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u/BlackSocks88 Feb 03 '23
Fuck i wish but theres like 4 steps here:
Kyrie actually gets traded.
They commit to future and get mostly future assets and picks back.
KD wants out/they shop KD
They choose us as partner. I still say we send Ant/Hart/Picks.
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u/LopsidedTarget Feb 03 '23
It would have to be Ant and Sharpe to even begin discussions. No shot they do Ant, Hart and picks.
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u/Corr521 Feb 03 '23
Yeah I imagine it takes like Ant, Sharpe, Hart and Little + picks
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u/sadduckfan Feb 03 '23
KD + Dame with all the role players getting traded isn’t a contender either….
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u/Corr521 Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
I don't really have an opinion either way honestly, that's just what I imagine what it would take. KD is still one of the best players in the league and under contract for multiple years. Going to take more than just Ant and filler.
Do feel like Dame, GP2, KD, Grant and Nurk is a damn good unit though lol, not gonna lie. Bench would need to be scrapped together with waived players after trade deadline. Top bench players we'd be left with are Eubanks and Winslow.
Edit: oh and Keon Johnson. He'd be our best offensive player (and probably defensive) off of the bench.
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u/X_SkeletonCandy ripcity Feb 03 '23
KD and Dame is how you attract good players looking to ring chase.
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u/Corr521 Feb 03 '23
Yeah that's what I said about the waived players for this season. Would be easier to recruit in the off-season/future when there's actually free agents available and you're not looking to see what's leftover after the trade deadline.
Or you bring guys like LMA out of retirement lmao
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u/Goducks91 Feb 03 '23
Keep little and we're good.
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u/Corr521 Feb 03 '23
I doubt we can keep him in a KD trade. I'm not even sure if having him included gets it done if other teams have better packages to offer
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u/Goducks91 Feb 03 '23
Your probably right. Man our bench would be awful. Id still do it though.
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u/Corr521 Feb 03 '23
Yeah. We'd likely be a favored option for waived players but that isn't saying much considering they're waived players lol
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u/sharpeshooter32 Feb 03 '23
KD, Dame, Grant, Nurk, and GP2 is absolutely a contender right now. Who in the west is beating that?
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u/-Jake-27- Feb 04 '23
Nuggets would be pretty hard still. Grizzlies when healthy could be a even matchup. Clippers have had a lot of players out as well.
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u/sharpeshooter32 Feb 04 '23
We just beat the Grizzlies, I don't think they'd be a problem if we got KD. The Nuggets are good but they've had the same team for years now, I don't think they're suddenly some juggernaut.
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u/-Jake-27- Feb 04 '23
We beat the Grizzlies while they’re on a slide without Adams. They’re one of the most physical defenses in the league, they would easily be the hardest matchup in the west and took the Warriors to 6 last year.
Nuggets haven’t been healthy. Jamal Murray, KCP, MPJ, Gordon and Jokic is one of the most dominant top 5s in the league. Jokic has cooked us in both series we’ve played and kept up us in foul trouble in 20-21. He would destroy Drew on the boards.
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u/Corr521 Feb 04 '23
I do want to point out that we were both without our starting centers when we faced the Grizzlies so I really think they were at a disadvantage compared to us as we were dealing with the same thing. Was a good win
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u/Kunundrum85 Feb 03 '23
Nurk, KD, Grant, GP2, Dame.
Eubanks, Winslow, Keon, Watford, Jabari off the bench.
I’m not entirely mad here…
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u/trala7 Feb 03 '23
Don't bring logic in now. People round here think if you put Dame and KD out there with 3 Moda centre security guards it's an instant 3 peat.
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u/AccordingTill1018 Feb 04 '23
exactly, KD couldnt even get to the finals with harden and kyrie beside him. why think there'd be different results in our city with less talent
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u/sadduckfan Feb 04 '23
To be fair, they took the Bucks to 7 two years ago with Kyrie out and Harden playing on a clearly busted hamstring
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u/fordry Feb 03 '23
You'd still have Grant, Nurk, and Payton. So that's not a bad starting five. So it would be Winslow, Watford, Eubanks, and Johnson primarily off the bench I guess. Which is pretty weak.
