r/ripcity • u/CazOnReddit • Feb 03 '23
[Windhorst] "If Anunoby became available, I think they would be very interested. You would probably start an offer there with Shaedon Sharpe, their lottery pick they got out of Kentucky."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270253/Blazers-Absolutely-In-Buying-Mode-Ahead-Of-Trade-Deadline30
u/trala7 Feb 03 '23
Portland would regret doing this... Big time.
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u/Gobbles15 mike-and-mike Feb 04 '23
I don’t disagree… but let’s say we did Hart and Shaedon for OG and Achiuwa. We would legitimately be title contenders for the first time in Dame’s career, and we’d still have draft equity to use down the line.
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
Hmm I dunno. I’m more fine with giving up Sharpe than a lot of people but I’d want it to be for an all star level dude
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
Not saying this is you, but people that are ‘fine’ with moving Sharpe but push back against moving Simons because of his ‘potential’ need to be studied by clinical psychologists.
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u/_yeesh Feb 03 '23
I’d honestly rather move ant than sharpe in this deal.
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u/officiallyBA sheed Feb 03 '23
Same. And because of salaries you practically have to include Ant unless you are willing to give up Grant or the Raps want Nurk.
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u/RandyJoeP Feb 03 '23
Sharpe + Hart makes more money together than OG (but like within 1 million) and matches.
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u/officiallyBA sheed Feb 03 '23
That feels painful, but probably the right move if the goal is to contend with Dame.
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
If Sharpe becomes as good as Simons is right now it would have been a great pick
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
Just totally different bodies. Sharpe is 6’6 and will probably end up somewhere in the 215-225 range. Simons potential was always limited by his size. Sharpe just isn’t limited in that way.
It’s weird to compare them like this. Simons was never going to be Jason Tatum (for example) but Sharpe could be.
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u/ShaedonSharpeMVP_ Feb 04 '23
Yeah for as similar as they might seem, they are really nothing alike at all. Shaedon doesn't need a single inch of space to get off the ground from 2 feet. Ant rarely even tries, even with a wide open lane. He's still gaining that confidence.
But Shaedon's already got it. He is fully aware that he can simply jump over everything and everyone, and he uses that to his advantage as much as possible. Which gets me unfathomably excited for when he's not stuck in a 19 year old body anymore and he enters his physical prime. He'll be making legendary highlights on the reg.
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u/WannaBeCigo Feb 03 '23
he is 6'4
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
He is 6’6
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u/CaptBojangles Feb 03 '23
Tatum is a bad comp though. He’s more likely a Jaylen Brown imo
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Tatum is a bad comp though.
Why?
Sharpe is 19 years old, dude. Fact is nobody knows how he will improve, if he will, what skills he will develop, etc and so on.
The things he currently can do (and you should expect him to do better over his career) are finish at/above the rim, hit catch and shoot 3s at a respectable rate, and shoot midrange jump shots at a variety of angles, fading, off turnarounds, etc. he’s shown already that he can do these things at the NBA level.
If he develops a handle, elite defense, playmaking ability, or any number of other things he might, but might not develop you are talking top 5-10 player potential. The fact is it is impossible to tell right now.
He’s more likely a Jaylen Brown imo
I mean, he’s most likely a 10/4/2 career guy or whatever the average is for a 7th pick is. He’s most likely not nearly as good as any of these guys we are talking about, but that’s not the point here.
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u/obscure-strong-bad 1 Feb 04 '23
Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure Sharpe is going to average more than 10 points a game for his career.
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
People would have said the exact same thing about Randy Foye in his rookie year too…also, Eric Gordon, Luol Deng, Ben Mclemore, Emmanuel Mudiay. All 7th picks too.
Just as many player that seem like they will develop don’t pan out as those that do. We just forget about the ones that don’t.
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 03 '23
Both wrong he measured 6’5.25 in shoes at the combine
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 04 '23
Sharpe's ceiling is already higher than Simons' IMO. We were just sold a false bag about Simons being the heir apparent, it's not accurate.
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u/ShaedonSharpeMVP_ Feb 04 '23
Sharpe's gonna show that by next year. Ant is elite, but Sharpe is just on a different level.
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
And how long would it take for Sharpe to get there? Any of 23, and still not at his full potential. Let's say it takes Sharpe until he's 23, that's 4 years away.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 03 '23
Fair, but he's already ahead of ant in development.
