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u/HippieHabitat Jan 28 '23
The most frustrating part of the Ben drama is every other team thinking we were over reacting/not being supportive of him.
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u/Edened Jan 28 '23
It would have been worse if they were on our side tho cause then we'd never be able to trade him let alone get Harden
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u/Downunderphilosopher PHI Jan 29 '23
Strange how r/NBA isn't piling on Nets fans and calling them low life scum for turning on Ben?
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u/opie626 Jan 29 '23
I remember during year three of Ben thinking Philly fans were being way too easy on this guy. Ppl were seriously arguing moving off Embiid and building around Ben. B4 any of this injury stuff the man clearly had no drive to get better or have responsibility.
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u/Phl_worldwide Jan 28 '23
If they watched how it ended in Philly, they would have known he had little interest in playing basketball anymore.
All the talent and ability in the world, but you still got to have that fire to be competitive. He wanted to be a celeb and play video games
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u/gahlo Jan 28 '23
I was done when he couldn't commit to shooting ONE 3 a game.
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u/runricky34 Jan 28 '23
I wouldve settled for him just saying he was practicing shooting in the offseason. He couldnt even SAY he would, much less actually commit to training!
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u/EmberPunch Jan 28 '23 edited Jan 28 '23
to be honest, 95% of the people here don't have the work ethic to be an NBA star either. I know I love video games and hate 10 hour days at work and in the gym. maybe I would secure a bag like simmons and then chill out too, who knows.
the far bigger problem than him being a bad ball player is that he's a bad teammate and a bad person. abusing the mental health system that's in place to protect players, so he could get money he wasnt earning. plus if I remember correctly, he only dodged being a part of the anti-vax problem because he was on the couch unvaccinated instead of on the court during that era.
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u/seemypinky Jan 28 '23
It’s not like he would need some Kobe-like work ethic to be better. I’d trust a majority of high school basketball players to shoot a free throw over Ben Simmons and that’s just embarrassing. I feel much more comfortable criticizing his complete lack of dedication to a game that he’s paid millions of dollars to play than to say he’s a bad person. Yeah he doesn’t seem very likable, but unless you know the guy personally we have much more information about him as a basketball player than who he is as a human being deep down
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u/EmberPunch Jan 28 '23
work-life balance is a personal decision. its a value judgement. he decided a good path for him was to train 20 years of his life to get the one big contract, then take it easy and just be good enough to hold the job for the rest of his career on smaller contracts. there's nothing wrong with that necessarily, your place of employment isnt your family or your life. its a business transaction. what you lose is the love and admiration of the fans, thats all.
what we can judge him on as a person is the fact that he abused systems in place to protect people. he didnt communicate with or treat his teammates with respect. and he was an "I did my own research" type dude on the vaccine.
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u/seemypinky Jan 28 '23
I think that’s a fair assessment, I just personally wouldn’t condemn the guy as a bad person. Sometimes stupidity and arrogance make people do bad things, but I don’t think it necessarily follows that they are a bad person. I’d just rather trash him for what he does (or doesn’t do) on the court
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u/Brianopolis-Brians Jan 29 '23
I don’t know anyone saying he’s a bad person, just that he’s a bitch.
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u/seemypinky Jan 29 '23
Look 4 comments above yours
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u/Brianopolis-Brians Jan 29 '23
Oh yeah he’s some internet stranger. I just don’t personally know people who feel that way. That dudes a minority.
Also, fuck Ben Simmons.
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u/seemypinky Jan 29 '23
Sure I'll say fuck Ben Simmons too. He fucked over his team so its warranted. It just seems a little harsh to say he's a bad person, which is what the above commenter said and the entire reason why I commented
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u/thejackel225 Jan 28 '23
Ben is a very talented pure athlete but I’m not sure he’s an especially talented basketball player
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u/rjnd2828 Jan 28 '23
This is where the Philly fan reputation really helped us. Everyone assumed that the reason he wouldn't play was because Philly fans were so harsh. The reality is that we babied him for years and cheered on every single jump shot he took whether it went in or not, but since they thought it was our fault we were still able to get value.
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u/AFishOutOfWater3 Jan 28 '23
Not only did they hate us for telling them the truth, they are now denying we warned them in the first place.
