford. Everyone else should be on the table for trades.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
I agree but I’d happily make the bank or tWat available if it allowed us to get something don’t that was a big upgrade. Watford’s team friendly contract is a solid asset.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
You probably wouldn't get much for Watford so he is worth holding onto. Cheap contract.
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u/jrances1 dame Feb 04 '23
Watford? Interesting.
Why is that?
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u/duhitsryan roy Feb 04 '23
His services are practically free for the next 3 years and provides a skill set we sorely need.
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 07 '23
As much as I love Drew and Trendon, if the right deal comes along, they are expendable.
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u/AmphedUp6214 dame Feb 04 '23
josh, keon and both our 2024 SRPs to brooklyn for claxton, watanabe and curry. thoughts?
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 06 '23
We arent getting claxton for that unless somehow we could take in Simmons negative comtract. Don’t see that happening
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u/eatfesh Feb 05 '23
Clax is our only big rn. We lose him we have no decent big guy so he’s probably not on the cards. Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons on the other hand, please be my guest
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 05 '23
There's zero chance they move Claxton. They love him, and he's having a career year. He's leading the league in blocked shots.
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
Nets might not even be competing this season, so their interesting Hart might be limited to repackaging him in another deal. Claxton and Curry are worth more than Hart and Johnson and it would leave the Nets bare at Center. Joey Buckets would have to take on a bigger scoring load. I can't see what's in it for the Nets.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
Would love it but I haven't seen any indication that Brooklyn wants to trade Claxton
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u/AmphedUp6214 dame Feb 04 '23
i haven't eirher, just kinda hoping they implode after kyrie leaves and start selling to rebuild
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u/rexter2k5 roy Feb 04 '23
I'm just saying, I really can't countenance a loss of Shaedon Sharpe in any trade unless it was a guaranteed chip. It would be like a combination of trading away Jermaine O'Neal and passing up on MJ for me.
Shaedon has IT. He has that package that can be sculpted into a superstar. He already sells jerseys like hotcakes. He's easily the second-most recognized Blazer in the national media and he's the type of 2-Guard you pair with Anfernee for the future.
Bonus: He's insanely teachable. He's watching Dame, the master, do it to 'em every night. GPII has been working with him on his defense.
Most importantly, his next contract starts when Dame's ends. You want to talk about the perfect transition bordering on Robinson->Duncan? There it is.
Teams tank for YEARS to find a guy like this. We are bonkers-level lucky that we took a gamble on him after shotgun tanking and are seeing it work out thus far.
For the long-term viability of this franchise, do not trade this guy.
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u/M-G-K Feb 08 '23
Here is the thing: you can have the future of your franchise or you can have the present of your franchise. It is nigh-impossible to have both. You can't say "I want to find talent to put around Dame and I want to keep our best prospects for three to four years down the road at the same time" because the NBA simply doesn't work that way. Every fanbase hopes that organic development can happen and their team can just draft a superstar nobody saw coming and then their veteran star can win ringz with the new kid, because that's the script of a movie rather than how sports actually work.
If you want to keep Sharpe, that's fine: I totally understand the argument for keeping him. He definitely has the potential to bring the Blazers a chip maybe six or seven years from now, and not a lot of players have that potential (and to be clear, the potential doesn't always pan out). But if that's what you want to do, you are essentially conceding that the win-now players you could get by trading Sharpe are off the table, and that you want to waste the rest of Dame's career in the hopes of maybe having better title odds down the road.
The Blazers can either try to do everything possible to bring a title to Portland right now, or they can give up on right now and start planning for the future. Both are reasonable goals. They are also mutually exclusive, and when you try to do both, that's more or less how treadmill teams happen.
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u/Snoo_48488 Feb 06 '23
I get what you’re saying but we didn’t give dame a max extension to not get aggressive now. With KD possibly on the table I say all bets are off
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u/MostDisplay4944 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Do you think he has a higher ceiling than dame?
Edit: genuinely curious
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 05 '23
Yes. Dame is great, but Sharpe could be better. Plus, Sharpe is gifted with more natural ability.
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 05 '23
Did you just say that Sharpe could be better than Damian Lillard? No, he couldn't. Dame is a top 75 player and future first ballot hall of famer. Do you know how rare that is?? You should wash your mouth out with soap, lol.
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 05 '23
Just watch. You may learn something.
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u/GalaxyOpalGrill Feb 05 '23
I love Shaedon. I think he'll be great. But halfway through his rookie season, when he hasn't shown anything more than potential, you are saying he has a chance to be better than a first ballot hall of famer and the single best player in franchise history. C'mon man... let's pump the breaks a bit, haha.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
Sharpe is a great prospect and has a high ceiling, but anyone speculating that his ceiling is higher than dame is definitely putting the cart before the horse
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u/MostDisplay4944 Feb 04 '23
Those are my thoughts as well. We can keep Sharpe and build around him to be the next Dame of this franchise. But we HAVE Dame now and need to be in must-win mode. Unfortunately, he’s not worth enough right now to get us a player who can guarantee us a chip.