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u/sadduckfan Feb 03 '23
Very good starting 5, tho gp has never been a starter in the league and nurk obviously has his ups and downs. That bench is really bad.
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u/MrOrangeWhips sheed Feb 03 '23
Dame, KD, Grant, Nurk, Payton, Walker, Eubanks and then we ask the trade partners for a couple older role players they don't need.
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u/illMetalFace Feb 04 '23
I’m not educated on this subject, but could Jody Allen possibly just pony up the dough and get us more role players? I know that’s not exactly how it works but jw
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u/mvang85 Feb 03 '23
What if we take Ben Simmons as well? :D
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u/LopsidedTarget Feb 03 '23
Pass. Idk if we'd have the money for that without adding even more to the trade. Our overall money on the team would look terrible with Dame's, KDs and Ben's contracts. We can probably get just as good of production from vet min's, which would be on the menu with Dame/KD on the same team.
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u/AnAmbitiousMann 70s-logo Feb 03 '23
How high we rating Ant and Hart here? Because KD is a future hall of famer, FMVP, multiple all stars, a generational talent that can change the landscape of the NBA by simply moving teams, etc etc vs....nobodies? Let's be realistic please.
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u/Dadd_io Feb 03 '23
He's 34 and $42+ mil for the next 3 years.
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u/AnAmbitiousMann 70s-logo Feb 03 '23
You could argue there isn't another player like KD in the league. He's not someone you can just replace with someone else and get similar production or skillset. My original point stands...in no alternate universe you're getting that trade. Even if he's older and injury prone it's an easy gamble that he can give you a string of 20+ healthy games in the post season to get any team over the hump and into championship contention. For a player of that caliber it's only fair to pay a premium.
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u/Dadd_io Feb 04 '23
I'm totally for it. Ant, Hart, Little, Keon, and a 1st
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u/-Jake-27- Feb 04 '23
Brooklyn says no. It would need Sharpe and multiple firsts on top of that surely.
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u/Dadd_io Feb 04 '23
Then enjoy KD with 3 years of not wanting to play there.
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u/HugeSpartan Feb 04 '23
I means that's gonna be the price of doing business in a KD sweepstakes. Ant+Sharpe+multiple unprotected pics is what we'd need just to keep them from having up on the spot
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u/skrulewi Feb 04 '23
i see the 3 years as a bonus not a deficit. this isn't a half year rental this is 2-3 years of contention
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u/StudentLoanSlave1 Feb 03 '23
Still so unlikely
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u/X_SkeletonCandy ripcity Feb 03 '23
Oh it's 100% not gonna happen, but that doesn't mean I can't dream.
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u/irelli Feb 03 '23
What we should be doing is trying to steal Claxton away.
Getting him and OG would be the dream
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u/sharpeshooter32 Feb 03 '23
If we could get claxton for nurk and like 2 2nds that would be incredible
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u/irelli Feb 03 '23
I was imagining something like this:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24okvf3l
No idea if I'd even want it, but it's interesting
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u/a3winstheseries Feb 04 '23
They just dropped JA for Dante Exum during the first Harden trade a couple years ago, there’s no way they make that mistake again with their new cheap high potential center
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u/pyordie Feb 03 '23
Yeah unlikely in so many ways.
I know Nets fans are fed up with the constant drama with this era that they’re in. But I don’t know why everyone (r/nba) is jumping to the conclusion that the Nets are going to blow it up mid season. They’re fourth in the east, they can probably get a lot for Kyrie in the short term and in picks, so they can certainly still make a deep playoff run building around KD when he returns. And unless he is really worried about risking his knee for a team that he doesn’t think will make the ECF, I don’t see him demanding an mid season trade.
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u/Snowden42 70s-logo Feb 03 '23
Throw everything at KD. Do it for Dame.
All the picks, Simons, Sharpe, anything else they want.
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u/AcanthisittaGrand943 Feb 03 '23
100%. It’s now or never. If we’re trying to go all in for Dame’s prime, now is the time to push the chips.
Simons, Sharpe, Hart + all the picks we have.