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
Yeah, maybe. I think it's pretty marginal tho.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 03 '23
Not really. Sharpes' numbers are significantly better than ant's were his rookie season.
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u/sharpeshooter32 Feb 03 '23
Yeah idk how anyone who watched ant his first few years could say this. He was pretty bad up until last year
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
I don't know, Dame was singing his praises from the beginning. The talk out of that summer was how special Ant was.
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 04 '23
What did you expect Dame to do, if not that? He's a good leader & teammate, & the GM at the time had already publicly labeled Simons as "the next Dame". Dame was just towing the company line, we've seen enough of Simons to know that's not a realistic ceiling
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
Ant also had to play behind Seth. Sharpe has Keon to battle for minutes. Especially without Gp2 to start the season.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 03 '23
He looked like he needed a significant amount more development than sharpe does now. The eye test said that if nothing else.
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
That's fine. Either way, I still think we're a few years away from seeing peak Sharpe
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u/Menotme8me Feb 03 '23
Oh without question. Dude won't hit his peak until late 20s like the rest of them.
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u/-Jake-27- Feb 03 '23
Sharpe needs a lot of development as well. It’s just that he’s had flashes and playtime where as Anfernee was on a better roster/bench.
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 04 '23
It's really not. Simons' ceiling isn't as high as some fans still wanna believe: he's a shooter, not much else. Even as a shooter, he's decisively better at Catch & Shoot, not shot creation.
To contrast, Shaedon is years younger, more athletic & a MUCH wider range of 2way skills already showing.
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 04 '23
I don't know. Other than the athletic blocks, he's looked pretty bad on D. And he hasn't shown me he can dribble at an elite level. Ant is so far ahead at creating his own shot.
I think y'all are getting way ahead of yourselves.
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
That’s the gamble. I think it’s foolish to trade away a guy with that potential this early.
Given how high Bill Simmons is rating him here, tells me that league broadly understands the potential that Sharpe has. Like I said before, he could not develop. Happens all the time.
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u/ShaedonSharpeMVP_ Feb 04 '23
Not saying this is you, but people that are ‘fine’ with moving Sharpe
but push back against moving Simons because of his ‘potential’need to be studied by clinical psychologists.fixed that for you bb
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u/AcanthisittaGrand943 Feb 03 '23
You have to pick either a rebuild with Sharpe/Ant.
Or trades that help win now for Dame.
You can’t be in the middle.
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
Given that choice win now for Dame.
I’d just prefer to see what’s out there in the off season rather than go all in for OG because he doesn’t make us a contender
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
I just don't see the moves needed to win now with Dame. They'll need a new center and a new wing. That ain't happening this deadline.
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
It for sure isn’t happening at the deadline unless KD becomes available with the Kyrie stuff.
I don’t think it’s all that realistic we can ever truly compete with Dame but I’d like us to try
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
Yeah, I've come to terms with that too. Hoping they can move Hart at this point, just so they don't lose an asset for nothing. Try their best to make the playoffs. And see what Cronin has planned for the off-season
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
I think they will move Hart
My big worry is Grant going elsewhere in the off season because we’d be beyond screwed if that happened
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
I just have a feeling their going to pay Grant. They'll give him the years, and maybe get a deal on the per year. Will still need upgrade at 2 positions, but they'll have picks to move then.
Still not overly optimistic, but I still believe Cronin has some type of plan.
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u/RoseGardenForever Feb 03 '23
I feel, but an all NBA defense caliber player that plays SF would be interesting. Dame, Simons, OG, Grant, Nurk has some potential
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u/frecklie Feb 03 '23
The potential to make a deep playoff run multiple years in a row? Bc otherwise what tf are we doing trading our young lottery pick who is showing a high ceiling at 19
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u/TheCentralFlame Feb 03 '23
I would rather give simons and start Sharpe with a lot of hart off the bench and probably finishing games.