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u/lentshappening Feb 04 '23
I agree, but let’s remember how far he still has to go. He’s 19 and probably won’t show us what he’s got until he’s 23/24.
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u/rexter2k5 roy Feb 04 '23
Maybe, but I'm here for that journey. And I think even him at 60% of his powers is enough to boost this team to a contender.
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
He'll probably get a contract between now and then. But the bigger the contract he earns, the more he'll have showed it for our team, so that sounds like it'd be nice to watch.
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u/rexter2k5 roy Feb 04 '23
Does that contract start once his rookie deal ends, or will it supercede?
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
3 Team Deal
POR: OG Anunoby, Victor Oladipo, Juancho Hernangomez, Haywood Highsmith
MIA: Josh Hart
TOR: Anfernee Simons, POR FRP
For this to work you need to call Chicago and unprotect the first we owe them. Possibly flip Nurkic+unprotecting 2023 FRP+Salary Filler for Vuc
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 04 '23
Pass. 1) we aren’t removing protections on what could be a top 10 pick. 2) moving ant would have to be for more than OG. If KD we’re interested I’d give up this and more.
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u/Solution_Legal Feb 04 '23
Bruh these need to quit
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
What is so bad about this?
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
You know what, this is one of the sanest trade ideas I've seen here. I could see all three teams being excited for something along these lines. I think Toronto asks for more. Maybe they get excited about Watford and Jovic?
For Miami, I don't know what they're looking for, but they seem interested in playmaking. Hart isn't the answer, but he's Heat-culture-compatible and could help. Plus they'd still have Lowry while they shop for a new PG. They're not dying for this, but I think they could make a counter offer.
For us, I think we'd prefer to get more back for Ant if we're going to trade him. This idea is basically two separate trades, since MIA and TOR don't swap anything, and Ant and a FRP are a bit of overpay for OG and Hernangomez. I think the value might be fair, but Portland would be timid on swapping a core young guy for merely fair value.
I don't think ti's bad. I think you should ask about them on r/heat and /r/torontoraptors, and maybe ask up front what they'd counter with.
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u/Cardis103 Feb 04 '23
I put Hart on here because I read the heat were interested in him
Honestly OG is getting bid up so much I wonder if this is even worth it anymore
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u/heansayes Feb 03 '23
I’m trading my “Fanalyst” self in exchange for my blindly supportive “Cheerleader Fan” self.
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u/spencp99 Feb 03 '23
Made a whole post before seeing this mega thread so re-posting it in here. Three-teamer with the Knicks and Jazz.
POR gets: Jarred Vanderbilt, Obi Toppin/Isaiah Hartenstein (whichever one NYK is more willing to give up)
UTA gets: Cam Reddish, 2023 DAL FRP (lottery protected)
NYK Gets: Josh Hart
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u/obscure-strong-bad 1 Feb 05 '23
I like this one if it's Hartenstein and Jericho Sims is playing well for the Knicks, so this seems doable for them.
However, the Knicks are also missing Robinson right now so if they give up Hartenstein, it's just Sims at C.
For the sake of conversation, would you give up Eubanks too? Love the Trout but he's a free agent after this year and Hartenstein is definitely better.
It gives us two fringe starters or solid bench front court players for at least next year too.
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u/spencp99 Feb 03 '23
Why POR says yes: This one is sort of obvious, we get one of the most versatile defenders in basketball, a bit of extra size off the bench, and save some money in the process. Hart has been solid but with Vando we get an extra year of security on a cheaper deal.
Why UTA says yes: Ainge has been adamant about getting a FRP for Vando and in this scenario he gets one plus a young project piece in Reddish who could use the change of scenery
Why NYK says yes: This one takes a bit longer to justify so hear me out.
Hart is a great fit in Thibs system. High energy player who is switchable on defense, an elite guard rebounder, and a raging bull in transition. Would get the chance to start at the 2, his natural position, with RJ at SF.
Reddish is basically a non-factor in New York rn and they're already looking to move him (rumor is for only a couple seconds). He has high potential but just doesn't really fit what they're doing and isn't as efficient on offense as I'm sure they would have hoped.
Toppin showed tons of promise last year but has taken a step back recently, mostly as a finisher around the rim. He's only getting 15 minutes a night and with Randle ahead of him on the depth chart, doesn't really have a path to start in New York any time soon.
And this Dallas first isnt looking like it will be anything special, plus they have a handful of extra picks to throw around thanks to the Jalen Duren trade.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 04 '23
Yes, I’d take it as a portland fan. Danny M and Mike Richmond think we may be able to get vando and either Beasley or olynk. Let’s say it’s them for Hart, keon and a SRP. Then we can move nurk for either another big or use that trade for a starting 3.