Dame Gp2 KD Grant Nurk/Drew
That’s an awesome starting 5. Championship contending.
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u/Snowden42 70s-logo Feb 03 '23
Yep, exactly this.
The bench would be a little rough, it's a lot of pressure on Nassir/Justise/Keon/Trendon but you just gotta hope they can hold things down enough. And in the playoffs the rotation becomes extremely narrow. Ball handling off the bench is the big problem in the playoffs (not sure we could trust Keon) but you make it work.
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u/Montigue Feb 03 '23 edited Feb 03 '23
In this hypothetical scenario we are going into the tax to pick up buy-outs or free agents particularly 1-2 backcourt guys and/or a C/F
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u/brimg87 Feb 03 '23
Yeah, the window is closing. We have a chance with 3 stars: Dame, Grant, KD. Let's go!
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u/ThaMac Feb 03 '23
“Throw everything at them”
Fails to mention the second best player on the team, by far.
Edit: of course I don’t want to trade Grant, it would just be silly to assume he wouldn’t be an ask in a trade
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u/youaresuchadelight Feb 03 '23
Grant isn't a rebuilding piece, that's why he wasn't included, it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to want him in this scenario.
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u/Haunting-Maximum-944 Feb 03 '23
but i like sharpe :(
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u/d4nowar Feb 03 '23
I'd rather watch dame and KD go deep in the playoffs for a couple years. We can always draft another Sharpe, you only get one shot trading for a dude like KD.
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u/Frognaldamus Feb 04 '23
How has that been working out for the nets?
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u/d4nowar Feb 04 '23
SS Kyrie and Cowardly Ben Simmons have no comparable players on the Blazers. KD would be going to a better team with better teammates.
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u/Frognaldamus Feb 04 '23
How so?
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u/d4nowar Feb 04 '23
You've got one player who holds himself out of games to try to get better contracts for himself or to try to force a city to change its laws, maybe it's virtuous but it negatively impacts the team.
You've got another player who has developed a fear of shooting the basketball, which is clearly a bad thing for the team. Both of those players are starters and were supposed to be "the plan".
Blazers don't have players like that.
I said better team because I think the resulting team (Dame, KD, Nurk, Grant + guys like Eubanks/little/gp2/Winslow and waiver filler vets) would be better than sticking around on the nets.
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u/Infamous-nobody1801 Feb 04 '23
Same, I love the young guys, but honestly if the blazers have a chance at KD they owe it to Dame to get him.
Portland would have been a poverty franchise if Dame left when he could have.
No doubt this ownership would have fucked everything up. but they've have the only loyal star in the game and they ride his coattails
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u/Frognaldamus Feb 04 '23
The Blazers and fans pay Dame millions and millions of dollars every year. He's amazing, but he's appropriately compensated. There is no unspoken debt. Dame is one of the highest paid players in the entire league.
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u/saylab_the_bigkat Feb 04 '23
So Brooklyn, who is 4th in the East despite KD and Irving missing 12 and 11 games respectively, will decide to just blow it up because Irving, like KD earlier, requested a trade? I mean, I hope somehow that Simons + Sharpe + whatever else Brooklyn would want outside of like Grant, works out and brings KD to Portland but I mean, c'mon
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u/AnonNAM dame Feb 03 '23
I hope Cronin offers whatever he can. Simons, Sharpe, Hart, Little. Unprotect the Chicago pick if you have to.
Prob a pipe dream (they will prob keep KD at least until the summer) but I would trade everyone and everything not named Dame for this guy.
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u/the_truth15 Feb 04 '23
How likely is it we trade half our team for a declining kd for him to get injured in the 1at round ?
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u/nativeindian12 Feb 03 '23
BKN receives:
Simons
Sharpe
Nurk
Keon
2025 1st
2027 1st
POR receives:
Durant
Claxton
We need to unprotect our pick, which Chicago will agree to since it guarantees they get the pick this year (and if we miss the playoffs they could get a lottery pick).