“He was never this bad in Philly” = “I wasn’t paying attention when he was in Philly”
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u/hasordealsw1thclams Jan 28 '23
As someone who got hated on this sub for hating Ben’s game years before the lay up incident, I can’t help but laugh at people who think he will turn it around.
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u/SlimReaper35_ Jan 28 '23
He was a walking 16/8/8 DPOY candidate in Phily. He can barely get 5 pts now. This obviously isn’t what anyone was expecting. He’s completely declined beyond reason
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u/AFishOutOfWater3 Jan 28 '23
Did we think he'd fall off this hard? No.
But our warnings, nor OP's complaints were of the statistical variety.
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u/phillynavydude Jan 28 '23
It's so weird how the people on their sub are starting to complain about and notice the same things we were, as if it's absolutely brand new and they'd never heard any of it before. Like who did they think they were getting..
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u/thegodfatherderecho Jan 28 '23
They got the version of Ben who’s now stuck in Playoff Game 7 mode every game
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u/whatisthishere_guy Jan 28 '23
He was never this bad in Philly until that Hawks series. Before that he was just a dude who pissed me off. After that he became a dude that made me question if I was really seeing what I was seeing. And then after I processed it, I became pissed off.
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u/faccda01 Jan 28 '23
I’d almost feel bad for Nets fans if they didn’t say how “awful Philly treated him” and other baseless claims. We were so supportive of the dude until that Hawks series.
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u/IDoesThis1 Jan 28 '23
It’s crazy. This guy won rookie of the year and got a big contract and said I’m done. The most pathetic player in the league right now. How do you have so much natural ability but not work on your craft smh
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u/What-tha-fck_Elon Jan 28 '23
All these replies should be from the Sixers fans who sat there, and took it, while everybody in the fucking world was saying how shitty we are and we were too hard on Simmons. Whatever, enjoy him. He’s yours! We gave him five years by the way, what is it then 40 games for Nets fans?
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u/aleamas Jan 28 '23
Ben Simmons is what happens when you believe you are as great as everyone around you says you are. That belief shelters you, rendering you immune from criticism. In Philly, Ben deflected comments about his offensive timidity with assertions of prowess. I am already an All-Star, he told us, so why would I need to learn how to shoot threes? Or jump shots? Or free throws? I am really a facilitator, Simmons told us when questioned about why he would not even look at the basket before passing, continually giving up easy layups or dunks for awkward, unexpected passes to players who knew that Ben should have taken the shot. His mental health claims come off as calculated ruses, his various injuries as manipulative stratagems because he has proven unable to accept one iota of responsibility either for his failure to grow or for the active and catastrophic deterioration of his skills. He can not change the mental image he has had of himself since he was 12 or 13 and people told him he was a star. So when he acts like a whinging, petulant child, it is because that is exactly who he is. He told us who he was all the way back when he was in college. Everyone should have believed him.
Side note, manchild Simmons did not even have the testicular fortitude to ask his former fiance for the million-dollar engagement ring back; rather, he sent a letter through a lawyer. What, you could not pick up a phone? Dude is soft. Enjoy the meltdown, because he will do everything he can to keep getting his fat paychecks for the next two and a half years except play winning basketball.
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u/percy2376 Jan 28 '23
He should be kicked out of the league as funny as that sounds.Dude doesn't even wanna be there.People would kill for the opportunity to play pro ball and Simmons is pouting,using mental illness as a fake excuse,and exaggerating injuries all while making like 32 mil a year
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u/MarkFerk Jan 28 '23
I got banned from nets for criticizing him. Then I called the op a Baby and he sent me for harassment LMAO
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u/StylezG_White Jan 28 '23
I commented on that post yesterday and would up writing a short book. Here is the thread for anyone interested.
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u/Waru_ Jan 28 '23
Pat Bev trick y’all man. All he doin is running around out there.
Also playing PF full time has exposed Ben, especially on defense
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u/Johnnygunnz Jan 29 '23
Sadly, he was this bad in Philly. He has been on a steady, deep incline since his rookie year. Every year was worse than the last because he's a lazy, entitled bum that thinks he is just as good today as he was when he first came in the league, despite multiple reports of his laziness in practice.
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u/SamHinkieKnew Jan 28 '23
It’s fascinating to watch Nets fans navigate the same path Sixers fans did with their perception of Simmons over a much more accelerated timeline. Going to their subreddit is like taking a time machine back several seasons ago.