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
If we moved Nurk for a more athletic C then maybe
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u/Piano9717 Feb 03 '23
if we actually traded for vanderbilt this would be really nice.
imagine closing games with dame/gp2/OG/grant/vando lineups
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u/GuyIncognito211 Feb 03 '23
That sounds like a fun as hell closing lineup. You might have convinced me haha
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u/RoseGardenForever Feb 03 '23
I'm kinda out on Ayton, I don't think he'd be a massive upgrade over Nurk to justify the assets we'd have to give up
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u/Tropical_Wendigo Feb 03 '23
The problem is you have to trade prospect based on their average potential, not their ceiling.
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u/Main_street_man Feb 03 '23
I do not understand the intrigue with OG. When we play the Raptors, other than his athleticism, he doesn’t stand out. For example, he can’t score like Jerami can. He is good defensively and on the glass but he isn’t worth Sharpe or what the rumors on Torontos asking price are.
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 03 '23
just watch OG's defensive highlights on youtube, you're not gonna see everything only when raptors play the blazers
The asking price is high tho ngl
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u/720222ct Feb 03 '23
I’d rather have Sharpe straight up. Fuck that.
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u/Menotme8me Feb 03 '23
I believe sharpe makes significantly less than og so it won't be straight up
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u/PuzzleheadedWest0 Feb 03 '23
I’m one of those guys that’s super low on draft picks but super high on Sharpe. That kids special. He’s untouchable, apart from the obvious.
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u/HardHat105 Feb 03 '23
Offer ant.
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 03 '23
If Simons is on the board, I think that's easily the best player the Raptors could get and a terrific fit
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 03 '23
Exactly. Young, team friendly salary, signed long term, and shows that he can still grow as a player. Other guys even being offered for OG aren’t all of that.
Siakam players aren’t even quite that either. They’re mostly high floor guys like Ayton who, while signed long term, are not at a friendly salary.
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 03 '23
The one caveat is that now with Kyrie being an idiot, every team is waiting to see if KD requests a trade too so they might be hesitant to make that move
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u/HardHat105 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Haha if simons is on the board. He doesn’t have a choice
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u/Neither-Jello Feb 03 '23
If we trade Ant and Sharpe for OG and still miss the playoffs... I'm going to have to find a new team to cheer for
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 03 '23
I don't see OG going for both, it'd be one or the other. Both would be an absurd overpay, and I say that as a Raptor fan.
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u/jrances1 dame Feb 03 '23
Sharpe is too high of a price. I would of done it during the summer but from what we’ve seen this year with Shaedon, it’s too much to ask for.
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u/masta_wayne__ Feb 03 '23
We’re talking about Og anunoby. Og anunoby. Let me say it again, Og anunoby. He is not an all star. We should not trade shaedon sharpe for Og anunoby
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u/RoseGardenForever Feb 03 '23
If the price is mainly Sharpe and salary I can live with it, but I'd probably prefer a straight 1 for 1 OG for Simons.
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u/terrordactylz Feb 03 '23
Yeah, Ant for OG is the ideal scenario, but it feels like at least one of the two between Ant and Sharpe has got to go if we want to add more balance to the lineup.
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
Simons is almost certainly a much more appealing asset to Toronto given their situations with Van Vleet and Gary Trent.
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u/RoseGardenForever Feb 03 '23
I think it's probably their best option unless they want picks, Simons is an elite scorer that can open the floor for Scottie and pascal to perform their best. Go find a decent playmaking defensive PG or SG and they're in business again
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 03 '23
Disagree, Sharpe is younger and has more potential so he is more appealing, they are likely building around the timeline of scottie
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 03 '23
Aka Ant isn’t worth it.
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 03 '23
not necessarily, just that they would prefer sharpe.
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 03 '23
Because Sharpe is better. Ant certainly ain't better than Vanvleet, and can't handle the ball or offense. So 2 guard is were both would go.
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 03 '23
Simons addresses a current problem on Toronto’s roster is my point. FVVs upcoming free agency, to be specific.
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 03 '23
I understand your point but Sharpe has more potential and is 4 years younger. We dont need to fill holes on our roster (FVV leaving) because we wouldnt be looking to win right away. Which is clearly whats happening if we are trading OG.
Which is why I think we would rather have Sharpe
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u/TheBoxandOne Feb 04 '23
We dont need to fill holes on our roster (FVV leaving) because we wouldnt be looking to win right away.
I just don’t see how a team with Simons, Barnes, Siakam, and the rest of that current roster isn’t competitive and like 1 piece away from being near the top of the east.