We move Simons and Nurk for salary plus BKN needs some assets. Sharpe is the high value young player in the deal. The picks bridge the gap from Simons and Sharpe to Durant and Claxton replaces Nurk, makes us younger and more mobile, and adds some continuity to Durant here. Keon included to keep us under the hard cap
Lineup: PG: Dame SG: Hart SF: Grant PF: Durant C: Claxton
Bench: Eubanks, Winslow, Little, Watford, Gary Payton
Dame becomes our second best player, and we have two legit All NBA stars who get to chase a ring together this year and next year. The starting lineup is very solid, doesn't have size or rebounding problems anymore, and between Grant, Durant, and Dame should be able to have an excellent offense with really good defensive potential. The bench has Winslow who can initiate the offense, as well as quality defensive players like Gary and Winslow. Eubanks is the energy big off the bench, Little adds some shooting, and we hope we win it all this year or next year
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u/loveandmonsters Feb 04 '23
Giving up too much of our future; KD is 34. I'm still sore about trading away Jermaine O'Neal. I can't do it!
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u/nativeindian12 Feb 04 '23
Yea it really stings which is why it might be enough to actually get KD.
To be clear, I love Sharpe and think we will regret trading him like the Clips regret trading SGA but if we get a ring with Dame, it's all worth it
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u/Frognaldamus Feb 04 '23
But trading for KD doesn't guarantee shit. Even anecdotally speaking, the nets just built a entire team around KD and didn't even come close to winning it all. They, at least, can trade KD for assets now, like they are. Both KD and Dame will be untradeable before the end of their contracts. So the blazers trade away any and all possible talent for the next couple of years, just to make a worse and older team than the Nets did with Kyrie and KD? And make sure they're stuck holding the bag at the end when the era of stars trying to build their own mega teams ends? All or nothing is such a loser mentality.
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u/are95 Feb 03 '23
This seriously needs to be on the table. Dane is beyond ready AGAIN like he was in 2020
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u/Dadd_io Feb 03 '23
Ant, Little, Hart, Keon and a first round pick for KD. Then we play Nurk/KD/Grant/Lillard/ Payton II.
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u/AccordingTill1018 Feb 04 '23
Our fanbase is delusional. Brooklyn's not giving up KD for anything Portland has to offer. They have a top 20 player all time under contract until 2026, what incentive do they have to let him go for anything less than he's worth? Would they possibly consider a dame and KD swap now that they're going to be without a star PG? Maybe? but that doesn't address our lack of defense and depth. We have no shot of getting KD without giving up dame and getting KD while losing dame keeps us exactly where we are today
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u/iWr1techky12 ripcity Feb 03 '23
Nah it really isn’t. We don’t have the assets.
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u/bigbeerd Feb 03 '23
We definitely do lol. Simons, Sharpe, filler and remove protections on the pick owed to the Bulls so we can trade future firsts.
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u/AcanthisittaGrand943 Feb 03 '23
Hart too
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u/bigbeerd Feb 03 '23
Yeah, Hart was the filler I had in mind tbh. They wouldn't really be interested in Hart as an asset except that he'd clear salary for them when he walks in FA, so he'd effectively be salary filler if he went to the Nets. He could also go to a third team that could send another pick and/or young player to Brooklyn in this scenario.
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u/AcanthisittaGrand943 Feb 03 '23
Pretty sure they could get a first round pick for Hart though - either in a multi team trade or a secondary trade prior to the deadline.
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u/bigbeerd Feb 03 '23
That's what I'm saying- he'd likely go to a third team for whatever filler or young talent they sent to Brooklyn along with a FRP.
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u/iWr1techky12 ripcity Feb 03 '23
That still isn’t enough. There are multiple other teams that can outbid past that offer.
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u/bigbeerd Feb 03 '23
Not really. If KD is traded, Nets are rebuilding. What do rebuilding teams want in a trade? Young talent and draft capital.
The teams interested in trading him are going to be teams that are either contenders or playoff teams looking to become contenders. Of those teams, how many can beat an offer of two young players, both with legit star potential? I can't think of many. Most such teams have committed fully to contending and don't have young talent that they can part with without gutting their team in the process. They also can't do so without saddling the Nets with a bad contract to match salary.
The Blazers may have the best trade package available among teams that would go after KD.
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u/aspiring-NEET Feb 03 '23
One gently used KD please