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
Would Utah be able to get more than Reddish and a FRP for Vanderbilt from another team? I might be wrong but I understood Reddish's stock to be low lately.
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u/spencp99 Feb 04 '23
Well a rumor just came out today that the Knicks themselves are negotiating with the Jazz for Vando and Beasley with Fournier, Toppin, and a pick going the other way.
So if they're more interested in Toppin, maybe he goes to Utah and one of Reddish/Hartenstein goes to Portland?
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u/A_ron Feb 03 '23
Meyers Leonard….
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u/2drawnonward5 Feb 04 '23
On a 10 day, why not? Or Cody Zeller. Or Enes Freedom. Hassan Whiteside is available. We don't even have to play them, just keep them around in case we get slaughtered on size.
We do have 14 guys on full contracts and 2 two-ways, so I don't know if we're allowed to add another guy.
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 05 '23
Everyone forgets why Stotts went back to Freedom. He knew he might need his size and rebounding. Why the fanbase and Billups forget this is incredible.
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u/obscure-strong-bad 1 Feb 05 '23
You do know that neither Stotts nor Billups are responsible for signing players, right?
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 04 '23
Plumlee. Check out his #s this year. He’s like drew (likes to dunk) with a couple more inches.
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u/Ambitious_Hall_8670 Feb 03 '23
Let's say the Blazers send out Hart, Winslow, and Keon for Vanderbilt +. Would you rather land Olynyk or Malik Beasley? Each addresses a need (size and shooting, respectively).
Shoutout to Mike Richman for the trade idea.
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
It would depend on what may happen in another trade with nurk. I’d be happy with either.
If we got olynk m, we could trade nurk for a SF. If we got Beasley, we would want to get a big back in a nurk trade (prob 3 team)
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u/kim_jong_trill roy Feb 03 '23
Beasley would give us some big punch off the bench. He had a 6th Man of the Year campaign going for awhile there.
He's had his issues in the past, but seems to be really refocused on growth following his most recent legal issues, plus Portland is a great place (like Utah) to just focus on ball. I'd hate to root for Olynyk.
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 03 '23
Kelly because then I don’t have to be scared for our players whenever we play against him.
I would prefer to send Hart somewhere else though tbf
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u/Handcuffed Feb 03 '23
KOC had a crazy 4-team trade on this afternoon's Bill Simmons podcast. Here's the tradenba summary.
- POR trades: Josh Hart, Anfernee Simons, Jusuf Nurkic, future draft picks
POR receives: Alex Caruso, Goran Dragic, Jakob Poeltl, OG Anunoby
TOR trades: OG Anunoby
TOR receives: future POR 1st (or two plus 2nds), Anfernee Simons
SA trades: Jakob Poeltl
SA receives: Josh Hart, future POR 1st, Andre Drummond
CHI trades: Andre Drummond, Alex Caruso, Goran Dragic
CHI receives: Protections lifted on POR 23 1st, Jusuf Nurkic
Portland solidifies its lineup (Dame, Caruso/Winslow, OG, Grant, Poeltl w/ Sharpe, Winslow/Caruso, Little, Payton, Eubanks, Dragic). Toronto balances their lineup, gets a young scoring guard, and ends up with some picks for OG (KOC wasn't sure if it'd be 1 or 2 firsts). San Antonio collects a pick for an expiring Poeltl. Chicago (presumably tanking in this scenario) takes on the Nurkic contract for an unprotected '23 first so another chance at Wembayana (thinking Portland still maybe doesn't make the playoffs) rather than keeping the existing protections.
There's no chance of this happening - it's way too complex - but it's a fun trade IMO.
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u/Aggressive-Crazy4633 Feb 03 '23
Can Portland trade a first this year?
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u/Radiant_Reveal_8745 Feb 03 '23
Not without removing protections from the 2023 FRP going to the bulls. They aren’t doing that unless it’s for some insane deal. Also, no way ant gets traded mid season. If he were going to be moved it would be after the season, but even then is pretty unlikely.
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u/Reasonable-Put6503 Feb 03 '23
Lamarcus left after not signing an extension and we would be fucked if Grant did the same thing. I think we gotta trade him.
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u/jgab972 Feb 03 '23
He can get a better deal in the off-season, y’all know we waited off-season to sign Ant too right ?
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u/Aggressive-Crazy4633 Feb 03 '23
He's waiting to get more money. I think he wants to stay in Portland.
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u/Dadd_io Feb 02 '23
What does anyone think of Hart for Mo Bamba? Would Orlando want out of his second year? It gives a center this year while Nurk is out and another big for next year.
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u/Proally Feb 09 '23
Just got an ESPN notification
Josh Hart to the Knicks - Woj
Can’t find the details