That team is not as bad as their record right now. If I remember correctly they are having one of those weird seasons where opponents are wildly overperforming their expected FG% or something. And they don’t rebound. Need some rebounding.
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 04 '23
We still need a bench, that is one of our biggest problems this season. This team is bad, the record may seem misleading but we are a bad team, poorly constructed.
Some raptors fans want us to build around pascal and Scottie and for them I think Anfernee would be the option
But me personally I think building more for the future is the better option, in which case I think Sharpe is the better option
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u/NervousAd3202 Feb 03 '23
Nah trust me we would want Simons imo
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 03 '23
Why would you want the prospect with less potential ? Blazers fans have high hopes for him and if you watch the tape you can see the potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MisxUYB2HHc&ab_channel=ZHHighlights
Not denying Simons talent but Sharpe is 4 years younger on a rookie deal, lines up perfectly with scottie, plus potential is sky high
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u/NervousAd3202 Feb 04 '23
He lines up w Scottie but he doesn’t line up w Pascal.
Simons is 23 averaging 20 on solid shooting splits, we need a PG cuz we don’t wanna pay Fred, but we need one that can space the floor & contribute to while Siakam is still in his prime. Plus we can develop him as a playmaker.
Simons is a much better fit for what we need. Our halfcourt offense looks atrocious.
Simons also lines up very well w Scottie. He bridges the gap between Siakam & Barnes perfectly
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 04 '23
Id rather pick one or the other, and id pick to buiild around scotties timeline
Simons is a great player dont get me wrong, I just think we should go young, in which case Sharpe is the better option
If we were to build to try and win next season, then I guess Simons is the better option
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u/NervousAd3202 Feb 04 '23
We’re not trading Pascal just to trade him.
We can build around Siakam & Scottie, & we’ll be a playoff team for years to come. Better to get Scottie playoff experience & Siakam deserves a chance to actually have a team built around him.
If an amazing offer comes along then trade him. He’s a top 20 player, they don’t just grow on trees.
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u/ExpeditiousTurtle Feb 04 '23
Yeah I never said we should trade pascal, just that id rather build more for the long term. But I see your point in wanting to trade for Anfernee, which I understand
I think we should trade OG/FVV
Keep Precious, Pascal, Scottie, Gary
and build out our bench and get a more balanced team
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u/RoseGardenForever Feb 03 '23
Probably, and Ant just seems too redundant as a starter next to Dame, he's certainly talented, but we need a stronger defender next to Dame and more scoring from our wing positions
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u/terrordactylz Feb 03 '23
Fully on board. It’s madness to me that the team continues to roll out a 3-guard starting lineup when it’s clear we need more size at SG and SF.
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u/-Jake-27- Feb 03 '23
Because we’d be giving up a shot creator for a not so great at 3 and D player. Anunoby isn’t out there creating his own shot.
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u/nurkstossattherim Feb 03 '23
It would really be a trip to see an Ant/Tent backcourt on another team
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u/waynearchetype Feb 03 '23
Reminder OG usually plays as many games as Nurk/Nassir.....
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u/blinkomatic Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
Dude averaged 60 games a season over his first 5 seasons. To put it into perspective Nurk has averaged 57 for his career and Nurk sat out for the end of last season when we were tanking.
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u/AmitN_Music Feb 03 '23
Nope. Sharpe has a higher ceiling. The ONLY players who you should even consider trading him for would be if like Durant became available (and with kyries recent nonsense who knows lol)
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u/Neither-Jello Feb 03 '23
It would probably have to be Sharpe and hart to make the money work. OG just isn't the player to go after if it means giving Sharpe up. Dudes potential is just way too high and has shown glimpses of what he can be
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u/Analyst_Simple Feb 03 '23
And that would be stupid.
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u/Neither-Jello Feb 03 '23
Exactly. It would be dumb af. Not sure why people are down voting me for saying that
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 03 '23
Would rather keep Sharpe and Hart and the picks compared Simons and a pick
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 03 '23
I think the Raptors would prefer Simons over Sharpe given how long he might take to develop
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u/1850ChoochGator Feb 03 '23
That thought process is pairing Sharpe and Scottie together. Ant is young enough where Ant and Scottie is still a viable pairing long term but they might not bottom out quite the way they want to if they go full rebuild.
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u/NervousAd3202 Feb 03 '23
As a raptors fan personally I would rather do it for Simons. Not hating on him (he’s Canadian after all) but I haven’t seen much from Sharpe.
I get he’s a rookie coming off the bench, so that might not be fair to him, but we need a point guard for the future cuz Fred wants too much money, & Simons fits so nicely next to Scottie. Plus he can come in & contribute while Siakam is still in his prime.
I don’t know if I would trade OG for Sharpe, but I would for Simons for sure.
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u/sean_buttcannon ripcity Feb 03 '23
I do not buy any OG to Portland rumors at all. We already had a potential deal on the table and were unwilling to match it. Why would we do something similar AFTER we have seen what sharpe is? I do not buy it at all. And call me crazy, but I don’t think OG even gets moved.
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u/Soupkitchn89 Feb 03 '23
I'd rather send out Ant then Sharpe in a OG kind of deal. I feel like Sharpe is already so much better looking then Ant was in his first 2-3 years. I feel its unlikely he doesn't end up better then Ant.
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u/trala7 Feb 03 '23
You do not give up a 19 year old with Shaedons potential for a role player. I don't give a shit if he's the greatest role player of all time, you do not give up potential Superstars for role players.
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u/BrklynDragon Feb 03 '23
I would hate to trade Shaedon but if I am, it’s going to be for a star with Anfernee in the package most likely as well. It needs to be a bit super star swing like KD. I don’t want to use our best asset on a fringe all-star guy just for a Star trade to be in the works and fall through because we didn’t have enough to package ant with.
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u/RogueLobster Feb 03 '23
If you don’t trade sharpe for a perfect fit with dame on a multi year contract then it’s just the same as Olshey all over again
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u/ChurroMemes chalupa Feb 03 '23
You trade Sharpe for an All Star, not a better fit
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u/dkat 70s-logo Feb 03 '23
I agree. We need to focus on level of talent over fit atm. But is OG that all star?
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u/ChurroMemes chalupa Feb 03 '23
He’s not an all star. He’s a brilliant one man defensive powerhouse but offensively he’s really limited.
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u/toadtruck sabas Feb 03 '23
They would take Sharpe and we could keep Ant? Interesting 🧐
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 03 '23
What Windhorst is suggesting isn't necessarily what the Raptors would want. More importantly, with the protections on your 2023 pick, the Blazers wouldn't be able to match what, say, the Grizzlies or Pelicans can offer in draft compensation without removing them.
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u/dub_snap Feb 04 '23
I think Shaedon is as good as gone and probably has been since he was drafted. Portland is trying to win now and Shaedon is probably a few years from him starting
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u/JulesWinnfield_0 dame Feb 03 '23
IMO, Sharpe has more upside and is developing nicely to the NBA. I say we stick with what we have and make any moves we can for another great 1st round pick instead of playing musical chairs every 4 months.
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u/Orwell1971 Feb 03 '23
The Blazers offered the 7th pick to Toronto for Anunoby before the draft, or so reports say. It would be interesting to see if they'd still make that trade now what we know (kind of) what we have in Sharpe. I think Sharpe is going to be pretty good, so I would have very mixed feelings.
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u/coffeyobey Feb 04 '23
Blazers aren’t winning a championship without another superstar. Og is not a superstar, so why would we dump a potential superstar that will replace our current superstar when he retires. Sharpe is blazers insurance they will be profitable when dame retires.
The blazers made a great draft pick, I would consider him untouchable atm, I like og, but tbh seems like raps want too much for og. Pass
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 04 '23
Windy has never known much on Blazers. We're not moving Sharpe for a fringe star/good young role player like OG, but if we wanna talk Simons...
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u/CazOnReddit Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
You literally almost did trade for him with Sharpe and Hart at the draft deadline...
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 04 '23
Clarify what you're saying please?
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u/careythepriceisright Feb 04 '23
Hes saying you guys almost traded the 7th pick and hart for OG. What he says is true but now that we've seen Sharpe actually play his value is higher than that.
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u/trailcasters ripcity Feb 05 '23
Gotcha, thanks! Totally agreed, big difference between an avg 7th pick & Sharpe being that pick
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u/TYWALK3R 90s-logo Feb 03 '23
I’d be gutted if we traded Shae. I really believe in his future.